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Re: Phasing out of 7

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

I like using what is up on my iphone.
They have a pc version which I haven't tried yet.
check it out if it works well please share the news.




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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

which program should i use instead of skype for telephony?
i am using skype 7.36 now, but version 7 have many accessibility issues and
even the program sometimes closed without my will!
i did not have this problem using version 6 of skype can someone off list
help me to learn how to use teamtalk for telephony?
the advantage of teamtalk is not forcing update!
i can download any version that i want to use and keep it forever without
update and worried for update and compatibility with my windows!

On 2/15/18, Michael Capelle <mcapelle@charter.net> wrote:
I don't blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype
really has died.

From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I'll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I've had a mess with 8,
and as far as I'm concerned, it stinks.
It's a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while
the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams,
and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype
would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by
other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn't
necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my
primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can't ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility
shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And
there's me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it
already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the
quality is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in
favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea
what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team
talk anyway.




http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Phasing out of 7

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

It's not great for sure but with a little of tabbig around it can be useable.
I think it's nice they have a web version but it's very time consuminbg tabbing around, maybe I haven't learnt all t he tricks but for now it's good for f un.
Nothing I'll not to do with out.
 
 
 
EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
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SKYPE: goldenace4
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Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 
i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.


http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what


Re: Phasing out of 7

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

In the case of Hangouts, your pessimism is unfounded. Hangouts works great on all platforms that I've used it on. Best, Erik

On February 15, 2018 11:48:58 AM "Damien Garwood" <damien@...> wrote:

Hi,
Not that I use any of those. Facetime is for Apple products only, while I always thought Google Hangouts was more akin to TeamTalk than Skype, I.E. a conferencing platform. Not to mention, the one time I was requested to join a Google Hangouts meeting it wasn’t very accessible. Of course that was a few years ago, it could easily have changed since then. But given mainstream software’s priorities, I.E. hogging our systems with unnecessary pretty pictures, I believe it could also have easily gone from bad to worse. Hell...Skype versions 1, and possibly 2, were the best as far as accessibility went. No scripts needed. Now look at it!
Maybe I should release 8 major versions encompassing several hundred builds of an audio game where only about 10% of them include new worlds while the rest are merely audio tweaks. That’s a fair representation of a boatload of software methinks. Welcome to mainstream frustrations...
To take another example, the genealogy database software I used previously was full of bugs and was very slow at searching, generating reports, importing and exporting etc. Then a new major version came out, and the only major thing that its change log could boast of in its update was colour tagging!
Anyways. Think I best go before I start on a full-on rant about things that I perhaps don’t, and could never, understand. Lol.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 
Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 
i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.


http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what


Re: Phasing out of 7

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi,
Not that I use any of those. Facetime is for Apple products only, while I always thought Google Hangouts was more akin to TeamTalk than Skype, I.E. a conferencing platform. Not to mention, the one time I was requested to join a Google Hangouts meeting it wasn’t very accessible. Of course that was a few years ago, it could easily have changed since then. But given mainstream software’s priorities, I.E. hogging our systems with unnecessary pretty pictures, I believe it could also have easily gone from bad to worse. Hell...Skype versions 1, and possibly 2, were the best as far as accessibility went. No scripts needed. Now look at it!
Maybe I should release 8 major versions encompassing several hundred builds of an audio game where only about 10% of them include new worlds while the rest are merely audio tweaks. That’s a fair representation of a boatload of software methinks. Welcome to mainstream frustrations...
To take another example, the genealogy database software I used previously was full of bugs and was very slow at searching, generating reports, importing and exporting etc. Then a new major version came out, and the only major thing that its change log could boast of in its update was colour tagging!
Anyways. Think I best go before I start on a full-on rant about things that I perhaps don’t, and could never, understand. Lol.
Cheers.
Damien.
 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 
Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 
i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.


http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what


OE Classic 28 ads even more accessibility

 

OE Classic is basically a cheaper, or free, if you don't want to pay to get the pro addition right away, OutLook express for modern versions of windows. The pro versions, from what I can tell, are just quick releases that the free folks will get anyway when the pro version hits the next level. They continue to improve their accessibility. The free version is on 27 now but when the pro version hits version 29, 28 will be free to download. A link to the news page is below followed by the change log in version 28. The developer told me they have been testing with NVDA, not JAWS. so, I am sure accessibility will improve even more.


https://www.oeclassic.com/news


And here is all the changes.


[2017-11-03] Option to import CSV file into existing or new address book folder
• [2017-11-03] Improved recognition of some data fields for CSV file import
• [2017-11-03] Import/Export window can be resized to fit more data
• [2017-11-03] Notification for Windows 2000/XP only about discontinuing contact form functionality, no changes for any newer versions of Windows
• [2017-11-06] Improved accessibility for Import/Export window
• [2017-11-07] Added multilingual support
• [2017-12-12] Message editor Check names now also validates emails inside groups
• [2017-12-14] Faster and more accurate email address validator
• [2017-12-14] Message editor Check names checks for duplicate recipients (in the same field)
• [2017-12-14] Message editor checks for duplicate attachments
• [2018-01-10] Added multilingual counting plural rules
• [2018-01-19] Option to set default message direction right-to-left
• [2018-01-21] Save As message saving now also offers HTML or Text formats
• [2018-01-27] Added 8 initial language files (Croatian, Dutch, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Polish, Spanish)
• [2018-01-27] Improved accessibility for Contact/Group Properties, Account Properties, Message Edit, Message Viewer, Column Editor, Find
• [2018-01-28] Find window improvements - Include subfolders checkbox, folder Browse button, closing window by ESC key
• [2018-02-03] Custom folder colors (right click menu over folders)
Bug fixes
• [2017-12-07] No longer jumps to the top of Address Book when items are deleted (Address Book and Main window)
• [2018-01-29] Incorrect help shortcuts in the installation script


Re: Phasing out of 7

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi,
I always thought that was a business-based rather than personal use system.
Cheers.
Damien.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Beasley
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 4:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

I don't know anyone who uses it, but there is a client called Zoom. The site
is zoom.us.

-----Original Message-----
From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi Zara,
As I said. TeamTalk is for realtime conferencing, not telephony, and
unfortunately I am unaware of any other programs that allow for direct
telephony like Skype does.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

which program should i use instead of skype for telephony?
i am using skype 7.36 now, but version 7 have many accessibility
issues and even the program sometimes closed without my will!
i did not have this problem using version 6 of skype
can someone off list help me to learn how to use teamtalk for telephony?
the advantage of teamtalk is not forcing update!
i can download any version that i want to use and keep it forever
without update and worried for update and compatibility with my
windows!

On 2/15/18, Michael Capelle <mcapelle@charter.net> wrote:
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has
died.

From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as
far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the
quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not
for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain,
since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to
come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary
telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls
and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking
Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is
much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of
Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on
XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.




http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Phasing out of 7

Peter Beasley
 

I don't know anyone who uses it, but there is a client called Zoom. The site is zoom.us.

-----Original Message-----
From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi Zara,
As I said. TeamTalk is for realtime conferencing, not telephony, and
unfortunately I am unaware of any other programs that allow for direct
telephony like Skype does.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

which program should i use instead of skype for telephony?
i am using skype 7.36 now, but version 7 have many accessibility
issues and even the program sometimes closed without my will!
i did not have this problem using version 6 of skype
can someone off list help me to learn how to use teamtalk for telephony?
the advantage of teamtalk is not forcing update!
i can download any version that i want to use and keep it forever
without update and worried for update and compatibility with my
windows!

On 2/15/18, Michael Capelle <mcapelle@charter.net> wrote:
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has
died.

From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as
far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the
quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not
for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain,
since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to
come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary
telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls
and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking
Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is
much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of
Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on
XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.




http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Phasing out of 7

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi Zara,
As I said. TeamTalk is for realtime conferencing, not telephony, and unfortunately I am unaware of any other programs that allow for direct telephony like Skype does.
Cheers.
Damien.

-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

which program should i use instead of skype for telephony?
i am using skype 7.36 now, but version 7 have many accessibility
issues and even the program sometimes closed without my will!
i did not have this problem using version 6 of skype
can someone off list help me to learn how to use teamtalk for telephony?
the advantage of teamtalk is not forcing update!
i can download any version that i want to use and keep it forever
without update and worried for update and compatibility with my
windows!

On 2/15/18, Michael Capelle <mcapelle@charter.net> wrote:
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has
died.

From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as
far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the
quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not
for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain,
since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to
come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary
telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls
and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking
Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is
much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of
Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on
XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.




http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Google appearing in Frame in Firefox

 

the best way is disabling javascript in about:config
you can use normal
google.com
without such problem in this case.
also
you can test
http://google.com/webhp?complete=0
i tried it last year and it worked perfectly.
in that time, i did not disable javascript.

On 2/15/18, Chris via Groups.Io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
That’s really odd, i visted the link you posted and it seems fine here
nothing blocking it and works fine

I guess you could try a portable version to see if that’s the same issue


From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 15 February 2018 13:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google appearing in Frame in Firefox

Chris,

The 2got it” button does not react. I do not have cookies blocked.

I see that there is a Google tool bar at the top of the screen which must be
coming from Google itself as there is no such toolbar in my version of
Firefox.

The display also has an indication that it is a frame but, again, Firefox
does nto have any reference to frames in the menus.
It’s a puzzle!


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google appearing in Frame in Firefox

It sounds like to me that cookie warning message that EU regulation dictates
that must be shown when ever you visit a new site
It usually says got it link to clear it in most instances
Unless you have blocked cookies for some reason it should clear

Thank god we leaving all that BS behind
😃



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Phasing out of 7

 

which program should i use instead of skype for telephony?
i am using skype 7.36 now, but version 7 have many accessibility
issues and even the program sometimes closed without my will!
i did not have this problem using version 6 of skype
can someone off list help me to learn how to use teamtalk for telephony?
the advantage of teamtalk is not forcing update!
i can download any version that i want to use and keep it forever
without update and worried for update and compatibility with my
windows!

On 2/15/18, Michael Capelle <mcapelle@charter.net> wrote:
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has
died.

From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as
far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the
quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not
for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain,
since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to
come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary
telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls
and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking
Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is
much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of
Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on
XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.




http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what


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nvda as windows 10 app

mattias
 

anny progress?


Re: Phasing out of 7

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 
Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 
i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.


http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what


Re: Phasing out of 7

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.
 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 
i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.


http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what


Re: Google appearing in Frame in Firefox

Chris
 

That’s really odd, i visted the link you posted and it seems fine here nothing blocking it and works fine

 

I guess you could try a portable version to see if that’s the same issue

 

 

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 15 February 2018 13:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google appearing in Frame in Firefox

 

Chris,

 

The 2got it button does not react. I do not have cookies blocked.

 

I see that there is a Google tool bar at the top of the screen which must be coming from Google itself as there is no such toolbar in my version of Firefox.

 

The display also has an indication that it is a frame but, again, Firefox does nto have any reference to frames in the menus.

Its a puzzle!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google appearing in Frame in Firefox

 

It sounds like to me that cookie warning message that EU regulation dictates that must be shown when ever you visit a new site

It usually says got it link to clear it in most instances

Unless you have blocked cookies for some reason it should clear

 

Thank god we leaving all that BS behind

😃

 

 


Re: Phasing out of 7

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.


http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what


Phasing out of 7

 

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.


http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what


Re: Google appearing in Frame in Firefox

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Chris,

 

The 2got it button does not react. I do not have cookies blocked.

 

I see that there is a Google tool bar at the top of the screen which must be coming from Google itself as there is no such toolbar in my version of Firefox.

 

The display also has an indication that it is a frame but, again, Firefox does nto have any reference to frames in the menus.

Its a puzzle!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google appearing in Frame in Firefox

 

It sounds like to me that cookie warning message that EU regulation dictates that must be shown when ever you visit a new site

It usually says got it link to clear it in most instances

Unless you have blocked cookies for some reason it should clear

 

Thank god we leaving all that BS behind

😃

 


Re: Google appearing in Frame in Firefox

Gene
 

Instant search has the inconvenience of not allowing you to hear what you type efficiently.  But that's the only problem it causes.  You can type at the normal speed regardless of what you hear.  Editing what you type, as I recall, is slow.  But why go through any of this nonsense? 
Firefox, as do other browsers, allows you to search without going to Google.  In Firefox, issue the command control k, type your search and press enter.  The standard results page comes up.  If Google isn't used by default in this feature, it can be set to use Google.

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google appearing in Frame in Firefox

Jean,

 

I appreciate your taking this issue seriously, thanks.

 

The point of using the phrase search?complete=0 is to disable Google Instant Search without being signed in to a Google account.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 5:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google appearing in Frame in Firefox

 

What is the advantage of using the iesearch syntax?  If you just use the google.com page, you are placed in the search field if you have JAVA scripts enabled.  If you don't, you can very easily move to it.  Once you do your search and the results come up, you can move from result to result with the letter h for move by heading.  You have to press h a number of times to get to the first result.  Are you going through all this for no advantage?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:37 PM

Subject: [nvda] Google appearing in Frame in Firefox

 

Hi all,

 

I am using Firefox latest version, windows 10 and Google search page with the latest NVDA.

 

I have set my default page in Firefox to:

https://www.google.ie/search?complete=0

 

This has worked fine for many years until two nights ago.

 

Now Google opens up with some sort of frame that I cannot navigate clearly enough to describe here. The frame ends with a got it button which appears under the cursor when the page is fully loaded. I press enter or space bar to select the got it button in the hope that this will bring me back to the simple Google search edit box. However, nothing happens!

 

The screen goes completely still and no keys work on it. NVDA freezes. After about two minutes, NVDA wakes up and announces Google but then stops.

 

When I get a bit of reaction from the screen I can see that Google is in some sort of frame. I cannot find any description of frames in Firefox and so I am stumped!

 

Can anyone advise what is happening and what I can do to get back to my normal Google search window?

 

By the way, I had the latest Firefox when this problem first appeared. I have now gone back to Firefox  56.2 in the hope that the earlier Firefox would not invoke the Google frames but Google still does the same thing. I opened Google with the search?complete=0 argument and it opens without any problem. This issue seems to apply only to Firefox when using the Google search engine.

 

Please help while I still have some hair left!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: nvdaHelperRemote persists with latest snapshot

Christo de Klerk
 

Yes, I agree absolutely with your thoughts.

In this case the problem started manifesting itself with all snapshots after 4 February. My computer is a 64 bit Lenovo running on a fully updated version of Windows 10. It makes no difference whether or not add-ons are enabled. I use Defender as my anti-virus program and nothing else unusual is running in the background. When I fall back to the snapshot of 4 February, all is fine again.

If this snapshot is the one which might be released, then I am seriously concerned, because I will then not be able to update on that computer.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2018/02/15 11:18 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Does the master branch latest snap work, as this is the one which will become the next release, not the next snaps.
I really think we have seen a number of unexplained strange behaviours in the last few weeks. Whether this is just coincidence or not I have no idea. Some people are using windows 7 others 8 and 10, so maybe they are not connected, but maybe there os some extra ingredient here we are all missing. Some update to a piece of code running in the background, such as anti virus or service that is messing about with  more recent versions of nvda.#

I think these really do need a member of the dev team to try to find out the exact environments and extents of problems in a system  smitten by one of these weird effects. Thus far the only one I've seen is the inability to restart sometimes after an update, traced to the core of windows being processing removal of locked folders and files and these usually  go away if a delay in restarting is don or a reboot of nvda. These issues afflict some other software so have to be a windows thing. In the case of the people with problems these seem to be.
A dll missing which is part of a Microsoft runtime package
Intermittent refusal to speak menus and parts of dialogues
Lack of virtual buffers oon browsers.
Some of these are very reminiscent of  non registered dll files of inability to locate said files by some part of the system. As these files mostly only show up as a problem when using a screenreader, it may well be there are problems in the wider community, which is going undetected, perhaps due to a combination of windows updates or updates to other software in the background. Of course it could b that the specifics of calling code are not entirely correct in certain circumstances making  the nvda program have issues.

I really do think that somebody needs to find a way to raise all these things as issues sooner rather than later as you say, in case there is a wider issue. If developers can simulate the environment in use that causes these problems, then fixing them is not so hard.
Just my penneth on it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 5:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] nvdaHelperRemote persists with latest snapshot


Hello especially to the NVDA developers


A few days ago (a few snapshots ago) I wrote that when I updated NVDA to the new snapshot, I received an error message with the following label:


nvdaHelperRemote (outprocMgrThreadFunc)

The text of the error message is:


Error registering focus winEvent hook

Then there is an Ok button. When I Ok the dialog, NVDA works, except that there is no browse mode buffer which makes web browsing impossible.


This problem persists with the very latest snapshot which I have just installed, so I had to fall back again to the last working snapshot which is from about 4 February. This happens only on my 64 bit machine.


The result of this is that I have not been able to use the last number of snapshots and I have a real concern that this problem may manifest itself once 2018.1 gets released which would mean that I will not be able to use that version on my 64 bit machine.


Does anyone have any idea what is happening here?


Kind regards


Christo






Re: Google appearing in Frame in Firefox

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Jean,

 

I appreciate your taking this issue seriously, thanks.

 

The point of using the phrase search?complete=0 is to disable Google Instant Search without being signed in to a Google account.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 5:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google appearing in Frame in Firefox

 

What is the advantage of using the iesearch syntax?  If you just use the google.com page, you are placed in the search field if you have JAVA scripts enabled.  If you don't, you can very easily move to it.  Once you do your search and the results come up, you can move from result to result with the letter h for move by heading.  You have to press h a number of times to get to the first result.  Are you going through all this for no advantage?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:37 PM

Subject: [nvda] Google appearing in Frame in Firefox

 

Hi all,

 

I am using Firefox latest version, windows 10 and Google search page with the latest NVDA.

 

I have set my default page in Firefox to:

https://www.google.ie/search?complete=0

 

This has worked fine for many years until two nights ago.

 

Now Google opens up with some sort of frame that I cannot navigate clearly enough to describe here. The frame ends with a got it button which appears under the cursor when the page is fully loaded. I press enter or space bar to select the got it button in the hope that this will bring me back to the simple Google search edit box. However, nothing happens!

 

The screen goes completely still and no keys work on it. NVDA freezes. After about two minutes, NVDA wakes up and announces Google but then stops.

 

When I get a bit of reaction from the screen I can see that Google is in some sort of frame. I cannot find any description of frames in Firefox and so I am stumped!

 

Can anyone advise what is happening and what I can do to get back to my normal Google search window?

 

By the way, I had the latest Firefox when this problem first appeared. I have now gone back to Firefox  56.2 in the hope that the earlier Firefox would not invoke the Google frames but Google still does the same thing. I opened Google with the search?complete=0 argument and it opens without any problem. This issue seems to apply only to Firefox when using the Google search engine.

 

Please help while I still have some hair left!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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