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Re: sapi5 eloquence

Rui Fontes
 

Here is the translation by Google:
Eloquence SAPI5 Voice
Welcome to the page of the Eloquence voice SAPI5 for use with any program.
The Tiflotecnia, Lda, is pleased to present the new version of the famous Eloquence synthesizer from Nuance, and adapted for SAPI5 by Code Factory
This synthesizer, the well-known Eloquence of Nuance, which was adapted for SAPI5 by Code Factory, presents the following advantages:

• Quick response;
• Possibility of variant configuration, volume and speed reading;
• Allows high speed reading;
• Eight voices in 10 different languages;

How to install
Download the installer here
After saved on your PC, proceed to the installation, which has no special situation.
If you want, you can go to the control panel and set the Eloquence as pre defined voice system.

How to buy
To purchase, you should contact one of the following channels:
Buy online


Às 22:02 de 12/02/2018, Juan Hernandez escreveu:

Is there anywhere else? The page is not in English.
Juan Hernandez
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui
Fontes
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] sapi5 eloquence
You can bui on:
http://tiflotecnia.net/index_eloq.htm
Best regards,
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
Às 19:19 de 12/02/2018, Juan Hernandez escreveu:
Hi All,

I was told about an eloquence sapi5 version…  I bought the codefactory
one, but it really has issues with crackling.

Anyways, if anyone knows where I can buy/get it from I would really
appreciate it.

Best,

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@... <mailto:Juanhernandez98@...>

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite <http://www.juanhernandez.me/> | Twitter | FaceBook
<https://www.facebook.com/blindwiz> | LinkedIn
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/juanmhernandez>


Re: sapi5 eloquence

Juan Hernandez
 

Is there anywhere else? The page is not in English.


Juan Hernandez
Juanhernandez98@...
619-750-9431 (M) | 858-777-3311 (F)
My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui
Fontes
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] sapi5 eloquence

You can bui on:
http://tiflotecnia.net/index_eloq.htm

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 19:19 de 12/02/2018, Juan Hernandez escreveu:
Hi All,

I was told about an eloquence sapi5 version…  I bought the codefactory
one, but it really has issues with crackling.

Anyways, if anyone knows where I can buy/get it from I would really
appreciate it.

Best,

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@... <mailto:Juanhernandez98@...>

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite <http://www.juanhernandez.me/> | Twitter | FaceBook
<https://www.facebook.com/blindwiz> | LinkedIn
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/juanmhernandez>


Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Gene
 

III don't see why NVDA used another sound card.  Did you, at some time, tell JAWS to use a specific sound card, different than the one it was using?  If so, that explains the problem.  Ordinarily, everything should use the default sound card unless instructed to do otherwise.  You can use two sound cards, a lot of blind people do, including me, at times.  Just as with JAWS, you can tell NVDA to use whichever soundcard you want it to use.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Well you didn't have to disable sound cards, just select the right 1 for
your default card and there is a button to check.




On 13/02/2018 8:11 a.m., chester michael wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I disabled a soundcard, yes, there were two running, and now, things
> are fine.
>
> Thank you to all of you who answered so quickly!
>
>
>
> On 02/12/2018 11:35 AM, The Wolf wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> try removing jaws 2018 and see if that fixes the issue
>>
>> the problem I was running in to was a dll issue but removing jaws
>> 2018 and just running jaws18 has seemed to fix the problem
>>
>> hth
>> Hank
>>
>> On 2/12/2018 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about the problem, his
>>> screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may not
>>> be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if
>>> you are currently running JAWS 2018.  It is a message he sent the
>>> list two or three weeks ago.  You can have as many copies of JAWS on
>>> your machine as you wish so you can try this and see if it solves
>>> the problem.  If not, you can try other things others have
>>> suggested.  I'm not optimistic about this trial and error method but
>>> you never know.  But doing what is discussed in the below quoted
>>> message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave two
>>> copies of JAWS on your machine.  I think that if you install another
>>> copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as
>>> control j for whatever version you want to be able to run in that
>>> way.  I believe that if you have a current shortcut, it will be
>>> removed but you will have to check about that.
>>> Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up and whatever
>>> other commands there are that are relevant.  But I wouldn't have
>>> JAWS 2018 run for now.  I wouldn't run it either during testing. 
>>> Just have JAWS 18 run.  Then see if you can run NVDA.  Try running
>>> the NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running.  If it doesn't run, you
>>> can see if there is an error message.  If it runs, you will either
>>> have two screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will
>>> be smart enough to unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready
>>> to talk.
>>> The message is below my signature.
>>> Gene
>>> Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18 along with jaws
>>> 2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error message
>>> not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018 dll issue with
>>> nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I
>>> need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
>>> something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the issue fixed for now
>>> but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if not then
>>> I think a bug needs to be filed.
>>> if I am the only one running in to this issue  what can I do to help
>>> track this issue?
>>> Hank
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 5:13 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost
>>>
>>> That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is
>>> and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
>>> How far back should you go? System restore only saves restore points
>>> for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a
>>> different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if
>>> the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of
>>> course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time,
>>> but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time
>>> at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to
>>> help anything.
>>> And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think
>>> it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in
>>> programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I
>>> would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who
>>> appears to have had the same problem responds.
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>> <mailto:bglists@...>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:59 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost
>>>
>>> Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first
>>> attempted
>>> and proceeding step by step.
>>>  Brian
>>>
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gene" <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost
>>>
>>>
>>> It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the
>>> talking
>>> installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
>>> portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
>>> Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking
>>> installer
>>> just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just
>>> as the
>>> installed version isn't.
>>>
>>> The other Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Gene New Zealand
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Chet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
>>> computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or
>>> press the
>>> enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it
>>> does go
>>> to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part
>>> is the
>>> documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after
>>> that tab
>>> to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it
>>> will
>>> then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to
>>> make a
>>> portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary
>>> copy. Most
>>> people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up
>>> say yes
>>> to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab
>>> to itand
>>> say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for
>>> laptop
>>> use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda
>>>
>>> to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then
>>> arrow
>>> to the different sections like the user manual under the help
>>> section etc
>>>
>>> to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the
>>> insrt
>>> key the extended insert key or the capslock key.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example
>>> would be the
>>> insert key + letter Q
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp
>>> and vista
>>> was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
>>> latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene nz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:
>>>
>>>   Hello,
>>>   I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the
>>> commonwealth
>>> of Pennsylvania.
>>>   I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
>>>   Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
>>> presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
>>>   I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I
>>> did),
>>> and received no response from the program, at all.
>>>   Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
>>> launched NVDA.
>>>   At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no
>>> longer
>>> navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but
>>> the
>>> voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
>>> believe comes with NVDA.
>>>   In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers
>>> and the
>>> voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
>>> functional, at all.
>>>   So what is wrong?
>>>   My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
>>> degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent
>>> JAWS and
>>> its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
>>>   One other thing:
>>>   I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
>>> installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from
>>> it, of
>>> course.
>>>   Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA,
>>> and
>>> received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said
>>> that I
>>> was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows
>>> while JAWS
>>> was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running
>>> in order
>>> for a semblance of NVDA to appear
>>>   I guess my basic question is this:
>>>   why won't NVDA run on its own??
>>>   In advance, Many thanks.
>>>
>>>   Regards,
>>>   Chet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
>>> material
>>> at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are
>>> in New
>>> Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of
>>> the NVDA
>>> screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations
>>> (or
>>> location) is near to you please visit
>>> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
>>> (Aotearoa
>>> People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near
>>> you, please
>>> visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
>>> certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
>>> individuals
>>> from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
>>> expert
>>> exam.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: sapi5 eloquence

David Griffith
 

The Sapi 5 version is also sold by code Factory – to prevent crackling in that  Sapi 5 version and increase responsiveness you need to turn off any sound enhancements you may have running in your soundcard  driver. You do this from withing the sounds  applet in Control Panel.

I think people have reported on this list that the NVDA addon is not responsive to this fix though it definitely helped mee run the Sapi 5 version.

 

David Griffith

 

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http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
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https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Juan Hernandez
Sent: 12 February 2018 19:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] sapi5 eloquence

 

Hi All,

 

I was told about an eloquence sapi5 version…  I bought the codefactory one, but it really has issues with crackling.

 

Anyways, if anyone knows where I can buy/get it from I would really appreciate it.  

 

Best,

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

 

 


Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

The XP machines when trying to update doesn't work very well.
So I don't keep upgrading because it brings my machine down and un useable.
So I know that on this machine I use it for mail and basic stuff, making
sure not to open URL's I don't know or emails.
Thanks, we all have to do what makes productive the best we can be
!



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Keep your fears to yourself,
but share your courage with others.
****
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-----Original Message-----
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Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

I feel you are being a little unfair. I have no issue with people wanting
to use older systems, but I do feel that it does pay to know the risks.
There will always be niche users, but XP is still being used by one heck of
a lot of people out there, despite all you say. its a fact, I see it every
day and its exactly why I keep a couple of machines running it here to just
see what state the choices of what you can use are in now.


I also agree of course that many many sites and programs are suspect and
full of holes or infected with goodness only knows what. One has to live
with some risk but it can be reduced.
I don't think being dismissive of people is the way to get change, myself.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


It's unfortunate you have such a well developed ability to ignore facts and

real situations and possibilities. Malware can attack your computer
without
you doing anything incorrect. there is a growing problem of malware
infesting hacked ads even on the most reputable sites. So you trust
malware
makers not to attack your computer without your knowledge more than you
trust reputable malware companies to gibve you some amount of meaningful
protection? There are malware program manufacturers that are reputable and

very highly thought of. Not trusting anyone in the context you speak of is

irrational and ignores well established facts. And to make matters worse,
you are using a vulnerable version of Windows and an an increasingly aging
browser that won't have any security updates for XP users in about six
months if you use the ESR version. You are also not using the ESR version
as far as I know which means your browser is increasingly vulnerable
because
it hasn't received updates in quite some time.

Are you at least disabling JAVA scripts unless they are needed? That will
give you quite a bit of protection on the Internet.

As I said, your ability to completely ignore facts is unfortunate and
evidently, well entrenched.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


hello.
i dont use such program and dont trust anyone.

On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote:
Hello XP Users,

May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here
in
the homw of old tech.
They do what they do well enough.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in
2016,
when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and
stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including
on
Windows 10 at work.

-----Original Message-----
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Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: January 8, 2018 4:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one
used
by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new
one?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Hi,
The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

What is the universal skype app???
At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote:

I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't
knock it till you try it guys.

On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote:
I use the universal Skype app all the time.
Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key
commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop
program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome.
Have a great one, guys!
Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for
Windows 10
From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to
conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From:
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme,
really. Come on Microsoft.



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way
to use it really.


On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version
here in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:

The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove ย Arrow down to "Add and
Remove Programs and press Enter ย Arrow down to Skype in the
list of programs ย Press your applications key and arrow down to
remove and press Enter ย ย ย On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM,
Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote:

Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

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escribiu:

Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10
as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of
Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people
seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I
can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and
get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype
versions after installation of the classic version.
<http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky
pe-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000
"Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon
der.co.uk@groups.io>ย
wrote:

I've never had it force an update on
windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
ย ย I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been
a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I
hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the
tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back
afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
ย ย Brian

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I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend right after this forced installation and could not
answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype
as NVDA
users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat
program?

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Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

 

Well you didn't have to disable sound cards, just select the right 1 for your default card and there is a button to check.

On 13/02/2018 8:11 a.m., chester michael wrote:
Greetings,

I disabled a soundcard, yes, there were two running, and now, things are fine.

Thank you to all of you who answered so quickly!



On 02/12/2018 11:35 AM, The Wolf wrote:

Hello

try removing jaws 2018 and see if that fixes the issue

the problem I was running in to was a dll issue but removing jaws 2018 and just running jaws18 has seemed to fix the problem

hth
Hank

On 2/12/2018 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:
Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about the problem, his screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may not be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if you are currently running JAWS 2018.  It is a message he sent the list two or three weeks ago.  You can have as many copies of JAWS on your machine as you wish so you can try this and see if it solves the problem.  If not, you can try other things others have suggested.  I'm not optimistic about this trial and error method but you never know.  But doing what is discussed in the below quoted message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave two copies of JAWS on your machine.  I think that if you install another copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as control j for whatever version you want to be able to run in that way.  I believe that if you have a current shortcut, it will be removed but you will have to check about that.
Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up and whatever other commands there are that are relevant.  But I wouldn't have JAWS 2018 run for now.  I wouldn't run it either during testing.  Just have JAWS 18 run.  Then see if you can run NVDA.  Try running the NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running.  If it doesn't run, you can see if there is an error message.  If it runs, you will either have two screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will be smart enough to unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready to talk.
The message is below my signature.
Gene
Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18 along with jaws 2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error message
not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018 dll issue with nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the issue fixed for now but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if not then I think a bug needs to be filed.
if I am the only one running in to this issue  what can I do to help track this issue?
Hank
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That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go? System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything.
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.
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Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
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It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
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Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




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On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

  Hello,
  I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
  I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
  Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
  I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
  Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
  At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
  In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
  So what is wrong?
  My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
  One other thing:
  I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
  Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
  I guess my basic question is this:
  why won't NVDA run on its own??
  In advance, Many thanks.

  Regards,
  Chet






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Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

 

You know I agree with you.

I don't have an xp machine anymore but yeah I'd like to have a try and see what one did.

On 13/02/2018 5:41 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I feel you are being a little unfair. I have no issue with people wanting to use older systems, but I do feel that it does pay to know the risks. There will always be niche users, but XP is still being used by one heck of a lot of people out there, despite all you say. its a fact, I see it every day and its exactly why I keep a couple of machines running it here to just see what state the choices of what you can use are in now.


I also agree of course that many many sites and programs are suspect and full of holes or infected with goodness only knows what. One has to live with some risk but it can be reduced.
I don't think being dismissive of people is the way to get change, myself.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


It's unfortunate you have such a well developed ability to ignore facts and real situations and possibilities.  Malware can attack your computer without you doing anything incorrect.  there is a growing problem of malware infesting hacked ads even on the most reputable sites.  So you trust malware makers not to attack your computer without your knowledge more than you trust reputable malware companies to gibve you some amount of meaningful protection?  There are malware program manufacturers that are reputable and very highly thought of.  Not trusting anyone in the context you speak of is irrational and ignores well established facts.  And to make matters worse, you are using a vulnerable version of Windows and an an increasingly aging browser that won't have any security updates for XP users in about six months if you use the ESR version.  You are also not using the ESR version as far as I know which means your browser is increasingly vulnerable because it hasn't received updates in quite some time.

Are you at least disabling JAVA scripts unless they are needed? That will give you quite a bit of protection on the Internet.

As I said, your ability to completely ignore facts is unfortunate and evidently, well entrenched.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


hello.
i dont use such program and dont trust anyone.

On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote:
Hello XP Users,

May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use?

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Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here in
the homw of old tech.
They do what they do well enough.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in
2016,
when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and
stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on
Windows 10 at work.

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I think the question has to be, does the  old version of Skype, the one
used
by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one?
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Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Hi,
The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

What is the universal skype app???
At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote:

I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't
knock it till you try it guys.

On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote:
I use the universal Skype app all the time.
Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key
commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop
program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome.
Have a great one, guys!
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Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to
conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph

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That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme,
really. Come on Microsoft.



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Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way
to use it really.


On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version
here  in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:

The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove ย Arrow down to "Add and
Remove Programs and press Enter ย  Arrow down to Skype in the
list of programs ย  Press your applications key and arrow down to
remove and press  Enter ย ย ย  On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM,
Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote:

Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


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Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10
as  well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of
Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people
seem  to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I
can get  that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and
get rid of  the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype
versions after installation of the classic version.
<http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky
pe-full

Regards, Marten

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I've never had it force an update on
windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
ย ย  I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been
a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I
hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the
tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back
afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
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Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that  I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend  right after this forced installation and could not
answer it,  because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call  was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for  now. Do we give up on Skype
as NVDA
users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat
program?

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Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

 

Could be anything from hardware to software.

Its why when I get a problem like this, unless I need to try to peal back layers if its to deep I start from 0, and start writing notes.

First the issue, do tests see where things stand.

Then its time to get dirty.

You can try this yourself, but the procedure is long.

In first place, go to device manager and see what your sound card is, you may have a corrupted driver, if its realtech you can search for that and just install that though be aware that the latest 2.82 release has a non working control panel so for those of us without the unlocked cards, luckily my desktops and laptops have unlocked cards so I don't need the control panel at all, but on my laptop I do maintain it just doesn't work and I will have to get the latest drivers from the makers.

That may work.

Next, try to make another account in the users control panel, and if it works transfer all your documents and stuff over to it by coppying your documents, videos, pictures and music folders over plus any other folders you have in your user folder over that are not app folders like appdata, etc or any file in the root of that folder and delete the old account, should take you 30 minutes.

Its possible this is all your having.

In which case, stop reading.

We can move on though.

next using firefox or internet explorer go to www.pcpitstop.com/betapit and do a test.

They really want you to buy software to fix your issue and they fail you on the internet buffers thing but its not important, you need to look at any other warnings you get, oh you can forget about fragmentation and caches and things like this.

Don't bother with making an account you don't need it.

If there is any basic issue that should pop it up.

Next, search for and get speedfan, and install it, there should be a menu or tab somewhere that talks about hard disks, select each internal drive you have and perform an online test and see if there are any problems.

Completely unrelated but we need to check for everything, I have never checked temps of hardware but you could go into that later if you had to.

Next get belarc adviser, you need this especially if its a desktop, get your mutherboard number well at least model and just type that in to google and get the mnufacturer of your box, search for drivers, bios, etc and where needed maybe with sight update as needed.

At this point you are probably about done, being updated should be done.

Malware scan and antivirus scan if you want defrag and do chkdsks on the disk if you want.

Clear your junk with disk cleanup.

All this is really basic,

Next, check all your software you have, some of it may need updating, maybe you should uninstall jaws and see if it comes back and reinstall it again.

Finally note down what software, runtimes, etc you have from your programs list and see what you need and do not need.

For me, thats windows, java, flash, shockwave, codec packs, drivers ofcause, windows ofcause, office if needed, gps software if needed, itunes icloud, google sync software if needed, runtimes for visual  studio and vb6, directx and my software I use,

That being cdbxp, goldwave, audacity, abby fine reader, adobe dc, nvda,supernova sr.

Out of all that, the runtimes, the packs, java, all adobe software, ccleaner, 7zip, and cdbxp are standard features I load on everything.

Every system I maintain has a subset of the programs with some of that huge list above.

But you may not remember what you have, some of it may be out dated, some not used, some you were doodling with, loads of issues and I think I left out my tts packages of which I have 2.

Now, its time to get dirty.

I'd try to clean out your desktop if you can with compresser or something of dust maybe check your connections while at it.

Next its time to get dirty.

If you get sighted help do a reset of your bios and check its all supposed to be ok I have had it where not all settings were saved after an update and that some settings do not always save right.

Next, A full reformat and the system is ready to use.

Now in steps at least for me, I do the following.

Install windows, extra optional features if needed, runtimes, directx, slim dx, java, codec packs, software players like vlc, my reader nvda, ccleaner, 7zip and cdbxp.

Install all addons I need.

Install all updates I need.

Then stop and look at my list.

Install extras I need depending on the system.

Test and run the system for a day with the stuff loaded.

Load everything else you would usually use from your list, updating and testing as you go.

By now you should have your software loaded.

If in this step something screws up, note that down and restore the system to a time just before that run then keep going.

Note you shouldn't have issues with this if its a basic package, I pole for basic non automatic updates every 6 months or so.

But if you have a problem at this point it means you may need an update, the issue is solved by updating the software or reporting the issue and getting a fix.

With my realtech issue I reported it to realtech, they havn't responded sadly but oh well. I tried.

The next is to see what else could be it, chances are you won't know till you do something along the line and it popps up.

Have you checked your cabling, do other sounds play.

To be honest it sounds like the soundcard/user account issue I had in january with a system service.

In this scenario, the user had just managed to clear out an infection/ corruption on his server.

The issue was partly to do with a dead wireless card and security device which didn't work due to incompatability due to age.

As a result updates never updated right, things got in and drivers got corrupted.

I firstly reinstalled the corrupted drivers.

Next, I made a new account which worked and transfered all the files to it then killed the old account and files.

Meanwhile I was ordering a new wireless card and security device which came the next day.

I installed them and reports from the user not only have shown that things are working but that the performance is better.

In this scenario, I was able via device manager and via add remove programs were able to find the drivers were dammaged.

I also saw uncompleted updates, unfinnished scans and a lot of extra mangling consistant with a bad connection to the net.

A lot of the tools that should have protected things had simply shut down because they couldn't connect at all.

After cleaning part of the user account was dammaged.

A search on google for the ralink devices found them discontinued and the company gone.

I was able to source locally and quickly a d link wireless card and install it though sadly I got the wrong size but it works.

All in all a happy time.

But it may not be like this it rarely ever is.

Then again that may exactly be the issue.

Usually if an issue is so hard to solve over the phone I usually if local get the system to my address and look at it there.

9 times out a million I find the issue.

Or it maybe a different issue unrelated and again I fix that issue.

I may simply not find an issue to fix or can't find an issue that I can solve myself.

Or it maybe not on the system but infrastructure round it.

I have often come through this but often after looking for updates and updating things if it doesn't work, a full reformat and really slow rebuild finds outdated things non used modules and other things.

Most of which I have, forgot to update or simply there are new versions out that fix the issue.

Chances are that I never saw these so myself and others are out of date, and I can update as needed.

Usually if its hardware I don't touch it though.

On 13/02/2018 12:13 a.m., Gene wrote:
That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go? System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months. Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is. If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything.

And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over? Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.

Gene
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Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk. Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running. It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet






Re: sapi5 eloquence

Rui Fontes
 

You can bui on:
http://tiflotecnia.net/index_eloq.htm

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 19:19 de 12/02/2018, Juan Hernandez escreveu:

Hi All,
I was told about an eloquence sapi5 version…  I bought the codefactory one, but it really has issues with crackling.
Anyways, if anyone knows where I can buy/get it from I would really appreciate it.
Best,
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sapi5 eloquence

Juan Hernandez
 

Hi All,

 

I was told about an eloquence sapi5 version…  I bought the codefactory one, but it really has issues with crackling.

 

Anyways, if anyone knows where I can buy/get it from I would really appreciate it.  

 

Best,

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

 


Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

chester michael <chet_smalley@...>
 

Greetings,

I disabled a soundcard, yes, there were two running, and now, things are fine.

Thank you to all of you who answered so quickly!

On 02/12/2018 11:35 AM, The Wolf wrote:

Hello

try removing jaws 2018 and see if that fixes the issue

the problem I was running in to was a dll issue but removing jaws 2018 and just running jaws18 has seemed to fix the problem

hth
Hank

On 2/12/2018 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:
Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about the problem, his screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may not be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if you are currently running JAWS 2018.  It is a message he sent the list two or three weeks ago.  You can have as many copies of JAWS on your machine as you wish so you can try this and see if it solves the problem.  If not, you can try other things others have suggested.  I'm not optimistic about this trial and error method but you never know.  But doing what is discussed in the below quoted message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave two copies of JAWS on your machine.  I think that if you install another copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as control j for whatever version you want to be able to run in that way.  I believe that if you have a current shortcut, it will be removed but you will have to check about that.
Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up and whatever other commands there are that are relevant.  But I wouldn't have JAWS 2018 run for now.  I wouldn't run it either during testing.  Just have JAWS 18 run.  Then see if you can run NVDA.  Try running the NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running.  If it doesn't run, you can see if there is an error message.  If it runs, you will either have two screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will be smart enough to unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready to talk.
The message is below my signature.
Gene
Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18 along with jaws 2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error message
not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018 dll issue with nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the issue fixed for now but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if not then I think a bug needs to be filed.
if I am the only one running in to this issue  what can I do to help track this issue?
Hank
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*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go? System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything.
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.
Gene
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
 Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

  Hello,
  I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
  I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
  Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
  I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
  Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
  At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
  In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
  So what is wrong?
  My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
  One other thing:
  I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
  Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
  I guess my basic question is this:
  why won't NVDA run on its own??
  In advance, Many thanks.

  Regards,
  Chet






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Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Gene
 

I'm not being unfair.  I don't object to Zara using XP and I didn't say I do.  I made my comments because Zara said she doesn't use any antimalware programs because she doesn't trust any of them.  In addition to her statement, I know from other messages that she is using XP and she is using a version of Firefox that isn't receiving security updates.  One security risk piled on another piled on another.  If Zara has JAVA scripts disabled, that will give her a good deal of protection on the Internet.  But in today's security environment, not using antimalware protection is, to understate the case, a very bad idea.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

I feel you are being a little unfair. I have no issue with people wanting to
use older systems, but I do feel that it does pay to know the risks. There
will always be niche users, but XP is still being used by one heck of a lot
of people out there, despite all you say. its a fact, I see it every day and
its exactly why I keep a couple of machines running it here to just see what
state the choices of what you can use are in now.


I also agree of course that many many sites and programs are suspect and
full of holes or infected with goodness only knows what. One has to live
with some risk but it can be reduced.
 I don't think being dismissive of people is the way to get change, myself.
 Brian

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Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


It's unfortunate you have such a well developed ability to ignore facts and
real situations and possibilities.  Malware can attack your computer without
you doing anything incorrect.  there is a growing problem of malware
infesting hacked ads even on the most reputable sites.  So you trust malware
makers not to attack your computer without your knowledge more than you
trust reputable malware companies to gibve you some amount of meaningful
protection?  There are malware program manufacturers that are reputable and
very highly thought of.  Not trusting anyone in the context you speak of is
irrational and ignores well established facts.  And to make matters worse,
you are using a vulnerable version of Windows and an an increasingly aging
browser that won't have any security updates for XP users in about six
months if you use the ESR version.  You are also not using the ESR version
as far as I know which means your browser is increasingly vulnerable because
it hasn't received updates in quite some time.

Are you at least disabling JAVA scripts unless they are needed?  That will
give you quite a bit of protection on the Internet.

As I said, your ability to completely ignore facts is unfortunate and
evidently, well entrenched.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


hello.
i dont use such program and dont trust anyone.

On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote:
> Hello XP Users,
>
> May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use?
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>
> Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here
> in
> the homw of old tech.
> They do what they do well enough.
> Brian
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> From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>
>
> Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in
> 2016,
> when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and
> stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on
> Windows 10 at work.
>
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> Brian's
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> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>
> I think the question has to be, does the  old version of Skype, the one
> used
> by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one?
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> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>
>
> Hi,
> The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
> Byrne
> Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>
> What is the universal skype app???
> At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote:
>
>>I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't
>>knock it till you try it guys.
>>
>>On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote:
>>>I use the universal Skype app all the time.
>>>Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key
>>>commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop
>>>program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome.
>>>Have a great one, guys!
>>>Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for
>>>Windows 10
>>>From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee
>>>Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM
>>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>>>ย
>>>Hi,
>>>Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to
>>>conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
>>>Cheers,
>>>Joseph
>>>ย
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From:
>>><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
>>>Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
>>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>>>ย
>>>That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme,
>>>really. Come on Microsoft.
>>>ย
>>>ย
>>>ย
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From:
>>><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
>>>Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
>>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>>>ย
>>>In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way
>>>to use it really.
>>>ย
>>>ย
>>>On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
>>> >ย
>>> > Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
>>> >because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
>>> >tabbing between options.
>>> >ย
>>> >ย
>>> > On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> >>ย
>>> >> Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version
>>> >>here  in a bit.
>>> >>ย
>>> >>ย
>>> >> On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>> OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>> I'll give it a try.
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>> On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
>>> >>>>ย
>>> >>>> The same way you uninstall any program:
>>> >>>>ย
>>> >>>> Press your Windows key and type remove ย  Arrow down to "Add and
>>> >>>>Remove Programs and press Enter ย  Arrow down to Skype in the
>>> >>>>list of programs ย  Press your applications key and arrow down to
>>> >>>>remove and press  Enter ย ย ย  On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM,
>>> >>>>Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> >>>>>ย
>>> >>>>> So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
>>> >>>>>universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
>>> >>>>>rescue. LOL!
>>> >>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>ย
>>> >>>>> On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote:
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>> Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>> Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
>>> >>>>>>7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
>>> >>>>>>without problems some weeks ago.
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>> Regards.
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>> Ivรกn Novegil Cancelas
>>> >>>>>> Editor
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@...
>>> >>>>>>ย
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>>> mensaxe.*** O 06/01/2018 รก(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu:
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>> Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10
>>> >>>>>>>as  well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of
> Skype.
>>> >>>>>>> Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
>>> >>>>>>>prefer it.
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>> I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people
>>> >>>>>>>seem  to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I
>>> >>>>>>>can get  that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and
>>> >>>>>>>get rid of  the classic version, that would be fantastic!
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>> On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>> Rich,
>>> >>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>> Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
>>> >>>>>>>>classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
>>> >>>>>>>>installation, you will get two skype
>>> versions after installation of the classic version.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky
>>> pe-full
>>> >>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, Marten
>>> >>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000
>>> "Brian's Mail list account via
>>> Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon
>>> der.co.uk@groups.io>ย
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>> I've never had it force an update on
>>> windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย ย  I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
>>> >>>>>>>>> However there does seem to have been
>>> a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I
>>> hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the
>>> tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back
>>> afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย ย  Brian
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@...
>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
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>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...>
>>> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
>>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>> I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
>>> >>>>>>>>> Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
>>> >>>>>>>>>Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
>>> >>>>>>>>>Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
>>> >>>>>>>>>could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
>>> >>>>>>>>>that  I previously used would work. I received a call from a
>>> >>>>>>>>>friend  right after this forced installation and could not
>>> >>>>>>>>>answer it,  because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
>>> >>>>>>>>>answering a call  was useless, as were all other previous
>>> >>>>>>>>>shortcut keys. What is  the solution to this problem. I
>>> >>>>>>>>>totally uninstalled Skype for  now. Do we give up on Skype
>>> >>>>>>>>>as NVDA
>>> users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat
>>> program?
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>> -- Rich De Steno
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> >>>>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>>> >>>>>>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org
>>> >>>>>>> (980) 500-9575X401
>>> >>>>>>ย
>>> >>>>>ย
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> >>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>>> >>>>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org
>>> >>>>> (980) 500-9575X401
>>> >>>>ย
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Rich De Steno
>>> >>>ย
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Christopher Gilland
>>> >>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>>> >>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org
>>> >>> (980) 500-9575X401
>>> >>ย
>>> >> --
>>> >> Christopher Gilland
>>> >> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>>> >><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org
>>> >> (980) 500-9575X401
>>> >ย
>>> >
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Re: Serious issue with last two NVDA snapshots

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I cannot find the original report of this thread, but I have had no issues with recent snaps on 64 bit machines. Maybe some dependency has been removed. Often if you are updating though the old file is still present and its only when a new copy in a completely deleted installation is made that problems in add ons show up that were masked before.
The main cases of this was during the removal of the nvda service when xp support was removed.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious issue with last two NVDA snapshots


That error sounds like something with the NVDA remote addin. What happens if you disable the addon?



On 2/10/18, 8:10 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Christo de Klerk" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of christodeklerk@...> wrote:

Hello all

When I installed the last two NVDA master snapshots on my 64 bit Lenovo,
I have run into the following problem: When I start NVDA, an error
message comes up with the title: "nvdaHelperRemote
(outprocMgrThreadFunc)" and the text in the dialog is: "Error
registering focus winEvent hook". There is only an Ok button. When I Ok
the dialog, NVDA works, except there is no browse mode which makes using
apps like a web browser impossible. I had to fall back to an earlier
snapshot where everything works again. I can add that this problem
happens only on my 64 bit computer and not on the 32 bit.

Any thoughts/advice please? I hope the developers are noting this.

Kind regards

Christo









Re: Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

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There are a number of outlook 2016 threads on the issues list on github, might be a good idea to go and look. One question being asked is can you make sure you have the latest version and updates for outlook 2016, as there are builds that were unstable.
Just thought I'd mention it.
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Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Ralph,

Have you tried starting outlook in safe mode? If not, try going to the run
box with windows key + r and then typing outlook --safe

See if you are able to start outlook then.

Pranav



Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

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I feel you are being a little unfair. I have no issue with people wanting to use older systems, but I do feel that it does pay to know the risks. There will always be niche users, but XP is still being used by one heck of a lot of people out there, despite all you say. its a fact, I see it every day and its exactly why I keep a couple of machines running it here to just see what state the choices of what you can use are in now.


I also agree of course that many many sites and programs are suspect and full of holes or infected with goodness only knows what. One has to live with some risk but it can be reduced.
I don't think being dismissive of people is the way to get change, myself.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


It's unfortunate you have such a well developed ability to ignore facts and real situations and possibilities. Malware can attack your computer without you doing anything incorrect. there is a growing problem of malware infesting hacked ads even on the most reputable sites. So you trust malware makers not to attack your computer without your knowledge more than you trust reputable malware companies to gibve you some amount of meaningful protection? There are malware program manufacturers that are reputable and very highly thought of. Not trusting anyone in the context you speak of is irrational and ignores well established facts. And to make matters worse, you are using a vulnerable version of Windows and an an increasingly aging browser that won't have any security updates for XP users in about six months if you use the ESR version. You are also not using the ESR version as far as I know which means your browser is increasingly vulnerable because it hasn't received updates in quite some time.

Are you at least disabling JAVA scripts unless they are needed? That will give you quite a bit of protection on the Internet.

As I said, your ability to completely ignore facts is unfortunate and evidently, well entrenched.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


hello.
i dont use such program and dont trust anyone.

On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote:
Hello XP Users,

May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use?

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Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here in
the homw of old tech.
They do what they do well enough.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in
2016,
when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and
stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on
Windows 10 at work.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one
used
by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one?
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Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Hi,
The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
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Byrne
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

What is the universal skype app???
At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote:

I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't
knock it till you try it guys.

On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote:
I use the universal Skype app all the time.
Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key
commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop
program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome.
Have a great one, guys!
Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for
Windows 10
From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to
conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme,
really. Come on Microsoft.



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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way
to use it really.


On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version
here in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:

The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove ย Arrow down to "Add and
Remove Programs and press Enter ย Arrow down to Skype in the
list of programs ย Press your applications key and arrow down to
remove and press Enter ย ย ย On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM,
Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote:

Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

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Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10
as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of
Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people
seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I
can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and
get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype
versions after installation of the classic version.
<http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky
pe-full

Regards, Marten

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I've never had it force an update on
windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
ย ย I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been
a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I
hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the
tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back
afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
ย ย Brian

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Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend right after this forced installation and could not
answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype
as NVDA
users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat
program?

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Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

 

Hello

try removing jaws 2018 and see if that fixes the issue

the problem I was running in to was a dll issue but removing jaws 2018 and just running jaws18 has seemed to fix the problem

hth
Hank

On 2/12/2018 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:
Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about the problem, his screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may not be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if you are currently running JAWS 2018.  It is a message he sent the list two or three weeks ago.  You can have as many copies of JAWS on your machine as you wish so you can try this and see if it solves the problem.  If not, you can try other things others have suggested.  I'm not optimistic about this trial and error method but you never know.  But doing what is discussed in the below quoted message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave two copies of JAWS on your machine.  I think that if you install another copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as control j for whatever version you want to be able to run in that way.  I believe that if you have a current shortcut, it will be removed but you will have to check about that. 
 
Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up and whatever other commands there are that are relevant.  But I wouldn't have JAWS 2018 run for now.  I wouldn't run it either during testing.  Just have JAWS 18 run.  Then see if you can run NVDA.  Try running the NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running.  If it doesn't run, you can see if there is an error message.  If it runs, you will either have two screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will be smart enough to unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready to talk.
 
The message is below my signature.
 
Gene
 
Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18 along with jaws 2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error message
 
not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018 dll issue with nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
 
something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the issue fixed for now but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if not then I think a bug needs to be filed.
 
if I am the only one running in to this issue  what can I do to help track this issue?
 
Hank
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go?  System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything. 
 
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
 Brian

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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
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From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

  Hello,
  I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
  I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
  Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
  I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
  Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
  At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
  In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
  So what is wrong?
  My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
  One other thing:
  I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
  Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
  I guess my basic question is this:
  why won't NVDA run on its own??
  In advance, Many thanks.

  Regards,
  Chet






--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.





Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Gene
 

Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about the problem, his screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may not be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if you are currently running JAWS 2018.  It is a message he sent the list two or three weeks ago.  You can have as many copies of JAWS on your machine as you wish so you can try this and see if it solves the problem.  If not, you can try other things others have suggested.  I'm not optimistic about this trial and error method but you never know.  But doing what is discussed in the below quoted message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave two copies of JAWS on your machine.  I think that if you install another copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as control j for whatever version you want to be able to run in that way.  I believe that if you have a current shortcut, it will be removed but you will have to check about that. 
 
Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up and whatever other commands there are that are relevant.  But I wouldn't have JAWS 2018 run for now.  I wouldn't run it either during testing.  Just have JAWS 18 run.  Then see if you can run NVDA.  Try running the NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running.  If it doesn't run, you can see if there is an error message.  If it runs, you will either have two screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will be smart enough to unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready to talk.
 
The message is below my signature.
 
Gene
 
Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18 along with jaws 2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error message
 
not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018 dll issue with nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
 
something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the issue fixed for now but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if not then I think a bug needs to be filed.
 
if I am the only one running in to this issue  what can I do to help track this issue?
 
Hank

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go?  System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything. 
 
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
 Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

  Hello,
  I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
  I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
  Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
  I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
  Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
  At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
  In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
  So what is wrong?
  My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
  One other thing:
  I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
  Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
  I guess my basic question is this:
  why won't NVDA run on its own??
  In advance, Many thanks.

  Regards,
  Chet






--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.




Version 18.02.1 emergency patch for Windows 10 App Essentils and StationPlaylist Studio add-ons posted #addonrelease

 

Hi everyone,

 

The following bulletin is applicable for people using recent NVDA next snapshots. For those running master snapshots or 2017.4 (or older releases), you can ignore this:

 

For people using Windows 10 App Essentials and/or StationPlaylist Studio: when add-on updates appear and after saying “yes”, NVDA may play an error sound and add-on won’t be updated. This is caused by changes to NVDA’s own update downer as part of changes in recent NVDA next snapshots. An emergency patch is now available to correct this problem, and you need to apply this manually.

 

To apply this patch:

 

  1. Go to addons.nvda-project.org.
  2. Locate the add-on entry (or more than one) you are using. For example, if you only have Windows 10 App Essentials, please locate the entry for this add-on. After locating the entries, select it.
  3. Once the add-on page opens, select stable version link.
  4. Either install the add-on directly (by choosing to open the file), or save the package and install it manually.
  5. If you were using add-on snapshots, after installing 18.02.1, you’ll be prompted to install the February 12th snapshot for the add-on9s) you were using. Go ahead and install the new development snapshot, as add-on snapshots were also updated to include this patch.

 

To check which version of NVDA you’ve got, go to NVDA menu/Help/About. If the version text is of the form “next-xxxxx,hash”, then this patch is applicable to you.

 

Important note for SPL add-on users using 15.x LTS releases: no update at this time, so you can ignore this.

 

Thank you, and sorry for the inconvenience.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Serious issue with last two NVDA snapshots

Jonathan COHN
 

That error sounds like something with the NVDA remote addin. What happens if you disable the addon?



On 2/10/18, 8:10 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Christo de Klerk" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of christodeklerk@...> wrote:

Hello all

When I installed the last two NVDA master snapshots on my 64 bit Lenovo,
I have run into the following problem: When I start NVDA, an error
message comes up with the title: "nvdaHelperRemote
(outprocMgrThreadFunc)" and the text in the dialog is: "Error
registering focus winEvent hook". There is only an Ok button. When I Ok
the dialog, NVDA works, except there is no browse mode which makes using
apps like a web browser impossible. I had to fall back to an earlier
snapshot where everything works again. I can add that this problem
happens only on my 64 bit computer and not on the 32 bit.

Any thoughts/advice please? I hope the developers are noting this.

Kind regards

Christo


Re: a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Gene
 

That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go?  System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything. 
 
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

  Hello,
  I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
  I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
  Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
  I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
  Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
  At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
  In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
  So what is wrong?
  My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
  One other thing:
  I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
  Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
  I guess my basic question is this:
  why won't NVDA run on its own??
  In advance, Many thanks.

  Regards,
  Chet






--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.