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Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost
Gene
Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about
the problem, his screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may
not be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if you are
currently running JAWS 2018. It is a message he sent the list two or three
weeks ago. You can have as many copies of JAWS on your machine as you wish
so you can try this and see if it solves the problem. If not, you can try
other things others have suggested. I'm not optimistic about this trial
and error method but you never know. But doing what is discussed in the
below quoted message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave
two copies of JAWS on your machine. I think that if you install another
copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as control j for
whatever version you want to be able to run in that way. I believe that if
you have a current shortcut, it will be removed but you will have to check about
that.
Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up
and whatever other commands there are that are relevant. But I wouldn't
have JAWS 2018 run for now. I wouldn't run it either during testing.
Just have JAWS 18 run. Then see if you can run NVDA. Try running the
NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running. If it doesn't run, you can see if
there is an error message. If it runs, you will either have two
screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will be smart enough to
unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready to talk.
The message is below my signature.
Gene
Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18
along with jaws 2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error
message
not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018
dll issue with nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I
need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the
issue fixed for now but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if
not then I think a bug needs to be filed.
if I am the only one running in to this issue
what can I do to help track this issue?
Hank
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly
lost That may be a useless procedure if the problem is
what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this
reason:
How far back should you go? System restore
only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months. Unless the
person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't
help if the problem is what I suspect it is. If it isn't. you could, of
course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without
knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known
to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything.
And if it does solve the problem, and if the
problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine
since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over? Again,
I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have
had the same problem responds.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly
lost and proceeding step by step. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking installer doesn't talk. Since the talking installer is actually the portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem. Something is keeping NVDA from running. It's not that the talking installer just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the installed version isn't. The other Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene New Zealand Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost Hi Chet NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it. NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most people would choose the first option and install it to your computer. Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick. When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt key the extended insert key or the capslock key. Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the insert key + letter Q By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3 If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also. Gene nz On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote: Hello, I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania. I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA. Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore. I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all. Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA. At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA. In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all. So what is wrong? My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work. One other thing: I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course. Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear I guess my basic question is this: why won't NVDA run on its own?? In advance, Many thanks. Regards, Chet -- Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Version 18.02.1 emergency patch for Windows 10 App Essentils and StationPlaylist Studio add-ons posted
#addonrelease
Hi everyone,
The following bulletin is applicable for people using recent NVDA next snapshots. For those running master snapshots or 2017.4 (or older releases), you can ignore this:
For people using Windows 10 App Essentials and/or StationPlaylist Studio: when add-on updates appear and after saying “yes”, NVDA may play an error sound and add-on won’t be updated. This is caused by changes to NVDA’s own update downer as part of changes in recent NVDA next snapshots. An emergency patch is now available to correct this problem, and you need to apply this manually.
To apply this patch:
To check which version of NVDA you’ve got, go to NVDA menu/Help/About. If the version text is of the form “next-xxxxx,hash”, then this patch is applicable to you.
Important note for SPL add-on users using 15.x LTS releases: no update at this time, so you can ignore this.
Thank you, and sorry for the inconvenience. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: Serious issue with last two NVDA snapshots
Jonathan COHN
That error sounds like something with the NVDA remote addin. What happens if you disable the addon?
On 2/10/18, 8:10 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Christo de Klerk" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of christodeklerk@...> wrote: Hello all When I installed the last two NVDA master snapshots on my 64 bit Lenovo, I have run into the following problem: When I start NVDA, an error message comes up with the title: "nvdaHelperRemote (outprocMgrThreadFunc)" and the text in the dialog is: "Error registering focus winEvent hook". There is only an Ok button. When I Ok the dialog, NVDA works, except there is no browse mode which makes using apps like a web browser impossible. I had to fall back to an earlier snapshot where everything works again. I can add that this problem happens only on my 64 bit computer and not on the 32 bit. Any thoughts/advice please? I hope the developers are noting this. Kind regards Christo
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Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost
Gene
That may be a useless procedure if the problem is
what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this
reason:
How far back should you go? System restore
only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months. Unless the
person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't
help if the problem is what I suspect it is. If it isn't. you could, of
course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without
knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known
to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything.
And if it does solve the problem, and if the
problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine
since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over? Again,
I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have
had the same problem responds.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly
lost and proceeding step by step. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking installer doesn't talk. Since the talking installer is actually the portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem. Something is keeping NVDA from running. It's not that the talking installer just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the installed version isn't. The other Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene New Zealand Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost Hi Chet NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it. NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most people would choose the first option and install it to your computer. Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick. When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt key the extended insert key or the capslock key. Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the insert key + letter Q By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3 If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also. Gene nz On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote: Hello, I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania. I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA. Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore. I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all. Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA. At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA. In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all. So what is wrong? My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work. One other thing: I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course. Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear I guess my basic question is this: why won't NVDA run on its own?? In advance, Many thanks. Regards, Chet -- Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost
Gene
I don't think any of this will work. It
sounds as though it is the same problem I saw discussed here before. This
is the first time the person has used NVDA. The person is a new NVDA
user. If he had used it before, he wouldn't have said, > I was under
the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer." The
person would have run the talking installer since it runs automatically.
I wouldn't do anything until we see if the person
who had what appears to be the same problem responds to the thread. If
that doesn't happen in a day or two, I'm not sure what the next step should
be. You can spend a good deal of time trying all sorts of things and not
solve anything if the problem is what I think it is. If it isn't, then
some of this trial and error may be in order.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly
lost 1. take your machine back via system restore to before your first attempt at loading nvda. make sure your jaws functions correctly. 2. Try running the archive of nvda and see if nvda then mostly works, ie you can bring up the menu and all of that stuff. Turn off Jaws. 3 Check that nvda is still working with the espeak voice it has by default. 4. Now do an install. There is nothing really for it to talk to you about, since the only screen you need speech for is the main one which allows limited options important for when nvda starts. For now at least say do not start when computer starts. Once its installed you should hear the rising tones as it reboots in when you do the right alt n key and everything should be working including the menus and property sheets with the default synth. 5. Now you can if you want explore the synths available or the voice variants in espeak etc. Once you have got the basics working save the settings. 6. here I'd also suggest you create a portable version in a folder you can easily get to, this will also allow all currently set parameters to be saved so you have a back up of your configuration. 7. Now come out of nvda with insert/q and then try your jaws. make sure it still works OK. If all is well then there is no problem. Try a complete windows restart and check that jaws starts and that you can shut it down and start nvda with the shortcut. if it works all is fine. Basically if anything fails during this, then let us know the details on here. It is I suppose possibly its avg, but I have not had recent experience of it. I rather tend to use Microsoft's own solution with a manually run malware remover every week or so, just in case myself. It could be any other sort of security software as well, but one would hope a message might come up and tell you of a problem in that case. If using Windows 10, it can be very handy to invoke narrator and see if it spots anything neither screenreader is showing you while you diagnose the issue. many people seem to think nvda has not installed simply because it installs with very few choices, as all the configuring is done after the install, as and whey you feel the need. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "chester michael" <chet_smalley@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:13 PM Subject: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost > Hello, > I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth > of Pennsylvania. > I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA. > Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its > presence had been the preventing force, heretofore. > I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), > and received no response from the program, at all. > Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and > launched NVDA. > At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer > navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the > voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I > believe comes with NVDA. > In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the > voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be > functional, at all. > So what is wrong? > My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one > degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS > and its speech engine, NVDA does not work. > One other thing: > I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking > installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of > course. > Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and > received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I > was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS > was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in > order for a semblance of NVDA to appear > I guess my basic question is this: > why won't NVDA run on its own?? > In advance, Many thanks. > > Regards, > Chet > > >
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Re: Keyboard Conflict with an Addon
Brian's Mail list account
What add ons are installed would be a start, together with the combination you are attempting to use?
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Hermann-Josef Kurzen" <ymh005@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:23 AM Subject: [nvda] Keyboard Conflict with an Addon Hi there,
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Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost
Brian's Mail list account
Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted and proceeding step by step.
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking installer doesn't talk. Since the talking installer is actually the portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem. Something is keeping NVDA from running. It's not that the talking installer just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the installed version isn't. The other Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene New Zealand Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost Hi Chet NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it. NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most people would choose the first option and install it to your computer. Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick. When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt key the extended insert key or the capslock key. Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the insert key + letter Q By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3 If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also. Gene nz On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote: Hello, I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania. I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA. Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore. I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all. Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA. At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA. In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all. So what is wrong? My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work. One other thing: I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course. Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear I guess my basic question is this: why won't NVDA run on its own?? In advance, Many thanks. Regards, Chet -- Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost
Brian's Mail list account
I think you have got yourself muddled by trying too many changes at once.
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1. take your machine back via system restore to before your first attempt at loading nvda. make sure your jaws functions correctly. 2. Try running the archive of nvda and see if nvda then mostly works, ie you can bring up the menu and all of that stuff. Turn off Jaws. 3 Check that nvda is still working with the espeak voice it has by default. 4. Now do an install. There is nothing really for it to talk to you about, since the only screen you need speech for is the main one which allows limited options important for when nvda starts. For now at least say do not start when computer starts. Once its installed you should hear the rising tones as it reboots in when you do the right alt n key and everything should be working including the menus and property sheets with the default synth. 5. Now you can if you want explore the synths available or the voice variants in espeak etc. Once you have got the basics working save the settings. 6. here I'd also suggest you create a portable version in a folder you can easily get to, this will also allow all currently set parameters to be saved so you have a back up of your configuration. 7. Now come out of nvda with insert/q and then try your jaws. make sure it still works OK. If all is well then there is no problem. Try a complete windows restart and check that jaws starts and that you can shut it down and start nvda with the shortcut. if it works all is fine. Basically if anything fails during this, then let us know the details on here. It is I suppose possibly its avg, but I have not had recent experience of it. I rather tend to use Microsoft's own solution with a manually run malware remover every week or so, just in case myself. It could be any other sort of security software as well, but one would hope a message might come up and tell you of a problem in that case. If using Windows 10, it can be very handy to invoke narrator and see if it spots anything neither screenreader is showing you while you diagnose the issue. many people seem to think nvda has not installed simply because it installs with very few choices, as all the configuring is done after the install, as and whey you feel the need. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "chester michael" <chet_smalley@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:13 PM Subject: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost Hello,
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Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
Gene
It's unfortunate you have such a well developed
ability to ignore facts and real situations and possibilities. Malware can
attack your computer without you doing anything incorrect. there is a
growing problem of malware infesting hacked ads even on the most reputable
sites. So you trust malware makers not to attack your computer without
your knowledge more than you trust reputable malware companies to gibve you some
amount of meaningful protection? There are malware program manufacturers
that are reputable and very highly thought of. Not trusting anyone in the
context you speak of is irrational and ignores well established facts. And
to make matters worse, you are using a vulnerable version of Windows and an an
increasingly aging browser that won't have any security updates for XP users in
about six months if you use the ESR version. You are also not using the
ESR version as far as I know which means your browser is increasingly vulnerable
because it hasn't received updates in quite some time.
Are you at least disabling JAVA scripts unless they
are needed? That will give you quite a bit of protection on the
Internet.
As I said, your ability to completely ignore facts
is unfortunate and evidently, well entrenched.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete
Disaster! i dont use such program and dont trust anyone. On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote: > Hello XP Users, > > May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io > Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here in > the homw of old tech. > They do what they do well enough. > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal email to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > > Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in > 2016, > when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and > stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on > Windows 10 at work. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's > Mail list account via Groups.Io > Sent: January 8, 2018 4:24 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one > used > by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal email to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > > Hi, > The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. > Cheers, > Joseph > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann > Byrne > Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > What is the universal skype app??? > At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: > >>I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't >>knock it till you try it guys. >> >>On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: >>>I use the universal Skype app all the time. >>>Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key >>>commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop >>>program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. >>>Have a great one, guys! >>>Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for >>>Windows 10 >>>From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee >>>Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM >>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>>ย >>>Hi, >>>Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to >>>conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). >>>Cheers, >>>Joseph >>>ย >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: >>><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey >>>Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM >>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>>ย >>>That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, >>>really. Come on Microsoft. >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: >>><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige >>>Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM >>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>>ย >>>In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way >>>to use it really. >>>ย >>>ย >>>On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: >>> >ย >>> > Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, >>> >because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and >>> >tabbing between options. >>> >ย >>> >ย >>> > On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> >>ย >>> >> Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version >>> >>here in a bit. >>> >>ย >>> >>ย >>> >> On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> >>>ย >>> >>> OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. >>> >>>ย >>> >>>ย >>> >>> I'll give it a try. >>> >>>ย >>> >>>ย >>> >>> On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: >>> >>>>ย >>> >>>> The same way you uninstall any program: >>> >>>>ย >>> >>>> Press your Windows key and type remove ย Arrow down to "Add and >>> >>>>Remove Programs and press Enter ย Arrow down to Skype in the >>> >>>>list of programs ย Press your applications key and arrow down to >>> >>>>remove and press Enter ย ย ย On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, >>> >>>>Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> >>>>>ย >>> >>>>> So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the >>> >>>>>universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the >>> >>>>>rescue. LOL! >>> >>>>>ย >>> >>>>>ย >>> >>>>> On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote: >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>> Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>> Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install >>> >>>>>>7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 >>> >>>>>>without problems some weeks ago. >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>> Regards. >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>> Ivรกn Novegil Cancelas >>> >>>>>> Editor >>> >>>>>> <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>> Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es >>> >>>>>>-www.NVDA.es ย Usuario do NVDA en galego ย ***Note que a >>> >>>>>>anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter >>> >>>>>>informaciรณn privada ou confidencial. O >>> emprego da informaciรณn desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estรก >>> reservado ao รกmbito privado do destinatario agรกs autorizaciรณn do >>> remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunรญqueo por esta >>> mesma vรญa e destrรบa a >>> mensaxe.*** O 06/01/2018 รก(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>> Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 >>> >>>>>>>as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of > Skype. >>> >>>>>>> Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't >>> >>>>>>>prefer it. >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>> I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people >>> >>>>>>>seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I >>> >>>>>>>can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and >>> >>>>>>>get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>> On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> Rich, >>> >>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>> Remove your current skype installation and install the skype >>> >>>>>>>>classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old >>> >>>>>>>>installation, you will get two skype >>> versions after installation of the classic version. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky >>> pe-full >>> >>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>> Regards, Marten >>> >>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 >>> "Brian's Mail list account via >>> Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon >>> der.co.uk@groups.io>ย >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>> I've never had it force an update on >>> windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. >>> >>>>>>>>>ย ย I'm not sure how one gets the old version. >>> >>>>>>>>> However there does seem to have been >>> a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I >>> hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the >>> tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back >>> afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. >>> >>>>>>>>>ย ย Brian >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder. >>> >>>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:- >>> <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., >>> >>>>>>>>> putting 'Brian Gaff' >>> >>>>>>>>> in the display name field. >>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> >>> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM >>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>> I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. >>> >>>>>>>>> Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered >>> >>>>>>>>>Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like >>> >>>>>>>>>Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I >>> >>>>>>>>>could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys >>> >>>>>>>>>that I previously used would work. I received a call from a >>> >>>>>>>>>friend right after this forced installation and could not >>> >>>>>>>>>answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for >>> >>>>>>>>>answering a call was useless, as were all other previous >>> >>>>>>>>>shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I >>> >>>>>>>>>totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype >>> >>>>>>>>>as NVDA >>> users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat >>> program? >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>> -- Rich De Steno >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>> Christopher Gilland >>> >>>>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>> >>>>>>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>> >>>>>>> (980) 500-9575X401 >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>ย >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> Christopher Gilland >>> >>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>> >>>>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>> >>>>> (980) 500-9575X401 >>> >>>>ย >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Rich De Steno >>> >>>ย >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Christopher Gilland >>> >>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>> >>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>> >>> (980) 500-9575X401 >>> >>ย >>> >> -- >>> >> Christopher Gilland >>> >> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>> >><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>> >> (980) 500-9575X401 >>> >ย >>> > >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org
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Re: suggestion for feedback
Well I do teach some users bits of the software, 7zip for example, however I find that if the desktop icon to whatever software I have installed is removed the user or at least users I work with don't even bother with the software.
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Its in plain sight ofcause I can't deny that, but without the icons or pinned shortcuts the completely visible software is completely safe from users. Ofcause they need to be admin or use my account which I put on all my systems I service so its not like they can just run it with my password for those that I think will try to see what it does. Most family though doesn't bother with it.
On 12/02/2018 11:33 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Not entirely what I mean. However its dangerous to leave any software accessible to an end user without either teaching them what its for or stopping them accidentally accessing it in the first place. One has to judge by the general opinion of the persons competence which course to follow of course.
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Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running
Brian's Mail list account
Actually as I've said before, simply reformatting is like sweeping dust under the carpet, sooner or later you will find it again.
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running Yeah had this with a system, I just reformat and it went away.
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Re: suggestion for feedback
Brian's Mail list account
Not entirely what I mean. However its dangerous to leave any software accessible to an end user without either teaching them what its for or stopping them accidentally accessing it in the first place. One has to judge by the general opinion of the persons competence which course to follow of course.
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback
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Re: Goldwave - latest version
Brian's Mail list account
Might one ask what operating system and version of goldwave and its add on you have installed?
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Arnþór Helgason" <arnthor.helgason@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:00 PM Subject: [nvda] Goldwave - latest version I have noticed that it is impossible to select attributes in Goldwave when saving documents as mp3-files.
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Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running
Brian's Mail list account
If you run hijack this please be careful what you delete, as there are no protections. You can screw things up by deleting routines that are needed.
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running I'm not sure how likely this is, but if it might be undetected malware, that would be of concern. But for all we know, it's some sort of corruption of something. You might want to investigate the malware possibility by signing up with bleeping computer and having the geeks who hang out on the site help you run various detection programs. Even that wouldn't rule out the possibility but it would be a more thorough detection protocol than most people do. You may need sighted help to do some of the things they will want you to do. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:20 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running However, one issue is that it may well be a symptom of a more serious problem. I'd feel very irked at such a weird situation and simply have to find a reason. The other day I had to remove the dreaded Avast from a system which had acquired it via a ccleaner download, and although it seems to have worked well, now when certain programs are run, the computer actually restarts itself. Numerous tests suggest all is as it was and even bring it back to before installation of avast makes it do the same thing.Luckily these pieces of software are system tools by third parties so not really an issue most of the time, but it does make one realise how many weird ways there are to run-in a perfectly working system. Short of a complete re install of everything there is probably no way to fix it as it is the diagnostic tools that cause the crashes. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running I'm sorry you are spending so much time trying to solve the problem. I think that, rather than continuing to try to solve it, it makes much more sense to open the program without NVDA running, then just leave it opened. Of course, it's up to you how much time you want to spend solving what is a minor annoyance, I wouldn't have spent much time on it at all, myself. There are some problems that, in my opinion, aren't worth spending time trying to solve when there is an easy work around. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Boersema Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:22 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running Dear All, Apart from working my way around starting Outlook without the reader, I have made no progress in figuring out what is the cause or solution for why my Outlook crashes when trying to open while NVDA is running. Here is what has been tried--all without success: 1. I don't know about logs, but the programmer who helped me said that the NVDA log shows no problem when the event occurs. 2. We have restored Windows to two different restore points dated before I noticed the problem. 3. We repaired Office through a long Internet connected repair process. Warmly, Ralph
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Re: Google drive again
Brian's Mail list account
Try this one:
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/wp3ynb5jydpouie/gsync.msi?dl=1 However there is no guarantee that google will let you install an old version as new. That is up to them. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive again hi brian.
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Re: Google drive again
Brian's Mail list account
Basically, if you use the old version, ie the old archive installer not the new stub installer, it can work, but you have to stop it trying to update asap.
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I'm not sure where one might obtain the old installer from though. I'm not sure if I still have a copy, but I'll have a look later. Note though that every so often it will fail to synchronise and tell you its not supported, then about a day later it seems to come back. I suspect in time even this acceptance will be stopped, but the reason for this is no doubt to trigger those using the old version to download the new one. Minimum requirements for the new version is as with nvda Windows 7 sp1. This is once again mainly down to the new more secure routines offered by 7 and up, and as they are not in xp you get that wonderful catch all error. I also see this if for example your xp pc is using an old style amd Athlon chip without sse2 instruction set. Ccleaner, MSSe and firefox after version48 will not run on such machines, to name but three. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive again hi brian.
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Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
Brian's Mail list account
If using xp, and not using machines with amd processors, the anti virus Microsoft Security essentials is still updating.
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Do not use Skype on old machines, too many drop outs. I am on the look out for a decent browser for an xp machine as firefox 52 takes an age to boot up and also seems unwilling to show some frames when run under xp. Most of the other options stopped supporting xp some time ago. I did notice some stuff both on github and on more obscure web sites about people working on windows hacks to give xp some of the extra routines found in later windows. Myself I'd view these with a little suspicion as if the user is going to trust unknown hackers to extend windows, then said unknown hackers might in fact be wolves in sheep's clothing. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hello XP Users,
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Re: Keyboard Conflict with an Addon
Hermann-Josef Kurzen
Hi Shaun,
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thank You for the hint. But it was another Problem: the keyboard layout. Now everything ist okay. Greetings - Hermann ■■■
Gesendet: Montag, 12. Februar 2018 um 09:09 Uhr
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Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
hello.
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i dont use such program and dont trust anyone.
On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote:
Hello XP Users, --
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org
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Re: Keyboard Conflict with an Addon
Yes, disable all addons, then load each one, then find which are in conflict then put that one out.
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I had this with plugins, I update winamp, wanamp crashes and doesn't respond, clear all plugins then transfer the standard ones back, then see what has failed, fine what has failed, put it aside, copy in rest till more fail, put those asside. Then go online and update incompatible plugins there is usually an update.
On 12/02/2018 7:23 p.m., Hermann-Josef Kurzen wrote:
Hi there,
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