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Re: about taskmanager

 

It works with nvda, but its really slow, I didn't say it didn't eventually work but its just not feesable.

On 11/02/2018 11:41 p.m., Dennis L wrote:
the program works fine with Jaws.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Griffith
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility issue.


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From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.


Regards


Christo



On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

>

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

>

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

>

>

>

>

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>>

>>

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>>

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>>

>> Cheers,

>>

>> Joseph

>>

>>

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>>

>>

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>>

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>>

>>

>> David Griffith

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>>

>>

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>>

>>

>> Hi Paul,

>>

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>>

>> Greetings,

>>

>> Felix

>>

>>

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>>

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>>

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Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

 

Well someone did a test on google alexa and siri you can load all of these on your phone at any rate.

Anyway, both alexa and google had just about the same results, slightly differently worded, siri though put out a dumb responce.

Its really behind the rest, really crappy now, I am unsure what apple are doing.

There are better ais out there.

On 11/02/2018 9:21 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
And alexa and hey google are miles ahead of Siri so that leaves her as a bit of a lame duck.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?


I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many places around the world, and also time around the world, and that is just a start LOL!
Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck and neck LOL!
Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL!
If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and questions for her LOL!
David Moore
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From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive as SIRI.


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel





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Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

 

Yeah had this with a system, I just reformat and it went away.

I have also had it where something was on the way out most notably the psu, or one of the fans.

On 11/02/2018 9:20 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
However, one issue is that it may well be a symptom of a more serious problem. I'd feel very irked at such a weird situation and simply have to find a reason.
The other day I had to remove the dreaded Avast from a system which had acquired it via a ccleaner download, and although it seems to have worked well, now when certain programs are run, the computer actually restarts itself. Numerous tests suggest all is as it was and even bring it back to before installation of avast makes it do the same thing.Luckily these pieces of software are system tools by third parties so not really an issue most of the time, but it does make one realise how many weird ways there are to run-in a perfectly working system.

Short of a complete re install of everything there is probably no way to fix it as it is the diagnostic tools that cause the crashes.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


I'm sorry you are spending so much time trying to solve the problem.  I think that, rather than continuing to try to solve it, it makes much more sense to open the program without NVDA running, then just leave it opened.

Of course, it's up to you how much time you want to spend solving what is a minor annoyance, I wouldn't have spent much time on it at all, myself. There are some problems that, in my opinion, aren't worth spending time trying to solve when there is an easy work around.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Dear All,

Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have
made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my
Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has
been tried--all without success:

1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the
NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs.
2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I
noticed the problem.
3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process.

Warmly,
Ralph






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Re: about taskmanager

 

You know brian thats what I have been driving at.

Who cares about the windows interface, maybe you buy the core and a default skin then get others.

What is wrong with windows xp interface, nothing.

No search box but whatever.

win7 searchbox is nice, maybe I get that, but the rest well.

Win7 is not that bad.

Now win10 interface is not all bad, I mean the main desktop right now is fine, and I must admit those shortcut keys are nice.

The searchboxes all over the place I could do with out and all the universal apps, some are really good but I have no problem with classic skype and classic desktop apps.

You are right about the hardware.

Because of the intel foul up, systems are slower, I have old systems some first gen which ran reasonably right but are now really bad.

I have certain boxes that will just not run right anymore.

As for skins, I don't mind if I can buy skins or even use certain elements, I want the win7 skin the xp skin, and maybe the windows 9x classic skins.

And if then we are going to skins, what if you could run windows skins on a linux kernal, yeah you would have to pay to run windows on linux but then I'd do it.

100-200  bucks for everything or 10-30 bucks a skin, gladly would I part with my cash.

Then We wouldn't have this issue.

More rich sound themes including ambient sound for different places.

Same could be for visuals I guess.

And some way to switch interfaces ofcause.

Then windows would be a truely universal os.

But yeah win10 is not one big crashing crap pile.

But its not that tidy from all the recovery partitions it creates, to the fact things seem to be added every little while and they call it progress.

The fact that sometimes this means drivers suddenly just don't work anymore and I have to install them.

To all sorts of things.

On the last update of windows, the graphics card didn't work, and wehn I got it working and checked the program with my hp it found the update for that.

Still things didn't work a check of the site told me I was misssing a lot but what about all the boxes that just don't get updates anymore, eventually the new boxes will not get updates then we have an issue.

To be honest I am all for an addition of windows that you got, you setup, and you could opt out of ever getting feature updates at all but then would have to get the latest update, something like firefox esr.

Right now you can in some additions do this and stop all together updates for various things but if you do once the time expires you are pritty much locked out of updating, till you manually update, reformat, or get some help.

Then again I never understood that feature.

At any rate in the end you would have no choice.

On 11/02/2018 9:03 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
What makes you think they are not. I'm always being told to get up to date, yet those I know who have seem to have no end of issues in windows 10, the main one, sadly is having to wait for a surprise every few months when Microsoft create a new set of wheels and usually forget to tighten the wheel nuts resulting in one dropping off, so a new fix comes out to superglue it back on. There is a lot to be said for good design and adaptability  baked in at the start, rather than this  current messing about with operating systems conceived  over  a coffee or so it seems. By now windows should be a core and have several skins which include the apis that work, so we can make it look and feel like we want for a given task or for those who are used to a particular way of things working.
There will always be security issues and attempting to block holes will always go on and its no good trying to make bomb proof browsers that only half work or whatever only to find its the bloomin hardware which is  bust in the first place. Honestly its like some comedy sit com at the moment. Loads of people  talking the talk but not actually doing a lot.
Like everything, we are the weakest link in the main, I'm surprised nobody has suggested an upgrade for ourselves by now!
Anyway. getting back to the subject for once, nvda would be much easier to make work if the playing field we were working in did not keep on being dug up by moles and termites. I hope you get my drift.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Well I am really sick of this, task manager is so crappy and useless because of how it is the win7 one just worked.

I think its time for another alternit to task manager because crappy uia is obviously sucking.

I still say dispite all the new tech thats going on with uia that old crappy crap that it is the old msaa and older decade old out of date and now crappy stuff is still good for the user.

Just because microsoft says its old and crap now doesn't mean the users share the same experience.

Xp is crap because microsoft says it is, yet I am sure it started faster than win10 or 7 ever did on standard hard drives and there was nothing wrong with its interface.

I do wander if there are other task managers that will do simple things, processes and apps, the rest of it can go to the dogs for all I care.

And with all the cpu slowdowns going on due to updates and all the issues around that even the workstation my dad uses even with a lot of stuff taken off is now slow.

I have older i3 units and older systems that while were just barely usefull and some newer systems that were quite speedy, I may as well use for target shooting due to them being so slow they don't work well with anything.

I am glad I still use 7.

Serious outside my blustering, something has to get done with task manager, are ther alternitives, will an older win7 task manager work in the mean time, can the newer task manager get faster.

Universal apps are not like this, if there were like this users would be really angry.




On 10/02/2018 3:46 a.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA.
Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after
opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication
with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is
unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix

P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the
taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter








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Re: suggestion for feedback

 

<grin>

Its like the tools I install on all the systems including business things I work with they are like, what is this extra software doing and what is it for.

My responce, these are tools I use to service the systems, they don't do anything by themselves, if not run, they are not a security issue, don't touch them, don't move them, they don't exist, they are for me to use.

Unless I do this people monkey with my stuff and before you know I need to reformat because people are using things and going I went into here and what does that button do I can't understand what this does.

Ofcause if A user had to use the tools in question its another issue.

All systems have ccleaner and defragler, and 7zip, and cdbxp.

But they are not for the general userbase to even bother using.

On 11/02/2018 8:48 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm not sure that this is any better for paying customers of Github. In the main I feel its to do with the ethos of programmers vs users appreciation of each others needs.
Its almost like a language barrier in which neither side understands what the other is moaning about.
I guess also its like being a teacher. A lot of people find learning hard until some teacher comes along and makes the subject more understandable by using different teaching methods.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
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Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback


Yeah I know where you are driving at.

When I was doing a test on a game, tubesim nasoft was using a system called fossle.

The system was low cost, easy to use, easy to submit, easy to brouse.

But to search, you firstly needed to know the generated id number, which well I just discarded immediately.

If you tried a general search for the issue well nothing displayed properly, and you couldn't have a hope in hell to find anything in the database.

I in the end told nick how crappy it was and he tried it and found out the same.

He was a developer so was able to get it ok but it was not a usable system for users to handle and in the end bugs were logged on the system by him after we emailed him and messages were from email.

It seems that to avoid crappy systems we have to pay for a user experience.

While I don't mind paying I think there is something abhorrently wrong in charging for an easy to understand interface.




On 9/02/2018 11:05 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The other problem with github which I forgot to mention is this.
When you want to find out if your issue already exists, the internal search seems to have been designed to not see the obvious, so to speak as almost every time I do an issue somebody piles in closed duplicate of xxxx. I do search, but increasingly I feel I'm wasting my time, as it never seems to spot anything other than stuff not related to my issue at all. Its kind of like its searching for everything but what I'm talking about!
Maybe its a programmer vs user language issue, who knows.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback


Well I think the idea is that the one field has all the suggested
information to include. Having just one field hopefully doesn't seem as
intimidating as having a dozen fields to fill in.

But if it's not working and having a dozen smaller fields (I didn't count,
just grabbed the number out of the air) would be easier, then that's
certainly something to look at.



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However it is quite daunting and needs a lot of concentration to actually
make it work for you. I guess if you were in there all the time it would
become easier. I'm not a fan of the in field suggestions either. I'd prefer
separate fields with supporting text like most forms are.That way one can
actually make sense of what should go where. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
*From:* Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:49 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback

I think GitHub issue tracking is the right tool for the purpose.



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback



Hi Rusty,



Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue)
isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue
on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*). As we use GitHub, it would
still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a
Github account. Even if we moved away from Github to another issue
tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several
things:

1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be
prioritised and followed through to completion.

2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions,
provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else
interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue.

3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place.



If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent
us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep
track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular
problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails.



The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house
developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute
code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central
repository to make that all possible. If you e-mailed me and asked for a
particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't
a high enough priority to get to immediately. It might however, be
something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like
to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but
I don't necessarily know who might be interested.



So, in short... would you like to create a github issue with your idea?
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new



Regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...>
wrote:

Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.

I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)

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On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows
thing as
far as I can tell.

Rusty
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<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have
a >> fix.
using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest
incarnation of
this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.

On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,

For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few
moments
and speech comes back.

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Re: Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

Fernando Apan
 

Hi.

All what I can say is that I'm very happy with the Daisy format of this book. If I don't have the way to play this book, I just look for it and that's it.

Thanks joseph for this wonderfull book and congratulations for all what you do for this comunity.

Cheers.


Fernando Apan.




El 10/02/2018 a las 07:35 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi Joseph!

I totally agree with what you are saying. People get so used to one person doing everything, then their expectations for that one person get far too high. If we want a written version of the tutorial, then let us start working on it. I am so grateful and happy with the audio version. I am afraid that this NVDA group, and all the demands will cause you to have to leave altogether. We sure do not want that. It is always a few people having to do it all, even in my church. That is too bad, that people just sit back and wait for someone else to do what they want, instead of doing it themselves. I am so sorry, Joseph, that people rely on you too much.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ely.r@...
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Joseph,

I fully support your view on this. As NVDA largely supports those of us who

are blind or visually impaired, The your audio version makes the Tutorial in

MP3 available to the widest user profile. I can't imagine the time you put

into the production. I hope that others know that you didn't just sit down

and start recording off the top of your head. The material is far too well

organized and your examples to well selected and described to not have taken

you untold hours of pre-production.

A text version would allow one to cut and paste a personal set of reminders,

but in no way, should that fall on you. I can also understand that you would

not be comfortable with less than an exact accurate copy of your work.

Though you did not copyright the Tutorial, which you might have elected to

do. Nor did you offer to sell it, though I, for one, would have gladly paid.

 

 

I suggest to this group that volunteers could use this forum to create a

free transcription Service, divide up the tutorial with each person taking

on sections to produce in a common text format. Others might serve as an

editorial board to proof and finalize the text version to be submitted to

you for approval.

 

When I was a grad student, I barely had time to keep up with my studies. I

would never had time to do what you do for NVDA and for this list.

 

 

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph

Lee

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:15 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi,

The user guide is the text version at the moment, and no, I won't be able to

transcribe the tutorial set on my own. There is an additional, important

condition to be met: the community must demand it. I want to see the

community wanting this; I want to see the community REALLY wanting this to

happen; I want to see the community rise up to do it; I want to get a firm

promise from the community that they'll take care of this with highest of

standards. Yes, I'm setting the bar really high on this for a number of

reasons:

1. Initiated and driven by the community: the era where you can just rely on

one person to do all sorts of things is coming to a close. In fact, we

should have left that era a long time ago. I believe that one way to move

forward is to let the community take care of itself when it is time to do so

(after being nurtured by leaders), hence my condition above regarding text

transcripts. I do know that the community can go above and beyond what I did

and can produce higher quality tutorials (complete with text transcripts),

hence the high quality requirement; but it won't work if the community

doesn't rise up to do this and other huge projects on its own.

2. Passing the torch to the next group of leaders: as noted a few weeks ago,

my active time with the community is slowly coming to a close. I believe

this is a great opportunity to find and teach the next group of leaders, and

one way to do so is giving them something to practice their skills, and

leading a huge project from start to finish is a good exercise. This is one

of the reasons why I don't involve myself a lot with NVDACon planning

recently, because I do know that current organizers can do a much better job

at organizing this gathering. Same could be set about transcriptions:

although some guidance is needed in the beginning, I believe that the

community is more than ready to tackle this from start to finish: producing

a high quality text transcription of the tutorial set.

3. Personal: I carry out some important community duties on top of being a

student and a speech and debate competitor (with trophies under my belt,

including several first place finishes and being qualified to go to national

tournaments). If you thought I am just an NVDA Expert because I can answer

questions with detailed guesses at midnight or seem to possess encyclopedic

knowledge about NVDA source code, I'd like you to sincerely think again,

taking into consideration who I really am: a student volunteer. Given that

academics takes highest of highest of priorities, I dare not go through

another project that'll drain me (this is the biggest regret I have about

producing the audio tutorial set when I should have been taking breaks).

To be blunt (sorry for coming across as too harsh): I usually don't say this

in public, but I believe it must be said before it is too late: an

accomplishment without a spark and a flame is nothing. That is, if you just

wish for things to happen without acting on it, it would have been better to

not wish it in the first place. One of the reasons why I felt burnt out from

this community (especially during tutorial set production) is people's

tendency to ask without acting on that wish, and a persistent attitude that

one must wait for a savior to give guidance without taking the initiative to

think progress and search for things on one's own. And I'm afraid that

either I have contributed to this problem, or that we are not heeding this

and similar criticisms. Thus, before we go any further (such as downloading

the book format one cannot read right now), I sincerely advise you to heed

this criticism for once, because without doing so, we won't see much

progress; I think it would be helpful for us (as a community) to assess what

we're doing, our attitudes, and what we need to do in the future, so that we

can be a much better community: a community where people can answer each

other with more confidence.

Hope this helps. I do know that my post may come across as harsh, and may

not have answered your questions. But I believe that there are more

important matters to think about, more important than text transcription of

Welcome to NVDA 2018 that'll have profound effect on this community and

beyond.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:33 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

will a text version be created?

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rick" <softwarethatworks@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

 

> What I fail to understand is, if you do not have access to software or a

> device that supports Daisy format, why you would download the Daisy format

> of the tutorial. It's like buying Vinyl records when you do not have a

> turntable and only have a CD player. It's just stupid. The tutorial from

> Joseph's site is in MP3 format and is great for media players. The Daisy

> format is for people with "Daisy players. Period. Choose the format that

> works best for your situation.

> Rick

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun

> Everiss

> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:34 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

> Well if they are numbered fine I have actually resorted to my media player

> to do the reading.

> Ofcause due to structure daisy book files can be in little bits to.

> On 10/02/2018 11:33 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

>> Hi,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I did find them as mp3 files. I don't have a device like the victor

>> stream or plex-talk to be able to jump from section to section.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:23 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA

>> 2018

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> The audio recordings are in mp3 format, which may explain why this

>> isn't working.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:16 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA

>> 2018

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi, Joseph,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to

>> have a special player or is this a word document?

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Rosemarie

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi everyone,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind,

>> an audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now

>> available

>> from:

>> 

>> http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph

>> _lee.z

>> ip

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up

>> to date.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this

>> tutorial set on physical media for a fee.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Enjoy.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Re: koba speech

mattias
 

It uses vocalizer

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

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Skickat: den 11 februari 2018 02:34
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] koba speech

 

I never heard of this synth is it english voices?

 

On 2/10/2018 3:41 PM, mattias wrote:

I playing around with kobaspeech and NVDA

I have installed kobaspeech latest version and installed the NVDA driver

If i understand the NVDA driver correctly the kobaspeech voice should show up in the NVDA synthezisers dialog..

But no kobaspeech there

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

 

 


Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

Kerryn Gunness
 

so alexa can be downloded to ones phone? i phone or android

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From: "Karim Lakhani" <karim.lakhani@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?


You think SIRI is not as smart as the others you mention?
I totally disagree.


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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

And alexa and hey google are miles ahead of Siri so that leaves her as a
bit of a lame duck.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?


I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many
places around the world, and also time around the world, and that is just a

start LOL!
Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck
and neck LOL!
Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL!
If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and
questions for her LOL!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive
as
SIRI.


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to

do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel








Re: How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

You think SIRI is not as smart as the others you mention?
I totally disagree.


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-----Original Message-----
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Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

And alexa and hey google are miles ahead of Siri so that leaves her as a
bit of a lame duck.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?


I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many
places around the world, and also time around the world, and that is just a

start LOL!
Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck
and neck LOL!
Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL!
If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and
questions for her LOL!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive
as
SIRI.


$$$$

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$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10? Are there ways to

do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel


Re: Goldwave - latest version

Sam Bushman
 

It works well for me also.
Sam

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Goldwave - latest version

No problem like that here. I can tab through all the attribute fields and select by using standard up and down arrow keys.

Roger











On 2/11/2018 12:00 PM, Arnþór Helgason wrote:
I have noticed that it is impossible to select attributes in Goldwave
when saving documents as mp3-files.

Has anyone come across this problem?


All the best from snowy and windy Iceland


Arnthor


Re: Goldwave - latest version

Roger Stewart
 

No problem like that here.  I can tab through all the attribute fields and select by using standard up and down arrow keys.

Roger

On 2/11/2018 12:00 PM, Arnþór Helgason wrote:
I have noticed that it is impossible to select attributes in Goldwave when saving documents as mp3-files.

Has anyone come across this problem?


All the best from snowy and windy Iceland


Arnthor


Goldwave - latest version

Arnþór Helgason
 

I have noticed that it is impossible to select attributes in Goldwave when saving documents as mp3-files.

Has anyone come across this problem?


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Possible Transcript : [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

ely.r@...
 

Hi all,

 

First, I  changed the subject line to help direct comments regarding a transcript.

For those of you who may use Voice Dream Reader on a tablet or phone, the app will play MP3 files. I checked with their support and it is possible to place bookmarks in and MP3 file. I have not tried this yet, but will soon and report back. I had thought to use MP3 on my iPad which would leave me free to use NVDA without having to move back and forth between apps.

 

I too would support helping to fund a professional transcript of the files, but only if there is a great deal of felt need for such.

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of derek riemer
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Joseph, don't worry about it. We the community could probably scoop up money to have it professionally transcribed.

 

On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Joseph,

 

I agree with the others here. I think trying to do a text tutorial is asking too much. I personally prefer audio tutorials over text. You have enough on your plate with your schooling and everything else you do. Thanks so much for all that you do for us.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:36 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi Joseph!

I totally agree with what you are saying. People get so used to one person doing everything, then their expectations for that one person get far too high. If we want a written version of the tutorial, then let us start working on it. I am so grateful and happy with the audio version. I am afraid that this NVDA group, and all the demands will cause you to have to leave altogether. We sure do not want that. It is always a few people having to do it all, even in my church. That is too bad, that people just sit back and wait for someone else to do what they want, instead of doing it themselves. I am so sorry, Joseph, that people rely on you too much.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ely.r@...
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Joseph,

I fully support your view on this. As NVDA largely supports those of us who

are blind or visually impaired, The your audio version makes the Tutorial in

MP3 available to the widest user profile. I can't imagine the time you put

into the production. I hope that others know that you didn't just sit down

and start recording off the top of your head. The material is far too well

organized and your examples to well selected and described to not have taken

you untold hours of pre-production.

A text version would allow one to cut and paste a personal set of reminders,

but in no way, should that fall on you. I can also understand that you would

not be comfortable with less than an exact accurate copy of your work.

Though you did not copyright the Tutorial, which you might have elected to

do. Nor did you offer to sell it, though I, for one, would have gladly paid.

 

 

I suggest to this group that volunteers could use this forum to create a

free transcription Service, divide up the tutorial with each person taking

on sections to produce in a common text format. Others might serve as an

editorial board to proof and finalize the text version to be submitted to

you for approval.

 

When I was a grad student, I barely had time to keep up with my studies. I

would never had time to do what you do for NVDA and for this list.

 

 

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph

Lee

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:15 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi,

The user guide is the text version at the moment, and no, I won't be able to

transcribe the tutorial set on my own. There is an additional, important

condition to be met: the community must demand it. I want to see the

community wanting this; I want to see the community REALLY wanting this to

happen; I want to see the community rise up to do it; I want to get a firm

promise from the community that they'll take care of this with highest of

standards. Yes, I'm setting the bar really high on this for a number of

reasons:

1. Initiated and driven by the community: the era where you can just rely on

one person to do all sorts of things is coming to a close. In fact, we

should have left that era a long time ago. I believe that one way to move

forward is to let the community take care of itself when it is time to do so

(after being nurtured by leaders), hence my condition above regarding text

transcripts. I do know that the community can go above and beyond what I did

and can produce higher quality tutorials (complete with text transcripts),

hence the high quality requirement; but it won't work if the community

doesn't rise up to do this and other huge projects on its own.

2. Passing the torch to the next group of leaders: as noted a few weeks ago,

my active time with the community is slowly coming to a close. I believe

this is a great opportunity to find and teach the next group of leaders, and

one way to do so is giving them something to practice their skills, and

leading a huge project from start to finish is a good exercise. This is one

of the reasons why I don't involve myself a lot with NVDACon planning

recently, because I do know that current organizers can do a much better job

at organizing this gathering. Same could be set about transcriptions:

although some guidance is needed in the beginning, I believe that the

community is more than ready to tackle this from start to finish: producing

a high quality text transcription of the tutorial set.

3. Personal: I carry out some important community duties on top of being a

student and a speech and debate competitor (with trophies under my belt,

including several first place finishes and being qualified to go to national

tournaments). If you thought I am just an NVDA Expert because I can answer

questions with detailed guesses at midnight or seem to possess encyclopedic

knowledge about NVDA source code, I'd like you to sincerely think again,

taking into consideration who I really am: a student volunteer. Given that

academics takes highest of highest of priorities, I dare not go through

another project that'll drain me (this is the biggest regret I have about

producing the audio tutorial set when I should have been taking breaks).

To be blunt (sorry for coming across as too harsh): I usually don't say this

in public, but I believe it must be said before it is too late: an

accomplishment without a spark and a flame is nothing. That is, if you just

wish for things to happen without acting on it, it would have been better to

not wish it in the first place. One of the reasons why I felt burnt out from

this community (especially during tutorial set production) is people's

tendency to ask without acting on that wish, and a persistent attitude that

one must wait for a savior to give guidance without taking the initiative to

think progress and search for things on one's own. And I'm afraid that

either I have contributed to this problem, or that we are not heeding this

and similar criticisms. Thus, before we go any further (such as downloading

the book format one cannot read right now), I sincerely advise you to heed

this criticism for once, because without doing so, we won't see much

progress; I think it would be helpful for us (as a community) to assess what

we're doing, our attitudes, and what we need to do in the future, so that we

can be a much better community: a community where people can answer each

other with more confidence.

Hope this helps. I do know that my post may come across as harsh, and may

not have answered your questions. But I believe that there are more

important matters to think about, more important than text transcription of

Welcome to NVDA 2018 that'll have profound effect on this community and

beyond.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:33 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

will a text version be created?

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rick" <softwarethatworks@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

 

> What I fail to understand is, if you do not have access to software or a

> device that supports Daisy format, why you would download the Daisy format

> of the tutorial. It's like buying Vinyl records when you do not have a

> turntable and only have a CD player. It's just stupid. The tutorial from

> Joseph's site is in MP3 format and is great for media players. The Daisy

> format is for people with "Daisy players. Period. Choose the format that

> works best for your situation.

> Rick

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun

> Everiss

> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:34 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

> Well if they are numbered fine I have actually resorted to my media player

> to do the reading.

> Ofcause due to structure daisy book files can be in little bits to.

> On 10/02/2018 11:33 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

>> Hi,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I did find them as mp3 files. I don't have a device like the victor

>> stream or plex-talk to be able to jump from section to section.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:23 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA

>> 2018

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> The audio recordings are in mp3 format, which may explain why this

>> isn't working.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:16 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA

>> 2018

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi, Joseph,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to

>> have a special player or is this a word document?

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Rosemarie

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi everyone,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind,

>> an audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now

>> available

>> from:

>> 

>> http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph

>> _lee.z

>> ip

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up

>> to date.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this

>> tutorial set on physical media for a fee.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Enjoy.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




--

Derek Riemer: Improving the world one byte at a time!

·         University of Colorado Boulder Department of computer science, 4th year undergraduate student.

·         Accessibility enthusiast.

·         Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.

·         Open source enthusiast.

·         Skier.

Personal website

 


Re: about taskmanager

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Yes. I’m sorry. It’s my mistake, mostly. This is a (rare) case of a program that seems to work much better with JAWS than it does with NVDA. I thought I had used it with NVDA before, but I use both screen-readers (still quite new to NVDA in fact) and sometimes my internal wires get crossed. I’m sure you could still use the program with nVDA, but arrowing through the list of tasks, for example, currently does not give any speech feedback with nVDA. I apologise for steering people wrong on this list.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: February 11, 2018 7:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Nobody simply said the program doesn't work. Everybody who said it didn't work, mentioned that it doesn't work with NVDA. My message was the first one in this thread to say that it doesn't work and I specifically mentioned NVDA. I quote from my original message:

"Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all."

 

Kind regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 1:42 PM, Dennis L wrote:

I wasn't trying to bring other screen readers into it.  However you said the program didn't work.  That is simply not true.  it's a NVDA issue clearly.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Yes you are correct – If I switch to Jaws the list of processes become readable.

When I switch back to NVDA all I hear is Pane when I try to navigate to the same window.

Slightly odd.

David Griffith.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Dennis L
Sent: 11 February 2018 10:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

the program works fine with Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: about taskmanager

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

    Hi where do you get this program from?

And is it free and easy to install?

One last thing what do you need to do when you install it and use it?

One last thing what do you all need to do to use the program and set it up?




On 2/11/2018 6:40 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Nobody simply said the program doesn't work. Everybody who said it didn't work, mentioned that it doesn't work with NVDA. My message was the first one in this thread to say that it doesn't work and I specifically mentioned NVDA. I quote from my original message:

"Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all."


Kind regards


Christo


 

On 2018/02/11 1:42 PM, Dennis L wrote:
I wasn't trying to bring other screen readers into it.  However you said the program didn't work.  That is simply not true.  it's a NVDA issue clearly.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

Yes you are correct – If I switch to Jaws the list of processes become readable.

When I switch back to NVDA all I hear is Pane when I try to navigate to the same window.

Slightly odd.

David Griffith.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Dennis L
Sent: 11 February 2018 10:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

the program works fine with Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 



-- 

Casey


Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

Adriani Botez
 

You could try to scan your system with malware bytes. I had some similar problems which have been solved after scanning and deleting the corrupted files as shown in malware bytes.

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Gene
Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Februar 2018 16:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

 

I'm not sure how likely this is, but if it might be undetected malware, that would be of concern.  But for all we know, it's some sort of corruption of something.  You might want to investigate the malware possibility by signing up with bleeping computer and having the geeks who hang out on the site help you run various detection programs.  Even that wouldn't rule out the possibility but it would be a more thorough detection protocol than most people do.  You may need sighted help to do some of the things they will want you to do. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:20 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

 

However, one issue is that it may well be a symptom of a more serious
problem. I'd feel very irked at such a weird situation and simply have to
find a reason.
 The other day I had to remove the dreaded Avast from a system which had
acquired it via a ccleaner download, and although it seems to have worked
well, now when certain programs are run, the computer actually restarts
itself. Numerous tests suggest all is as it was and even bring it back to
before installation of avast  makes it do the same thing.Luckily these
pieces of software are system tools by third parties so not really an issue
most of the time, but it does make one realise how many weird ways there are
to run-in a perfectly working system.

Short of a complete re install of everything there is probably no way to fix
it as it is the diagnostic tools that cause the crashes.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


I'm sorry you are spending so much time trying to solve the problem.  I
think that, rather than continuing to try to solve it, it makes much more
sense to open the program without NVDA running, then just leave it opened.

Of course, it's up to you how much time you want to spend solving what is a
minor annoyance, I wouldn't have spent much time on it at all, myself.
There are some problems that, in my opinion, aren't worth spending time
trying to solve when there is an easy work around.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Dear All,

Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have
made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my
Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has
been tried--all without success:

1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the
NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs.
2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I
noticed the problem.
3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process.

Warmly,
Ralph






Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

Gene
 

I'm not sure how likely this is, but if it might be undetected malware, that would be of concern.  But for all we know, it's some sort of corruption of something.  You might want to investigate the malware possibility by signing up with bleeping computer and having the geeks who hang out on the site help you run various detection programs.  Even that wouldn't rule out the possibility but it would be a more thorough detection protocol than most people do.  You may need sighted help to do some of the things they will want you to do. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

However, one issue is that it may well be a symptom of a more serious
problem. I'd feel very irked at such a weird situation and simply have to
find a reason.
 The other day I had to remove the dreaded Avast from a system which had
acquired it via a ccleaner download, and although it seems to have worked
well, now when certain programs are run, the computer actually restarts
itself. Numerous tests suggest all is as it was and even bring it back to
before installation of avast  makes it do the same thing.Luckily these
pieces of software are system tools by third parties so not really an issue
most of the time, but it does make one realise how many weird ways there are
to run-in a perfectly working system.

Short of a complete re install of everything there is probably no way to fix
it as it is the diagnostic tools that cause the crashes.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


I'm sorry you are spending so much time trying to solve the problem.  I
think that, rather than continuing to try to solve it, it makes much more
sense to open the program without NVDA running, then just leave it opened.

Of course, it's up to you how much time you want to spend solving what is a
minor annoyance, I wouldn't have spent much time on it at all, myself.
There are some problems that, in my opinion, aren't worth spending time
trying to solve when there is an easy work around.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Dear All,

Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have
made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my
Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has
been tried--all without success:

1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the
NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs.
2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I
noticed the problem.
3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process.

Warmly,
Ralph







Re: Google drive again

 

hi brian.
do you mean that google drive can be used on xp again?
i did not test it until now, but in many different programs, i recieve
the error which you mentioned.

'if you were in the middle of something' the application that you worked on it,
i dont remember the rest of error completely.
but i recieve this error very often!
do you mean that this is an error special for windows xp?
do users of other windows recieve this error?
etc.
God bless you all.

On 2/10/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Strangely this morning Google drive has come back to xp again, using the old

google drive software, not the new one which crashes with that wonderful
'if you were in the middle of something' error so beloved of xp users!

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Re: conflict with apps using the NVDA key

Adriani Botez
 

Hello Didier,

you could set a configuration profile for those apps which triggers only when you come across them. In that profile, you could disable "use capslock key as NVDA key" in keyboard settings. It should work.


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von
Didier Colle
Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Februar 2018 15:21
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] conflict with apps using the NVDA key

Hi all,


I am pretty happy running emacspeak in a linux gentoo system as a virtualbox
guest on my windows system.

I run the X version launched by the cygwin startxwin command as follows:
"startxwin `which ssh` -XY dcolle@localhost emacs -- -multiwindow"

This has the advantage that I am not bothered with the lag while typing in the
cygwin shell, good clipboard integration between both environments, and I
am not bothered with the virtualbox guest modifier keys.

That works great in combination with NVDA for the host environment.


Until now I have been using the windows host for webbrowsing and pdf file
reading. Now I want to try this in the gentoo vbox environment (that recently
there have been problems with firefox is no coincidence; even ff58 does not
run always flawlessly).

My intention is to launch firefox or evince from the cmd-line in the emacspeak
environment; to make them accessible I would need the orca screen reader.

Orca uses caps-lock as modifier in laptop layout (and insert in desktop
layout): the same modifier keys as NVDA is using.


I guess that will not work nicely together. (I have still to experiment).

Thus my general question: how to deal with apps using themself modifier
keys identical to those used by NVDA? Is it possible to avoid NVDA
consuming such key combinations while in certain apps?


Thanks a lot and kind regards,


Didier



conflict with apps using the NVDA key

Didier Colle
 

Hi all,


I am pretty happy running emacspeak in a linux gentoo system as a virtualbox guest on my windows system.

I run the X version launched by the cygwin startxwin command as follows: "startxwin `which ssh` -XY dcolle@localhost emacs -- -multiwindow"

This has the advantage that I am not bothered with the lag while typing in the cygwin shell, good clipboard integration between both environments, and I am not bothered with the virtualbox guest modifier keys.

That works great in combination with NVDA for the host environment.


Until now I have been using the windows host for webbrowsing and pdf file reading. Now I want to try this in the gentoo vbox environment (that recently there have been problems with firefox is no coincidence; even ff58 does not run always flawlessly).

My intention is to launch firefox or evince from the cmd-line in the emacspeak environment; to make them accessible I would need the orca screen reader.

Orca uses caps-lock as modifier in laptop layout (and insert in desktop layout): the same modifier keys as NVDA is using.


I guess that will not work nicely together. (I have still to experiment).

Thus my general question: how to deal with apps using themself modifier keys identical to those used by NVDA? Is it possible to avoid NVDA consuming such key combinations while in certain apps?


Thanks a lot and kind regards,


Didier