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Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

You think SIRI is not as smart as the others you mention?
I totally disagree.


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:22 AM
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And alexa and hey google are miles ahead of Siri so that leaves her as a
bit of a lame duck.
Brian

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From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?


I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many
places around the world, and also time around the world, and that is just a

start LOL!
Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck
and neck LOL!
Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL!
If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and
questions for her LOL!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive
as
SIRI.


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to

do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel


Re: Goldwave - latest version

Sam Bushman
 

It works well for me also.
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Goldwave - latest version

No problem like that here. I can tab through all the attribute fields and select by using standard up and down arrow keys.

Roger











On 2/11/2018 12:00 PM, Arnþór Helgason wrote:
I have noticed that it is impossible to select attributes in Goldwave
when saving documents as mp3-files.

Has anyone come across this problem?


All the best from snowy and windy Iceland


Arnthor


Re: Goldwave - latest version

Roger Stewart
 

No problem like that here.  I can tab through all the attribute fields and select by using standard up and down arrow keys.

Roger

On 2/11/2018 12:00 PM, Arnþór Helgason wrote:
I have noticed that it is impossible to select attributes in Goldwave when saving documents as mp3-files.

Has anyone come across this problem?


All the best from snowy and windy Iceland


Arnthor


Goldwave - latest version

Arnþór Helgason
 

I have noticed that it is impossible to select attributes in Goldwave when saving documents as mp3-files.

Has anyone come across this problem?


All the best from snowy and windy Iceland


Arnthor


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Possible Transcript : [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

ely.r@...
 

Hi all,

 

First, I  changed the subject line to help direct comments regarding a transcript.

For those of you who may use Voice Dream Reader on a tablet or phone, the app will play MP3 files. I checked with their support and it is possible to place bookmarks in and MP3 file. I have not tried this yet, but will soon and report back. I had thought to use MP3 on my iPad which would leave me free to use NVDA without having to move back and forth between apps.

 

I too would support helping to fund a professional transcript of the files, but only if there is a great deal of felt need for such.

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of derek riemer
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Joseph, don't worry about it. We the community could probably scoop up money to have it professionally transcribed.

 

On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Joseph,

 

I agree with the others here. I think trying to do a text tutorial is asking too much. I personally prefer audio tutorials over text. You have enough on your plate with your schooling and everything else you do. Thanks so much for all that you do for us.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:36 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi Joseph!

I totally agree with what you are saying. People get so used to one person doing everything, then their expectations for that one person get far too high. If we want a written version of the tutorial, then let us start working on it. I am so grateful and happy with the audio version. I am afraid that this NVDA group, and all the demands will cause you to have to leave altogether. We sure do not want that. It is always a few people having to do it all, even in my church. That is too bad, that people just sit back and wait for someone else to do what they want, instead of doing it themselves. I am so sorry, Joseph, that people rely on you too much.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ely.r@...
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Joseph,

I fully support your view on this. As NVDA largely supports those of us who

are blind or visually impaired, The your audio version makes the Tutorial in

MP3 available to the widest user profile. I can't imagine the time you put

into the production. I hope that others know that you didn't just sit down

and start recording off the top of your head. The material is far too well

organized and your examples to well selected and described to not have taken

you untold hours of pre-production.

A text version would allow one to cut and paste a personal set of reminders,

but in no way, should that fall on you. I can also understand that you would

not be comfortable with less than an exact accurate copy of your work.

Though you did not copyright the Tutorial, which you might have elected to

do. Nor did you offer to sell it, though I, for one, would have gladly paid.

 

 

I suggest to this group that volunteers could use this forum to create a

free transcription Service, divide up the tutorial with each person taking

on sections to produce in a common text format. Others might serve as an

editorial board to proof and finalize the text version to be submitted to

you for approval.

 

When I was a grad student, I barely had time to keep up with my studies. I

would never had time to do what you do for NVDA and for this list.

 

 

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph

Lee

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:15 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi,

The user guide is the text version at the moment, and no, I won't be able to

transcribe the tutorial set on my own. There is an additional, important

condition to be met: the community must demand it. I want to see the

community wanting this; I want to see the community REALLY wanting this to

happen; I want to see the community rise up to do it; I want to get a firm

promise from the community that they'll take care of this with highest of

standards. Yes, I'm setting the bar really high on this for a number of

reasons:

1. Initiated and driven by the community: the era where you can just rely on

one person to do all sorts of things is coming to a close. In fact, we

should have left that era a long time ago. I believe that one way to move

forward is to let the community take care of itself when it is time to do so

(after being nurtured by leaders), hence my condition above regarding text

transcripts. I do know that the community can go above and beyond what I did

and can produce higher quality tutorials (complete with text transcripts),

hence the high quality requirement; but it won't work if the community

doesn't rise up to do this and other huge projects on its own.

2. Passing the torch to the next group of leaders: as noted a few weeks ago,

my active time with the community is slowly coming to a close. I believe

this is a great opportunity to find and teach the next group of leaders, and

one way to do so is giving them something to practice their skills, and

leading a huge project from start to finish is a good exercise. This is one

of the reasons why I don't involve myself a lot with NVDACon planning

recently, because I do know that current organizers can do a much better job

at organizing this gathering. Same could be set about transcriptions:

although some guidance is needed in the beginning, I believe that the

community is more than ready to tackle this from start to finish: producing

a high quality text transcription of the tutorial set.

3. Personal: I carry out some important community duties on top of being a

student and a speech and debate competitor (with trophies under my belt,

including several first place finishes and being qualified to go to national

tournaments). If you thought I am just an NVDA Expert because I can answer

questions with detailed guesses at midnight or seem to possess encyclopedic

knowledge about NVDA source code, I'd like you to sincerely think again,

taking into consideration who I really am: a student volunteer. Given that

academics takes highest of highest of priorities, I dare not go through

another project that'll drain me (this is the biggest regret I have about

producing the audio tutorial set when I should have been taking breaks).

To be blunt (sorry for coming across as too harsh): I usually don't say this

in public, but I believe it must be said before it is too late: an

accomplishment without a spark and a flame is nothing. That is, if you just

wish for things to happen without acting on it, it would have been better to

not wish it in the first place. One of the reasons why I felt burnt out from

this community (especially during tutorial set production) is people's

tendency to ask without acting on that wish, and a persistent attitude that

one must wait for a savior to give guidance without taking the initiative to

think progress and search for things on one's own. And I'm afraid that

either I have contributed to this problem, or that we are not heeding this

and similar criticisms. Thus, before we go any further (such as downloading

the book format one cannot read right now), I sincerely advise you to heed

this criticism for once, because without doing so, we won't see much

progress; I think it would be helpful for us (as a community) to assess what

we're doing, our attitudes, and what we need to do in the future, so that we

can be a much better community: a community where people can answer each

other with more confidence.

Hope this helps. I do know that my post may come across as harsh, and may

not have answered your questions. But I believe that there are more

important matters to think about, more important than text transcription of

Welcome to NVDA 2018 that'll have profound effect on this community and

beyond.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:33 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

will a text version be created?

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rick" <softwarethatworks@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

 

> What I fail to understand is, if you do not have access to software or a

> device that supports Daisy format, why you would download the Daisy format

> of the tutorial. It's like buying Vinyl records when you do not have a

> turntable and only have a CD player. It's just stupid. The tutorial from

> Joseph's site is in MP3 format and is great for media players. The Daisy

> format is for people with "Daisy players. Period. Choose the format that

> works best for your situation.

> Rick

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun

> Everiss

> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:34 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

> Well if they are numbered fine I have actually resorted to my media player

> to do the reading.

> Ofcause due to structure daisy book files can be in little bits to.

> On 10/02/2018 11:33 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

>> Hi,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I did find them as mp3 files. I don't have a device like the victor

>> stream or plex-talk to be able to jump from section to section.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:23 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA

>> 2018

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> The audio recordings are in mp3 format, which may explain why this

>> isn't working.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:16 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA

>> 2018

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi, Joseph,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to

>> have a special player or is this a word document?

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Rosemarie

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi everyone,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind,

>> an audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now

>> available

>> from:

>> 

>> http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph

>> _lee.z

>> ip

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up

>> to date.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this

>> tutorial set on physical media for a fee.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Enjoy.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




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·         Skier.

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Re: about taskmanager

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Yes. I’m sorry. It’s my mistake, mostly. This is a (rare) case of a program that seems to work much better with JAWS than it does with NVDA. I thought I had used it with NVDA before, but I use both screen-readers (still quite new to NVDA in fact) and sometimes my internal wires get crossed. I’m sure you could still use the program with nVDA, but arrowing through the list of tasks, for example, currently does not give any speech feedback with nVDA. I apologise for steering people wrong on this list.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: February 11, 2018 7:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Nobody simply said the program doesn't work. Everybody who said it didn't work, mentioned that it doesn't work with NVDA. My message was the first one in this thread to say that it doesn't work and I specifically mentioned NVDA. I quote from my original message:

"Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all."

 

Kind regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 1:42 PM, Dennis L wrote:

I wasn't trying to bring other screen readers into it.  However you said the program didn't work.  That is simply not true.  it's a NVDA issue clearly.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Yes you are correct – If I switch to Jaws the list of processes become readable.

When I switch back to NVDA all I hear is Pane when I try to navigate to the same window.

Slightly odd.

David Griffith.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Dennis L
Sent: 11 February 2018 10:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

the program works fine with Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: about taskmanager

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

    Hi where do you get this program from?

And is it free and easy to install?

One last thing what do you need to do when you install it and use it?

One last thing what do you all need to do to use the program and set it up?




On 2/11/2018 6:40 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Nobody simply said the program doesn't work. Everybody who said it didn't work, mentioned that it doesn't work with NVDA. My message was the first one in this thread to say that it doesn't work and I specifically mentioned NVDA. I quote from my original message:

"Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all."


Kind regards


Christo


 

On 2018/02/11 1:42 PM, Dennis L wrote:
I wasn't trying to bring other screen readers into it.  However you said the program didn't work.  That is simply not true.  it's a NVDA issue clearly.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

Yes you are correct – If I switch to Jaws the list of processes become readable.

When I switch back to NVDA all I hear is Pane when I try to navigate to the same window.

Slightly odd.

David Griffith.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Dennis L
Sent: 11 February 2018 10:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

the program works fine with Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 



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Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

Adriani Botez
 

You could try to scan your system with malware bytes. I had some similar problems which have been solved after scanning and deleting the corrupted files as shown in malware bytes.

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Gene
Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Februar 2018 16:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

 

I'm not sure how likely this is, but if it might be undetected malware, that would be of concern.  But for all we know, it's some sort of corruption of something.  You might want to investigate the malware possibility by signing up with bleeping computer and having the geeks who hang out on the site help you run various detection programs.  Even that wouldn't rule out the possibility but it would be a more thorough detection protocol than most people do.  You may need sighted help to do some of the things they will want you to do. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:20 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

 

However, one issue is that it may well be a symptom of a more serious
problem. I'd feel very irked at such a weird situation and simply have to
find a reason.
 The other day I had to remove the dreaded Avast from a system which had
acquired it via a ccleaner download, and although it seems to have worked
well, now when certain programs are run, the computer actually restarts
itself. Numerous tests suggest all is as it was and even bring it back to
before installation of avast  makes it do the same thing.Luckily these
pieces of software are system tools by third parties so not really an issue
most of the time, but it does make one realise how many weird ways there are
to run-in a perfectly working system.

Short of a complete re install of everything there is probably no way to fix
it as it is the diagnostic tools that cause the crashes.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


I'm sorry you are spending so much time trying to solve the problem.  I
think that, rather than continuing to try to solve it, it makes much more
sense to open the program without NVDA running, then just leave it opened.

Of course, it's up to you how much time you want to spend solving what is a
minor annoyance, I wouldn't have spent much time on it at all, myself.
There are some problems that, in my opinion, aren't worth spending time
trying to solve when there is an easy work around.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Dear All,

Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have
made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my
Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has
been tried--all without success:

1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the
NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs.
2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I
noticed the problem.
3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process.

Warmly,
Ralph






Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

Gene
 

I'm not sure how likely this is, but if it might be undetected malware, that would be of concern.  But for all we know, it's some sort of corruption of something.  You might want to investigate the malware possibility by signing up with bleeping computer and having the geeks who hang out on the site help you run various detection programs.  Even that wouldn't rule out the possibility but it would be a more thorough detection protocol than most people do.  You may need sighted help to do some of the things they will want you to do. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

However, one issue is that it may well be a symptom of a more serious
problem. I'd feel very irked at such a weird situation and simply have to
find a reason.
 The other day I had to remove the dreaded Avast from a system which had
acquired it via a ccleaner download, and although it seems to have worked
well, now when certain programs are run, the computer actually restarts
itself. Numerous tests suggest all is as it was and even bring it back to
before installation of avast  makes it do the same thing.Luckily these
pieces of software are system tools by third parties so not really an issue
most of the time, but it does make one realise how many weird ways there are
to run-in a perfectly working system.

Short of a complete re install of everything there is probably no way to fix
it as it is the diagnostic tools that cause the crashes.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


I'm sorry you are spending so much time trying to solve the problem.  I
think that, rather than continuing to try to solve it, it makes much more
sense to open the program without NVDA running, then just leave it opened.

Of course, it's up to you how much time you want to spend solving what is a
minor annoyance, I wouldn't have spent much time on it at all, myself.
There are some problems that, in my opinion, aren't worth spending time
trying to solve when there is an easy work around.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Dear All,

Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have
made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my
Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has
been tried--all without success:

1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the
NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs.
2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I
noticed the problem.
3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process.

Warmly,
Ralph







Re: Google drive again

 

hi brian.
do you mean that google drive can be used on xp again?
i did not test it until now, but in many different programs, i recieve
the error which you mentioned.

'if you were in the middle of something' the application that you worked on it,
i dont remember the rest of error completely.
but i recieve this error very often!
do you mean that this is an error special for windows xp?
do users of other windows recieve this error?
etc.
God bless you all.

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Strangely this morning Google drive has come back to xp again, using the old

google drive software, not the new one which crashes with that wonderful
'if you were in the middle of something' error so beloved of xp users!

Brian

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Re: conflict with apps using the NVDA key

Adriani Botez
 

Hello Didier,

you could set a configuration profile for those apps which triggers only when you come across them. In that profile, you could disable "use capslock key as NVDA key" in keyboard settings. It should work.


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von
Didier Colle
Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Februar 2018 15:21
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] conflict with apps using the NVDA key

Hi all,


I am pretty happy running emacspeak in a linux gentoo system as a virtualbox
guest on my windows system.

I run the X version launched by the cygwin startxwin command as follows:
"startxwin `which ssh` -XY dcolle@localhost emacs -- -multiwindow"

This has the advantage that I am not bothered with the lag while typing in the
cygwin shell, good clipboard integration between both environments, and I
am not bothered with the virtualbox guest modifier keys.

That works great in combination with NVDA for the host environment.


Until now I have been using the windows host for webbrowsing and pdf file
reading. Now I want to try this in the gentoo vbox environment (that recently
there have been problems with firefox is no coincidence; even ff58 does not
run always flawlessly).

My intention is to launch firefox or evince from the cmd-line in the emacspeak
environment; to make them accessible I would need the orca screen reader.

Orca uses caps-lock as modifier in laptop layout (and insert in desktop
layout): the same modifier keys as NVDA is using.


I guess that will not work nicely together. (I have still to experiment).

Thus my general question: how to deal with apps using themself modifier
keys identical to those used by NVDA? Is it possible to avoid NVDA
consuming such key combinations while in certain apps?


Thanks a lot and kind regards,


Didier



conflict with apps using the NVDA key

Didier Colle
 

Hi all,


I am pretty happy running emacspeak in a linux gentoo system as a virtualbox guest on my windows system.

I run the X version launched by the cygwin startxwin command as follows: "startxwin `which ssh` -XY dcolle@localhost emacs -- -multiwindow"

This has the advantage that I am not bothered with the lag while typing in the cygwin shell, good clipboard integration between both environments, and I am not bothered with the virtualbox guest modifier keys.

That works great in combination with NVDA for the host environment.


Until now I have been using the windows host for webbrowsing and pdf file reading. Now I want to try this in the gentoo vbox environment (that recently there have been problems with firefox is no coincidence; even ff58 does not run always flawlessly).

My intention is to launch firefox or evince from the cmd-line in the emacspeak environment; to make them accessible I would need the orca screen reader.

Orca uses caps-lock as modifier in laptop layout (and insert in desktop layout): the same modifier keys as NVDA is using.


I guess that will not work nicely together. (I have still to experiment).

Thus my general question: how to deal with apps using themself modifier keys identical to those used by NVDA? Is it possible to avoid NVDA consuming such key combinations while in certain apps?


Thanks a lot and kind regards,


Didier


Re: about taskmanager

Christo de Klerk
 

Nobody simply said the program doesn't work. Everybody who said it didn't work, mentioned that it doesn't work with NVDA. My message was the first one in this thread to say that it doesn't work and I specifically mentioned NVDA. I quote from my original message:

"Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all."


Kind regards


Christo


 

On 2018/02/11 1:42 PM, Dennis L wrote:
I wasn't trying to bring other screen readers into it.  However you said the program didn't work.  That is simply not true.  it's a NVDA issue clearly.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

Yes you are correct – If I switch to Jaws the list of processes become readable.

When I switch back to NVDA all I hear is Pane when I try to navigate to the same window.

Slightly odd.

David Griffith.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
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My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Dennis L
Sent: 11 February 2018 10:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

the program works fine with Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 



Nvda goes silent the sequal

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I was just browsing the system tray while back up was doing its thing this morning when I encountered the nvda going away issue. This is windows 7 pro, with the latest master snap actually running as an installed copy. Now if you hate repitition, read no further as I'm about to post a very boring log fragment.
Eventually explorer, which had stopped, came back but still would not respond, so I did a terminate and reboot manually blind as it were. It looks to me from this, that sometime during a back up, Explorer went away, leaving nvda frozen. This seemed to be around the time I was pressing the app key to see if I could bring up backup or some indication it might be almost done.
Anyway, enough waffle. for those interested. here is the log. The interesting thing is that as far as I can see no other keys were registered by nvda, but clearly I was pressing them to reboot nvda. At which point explorer rebooted is anyones guess, likewise why it went away in the first place.
I doubt anything can be done on such sparse info, but it does demonstrate that odd things do occur, and trying to make them happen to order is almost impossible.

Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - speech.speak (11:25:35.651):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'NotificationChevron button']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:36.125):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
IO - speech.speak (11:25:36.161):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'User Promoted Notification Area tool bar']
IO - speech.speak (11:25:36.180):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Safely Remove Hardware and Eject Media button 1 of 8']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:36.983):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
IO - speech.speak (11:25:37.045):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Backup in progress button 2 of 8']
IO - speech.speak (11:25:38.016):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Backup in progress tool tip']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:42.437):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (11:25:42.464):
application explorer closed
IO - speech.speak (11:25:42.493):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Speakers: 99% button 3 of 8']
IO - speech.speak (11:25:43.479):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Speakers: 99% tool tip']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:44.773):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
IO - speech.speak (11:25:44.838):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Backup in progress button 2 of 8']
IO - speech.speak (11:25:45.808):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Backup in progress tool tip']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:45.982):
Input: kb(desktop):applications
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (11:25:46.654):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 473, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 444, in Notify
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 147, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 160, in doPreGainFocus
File "api.pyc", line 107, in setFocusObject
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1546, in _get_container
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 940, in findGroupboxObject
File "winUser.pyc", line 474, in getPreviousWindow

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (11:26:01.655):
Core frozen in stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 473, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 444, in Notify
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 147, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 160, in doPreGainFocus
File "api.pyc", line 107, in setFocusObject
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1546, in _get_container
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 940, in findGroupboxObject
File "winUser.pyc", line 474, in getPreviousWindow

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (11:26:16.657):
Core frozen in stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 473, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 444, in Notify
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 147, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 160, in doPreGainFocus
File "api.pyc", line 107, in setFocusObject
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1546, in _get_container
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 940, in findGroupboxObject
File "winUser.pyc", line 474, in getPreviousWindow

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (11:26:31.657):
Core frozen in stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 473, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 444, in Notify
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 147, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 160, in doPreGainFocus
File "api.pyc", line 107, in setFocusObject
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1546, in _get_container
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 940, in findGroupboxObject
File "winUser.pyc", line 474, in getPreviousWindow

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (11:26:46.658):
Core frozen in stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 473, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 444, in Notify
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 147, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 160, in doPreGainFocus
File "api.pyc", line 107, in setFocusObject
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1546, in _get_container
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 940, in findGroupboxObject
File "winUser.pyc", line 474, in getPreviousWindow

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (11:27:01.709):
Core frozen in stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 473, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 444, in Notify
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 147, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 160, in doPreGainFocus
File "api.pyc", line 107, in setFocusObject
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1546, in _get_container
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 940, in findGroupboxObject
File "winUser.pyc", line 474, in getPreviousWindow

That is the way it ended as I'd used a batch file to forciby close the old copy and after a timeout and it not working with nvda /q, it did it brute force wise and rebooted nvda again on a new log of course.

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Re: about taskmanager

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 


I wasn't trying to bring other screen readers into it.  However you said the program didn't work.  That is simply not true.  it's a NVDA issue clearly.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

Yes you are correct – If I switch to Jaws the list of processes become readable.

When I switch back to NVDA all I hear is Pane when I try to navigate to the same window.

Slightly odd.

David Griffith.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Dennis L
Sent: 11 February 2018 10:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

the program works fine with Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: about taskmanager

David Griffith
 

Yes you are correct – If I switch to Jaws the list of processes become readable.

When I switch back to NVDA all I hear is Pane when I try to navigate to the same window.

Slightly odd.

David Griffith.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Dennis L
Sent: 11 February 2018 10:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

the program works fine with Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: about taskmanager

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 


the program works fine with Jaws.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 


Re: about taskmanager

David Griffith
 

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

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Re: about taskmanager

Christo de Klerk
 

If by the add-on you mean the Windows 10 App Essentials add-on, then yes to both questions. Not just the most updated Windows and add-on, but also the latest NVDA master snapshot. With all that going, Process Explorer is unusable with NVDA. You can try it for yourself.

Regards

Christo

On 2018/02/11 10:23 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
You sure about that? Older versions were a bit of a mess, but I've been told they fixed it as long as you have the latest version of windows and the add on.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@...>
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Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all.

Regards

Christo


On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.




On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hi everyone.


I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi,

It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.

Cheers,

Joseph


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.


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From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix


P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter











Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

Hi,

Part of this has to do with changes to searchui.exe on newer Windows 10 builds.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

The win10 app essentials add-on use to do this once upon a time, but no longer does for some time now, such a losss having to hear the nvda voice under Cortana some what spoils the experience

 

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

Really I'd have settled for the other way around... grin.

I'm not sure this is possible automatically unless there is a specific

program which runs when it speaks, in which case one can use  profiles.

However if you want navigation on that dialogue to be spoken, I do not see

how you can silence nvda and still keep the  screenreader functions other

than manually by hitting control.

Brian

 

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I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to

do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

 

Mel