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Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

chester michael <chet_smalley@...>
 

Greetings,

I disabled a soundcard, yes, there were two running, and now, things are fine.

Thank you to all of you who answered so quickly!

On 02/12/2018 11:35 AM, The Wolf wrote:

Hello

try removing jaws 2018 and see if that fixes the issue

the problem I was running in to was a dll issue but removing jaws 2018 and just running jaws18 has seemed to fix the problem

hth
Hank

On 2/12/2018 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:
Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about the problem, his screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may not be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if you are currently running JAWS 2018.  It is a message he sent the list two or three weeks ago.  You can have as many copies of JAWS on your machine as you wish so you can try this and see if it solves the problem.  If not, you can try other things others have suggested.  I'm not optimistic about this trial and error method but you never know.  But doing what is discussed in the below quoted message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave two copies of JAWS on your machine.  I think that if you install another copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as control j for whatever version you want to be able to run in that way.  I believe that if you have a current shortcut, it will be removed but you will have to check about that.
Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up and whatever other commands there are that are relevant.  But I wouldn't have JAWS 2018 run for now.  I wouldn't run it either during testing.  Just have JAWS 18 run.  Then see if you can run NVDA.  Try running the NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running.  If it doesn't run, you can see if there is an error message.  If it runs, you will either have two screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will be smart enough to unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready to talk.
The message is below my signature.
Gene
Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18 along with jaws 2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error message
not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018 dll issue with nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the issue fixed for now but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if not then I think a bug needs to be filed.
if I am the only one running in to this issue  what can I do to help track this issue?
Hank
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That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go? System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything.
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.
Gene
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Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
 Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
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From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

  Hello,
  I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
  I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
  Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
  I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
  Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
  At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
  In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
  So what is wrong?
  My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
  One other thing:
  I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
  Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
  I guess my basic question is this:
  why won't NVDA run on its own??
  In advance, Many thanks.

  Regards,
  Chet






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Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Gene
 

I'm not being unfair.  I don't object to Zara using XP and I didn't say I do.  I made my comments because Zara said she doesn't use any antimalware programs because she doesn't trust any of them.  In addition to her statement, I know from other messages that she is using XP and she is using a version of Firefox that isn't receiving security updates.  One security risk piled on another piled on another.  If Zara has JAVA scripts disabled, that will give her a good deal of protection on the Internet.  But in today's security environment, not using antimalware protection is, to understate the case, a very bad idea.
 
Gene

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Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

I feel you are being a little unfair. I have no issue with people wanting to
use older systems, but I do feel that it does pay to know the risks. There
will always be niche users, but XP is still being used by one heck of a lot
of people out there, despite all you say. its a fact, I see it every day and
its exactly why I keep a couple of machines running it here to just see what
state the choices of what you can use are in now.


I also agree of course that many many sites and programs are suspect and
full of holes or infected with goodness only knows what. One has to live
with some risk but it can be reduced.
 I don't think being dismissive of people is the way to get change, myself.
 Brian

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Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


It's unfortunate you have such a well developed ability to ignore facts and
real situations and possibilities.  Malware can attack your computer without
you doing anything incorrect.  there is a growing problem of malware
infesting hacked ads even on the most reputable sites.  So you trust malware
makers not to attack your computer without your knowledge more than you
trust reputable malware companies to gibve you some amount of meaningful
protection?  There are malware program manufacturers that are reputable and
very highly thought of.  Not trusting anyone in the context you speak of is
irrational and ignores well established facts.  And to make matters worse,
you are using a vulnerable version of Windows and an an increasingly aging
browser that won't have any security updates for XP users in about six
months if you use the ESR version.  You are also not using the ESR version
as far as I know which means your browser is increasingly vulnerable because
it hasn't received updates in quite some time.

Are you at least disabling JAVA scripts unless they are needed?  That will
give you quite a bit of protection on the Internet.

As I said, your ability to completely ignore facts is unfortunate and
evidently, well entrenched.

Gene
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From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


hello.
i dont use such program and dont trust anyone.

On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote:
> Hello XP Users,
>
> May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use?
>
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>
> Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here
> in
> the homw of old tech.
> They do what they do well enough.
> Brian
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> From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>
>
> Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in
> 2016,
> when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and
> stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on
> Windows 10 at work.
>
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>
> I think the question has to be, does the  old version of Skype, the one
> used
> by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one?
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> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>
>
> Hi,
> The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
> Byrne
> Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>
> What is the universal skype app???
> At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote:
>
>>I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't
>>knock it till you try it guys.
>>
>>On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote:
>>>I use the universal Skype app all the time.
>>>Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key
>>>commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop
>>>program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome.
>>>Have a great one, guys!
>>>Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for
>>>Windows 10
>>>From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee
>>>Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM
>>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>>>ย
>>>Hi,
>>>Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to
>>>conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
>>>Cheers,
>>>Joseph
>>>ย
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From:
>>><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
>>>Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
>>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>>>ย
>>>That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme,
>>>really. Come on Microsoft.
>>>ย
>>>ย
>>>ย
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From:
>>><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
>>>Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
>>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>>>ย
>>>In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way
>>>to use it really.
>>>ย
>>>ย
>>>On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
>>> >ย
>>> > Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
>>> >because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
>>> >tabbing between options.
>>> >ย
>>> >ย
>>> > On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> >>ย
>>> >> Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version
>>> >>here  in a bit.
>>> >>ย
>>> >>ย
>>> >> On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>> OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>> I'll give it a try.
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>> On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
>>> >>>>ย
>>> >>>> The same way you uninstall any program:
>>> >>>>ย
>>> >>>> Press your Windows key and type remove ย  Arrow down to "Add and
>>> >>>>Remove Programs and press Enter ย  Arrow down to Skype in the
>>> >>>>list of programs ย  Press your applications key and arrow down to
>>> >>>>remove and press  Enter ย ย ย  On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM,
>>> >>>>Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> >>>>>ย
>>> >>>>> So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
>>> >>>>>universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
>>> >>>>>rescue. LOL!
>>> >>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>ย
>>> >>>>> On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote:
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>> Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>> Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
>>> >>>>>>7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
>>> >>>>>>without problems some weeks ago.
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>> Regards.
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>> Ivรกn Novegil Cancelas
>>> >>>>>> Editor
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@...
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>> Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es
>>> >>>>>>-www.NVDA.es ย  Usuario do NVDA en galego ย  ***Note que a
>>> >>>>>>anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter
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>>> mensaxe.*** O 06/01/2018 รก(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu:
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>> Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10
>>> >>>>>>>as  well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of
> Skype.
>>> >>>>>>> Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
>>> >>>>>>>prefer it.
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>> I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people
>>> >>>>>>>seem  to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I
>>> >>>>>>>can get  that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and
>>> >>>>>>>get rid of  the classic version, that would be fantastic!
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>> On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>> Rich,
>>> >>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>> Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
>>> >>>>>>>>classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
>>> >>>>>>>>installation, you will get two skype
>>> versions after installation of the classic version.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky
>>> pe-full
>>> >>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, Marten
>>> >>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000
>>> "Brian's Mail list account via
>>> Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon
>>> der.co.uk@groups.io>ย
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>> I've never had it force an update on
>>> windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย ย  I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
>>> >>>>>>>>> However there does seem to have been
>>> a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I
>>> hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the
>>> tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back
>>> afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย ย  Brian
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@...
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>>> >>>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
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>>> >>>>>>>>> in the display name field.
>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...>
>>> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
>>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>> I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
>>> >>>>>>>>> Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
>>> >>>>>>>>>Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
>>> >>>>>>>>>Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
>>> >>>>>>>>>could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
>>> >>>>>>>>>that  I previously used would work. I received a call from a
>>> >>>>>>>>>friend  right after this forced installation and could not
>>> >>>>>>>>>answer it,  because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
>>> >>>>>>>>>answering a call  was useless, as were all other previous
>>> >>>>>>>>>shortcut keys. What is  the solution to this problem. I
>>> >>>>>>>>>totally uninstalled Skype for  now. Do we give up on Skype
>>> >>>>>>>>>as NVDA
>>> users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat
>>> program?
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>> -- Rich De Steno
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>> --
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>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>ย
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> >>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>>> >>>>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org
>>> >>>>> (980) 500-9575X401
>>> >>>>ย
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Rich De Steno
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Christopher Gilland
>>> >>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>>> >>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org
>>> >>> (980) 500-9575X401
>>> >>ย
>>> >> --
>>> >> Christopher Gilland
>>> >> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>>> >><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org
>>> >> (980) 500-9575X401
>>> >ย
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Re: Serious issue with last two NVDA snapshots

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I cannot find the original report of this thread, but I have had no issues with recent snaps on 64 bit machines. Maybe some dependency has been removed. Often if you are updating though the old file is still present and its only when a new copy in a completely deleted installation is made that problems in add ons show up that were masked before.
The main cases of this was during the removal of the nvda service when xp support was removed.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cohn, Jonathan" <jcohn@air.org>
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Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious issue with last two NVDA snapshots


That error sounds like something with the NVDA remote addin. What happens if you disable the addon?



On 2/10/18, 8:10 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Christo de Klerk" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of christodeklerk@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all

When I installed the last two NVDA master snapshots on my 64 bit Lenovo,
I have run into the following problem: When I start NVDA, an error
message comes up with the title: "nvdaHelperRemote
(outprocMgrThreadFunc)" and the text in the dialog is: "Error
registering focus winEvent hook". There is only an Ok button. When I Ok
the dialog, NVDA works, except there is no browse mode which makes using
apps like a web browser impossible. I had to fall back to an earlier
snapshot where everything works again. I can add that this problem
happens only on my 64 bit computer and not on the 32 bit.

Any thoughts/advice please? I hope the developers are noting this.

Kind regards

Christo









Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

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There are a number of outlook 2016 threads on the issues list on github, might be a good idea to go and look. One question being asked is can you make sure you have the latest version and updates for outlook 2016, as there are builds that were unstable.
Just thought I'd mention it.
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Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Ralph,

Have you tried starting outlook in safe mode? If not, try going to the run
box with windows key + r and then typing outlook --safe

See if you are able to start outlook then.

Pranav



Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

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I feel you are being a little unfair. I have no issue with people wanting to use older systems, but I do feel that it does pay to know the risks. There will always be niche users, but XP is still being used by one heck of a lot of people out there, despite all you say. its a fact, I see it every day and its exactly why I keep a couple of machines running it here to just see what state the choices of what you can use are in now.


I also agree of course that many many sites and programs are suspect and full of holes or infected with goodness only knows what. One has to live with some risk but it can be reduced.
I don't think being dismissive of people is the way to get change, myself.
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It's unfortunate you have such a well developed ability to ignore facts and real situations and possibilities. Malware can attack your computer without you doing anything incorrect. there is a growing problem of malware infesting hacked ads even on the most reputable sites. So you trust malware makers not to attack your computer without your knowledge more than you trust reputable malware companies to gibve you some amount of meaningful protection? There are malware program manufacturers that are reputable and very highly thought of. Not trusting anyone in the context you speak of is irrational and ignores well established facts. And to make matters worse, you are using a vulnerable version of Windows and an an increasingly aging browser that won't have any security updates for XP users in about six months if you use the ESR version. You are also not using the ESR version as far as I know which means your browser is increasingly vulnerable because it hasn't received updates in quite some time.

Are you at least disabling JAVA scripts unless they are needed? That will give you quite a bit of protection on the Internet.

As I said, your ability to completely ignore facts is unfortunate and evidently, well entrenched.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


hello.
i dont use such program and dont trust anyone.

On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello XP Users,

May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use?

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Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here in
the homw of old tech.
They do what they do well enough.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in
2016,
when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and
stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on
Windows 10 at work.

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I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one
used
by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one?
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Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Hi,
The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Byrne
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

What is the universal skype app???
At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote:

I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't
knock it till you try it guys.

On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote:
I use the universal Skype app all the time.
Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key
commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop
program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome.
Have a great one, guys!
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Windows 10
From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to
conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme,
really. Come on Microsoft.



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Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way
to use it really.


On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version
here in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:

The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove ย Arrow down to "Add and
Remove Programs and press Enter ย Arrow down to Skype in the
list of programs ย Press your applications key and arrow down to
remove and press Enter ย ย ย On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM,
Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote:

Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

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Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10
as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of
Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people
seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I
can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and
get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype
versions after installation of the classic version.
<http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky
pe-full

Regards, Marten

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I've never had it force an update on
windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
ย ย I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been
a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I
hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the
tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back
afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
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Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend right after this forced installation and could not
answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype
as NVDA
users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat
program?

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Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

 

Hello

try removing jaws 2018 and see if that fixes the issue

the problem I was running in to was a dll issue but removing jaws 2018 and just running jaws18 has seemed to fix the problem

hth
Hank

On 2/12/2018 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:
Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about the problem, his screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may not be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if you are currently running JAWS 2018.  It is a message he sent the list two or three weeks ago.  You can have as many copies of JAWS on your machine as you wish so you can try this and see if it solves the problem.  If not, you can try other things others have suggested.  I'm not optimistic about this trial and error method but you never know.  But doing what is discussed in the below quoted message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave two copies of JAWS on your machine.  I think that if you install another copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as control j for whatever version you want to be able to run in that way.  I believe that if you have a current shortcut, it will be removed but you will have to check about that. 
 
Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up and whatever other commands there are that are relevant.  But I wouldn't have JAWS 2018 run for now.  I wouldn't run it either during testing.  Just have JAWS 18 run.  Then see if you can run NVDA.  Try running the NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running.  If it doesn't run, you can see if there is an error message.  If it runs, you will either have two screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will be smart enough to unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready to talk.
 
The message is below my signature.
 
Gene
 
Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18 along with jaws 2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error message
 
not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018 dll issue with nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
 
something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the issue fixed for now but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if not then I think a bug needs to be filed.
 
if I am the only one running in to this issue  what can I do to help track this issue?
 
Hank
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go?  System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything. 
 
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
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From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




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On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

  Hello,
  I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
  I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
  Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
  I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
  Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
  At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
  In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
  So what is wrong?
  My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
  One other thing:
  I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
  Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
  I guess my basic question is this:
  why won't NVDA run on its own??
  In advance, Many thanks.

  Regards,
  Chet






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Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Gene
 

Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about the problem, his screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may not be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if you are currently running JAWS 2018.  It is a message he sent the list two or three weeks ago.  You can have as many copies of JAWS on your machine as you wish so you can try this and see if it solves the problem.  If not, you can try other things others have suggested.  I'm not optimistic about this trial and error method but you never know.  But doing what is discussed in the below quoted message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave two copies of JAWS on your machine.  I think that if you install another copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as control j for whatever version you want to be able to run in that way.  I believe that if you have a current shortcut, it will be removed but you will have to check about that. 
 
Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up and whatever other commands there are that are relevant.  But I wouldn't have JAWS 2018 run for now.  I wouldn't run it either during testing.  Just have JAWS 18 run.  Then see if you can run NVDA.  Try running the NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running.  If it doesn't run, you can see if there is an error message.  If it runs, you will either have two screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will be smart enough to unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready to talk.
 
The message is below my signature.
 
Gene
 
Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18 along with jaws 2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error message
 
not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018 dll issue with nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
 
something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the issue fixed for now but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if not then I think a bug needs to be filed.
 
if I am the only one running in to this issue  what can I do to help track this issue?
 
Hank

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go?  System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything. 
 
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

  Hello,
  I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
  I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
  Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
  I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
  Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
  At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
  In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
  So what is wrong?
  My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
  One other thing:
  I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
  Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
  I guess my basic question is this:
  why won't NVDA run on its own??
  In advance, Many thanks.

  Regards,
  Chet






--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.




Version 18.02.1 emergency patch for Windows 10 App Essentils and StationPlaylist Studio add-ons posted #addonrelease

 

Hi everyone,

 

The following bulletin is applicable for people using recent NVDA next snapshots. For those running master snapshots or 2017.4 (or older releases), you can ignore this:

 

For people using Windows 10 App Essentials and/or StationPlaylist Studio: when add-on updates appear and after saying “yes”, NVDA may play an error sound and add-on won’t be updated. This is caused by changes to NVDA’s own update downer as part of changes in recent NVDA next snapshots. An emergency patch is now available to correct this problem, and you need to apply this manually.

 

To apply this patch:

 

  1. Go to addons.nvda-project.org.
  2. Locate the add-on entry (or more than one) you are using. For example, if you only have Windows 10 App Essentials, please locate the entry for this add-on. After locating the entries, select it.
  3. Once the add-on page opens, select stable version link.
  4. Either install the add-on directly (by choosing to open the file), or save the package and install it manually.
  5. If you were using add-on snapshots, after installing 18.02.1, you’ll be prompted to install the February 12th snapshot for the add-on9s) you were using. Go ahead and install the new development snapshot, as add-on snapshots were also updated to include this patch.

 

To check which version of NVDA you’ve got, go to NVDA menu/Help/About. If the version text is of the form “next-xxxxx,hash”, then this patch is applicable to you.

 

Important note for SPL add-on users using 15.x LTS releases: no update at this time, so you can ignore this.

 

Thank you, and sorry for the inconvenience.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Serious issue with last two NVDA snapshots

Jonathan COHN
 

That error sounds like something with the NVDA remote addin. What happens if you disable the addon?



On 2/10/18, 8:10 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Christo de Klerk" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of christodeklerk@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all

When I installed the last two NVDA master snapshots on my 64 bit Lenovo,
I have run into the following problem: When I start NVDA, an error
message comes up with the title: "nvdaHelperRemote
(outprocMgrThreadFunc)" and the text in the dialog is: "Error
registering focus winEvent hook". There is only an Ok button. When I Ok
the dialog, NVDA works, except there is no browse mode which makes using
apps like a web browser impossible. I had to fall back to an earlier
snapshot where everything works again. I can add that this problem
happens only on my 64 bit computer and not on the 32 bit.

Any thoughts/advice please? I hope the developers are noting this.

Kind regards

Christo


Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Gene
 

That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go?  System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything. 
 
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

  Hello,
  I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
  I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
  Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
  I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
  Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
  At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
  In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
  So what is wrong?
  My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
  One other thing:
  I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
  Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
  I guess my basic question is this:
  why won't NVDA run on its own??
  In advance, Many thanks.

  Regards,
  Chet






--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.




Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Gene
 

I don't think any of this will work.  It sounds as though it is the same problem I saw discussed here before.  This is the first time the person has used NVDA.  The person is a new NVDA user.  If he had used it before, he wouldn't have said, > I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer."  The person would have run the talking installer since it runs automatically. 
 
I wouldn't do anything until we see if the person who had what appears to be the same problem responds to the thread.  If that doesn't happen in a day or two, I'm not sure what the next step should be.  You can spend a good deal of time trying all sorts of things and not solve anything if the problem is what I think it is.  If it isn't, then some of this trial and error may be in order.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

I think you have got yourself muddled by trying too many changes at once.
 1. take your machine back via system restore to before your first attempt
at loading nvda. make sure your jaws functions correctly.
2. Try running the archive of nvda and see if nvda then mostly works, ie you
can bring up the menu and all of that stuff.
Turn off Jaws.
3 Check that nvda is still working with the espeak voice it has by default.
4.  Now do an install.
 There is nothing really for it to talk to you about, since the only screen
you need speech for is the main one which allows limited options important
for when nvda starts. For now at least say do not start when computer
starts. Once its installed you should hear the rising tones as it reboots in
when you do the right alt n key and everything should be working including
the menus and property sheets with the default synth.
5. Now you can if you want explore the synths available or the voice
variants in espeak etc. Once you have got the basics working save the
settings.
 6.  here I'd also suggest you create a portable version in a folder you can
easily get to, this will also allow all currently set parameters to be saved
so you have a back up of your configuration.
 7. Now come out of nvda with insert/q and then try your jaws. make sure it
still works OK.
If all is well then there is no problem. Try a complete windows restart and
check that jaws starts and that you can shut it down and start nvda with the
shortcut. if it works all is fine.
 Basically if anything fails during this, then let us know the details on
here.
 It is I suppose possibly its avg, but I have not had recent experience of
it. I rather tend to use Microsoft's own solution with a manually run
malware remover every week or so, just in case myself.
 It could be any other sort of security software as well, but one would hope
a message might come up and tell you of a problem in that case.
 If using Windows 10, it can be very handy to invoke narrator and see if it
spots anything neither screenreader is showing you while you diagnose the
issue. many people seem to think nvda has not installed simply because it
installs with very few choices, as all the configuring is done after the
install, as and whey you feel the need.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "chester michael" <chet_smalley@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:13 PM
Subject: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


> Hello,
> I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
> of Pennsylvania.
> I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
> Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
> presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
> I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
> and received no response from the program, at all.
> Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
> launched NVDA.
> At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
> navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
> voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
> believe comes with NVDA.
> In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
> voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
> functional, at all.
> So what is wrong?
> My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
> degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS
> and its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
> One other thing:
> I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
> installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
> course.
> Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
> received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
> was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
> was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in
> order for a semblance of NVDA to appear
> I guess my basic question is this:
> why won't NVDA run on its own??
> In advance, Many thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Chet
>
>
>




Re: Keyboard Conflict with an Addon

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

What add ons are installed would be a start, together with the combination you are attempting to use?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hermann-Josef Kurzen" <ymh005@gmx.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:23 AM
Subject: [nvda] Keyboard Conflict with an Addon


Hi there,

there is a keyboard conflict with an addon.
When I press the hotkey for an addon, the function of the wrong - not wanted - addon- is called.

Are there any possibilities, to find out, which addon is called?

Greetings - Hermann


Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted and proceeding step by step.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking installer doesn't talk. Since the talking installer is actually the portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem. Something is keeping NVDA from running. It's not that the talking installer just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear
I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet






--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

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I think you have got yourself muddled by trying too many changes at once.
1. take your machine back via system restore to before your first attempt at loading nvda. make sure your jaws functions correctly.
2. Try running the archive of nvda and see if nvda then mostly works, ie you can bring up the menu and all of that stuff.
Turn off Jaws.
3 Check that nvda is still working with the espeak voice it has by default.
4. Now do an install.
There is nothing really for it to talk to you about, since the only screen you need speech for is the main one which allows limited options important for when nvda starts. For now at least say do not start when computer starts. Once its installed you should hear the rising tones as it reboots in when you do the right alt n key and everything should be working including the menus and property sheets with the default synth.
5. Now you can if you want explore the synths available or the voice variants in espeak etc. Once you have got the basics working save the settings.
6. here I'd also suggest you create a portable version in a folder you can easily get to, this will also allow all currently set parameters to be saved so you have a back up of your configuration.
7. Now come out of nvda with insert/q and then try your jaws. make sure it still works OK.
If all is well then there is no problem. Try a complete windows restart and check that jaws starts and that you can shut it down and start nvda with the shortcut. if it works all is fine.
Basically if anything fails during this, then let us know the details on here.
It is I suppose possibly its avg, but I have not had recent experience of it. I rather tend to use Microsoft's own solution with a manually run malware remover every week or so, just in case myself.
It could be any other sort of security software as well, but one would hope a message might come up and tell you of a problem in that case.
If using Windows 10, it can be very handy to invoke narrator and see if it spots anything neither screenreader is showing you while you diagnose the issue. many people seem to think nvda has not installed simply because it installs with very few choices, as all the configuring is done after the install, as and whey you feel the need.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "chester michael" <chet_smalley@neo.rr.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:13 PM
Subject: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear
I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet


Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Gene
 

It's unfortunate you have such a well developed ability to ignore facts and real situations and possibilities.  Malware can attack your computer without you doing anything incorrect.  there is a growing problem of malware infesting hacked ads even on the most reputable sites.  So you trust malware makers not to attack your computer without your knowledge more than you trust reputable malware companies to gibve you some amount of meaningful protection?  There are malware program manufacturers that are reputable and very highly thought of.  Not trusting anyone in the context you speak of is irrational and ignores well established facts.  And to make matters worse, you are using a vulnerable version of Windows and an an increasingly aging browser that won't have any security updates for XP users in about six months if you use the ESR version.  You are also not using the ESR version as far as I know which means your browser is increasingly vulnerable because it hasn't received updates in quite some time. 
 
Are you at least disabling JAVA scripts unless they are needed?  That will give you quite a bit of protection on the Internet. 
 
As I said, your ability to completely ignore facts is unfortunate and evidently, well entrenched. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

hello.
i dont use such program and dont trust anyone.

On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote:
> Hello XP Users,
>
> May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use?
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>
> Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here in
> the homw of old tech.
> They do what they do well enough.
> Brian
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> From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>
>
> Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in
> 2016,
> when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and
> stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on
> Windows 10 at work.
>
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> Mail list account via Groups.Io
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> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>
> I think the question has to be, does the  old version of Skype, the one
> used
> by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one?
> Brian
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> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>
>
> Hi,
> The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
> Byrne
> Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>
> What is the universal skype app???
> At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote:
>
>>I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't
>>knock it till you try it guys.
>>
>>On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote:
>>>I use the universal Skype app all the time.
>>>Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key
>>>commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop
>>>program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome.
>>>Have a great one, guys!
>>>Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for
>>>Windows 10
>>>From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee
>>>Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM
>>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>>>ย
>>>Hi,
>>>Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to
>>>conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
>>>Cheers,
>>>Joseph
>>>ย
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From:
>>><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
>>>Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
>>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>>>ย
>>>That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme,
>>>really. Come on Microsoft.
>>>ย
>>>ย
>>>ย
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From:
>>><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
>>>Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
>>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>>>ย
>>>In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way
>>>to use it really.
>>>ย
>>>ย
>>>On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
>>> >ย
>>> > Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
>>> >because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
>>> >tabbing between options.
>>> >ย
>>> >ย
>>> > On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> >>ย
>>> >> Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version
>>> >>here  in a bit.
>>> >>ย
>>> >>ย
>>> >> On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>> OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>> I'll give it a try.
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>> On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
>>> >>>>ย
>>> >>>> The same way you uninstall any program:
>>> >>>>ย
>>> >>>> Press your Windows key and type remove ย  Arrow down to "Add and
>>> >>>>Remove Programs and press Enter ย  Arrow down to Skype in the
>>> >>>>list of programs ย  Press your applications key and arrow down to
>>> >>>>remove and press  Enter ย ย ย  On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM,
>>> >>>>Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> >>>>>ย
>>> >>>>> So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
>>> >>>>>universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
>>> >>>>>rescue. LOL!
>>> >>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>ย
>>> >>>>> On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote:
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>> Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>> Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
>>> >>>>>>7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
>>> >>>>>>without problems some weeks ago.
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>> Regards.
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>> Ivรกn Novegil Cancelas
>>> >>>>>> Editor
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@...
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>> Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es
>>> >>>>>>-www.NVDA.es ย  Usuario do NVDA en galego ย  ***Note que a
>>> >>>>>>anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter
>>> >>>>>>informaciรณn privada ou confidencial. O
>>> emprego da informaciรณn desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estรก
>>> reservado ao รกmbito privado do destinatario agรกs autorizaciรณn do
>>> remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunรญqueo por esta
>>> mesma vรญa e destrรบa a
>>> mensaxe.*** O 06/01/2018 รก(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu:
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>> Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10
>>> >>>>>>>as  well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of
> Skype.
>>> >>>>>>> Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
>>> >>>>>>>prefer it.
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>> I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people
>>> >>>>>>>seem  to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I
>>> >>>>>>>can get  that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and
>>> >>>>>>>get rid of  the classic version, that would be fantastic!
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>> On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>> Rich,
>>> >>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>> Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
>>> >>>>>>>>classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
>>> >>>>>>>>installation, you will get two skype
>>> versions after installation of the classic version.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky
>>> pe-full
>>> >>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, Marten
>>> >>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000
>>> "Brian's Mail list account via
>>> Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon
>>> der.co.uk@groups.io>ย
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>> I've never had it force an update on
>>> windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย ย  I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
>>> >>>>>>>>> However there does seem to have been
>>> a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I
>>> hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the
>>> tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back
>>> afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย ย  Brian
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@...
>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> >>>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@...,
>>> >>>>>>>>> putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> >>>>>>>>> in the display name field.
>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...>
>>> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
>>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>> I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
>>> >>>>>>>>> Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
>>> >>>>>>>>>Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
>>> >>>>>>>>>Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
>>> >>>>>>>>>could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
>>> >>>>>>>>>that  I previously used would work. I received a call from a
>>> >>>>>>>>>friend  right after this forced installation and could not
>>> >>>>>>>>>answer it,  because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
>>> >>>>>>>>>answering a call  was useless, as were all other previous
>>> >>>>>>>>>shortcut keys. What is  the solution to this problem. I
>>> >>>>>>>>>totally uninstalled Skype for  now. Do we give up on Skype
>>> >>>>>>>>>as NVDA
>>> users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat
>>> program?
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>> -- Rich De Steno
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> >>>>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>>> >>>>>>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org
>>> >>>>>>> (980) 500-9575X401
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>ย
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> >>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>>> >>>>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org
>>> >>>>> (980) 500-9575X401
>>> >>>>ย
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Rich De Steno
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Christopher Gilland
>>> >>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>>> >>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org
>>> >>> (980) 500-9575X401
>>> >>ย
>>> >> --
>>> >> Christopher Gilland
>>> >> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>>> >><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org
>>> >> (980) 500-9575X401
>>> >ย
>>> >
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Re: suggestion for feedback

 

Well I do teach some users bits of the software, 7zip for example, however I find that if the desktop icon to whatever software I have installed is removed the user or at least users I work with don't even bother with the software.

Its in plain sight ofcause I can't deny that, but without the icons or pinned shortcuts the completely visible software is completely safe from users.

Ofcause they need to be admin or use my account which I put on all my systems I service so its not like they can just run it with my password for those that I think will try to see what it does.

Most family though doesn't bother with it.

On 12/02/2018 11:33 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Not entirely what I mean. However its dangerous to leave any software accessible to an end user without either teaching them what its for or stopping them accidentally accessing it in the first place. One has to judge by the general opinion of the persons competence which course to follow of course.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback



<grin>

Its like the tools I install on all the systems including business things I work with they are like, what is this extra software doing and what is it for.

My responce, these are tools I use to service the systems, they don't do anything by themselves, if not run, they are not a security issue, don't touch them, don't move them, they don't exist, they are for me to use.

Unless I do this people monkey with my stuff and before you know I need to reformat because people are using things and going I went into here and what does that button do I can't understand what this does.

Ofcause if A user had to use the tools in question its another issue.

All systems have ccleaner and defragler, and 7zip, and cdbxp.

But they are not for the general userbase to even bother using.



On 11/02/2018 8:48 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm not sure that this is any better for paying customers of Github. In the main I feel its to do with the ethos of programmers vs users appreciation of each others needs.
Its almost like a language barrier in which neither side understands what the other is moaning about.
I guess also its like being a teacher. A lot of people find learning hard until some teacher comes along and makes the subject more understandable by using different teaching methods.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback


Yeah I know where you are driving at.

When I was doing a test on a game, tubesim nasoft was using a system called fossle.

The system was low cost, easy to use, easy to submit, easy to brouse.

But to search, you firstly needed to know the generated id number, which well I just discarded immediately.

If you tried a general search for the issue well nothing displayed properly, and you couldn't have a hope in hell to find anything in the database.

I in the end told nick how crappy it was and he tried it and found out the same.

He was a developer so was able to get it ok but it was not a usable system for users to handle and in the end bugs were logged on the system by him after we emailed him and messages were from email.

It seems that to avoid crappy systems we have to pay for a user experience.

While I don't mind paying I think there is something abhorrently wrong in charging for an easy to understand interface.




On 9/02/2018 11:05 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The other problem with github which I forgot to mention is this.
When you want to find out if your issue already exists, the internal search seems to have been designed to not see the obvious, so to speak as almost every time I do an issue somebody piles in closed duplicate of xxxx. I do search, but increasingly I feel I'm wasting my time, as it never seems to spot anything other than stuff not related to my issue at all. Its kind of like its searching for everything but what I'm talking about!
Maybe its a programmer vs user language issue, who knows.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback


Well I think the idea is that the one field has all the suggested
information to include. Having just one field hopefully doesn't seem as
intimidating as having a dozen fields to fill in.

But if it's not working and having a dozen smaller fields (I didn't count,
just grabbed the number out of the air) would be easier, then that's
certainly something to look at.



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However it is quite daunting and needs a lot of concentration to actually
make it work for you. I guess if you were in there all the time it would
become easier. I'm not a fan of the in field suggestions either. I'd prefer
separate fields with supporting text like most forms are.That way one can
actually make sense of what should go where. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
*From:* Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:49 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback

I think GitHub issue tracking is the right tool for the purpose.



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback



Hi Rusty,



Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue)
isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue
on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*). As we use GitHub, it would
still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a
Github account. Even if we moved away from Github to another issue
tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several
things:

1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be
prioritised and followed through to completion.

2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions,
provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else
interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue.

3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place.



If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent
us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep
track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular
problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails.



The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house
developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute
code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central
repository to make that all possible. If you e-mailed me and asked for a
particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't
a high enough priority to get to immediately. It might however, be
something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like
to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but
I don't necessarily know who might be interested.



So, in short... would you like to create a github issue with your idea?
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new



Regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.

I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)

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On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows
thing as
far as I can tell.

Rusty
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On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have
a >> fix.
using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest
incarnation of
this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.

On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,

For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively
worse.
I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a
page, or
scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few
moments
and speech comes back.

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Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

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Actually as I've said before, simply reformatting is like sweeping dust under the carpet, sooner or later you will find it again.
Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Yeah had this with a system, I just reformat and it went away.

I have also had it where something was on the way out most notably the psu, or one of the fans.




On 11/02/2018 9:20 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
However, one issue is that it may well be a symptom of a more serious problem. I'd feel very irked at such a weird situation and simply have to find a reason.
The other day I had to remove the dreaded Avast from a system which had acquired it via a ccleaner download, and although it seems to have worked well, now when certain programs are run, the computer actually restarts itself. Numerous tests suggest all is as it was and even bring it back to before installation of avast makes it do the same thing.Luckily these pieces of software are system tools by third parties so not really an issue most of the time, but it does make one realise how many weird ways there are to run-in a perfectly working system.

Short of a complete re install of everything there is probably no way to fix it as it is the diagnostic tools that cause the crashes.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


I'm sorry you are spending so much time trying to solve the problem. I think that, rather than continuing to try to solve it, it makes much more sense to open the program without NVDA running, then just leave it opened.

Of course, it's up to you how much time you want to spend solving what is a minor annoyance, I wouldn't have spent much time on it at all, myself. There are some problems that, in my opinion, aren't worth spending time trying to solve when there is an easy work around.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Dear All,

Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have
made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my
Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has
been tried--all without success:

1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the
NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs.
2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I
noticed the problem.
3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process.

Warmly,
Ralph






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Re: suggestion for feedback

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Not entirely what I mean. However its dangerous to leave any software accessible to an end user without either teaching them what its for or stopping them accidentally accessing it in the first place. One has to judge by the general opinion of the persons competence which course to follow of course.
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback



<grin>

Its like the tools I install on all the systems including business things I work with they are like, what is this extra software doing and what is it for.

My responce, these are tools I use to service the systems, they don't do anything by themselves, if not run, they are not a security issue, don't touch them, don't move them, they don't exist, they are for me to use.

Unless I do this people monkey with my stuff and before you know I need to reformat because people are using things and going I went into here and what does that button do I can't understand what this does.

Ofcause if A user had to use the tools in question its another issue.

All systems have ccleaner and defragler, and 7zip, and cdbxp.

But they are not for the general userbase to even bother using.



On 11/02/2018 8:48 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm not sure that this is any better for paying customers of Github. In the main I feel its to do with the ethos of programmers vs users appreciation of each others needs.
Its almost like a language barrier in which neither side understands what the other is moaning about.
I guess also its like being a teacher. A lot of people find learning hard until some teacher comes along and makes the subject more understandable by using different teaching methods.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback


Yeah I know where you are driving at.

When I was doing a test on a game, tubesim nasoft was using a system called fossle.

The system was low cost, easy to use, easy to submit, easy to brouse.

But to search, you firstly needed to know the generated id number, which well I just discarded immediately.

If you tried a general search for the issue well nothing displayed properly, and you couldn't have a hope in hell to find anything in the database.

I in the end told nick how crappy it was and he tried it and found out the same.

He was a developer so was able to get it ok but it was not a usable system for users to handle and in the end bugs were logged on the system by him after we emailed him and messages were from email.

It seems that to avoid crappy systems we have to pay for a user experience.

While I don't mind paying I think there is something abhorrently wrong in charging for an easy to understand interface.




On 9/02/2018 11:05 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The other problem with github which I forgot to mention is this.
When you want to find out if your issue already exists, the internal search seems to have been designed to not see the obvious, so to speak as almost every time I do an issue somebody piles in closed duplicate of xxxx. I do search, but increasingly I feel I'm wasting my time, as it never seems to spot anything other than stuff not related to my issue at all. Its kind of like its searching for everything but what I'm talking about!
Maybe its a programmer vs user language issue, who knows.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback


Well I think the idea is that the one field has all the suggested
information to include. Having just one field hopefully doesn't seem as
intimidating as having a dozen fields to fill in.

But if it's not working and having a dozen smaller fields (I didn't count,
just grabbed the number out of the air) would be easier, then that's
certainly something to look at.



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However it is quite daunting and needs a lot of concentration to actually
make it work for you. I guess if you were in there all the time it would
become easier. I'm not a fan of the in field suggestions either. I'd prefer
separate fields with supporting text like most forms are.That way one can
actually make sense of what should go where. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
*From:* Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:49 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback

I think GitHub issue tracking is the right tool for the purpose.



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback



Hi Rusty,



Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue)
isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue
on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*). As we use GitHub, it would
still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a
Github account. Even if we moved away from Github to another issue
tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several
things:

1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be
prioritised and followed through to completion.

2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions,
provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else
interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue.

3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place.



If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent
us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep
track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular
problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails.



The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house
developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute
code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central
repository to make that all possible. If you e-mailed me and asked for a
particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't
a high enough priority to get to immediately. It might however, be
something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like
to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but
I don't necessarily know who might be interested.



So, in short... would you like to create a github issue with your idea?
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new



Regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.

I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)

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On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows
thing as
far as I can tell.

Rusty
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On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have
a >> fix.
using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest
incarnation of
this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.

On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,

For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few
moments
and speech comes back.

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Re: Goldwave - latest version

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Might one ask what operating system and version of goldwave and its add on you have installed?
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] Goldwave - latest version


I have noticed that it is impossible to select attributes in Goldwave when saving documents as mp3-files.

Has anyone come across this problem?


All the best from snowy and windy Iceland


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Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

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If you run hijack this please be careful what you delete, as there are no protections. You can screw things up by deleting routines that are needed.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


I'm not sure how likely this is, but if it might be undetected malware, that would be of concern. But for all we know, it's some sort of corruption of something. You might want to investigate the malware possibility by signing up with bleeping computer and having the geeks who hang out on the site help you run various detection programs. Even that wouldn't rule out the possibility but it would be a more thorough detection protocol than most people do. You may need sighted help to do some of the things they will want you to do.

Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


However, one issue is that it may well be a symptom of a more serious
problem. I'd feel very irked at such a weird situation and simply have to
find a reason.
The other day I had to remove the dreaded Avast from a system which had
acquired it via a ccleaner download, and although it seems to have worked
well, now when certain programs are run, the computer actually restarts
itself. Numerous tests suggest all is as it was and even bring it back to
before installation of avast makes it do the same thing.Luckily these
pieces of software are system tools by third parties so not really an issue
most of the time, but it does make one realise how many weird ways there are
to run-in a perfectly working system.

Short of a complete re install of everything there is probably no way to fix
it as it is the diagnostic tools that cause the crashes.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


I'm sorry you are spending so much time trying to solve the problem. I
think that, rather than continuing to try to solve it, it makes much more
sense to open the program without NVDA running, then just leave it opened.

Of course, it's up to you how much time you want to spend solving what is a
minor annoyance, I wouldn't have spent much time on it at all, myself.
There are some problems that, in my opinion, aren't worth spending time
trying to solve when there is an easy work around.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Dear All,

Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have
made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my
Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has
been tried--all without success:

1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the
NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs.
2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I
noticed the problem.
3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process.

Warmly,
Ralph