Hi!
To my knowledge these are known UIA issues which have been reported to
Microsoft. Interestingly, other screen readers seem to be circumventing
them, either by design or fortune.
Kind regards,
Felix

Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs@gmail.com> schrieb am Di., 13. Feb.
2018 um 11:07 Uhr:

Hello,

There are three problems I am having with NVDA not reading window
information:


I don’t know if this is a Windows problem or NVDA problem, but NVDA is
only reading 1 window when I press alt+tab several times. I press alt+tab
and NVDA does not say anything. Sometimes a restart of NVDA works, but
not
always. It just started doing this last month.



Also, in the last month, NVDA has started not to read the folder View in
Windows explorer for some reason. I open up my documents or downloads and
NVDA just says Explorer”. I can tab and get to the Tree view and other
buttons, but the folder view is completely silent. I have turned off
indexing and other things that may slow down Windows Explorer, but
nothing
seems to work. I have the same problems in the open and save dialogues in
applications as well. The folder View does not work or freezes. I know
something is there, because if I hit enter in the blank space, the folder
or file opens. Also, they are there visually. Often when I restart NVDA,
the folder view will read right as NVDA is turning off,, then for a very
short time while NVDA is just restarted. But very quickly, the folder
view
becomes silent again.



NVDA also does not always enter the start menu focus when the Windows key
is pressed. For example, when typing this email, I press start and NVDA
does not say anything. I see the start menu pop up, but pressing arrow
keys
don’t do anything. If I am in an editable window, I can type and the
search
box in the start menu will populate, but if I am in a brows window, then
NVDA thinks I am pressing navigation keys and jumps me around the page I
was on.



These problems all happen at random times and I can’t figure out what
triggers them. They happen enough that they are really hurting my
productivity at work and I purchased another computer just because these
problems were so pervasive.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix these three problems?

Thank you,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>

Hello,

There are three problems I am having with NVDA not reading window information:

I don’t know if this is a Windows problem or NVDA problem, but NVDA is only reading 1 window when I press alt+tab several times. I press alt+tab and NVDA does not say anything. Sometimes a restart of NVDA works, but not always. It just started doing this last month.

 

Also, in the last month, NVDA has started not to read the folder View in Windows explorer for some reason. I open up my documents or downloads and NVDA just says Explorer”. I can tab and get to the Tree view and other buttons, but the folder view is completely silent. I have turned off indexing and other things that may slow down Windows Explorer, but nothing seems to work. I have the same problems in the open and save dialogues in applications as well. The folder View does not work or freezes. I know something is there, because if I hit enter in the blank space, the folder or file opens. Also, they are there visually. Often when I restart NVDA, the folder view will read right as NVDA is turning off,, then for a very short time while NVDA is just restarted. But very quickly, the folder view becomes silent again.

 

NVDA also does not always enter the start menu focus when the Windows key is pressed. For example, when typing this email, I press start and NVDA does not say anything. I see the start menu pop up, but pressing arrow keys don’t do anything. If I am in an editable window, I can type and the search box in the start menu will populate, but if I am in a brows window, then NVDA thinks I am pressing navigation keys and jumps me around the page I was on.

 

These problems all happen at random times and I can’t figure out what triggers them. They happen enough that they are really hurting my productivity at work and I purchased another computer just because these problems were so pervasive.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix these three problems?

Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs

I was hoping some developers had ideas. The below thread is talking
about agressive, assertive, screen reader notifications, or passive
notifications. The below is the thread link. The developer really wants
to make this program accessible. Comments in the thread would be very
helpful when developing!

https://github.com/ChoicescriptIDE/main/issues/40#issuecomment-365100786

I'm sure if you don't want to be giving any one your personal information
these days you will have to live with what you have.
MY XP box is useless for searching the web and such these days, if going to
a blind friendly web site can be a hit or a miss.
Keep us posted how you can avoid upgrading without having to release your
life!



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but share your courage with others.
****
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

I've never really tried cortana yet.

I do admin a lot of systems and most of it is keeping ms away from my data
and keeping cortana silent.

If I get my system I am unsure how usefull cortana is to me.

If I put it back on, I will have to send all my data to microsoft, and all
the extra spying crazyness which I don't mind but if it becomes a bother at
all then I don't know.




On 13/02/2018 11:37 a.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

I too love messing around with Cortana and any other digital assistant.
I’m going to try to figure out collections in Cortana again.
Not that I have anything important to save but you never know when it

will come in handy and it never hurts to learn new things.

Later
Scott

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: David Moore
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many

places around the world, and also time around the world, and that is just a
start LOL!

Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck

and neck LOL!

Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL!
If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and

questions for her LOL!

David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive

as SIRI.

$$$$

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@shaw.ca
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Keep your fears to yourself,
but share your courage with others.
****
Robert Louis Stevenson




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10?  Are there ways

to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel

I too love messing around with Cortana and any other digital assistant.
I’m going to try to figure out collections in Cortana again.
Not that I have anything important to save but you never know when it

Later
Scott

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: David Moore
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many

Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck

Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL!
If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and

David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive

$$$$

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@shaw.ca
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Keep your fears to yourself,
but share your courage with others.
****
Robert Louis Stevenson




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10?  Are there ways

Mel

This isn’t a cracked version of eloquence is it!
E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
*From: *Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
*Sent: *Monday, February 12, 2018 11:55 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] sapi5 eloquence
You can bui on:
http://tiflotecnia.net/index_eloq.htm
Best regards,
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
Às 19:19 de 12/02/2018, Juan Hernandez escreveu:

> Hi All,

>

> I was told about an eloquence sapi5 version…  I bought the codefactory

> one, but it really has issues with crackling.

>

> Anyways, if anyone knows where I can buy/get it from I would really

> appreciate it.

>

> Best,

>

> Juan Hernandez

>

> Juanhernandez98@gmail.com <mailto:Juanhernandez98@gmail.com>

>

> 619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

>

> My WebSite <http://www.juanhernandez.me/> | Twitter | FaceBook

> <https://www.facebook.com/blindwiz> | LinkedIn

> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/juanmhernandez>

>

>

You can bui on:

http://tiflotecnia.net/index_eloq.htm

Best regards,

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 19:19 de 12/02/2018, Juan Hernandez escreveu:

> Hi All,

>

> I was told about an eloquence sapi5 version…  I bought the codefactory

> one, but it really has issues with crackling.

>

> Anyways, if anyone knows where I can buy/get it from I would really

> appreciate it.

>

> Best,

>

> Juan Hernandez

>

> Juanhernandez98@... <mailto:Juanhernandez98@...>

>

> 619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

>

> My WebSite <http://www.juanhernandez.me/> | Twitter | FaceBook

> <https://www.facebook.com/blindwiz> | LinkedIn

> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/juanmhernandez>

>

>

I too love messing around with Cortana and any other digital assistant.
I’m going to try to figure out collections in Cortana again.
Not that I have anything important to save but you never know when it will come in handy and it never hurts to learn new things.

Later
Scott

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: David Moore
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many places around the world, and also time around the world, and that is just a start LOL!
Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck and neck LOL!
Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL!
If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and questions for her LOL!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive as SIRI.
$$$$
EMAIL:karim.lakhani@shaw.ca
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Keep your fears to yourself,
but share your courage with others.
****
Robert Louis Stevenson


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?
I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10?  Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel

III don't see why NVDA used another sound card. Did you, at some time, tell JAWS to use a specific sound card, different than the one it was using? If so, that explains the problem. Ordinarily, everything should use the default sound card unless instructed to do otherwise. You can use two sound cards, a lot of blind people do, including me, at times. Just as with JAWS, you can tell NVDA to use whichever soundcard you want it to use.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Well you didn't have to disable sound cards, just select the right 1 for
your default card and there is a button to check.




On 13/02/2018 8:11 a.m., chester michael wrote:

Greetings,

I disabled a soundcard, yes, there were two running, and now, things
are fine.

Thank you to all of you who answered so quickly!



On 02/12/2018 11:35 AM, The Wolf wrote:

Hello

try removing jaws 2018 and see if that fixes the issue

the problem I was running in to was a dll issue but removing jaws
2018 and just running jaws18 has seemed to fix the problem

hth
Hank

On 2/12/2018 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:

Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about the problem, his
screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may not
be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if
you are currently running JAWS 2018. It is a message he sent the
list two or three weeks ago. You can have as many copies of JAWS on
your machine as you wish so you can try this and see if it solves
the problem. If not, you can try other things others have
suggested. I'm not optimistic about this trial and error method but
you never know. But doing what is discussed in the below quoted
message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave two
copies of JAWS on your machine. I think that if you install another
copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as
control j for whatever version you want to be able to run in that
way. I believe that if you have a current shortcut, it will be
removed but you will have to check about that.
Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up and whatever
other commands there are that are relevant. But I wouldn't have
JAWS 2018 run for now. I wouldn't run it either during testing.
Just have JAWS 18 run. Then see if you can run NVDA. Try running
the NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running. If it doesn't run, you
can see if there is an error message. If it runs, you will either
have two screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will
be smart enough to unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready
to talk.
The message is below my signature.
Gene
Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18 along with jaws
2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error message
not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018 dll issue with
nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I
need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the issue fixed for now
but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if not then
I think a bug needs to be filed.
if I am the only one running in to this issue what can I do to help
track this issue?
Hank
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 5:13 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is
and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go? System restore only saves restore points
for perhaps two or three months. Unless the person has used a
different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if
the problem is what I suspect it is. If it isn't. you could, of
course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time,
but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time
at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to
help anything.
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think
it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in
programs and settings that will have to be done over? Again, I
would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who
appears to have had the same problem responds.
Gene
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*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first
attempted
and proceeding step by step.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the
talking
installer doesn't talk. Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running. It's not that the talking
installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just
as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or
press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it
does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part
is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after
that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it
will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to
make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary
copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up
say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab
to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for
laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then
arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help
section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the
insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example
would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp
and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the
commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I
did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no
longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but
the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers
and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent
JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from
it, of
course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA,
and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said
that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows
while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running
in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet






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I use Cortana for directions, scores to all ball games, weather in many places around the world, and also time around the world, and that is just a start LOL!

Cortana is not quite as smart as SIRI, but they are beginning to run neck and neck LOL!

Personal assistants are my favorite toys LOL!

If you guys would like, I have an entire list of Cortana commands and questions for her LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

glad to hear you are using the feature, I have not found it as responsive as SIRI.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mel_thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to silence NVDA when Cortana speaks?

I wan to silence NVDA while Cortana speaks in Windows 10?  Are there ways to do this other than clicking the CTRL key?

Mel

Is there anywhere else? The page is not in English.
Juan Hernandez
Juanhernandez98@gmail.com
619-750-9431 (M) | 858-777-3311 (F)
My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui
Fontes
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] sapi5 eloquence
You can bui on:
http://tiflotecnia.net/index_eloq.htm
Best regards,
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
Às 19:19 de 12/02/2018, Juan Hernandez escreveu:

Hi All,

I was told about an eloquence sapi5 version…  I bought the codefactory
one, but it really has issues with crackling.

Anyways, if anyone knows where I can buy/get it from I would really
appreciate it.

Best,

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@gmail.com <mailto:Juanhernandez98@gmail.com>

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite <http://www.juanhernandez.me/> | Twitter | FaceBook
<https://www.facebook.com/blindwiz> | LinkedIn
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/juanmhernandez>

Hi All,

I was told about an eloquence sapi5 version…  I bought the codefactory
one, but it really has issues with crackling.

Anyways, if anyone knows where I can buy/get it from I would really
appreciate it.

Best,

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@gmail.com <mailto:Juanhernandez98@gmail.com>

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite <http://www.juanhernandez.me/> | Twitter | FaceBook
<https://www.facebook.com/blindwiz> | LinkedIn
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/juanmhernandez>