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Re: about taskmanager

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

    Hi where do you get this program from?

And is it free and easy to install?

One last thing what do you need to do when you install it and use it?

One last thing what do you all need to do to use the program and set it up?




On 2/11/2018 6:40 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Nobody simply said the program doesn't work. Everybody who said it didn't work, mentioned that it doesn't work with NVDA. My message was the first one in this thread to say that it doesn't work and I specifically mentioned NVDA. I quote from my original message:

"Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all."


Kind regards


Christo


 

On 2018/02/11 1:42 PM, Dennis L wrote:
I wasn't trying to bring other screen readers into it.  However you said the program didn't work.  That is simply not true.  it's a NVDA issue clearly.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

Yes you are correct – If I switch to Jaws the list of processes become readable.

When I switch back to NVDA all I hear is Pane when I try to navigate to the same window.

Slightly odd.

David Griffith.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Dennis L
Sent: 11 February 2018 10:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

the program works fine with Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 



-- 

Casey


Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

Adriani Botez
 

You could try to scan your system with malware bytes. I had some similar problems which have been solved after scanning and deleting the corrupted files as shown in malware bytes.

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Gene
Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Februar 2018 16:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

 

I'm not sure how likely this is, but if it might be undetected malware, that would be of concern.  But for all we know, it's some sort of corruption of something.  You might want to investigate the malware possibility by signing up with bleeping computer and having the geeks who hang out on the site help you run various detection programs.  Even that wouldn't rule out the possibility but it would be a more thorough detection protocol than most people do.  You may need sighted help to do some of the things they will want you to do. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:20 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

 

However, one issue is that it may well be a symptom of a more serious
problem. I'd feel very irked at such a weird situation and simply have to
find a reason.
 The other day I had to remove the dreaded Avast from a system which had
acquired it via a ccleaner download, and although it seems to have worked
well, now when certain programs are run, the computer actually restarts
itself. Numerous tests suggest all is as it was and even bring it back to
before installation of avast  makes it do the same thing.Luckily these
pieces of software are system tools by third parties so not really an issue
most of the time, but it does make one realise how many weird ways there are
to run-in a perfectly working system.

Short of a complete re install of everything there is probably no way to fix
it as it is the diagnostic tools that cause the crashes.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


I'm sorry you are spending so much time trying to solve the problem.  I
think that, rather than continuing to try to solve it, it makes much more
sense to open the program without NVDA running, then just leave it opened.

Of course, it's up to you how much time you want to spend solving what is a
minor annoyance, I wouldn't have spent much time on it at all, myself.
There are some problems that, in my opinion, aren't worth spending time
trying to solve when there is an easy work around.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Dear All,

Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have
made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my
Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has
been tried--all without success:

1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the
NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs.
2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I
noticed the problem.
3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process.

Warmly,
Ralph






Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

Gene
 

I'm not sure how likely this is, but if it might be undetected malware, that would be of concern.  But for all we know, it's some sort of corruption of something.  You might want to investigate the malware possibility by signing up with bleeping computer and having the geeks who hang out on the site help you run various detection programs.  Even that wouldn't rule out the possibility but it would be a more thorough detection protocol than most people do.  You may need sighted help to do some of the things they will want you to do. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

However, one issue is that it may well be a symptom of a more serious
problem. I'd feel very irked at such a weird situation and simply have to
find a reason.
 The other day I had to remove the dreaded Avast from a system which had
acquired it via a ccleaner download, and although it seems to have worked
well, now when certain programs are run, the computer actually restarts
itself. Numerous tests suggest all is as it was and even bring it back to
before installation of avast  makes it do the same thing.Luckily these
pieces of software are system tools by third parties so not really an issue
most of the time, but it does make one realise how many weird ways there are
to run-in a perfectly working system.

Short of a complete re install of everything there is probably no way to fix
it as it is the diagnostic tools that cause the crashes.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


I'm sorry you are spending so much time trying to solve the problem.  I
think that, rather than continuing to try to solve it, it makes much more
sense to open the program without NVDA running, then just leave it opened.

Of course, it's up to you how much time you want to spend solving what is a
minor annoyance, I wouldn't have spent much time on it at all, myself.
There are some problems that, in my opinion, aren't worth spending time
trying to solve when there is an easy work around.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Dear All,

Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have
made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my
Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has
been tried--all without success:

1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the
NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs.
2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I
noticed the problem.
3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process.

Warmly,
Ralph







Re: Google drive again

 

hi brian.
do you mean that google drive can be used on xp again?
i did not test it until now, but in many different programs, i recieve
the error which you mentioned.

'if you were in the middle of something' the application that you worked on it,
i dont remember the rest of error completely.
but i recieve this error very often!
do you mean that this is an error special for windows xp?
do users of other windows recieve this error?
etc.
God bless you all.

On 2/10/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Strangely this morning Google drive has come back to xp again, using the old

google drive software, not the new one which crashes with that wonderful
'if you were in the middle of something' error so beloved of xp users!

Brian

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Re: conflict with apps using the NVDA key

Adriani Botez
 

Hello Didier,

you could set a configuration profile for those apps which triggers only when you come across them. In that profile, you could disable "use capslock key as NVDA key" in keyboard settings. It should work.


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von
Didier Colle
Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Februar 2018 15:21
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] conflict with apps using the NVDA key

Hi all,


I am pretty happy running emacspeak in a linux gentoo system as a virtualbox
guest on my windows system.

I run the X version launched by the cygwin startxwin command as follows:
"startxwin `which ssh` -XY dcolle@localhost emacs -- -multiwindow"

This has the advantage that I am not bothered with the lag while typing in the
cygwin shell, good clipboard integration between both environments, and I
am not bothered with the virtualbox guest modifier keys.

That works great in combination with NVDA for the host environment.


Until now I have been using the windows host for webbrowsing and pdf file
reading. Now I want to try this in the gentoo vbox environment (that recently
there have been problems with firefox is no coincidence; even ff58 does not
run always flawlessly).

My intention is to launch firefox or evince from the cmd-line in the emacspeak
environment; to make them accessible I would need the orca screen reader.

Orca uses caps-lock as modifier in laptop layout (and insert in desktop
layout): the same modifier keys as NVDA is using.


I guess that will not work nicely together. (I have still to experiment).

Thus my general question: how to deal with apps using themself modifier
keys identical to those used by NVDA? Is it possible to avoid NVDA
consuming such key combinations while in certain apps?


Thanks a lot and kind regards,


Didier



conflict with apps using the NVDA key

Didier Colle
 

Hi all,


I am pretty happy running emacspeak in a linux gentoo system as a virtualbox guest on my windows system.

I run the X version launched by the cygwin startxwin command as follows: "startxwin `which ssh` -XY dcolle@localhost emacs -- -multiwindow"

This has the advantage that I am not bothered with the lag while typing in the cygwin shell, good clipboard integration between both environments, and I am not bothered with the virtualbox guest modifier keys.

That works great in combination with NVDA for the host environment.


Until now I have been using the windows host for webbrowsing and pdf file reading. Now I want to try this in the gentoo vbox environment (that recently there have been problems with firefox is no coincidence; even ff58 does not run always flawlessly).

My intention is to launch firefox or evince from the cmd-line in the emacspeak environment; to make them accessible I would need the orca screen reader.

Orca uses caps-lock as modifier in laptop layout (and insert in desktop layout): the same modifier keys as NVDA is using.


I guess that will not work nicely together. (I have still to experiment).

Thus my general question: how to deal with apps using themself modifier keys identical to those used by NVDA? Is it possible to avoid NVDA consuming such key combinations while in certain apps?


Thanks a lot and kind regards,


Didier


Re: about taskmanager

Christo de Klerk
 

Nobody simply said the program doesn't work. Everybody who said it didn't work, mentioned that it doesn't work with NVDA. My message was the first one in this thread to say that it doesn't work and I specifically mentioned NVDA. I quote from my original message:

"Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all."


Kind regards


Christo


 

On 2018/02/11 1:42 PM, Dennis L wrote:
I wasn't trying to bring other screen readers into it.  However you said the program didn't work.  That is simply not true.  it's a NVDA issue clearly.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

Yes you are correct – If I switch to Jaws the list of processes become readable.

When I switch back to NVDA all I hear is Pane when I try to navigate to the same window.

Slightly odd.

David Griffith.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Dennis L
Sent: 11 February 2018 10:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

the program works fine with Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 



Nvda goes silent the sequal

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I was just browsing the system tray while back up was doing its thing this morning when I encountered the nvda going away issue. This is windows 7 pro, with the latest master snap actually running as an installed copy. Now if you hate repitition, read no further as I'm about to post a very boring log fragment.
Eventually explorer, which had stopped, came back but still would not respond, so I did a terminate and reboot manually blind as it were. It looks to me from this, that sometime during a back up, Explorer went away, leaving nvda frozen. This seemed to be around the time I was pressing the app key to see if I could bring up backup or some indication it might be almost done.
Anyway, enough waffle. for those interested. here is the log. The interesting thing is that as far as I can see no other keys were registered by nvda, but clearly I was pressing them to reboot nvda. At which point explorer rebooted is anyones guess, likewise why it went away in the first place.
I doubt anything can be done on such sparse info, but it does demonstrate that odd things do occur, and trying to make them happen to order is almost impossible.

Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - speech.speak (11:25:35.651):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'NotificationChevron button']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:36.125):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
IO - speech.speak (11:25:36.161):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'User Promoted Notification Area tool bar']
IO - speech.speak (11:25:36.180):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Safely Remove Hardware and Eject Media button 1 of 8']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:36.983):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
IO - speech.speak (11:25:37.045):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Backup in progress button 2 of 8']
IO - speech.speak (11:25:38.016):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Backup in progress tool tip']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:42.437):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (11:25:42.464):
application explorer closed
IO - speech.speak (11:25:42.493):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Speakers: 99% button 3 of 8']
IO - speech.speak (11:25:43.479):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Speakers: 99% tool tip']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:44.773):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
IO - speech.speak (11:25:44.838):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Backup in progress button 2 of 8']
IO - speech.speak (11:25:45.808):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Backup in progress tool tip']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:45.982):
Input: kb(desktop):applications
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (11:25:46.654):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 473, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 444, in Notify
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 147, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 160, in doPreGainFocus
File "api.pyc", line 107, in setFocusObject
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1546, in _get_container
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 940, in findGroupboxObject
File "winUser.pyc", line 474, in getPreviousWindow

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (11:26:01.655):
Core frozen in stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 473, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 444, in Notify
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 147, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 160, in doPreGainFocus
File "api.pyc", line 107, in setFocusObject
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1546, in _get_container
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 940, in findGroupboxObject
File "winUser.pyc", line 474, in getPreviousWindow

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (11:26:16.657):
Core frozen in stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 473, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 444, in Notify
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 147, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 160, in doPreGainFocus
File "api.pyc", line 107, in setFocusObject
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1546, in _get_container
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 940, in findGroupboxObject
File "winUser.pyc", line 474, in getPreviousWindow

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (11:26:31.657):
Core frozen in stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 473, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 444, in Notify
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 147, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 160, in doPreGainFocus
File "api.pyc", line 107, in setFocusObject
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1546, in _get_container
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 940, in findGroupboxObject
File "winUser.pyc", line 474, in getPreviousWindow

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (11:26:46.658):
Core frozen in stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 473, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 444, in Notify
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 147, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 160, in doPreGainFocus
File "api.pyc", line 107, in setFocusObject
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1546, in _get_container
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 940, in findGroupboxObject
File "winUser.pyc", line 474, in getPreviousWindow

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (11:27:01.709):
Core frozen in stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 473, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 444, in Notify
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 147, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 160, in doPreGainFocus
File "api.pyc", line 107, in setFocusObject
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1546, in _get_container
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 940, in findGroupboxObject
File "winUser.pyc", line 474, in getPreviousWindow

That is the way it ended as I'd used a batch file to forciby close the old copy and after a timeout and it not working with nvda /q, it did it brute force wise and rebooted nvda again on a new log of course.

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Re: about taskmanager

Dennis L
 


I wasn't trying to bring other screen readers into it.  However you said the program didn't work.  That is simply not true.  it's a NVDA issue clearly.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

Yes you are correct – If I switch to Jaws the list of processes become readable.

When I switch back to NVDA all I hear is Pane when I try to navigate to the same window.

Slightly odd.

David Griffith.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Dennis L
Sent: 11 February 2018 10:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

the program works fine with Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: about taskmanager

David Griffith
 

Yes you are correct – If I switch to Jaws the list of processes become readable.

When I switch back to NVDA all I hear is Pane when I try to navigate to the same window.

Slightly odd.

David Griffith.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Dennis L
Sent: 11 February 2018 10:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

the program works fine with Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: about taskmanager

Dennis L
 


the program works fine with Jaws.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 


Re: about taskmanager

David Griffith
 

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 


Re: about taskmanager

Christo de Klerk
 

If by the add-on you mean the Windows 10 App Essentials add-on, then yes to both questions. Not just the most updated Windows and add-on, but also the latest NVDA master snapshot. With all that going, Process Explorer is unusable with NVDA. You can try it for yourself.

Regards

Christo

On 2018/02/11 10:23 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
You sure about that? Older versions were a bit of a mess, but I've been told they fixed it as long as you have the latest version of windows and the add on.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all.

Regards

Christo


On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.




On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hi everyone.


I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi,

It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.

Cheers,

Joseph


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.


David Griffith




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http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts


From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix


P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter











Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

Hi,

Part of this has to do with changes to searchui.exe on newer Windows 10 builds.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

The win10 app essentials add-on use to do this once upon a time, but no longer does for some time now, such a losss having to hear the nvda voice under Cortana some what spoils the experience

 

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

Really I'd have settled for the other way around... grin.

I'm not sure this is possible automatically unless there is a specific

program which runs when it speaks, in which case one can use  profiles.

However if you want navigation on that dialogue to be spoken, I do not see

how you can silence nvda and still keep the  screenreader functions other

than manually by hitting control.

Brian

 

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Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:02 PM

Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

 

I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to

do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

 

Mel

 

 

 

 


Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

Chris
 

The win10 app essentials add-on use to do this once upon a time, but no longer does for some time now, such a losss having to hear the nvda voice under Cortana some what spoils the experience

 

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

Really I'd have settled for the other way around... grin.

I'm not sure this is possible automatically unless there is a specific

program which runs when it speaks, in which case one can use  profiles.

However if you want navigation on that dialogue to be spoken, I do not see

how you can silence nvda and still keep the  screenreader functions other

than manually by hitting control.

Brian

 

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Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:02 PM

Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

 

I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to

do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

 

Mel

 

 

 

 


Re: about taskmanager

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You sure about that? Older versions were a bit of a mess, but I've been told they fixed it as long as you have the latest version of windows and the add on.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all.

Regards

Christo


On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.




On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hi everyone.


I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi,

It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.

Cheers,

Joseph


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.


David Griffith




My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts


From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix


P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter









Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

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And alexa and hey google are miles ahead of Siri so that leaves her as a bit of a lame duck.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?


I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many places around the world, and also time around the world, and that is just a start LOL!
Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck and neck LOL!
Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL!
If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and questions for her LOL!
David Moore
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From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive as SIRI.


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel


Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

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However, one issue is that it may well be a symptom of a more serious problem. I'd feel very irked at such a weird situation and simply have to find a reason.
The other day I had to remove the dreaded Avast from a system which had acquired it via a ccleaner download, and although it seems to have worked well, now when certain programs are run, the computer actually restarts itself. Numerous tests suggest all is as it was and even bring it back to before installation of avast makes it do the same thing.Luckily these pieces of software are system tools by third parties so not really an issue most of the time, but it does make one realise how many weird ways there are to run-in a perfectly working system.

Short of a complete re install of everything there is probably no way to fix it as it is the diagnostic tools that cause the crashes.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


I'm sorry you are spending so much time trying to solve the problem. I think that, rather than continuing to try to solve it, it makes much more sense to open the program without NVDA running, then just leave it opened.

Of course, it's up to you how much time you want to spend solving what is a minor annoyance, I wouldn't have spent much time on it at all, myself. There are some problems that, in my opinion, aren't worth spending time trying to solve when there is an easy work around.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Dear All,

Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have
made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my
Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has
been tried--all without success:

1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the
NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs.
2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I
noticed the problem.
3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process.

Warmly,
Ralph


Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

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I got the impression he wanted it to do it automatically which would be unwise even if it were possible.
Having been subjected to this person blithering on from a friends machine I'd settle for the inverse idea!
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?


Yes!
Press Insert+S to cycle through speech off, speech with beeps, and speech on. Each time you press S, You keep cycling through.
So, just press Insert+S to turn the NVDA’s speech off so you can listen to Cortana. That is how I do it! You can also use the Caps lock if you have that modifier key enabled.
David Moore
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From: mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel


Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

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Have you tried disabling the anti virus system?
I'm just trying to think of another approach. This does seem to be a very weird thing, as asking around the only Outlook related issues I hear about are crashes when moving to other folders sometimes, not failure to start at all.

I'm assuming this cannot be duplicated on anyone elses machine?

The error info you need is from Outlook Quite plainly as nvda being there is just minding its own business.
I'm beginning to wonder if you might have some strange hardware fault, maybe Ram chip related?



Are there any other funnies going on with software that you can see?
Also have you definitely proved your hard drive has no cross linked chains? This is very rare these days as the software in 10 seems to be able to repair those file issues quite well
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Dear All,

Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have
made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my
Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has
been tried--all without success:

1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the
NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs.
2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I
noticed the problem.
3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process.

Warmly,
Ralph