Date   

Re: Phasing out of 7

 

It is very good.





On 2/16/2018 2:03 PM, The Wolf wrote:

is the audo quality good?

Hank

On 2/16/2018 11:01 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.


You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.


I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.





On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:
i never messed with zoom,





Re: Phasing out of 7

 

On 2/16/2018 11:04 AM, Michael Capelle wrote:
where do you get zoom from?
 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.

 

You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.

 

I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.

 

 


 

On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:
i never messed with zoom,





Re: Phasing out of 7

 

is the audo quality good?

Hank

On 2/16/2018 11:01 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.


You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.


I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.





On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:
i never messed with zoom,





Re: Phasing out of 7

 

how did you get both of the versions to play nice together?

one of the weird things about skype 8 is that when you hit space bar or the inter key on the info button it brings up a context menue for configuring audio video settings and stuff like that.
I have not tried it on windows10 my macbook running boot camp will not support windows10
but I have a samsung laptop that my neighbor gave me before he moved
am trying to get a power cord for it to power it up it is running windows8.1 how ever I do plan on upgrading the laptop to windows10
Hank

On 2/16/2018 8:58 AM, Lenron wrote:
I can get by in skype 8 but I still use 7 a lot of the time. To be
fair there are so many other ways to communicate if I need to so not
majorly worried.. Companies do thing they feel they need to and at
times we got to move on and get with it or use another companys
products.

On 2/16/18, Damien Garwood <damien@dcpendleton.plus.com> wrote:
Hi Lino,
I think that’s a bit harsh, given how everyone is different.
Sometimes, updating software, or “moving forward”, can be fun, new,
creative, refreshing and so on. And let’s face it, a lot of the time, it is.
I love nothing better than seeing an announcement promising a software
update. Look at the change log, what’s new here? Does it have feature X? Has
bug Y been fixed? Is it a bit faster than it was?
Others find it a challenge worth the hassle. Oh dear. It needs updating.
Well, I’ll stick with it, see how it goes. That sounds like me when I know
there is a minor, note minor, interface change.
Still others aren’t even sure how to update. Well I guess autoupdaters can
be heaven for them.
However, for those who rely on an interface for getting around, a complete
interface change like what Skype has decided to do is nothing more than
terrifying. Especially now given that interface elements can’t be
customised, there are no shortcuts, and the window is as cluttered as an old
dumping ground.
I spent a day with the new Skype 8, and felt exceptionally rude, all because
I couldn’t tell when contacts were chatting at me.
Personally, the switch from Skype 7 to Skype 8, especially because it is
mandatory (short of completely removing it), is like someone telling me that
my house is being completely rebuilt from scratch, changing the entire
layout of the house and all the rooms, removing my kitchen and master
bedroom, and replacing the lock with a code entry system with no idea what
the code is. So yes. I, and seemingly several others, intend to cling onto
Skype 7’s debris until it is physically snatched away from us.
To be honest, being taught how to use computers in the good old XP days, I’m
actually surprised I ever plucked up courage to touch Windows 7, let alone
use it on a regular basis. Even now there are still things that rankle me.
As for Windows 10...I spent two days with it on my machine, and a few hours
with a friend via NVDA Remote, and each time I felt like I could quite
cheerfully throw the computer out the window. Thank the Microsoft gods for
rollback! Still on 7 for a while longer.
For someone on the autistic spectrum this is harder still. And yes, I’m not
ashamed to admit that I fall into that category as well. I like to be in
control of a situation, and when that is snatched away from me, you may as
well be taking sweets from a baby. It launches me into panic mode.
I’m sorry if that upsets or frustrates you, but we’re all different. We all
have our own opinions, lifestyles, methods, skill levels, abilities,
disabilities, comfort zones, adventure cravings, friends and enemies, loves
and hates, lifechangers and shortfalls. And nobody, I repeat nobody, is
perfect. The world would be boring if we were all robots, and so telling
people to “grow up” based on your own conclusions is counterproductive and
won’t benefit anyone. Granted, I don’t believe we should have everything
handed to us on a silver platter with diamond juice for dessert, but I do
believe we have a basic right to accessibility.
The idea of this list is to share our experiences and help others with all
things NVDA, and as far as I see it, except for a few posts, we’re all
sharing our experiences with Skype 8. The message I’m getting is that it
apparently works better on 10 than it does on 7, my experience shows that
the Electron version has only a rudimentary concept of accessibility,
certainly not enough to be able to use it effectively, and so the Win7 users
are clinging onto Skype 7 until it breathes its last. In my view, there’s
nothing wrong with that.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of
mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in
the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting
up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version
of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t
ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record
this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or
shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on
all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!



Lino Morales



From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is
already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for
nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't
absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but,
judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer
Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered,
others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and
made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not
totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and
that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype
version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do,
those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever
reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about
any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will
future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is
there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us
until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions,
or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA
are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear
from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links
dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
thats all we ask.

Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.

Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
if that would change things some.




On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of
Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility
and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not
forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our
concerns.
Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that
version is installed in our machines.
He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype
classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be
reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of
Skype classic.
That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team
but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to
switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using
less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using
windows 10.
To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what
screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability
answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype
support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the
day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that
which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of
visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from
dying!
HTH
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.

I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.

Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
skype is used a lot and the family well.

When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?

If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.




On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really
has died.

From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8,
and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the
quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B,
not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a
pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to
ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with
Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my
primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility
shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s
me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already
was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality
is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in
favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what
you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk
anyway.




http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what













Re: Phasing out of 7

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi,
Personally, while I could connect with Skype 8, I couldn’t use it. By some fluke I have no idea how to reproduce, I managed to navigate my contacts, but that was literally it. No menus, no shortcuts...
The Skype addon has been in circulation for quite some time now, so it will be for Skype 7 and/or older.
Cheers.
Damien.
 

From: The Wolf
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

Hello

I am also autistic so can totally feel you on that one.

I seem to remember that there used to be a skype nvda add on floating around some where.

I don't know if it is for skype 7 or 8

can any one on the list correct me on this?

sense I could not run skype 7 classic on my windows7 64 bit machine it flat out refused to connect for me.

weird because some people can get it to work and others can not
am possibly thinking that it may have to do with the email address that is being used?

just throwing out ideas there on why it will connect for some people and not others

skype 8 is useable but it does still need a bit of work.
thanks
Hank
On 2/16/2018 8:15 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi Lino,
I think that’s a bit harsh, given how everyone is different.
Sometimes, updating software, or “moving forward”, can be fun, new, creative, refreshing and so on. And let’s face it, a lot of the time, it is. I love nothing better than seeing an announcement promising a software update. Look at the change log, what’s new here? Does it have feature X? Has bug Y been fixed? Is it a bit faster than it was?
Others find it a challenge worth the hassle. Oh dear. It needs updating. Well, I’ll stick with it, see how it goes. That sounds like me when I know there is a minor, note minor, interface change.
Still others aren’t even sure how to update. Well I guess autoupdaters can be heaven for them.
However, for those who rely on an interface for getting around, a complete interface change like what Skype has decided to do is nothing more than terrifying. Especially now given that interface elements can’t be customised, there are no shortcuts, and the window is as cluttered as an old dumping ground.
I spent a day with the new Skype 8, and felt exceptionally rude, all because I couldn’t tell when contacts were chatting at me.
Personally, the switch from Skype 7 to Skype 8, especially because it is mandatory (short of completely removing it), is like someone telling me that my house is being completely rebuilt from scratch, changing the entire layout of the house and all the rooms, removing my kitchen and master bedroom, and replacing the lock with a code entry system with no idea what the code is. So yes. I, and seemingly several others, intend to cling onto Skype 7’s debris until it is physically snatched away from us.
To be honest, being taught how to use computers in the good old XP days, I’m actually surprised I ever plucked up courage to touch Windows 7, let alone use it on a regular basis. Even now there are still things that rankle me. As for Windows 10...I spent two days with it on my machine, and a few hours with a friend via NVDA Remote, and each time I felt like I could quite cheerfully throw the computer out the window. Thank the Microsoft gods for rollback! Still on 7 for a while longer.
For someone on the autistic spectrum this is harder still. And yes, I’m not ashamed to admit that I fall into that category as well. I like to be in control of a situation, and when that is snatched away from me, you may as well be taking sweets from a baby. It launches me into panic mode.
I’m sorry if that upsets or frustrates you, but we’re all different. We all have our own opinions, lifestyles, methods, skill levels, abilities, disabilities, comfort zones, adventure cravings, friends and enemies, loves and hates, lifechangers and shortfalls. And nobody, I repeat nobody, is perfect. The world would be boring if we were all robots, and so telling people to “grow up” based on your own conclusions is counterproductive and won’t benefit anyone. Granted, I don’t believe we should have everything handed to us on a silver platter with diamond juice for dessert, but I do believe we have a basic right to accessibility.
The idea of this list is to share our experiences and help others with all things NVDA, and as far as I see it, except for a few posts, we’re all sharing our experiences with Skype 8. The message I’m getting is that it apparently works better on 10 than it does on 7, my experience shows that the Electron version has only a rudimentary concept of accessibility, certainly not enough to be able to use it effectively, and so the Win7 users are clinging onto Skype 7 until it breathes its last. In my view, there’s nothing wrong with that.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>> inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>> +92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>





 



Re: Fighting for accessibility (Phasing out of 7)

 

my friend I couldn't have said it better myself

<smiles>
Hank

On 2/16/2018 8:37 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi Michael,
I agree to an extent. Change is a necessary evil. I learned that a long time ago, and being on the autistic spectrum, it wasn’t a pleasant lesson. So I get by. Just. But if the workplace updated their systems to a point where it was inaccessible, we wouldn’t lose anything because we wouldn’t be able to do the work in the first place.
It’s a tricky one, because I can see both sides of the blind coin.
On the one level, we all have to get used to the fact that we live in a sighted world. Like it or not, we are a minority and so we, along with our other disabled brethren, find ourselves either overlooked, or worse, ignored. For some, like me, who have been blind from birth, this is frustrating because we have no concept at all as to what vision is in order to reference it and therefore to form a basic opinion or theory as to why it seems to be 90% of the world’s main sense. Be that as it may, we still have to conform to their rules, transact on their terms and, as far as accessibility goes, beg at their heels.
On the other hand, we are human beings just the same as them. And so if a sighted person has the right to email a company and say, “We would find touching a screen easier than pressing arrowed buttons!”, or, “I can’t see the window, the background’s too dark!”, and get an update, then why can’t we email, say we’re struggling to use an application with a screenreader, or even a device, and even get a response, let alone an update. So I can see why a lot of accessibility advocates are getting defensive at their level, calling for campaigns, protests, lawsuits etc in order to make the world more accessible, while the “realists”, if you like, are also getting defensive and saying that the world doesn’t revolve around a minority. I think that’s why the majority of our most accessible applications tend to come from blind users/developers themselves.
It’s certainly not as straightforward a case to fight and protest as the old discriminations, man versus woman, white versus black etc, which were thankfully conquered at least on many national levels some decades or centuries ago.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 
Hey there.
i do agree with a few things here.
we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or not.
if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think whining and complaining would get you anywhere?
no, it would get you fired.
we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.
 
 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>> inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>> +92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>





 



Re: Phasing out of 7

 

Hello

I am also autistic so can totally feel you on that one.

I seem to remember that there used to be a skype nvda add on floating around some where.

I don't know if it is for skype 7 or 8

can any one on the list correct me on this?

sense I could not run skype 7 classic on my windows7 64 bit machine it flat out refused to connect for me.

weird because some people can get it to work and others can not
am possibly thinking that it may have to do with the email address that is being used?

just throwing out ideas there on why it will connect for some people and not others

skype 8 is useable but it does still need a bit of work.
thanks
Hank

On 2/16/2018 8:15 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi Lino,
I think that’s a bit harsh, given how everyone is different.
Sometimes, updating software, or “moving forward”, can be fun, new, creative, refreshing and so on. And let’s face it, a lot of the time, it is. I love nothing better than seeing an announcement promising a software update. Look at the change log, what’s new here? Does it have feature X? Has bug Y been fixed? Is it a bit faster than it was?
Others find it a challenge worth the hassle. Oh dear. It needs updating. Well, I’ll stick with it, see how it goes. That sounds like me when I know there is a minor, note minor, interface change.
Still others aren’t even sure how to update. Well I guess autoupdaters can be heaven for them.
However, for those who rely on an interface for getting around, a complete interface change like what Skype has decided to do is nothing more than terrifying. Especially now given that interface elements can’t be customised, there are no shortcuts, and the window is as cluttered as an old dumping ground.
I spent a day with the new Skype 8, and felt exceptionally rude, all because I couldn’t tell when contacts were chatting at me.
Personally, the switch from Skype 7 to Skype 8, especially because it is mandatory (short of completely removing it), is like someone telling me that my house is being completely rebuilt from scratch, changing the entire layout of the house and all the rooms, removing my kitchen and master bedroom, and replacing the lock with a code entry system with no idea what the code is. So yes. I, and seemingly several others, intend to cling onto Skype 7’s debris until it is physically snatched away from us.
To be honest, being taught how to use computers in the good old XP days, I’m actually surprised I ever plucked up courage to touch Windows 7, let alone use it on a regular basis. Even now there are still things that rankle me. As for Windows 10...I spent two days with it on my machine, and a few hours with a friend via NVDA Remote, and each time I felt like I could quite cheerfully throw the computer out the window. Thank the Microsoft gods for rollback! Still on 7 for a while longer.
For someone on the autistic spectrum this is harder still. And yes, I’m not ashamed to admit that I fall into that category as well. I like to be in control of a situation, and when that is snatched away from me, you may as well be taking sweets from a baby. It launches me into panic mode.
I’m sorry if that upsets or frustrates you, but we’re all different. We all have our own opinions, lifestyles, methods, skill levels, abilities, disabilities, comfort zones, adventure cravings, friends and enemies, loves and hates, lifechangers and shortfalls. And nobody, I repeat nobody, is perfect. The world would be boring if we were all robots, and so telling people to “grow up” based on your own conclusions is counterproductive and won’t benefit anyone. Granted, I don’t believe we should have everything handed to us on a silver platter with diamond juice for dessert, but I do believe we have a basic right to accessibility.
The idea of this list is to share our experiences and help others with all things NVDA, and as far as I see it, except for a few posts, we’re all sharing our experiences with Skype 8. The message I’m getting is that it apparently works better on 10 than it does on 7, my experience shows that the Electron version has only a rudimentary concept of accessibility, certainly not enough to be able to use it effectively, and so the Win7 users are clinging onto Skype 7 until it breathes its last. In my view, there’s nothing wrong with that.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>> inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>> +92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>





 



Re: Phasing out of 7

Felix G.
 

Hi!
I completely agree. This is why I have an XP virtual machine which I regularly restore to a virus-free snapshot if it gets owned by something out there.
Best regards,
Felix


Gene <gsasner@...> schrieb am Fr., 16. Feb. 2018 um 19:23 Uhr:

Maybe when a program you use becomes markedly less accessible, you will adopt a more tolerant attitude. 
 
One reason I keep XP machines around is because Windows Media Player used in that version of Windows is much more convenient to use for a feature I use regularly.  If there are other players that implement the feature as well, I don't know of them.  I'm not resisting change.  I'm using the program that meets my needs significantly better than newer versions.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi, Michael,

 

You're darn right that no employer would put up with whining and complaining from any employee whether blind or sighted. They'd be fired right on the spot! I don't know why some people are afraid of change. As I always say, it's time to get a life. Like the old saying goes, shape up or ship out.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hey there.

i do agree with a few things here.

we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or not.

if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think whining and complaining would get you anywhere?

no, it would get you fired.

we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.

 

 

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>> inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>> +92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




 


Re: Phasing out of 7

 

last time I tried skype 7 it didn't work it said that error connecting

when I got version 8 it connected with out a hitch

On 2/16/2018 6:21 AM, Clare Page wrote:
Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
thats all we ask.

Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.

Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
if that would change things some.




On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
HTH
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.

I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.

Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
skype is used a lot and the family well.

When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?

If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.




On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.

From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.




http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what









.


Re: Phasing out of 7

Gene
 

Maybe when a program you use becomes markedly less accessible, you will adopt a more tolerant attitude. 
 
One reason I keep XP machines around is because Windows Media Player used in that version of Windows is much more convenient to use for a feature I use regularly.  If there are other players that implement the feature as well, I don't know of them.  I'm not resisting change.  I'm using the program that meets my needs significantly better than newer versions.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi, Michael,

 

You're darn right that no employer would put up with whining and complaining from any employee whether blind or sighted. They'd be fired right on the spot! I don't know why some people are afraid of change. As I always say, it's time to get a life. Like the old saying goes, shape up or ship out.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hey there.

i do agree with a few things here.

we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or not.

if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think whining and complaining would get you anywhere?

no, it would get you fired.

we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.

 

 

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>> inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>> +92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




 


Re: Phasing out of 7

Felix G.
 

Hi!
Wow, makes me feel glad to be working in an environment where nobody gets fired right on the spot for voicing a valid complaint.
What makes you assume that someone pointing out accessibility flaws doesn't have a life? That's a pretty generalizing statement from my standpoint, and I'd love to understand the underlying logic before dismissing it as simplistic and/or impolite.
Also, is it valid at this point to assume that if someone is afraid of losing access to something, they are automatically afraid of change in general? I don't see how that follows. Even if someone were afraid of change, would that disqualify them as a valuable human being?
Finally, you mention the paradigm of shaping up or shipping out. Let's say some software gets replaced and the new version has serious accessibility flaws making it impossible for someone to be as productive as before, what exactly would shaping up consist of?
Looking forward to some fruitful discourse.
Best regards,
Felix

Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> schrieb am Fr., 16. Feb. 2018 um 18:43 Uhr:

Hi, Michael,

 

You're darn right that no employer would put up with whining and complaining from any employee whether blind or sighted. They'd be fired right on the spot! I don't know why some people are afraid of change. As I always say, it's time to get a life. Like the old saying goes, shape up or ship out.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 6:45 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hey there.

i do agree with a few things here.

we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or not.

if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think whining and complaining would get you anywhere?

no, it would get you fired.

we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.

 

 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>> inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>> +92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




 


Re: Phasing out of 7

Lino Morales
 

www.zoom.us

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

where do you get zoom from?

 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.

 

You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.

 

I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.

 

 

 

On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:

i never messed with zoom,


 


Re: Phasing out of 7

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

where do you get zoom from?
 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.

 

You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.

 

I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.

 

 


 

On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:
i never messed with zoom,




Re: Phasing out of 7

 

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.


You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.


I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.





On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:
i never messed with zoom,




Re: Phasing out of 7

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Michael,

 

You're darn right that no employer would put up with whining and complaining from any employee whether blind or sighted. They'd be fired right on the spot! I don't know why some people are afraid of change. As I always say, it's time to get a life. Like the old saying goes, shape up or ship out.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hey there.

i do agree with a few things here.

we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or not.

if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think whining and complaining would get you anywhere?

no, it would get you fired.

we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.

 

 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>> inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>> +92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




 


Re: Phasing out of 7

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

No the message is empty apart from the quoted stuff here as well.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Capelle" <mcapelle@charter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


Hey there, i dont know if this is your e-mail program acting up, but i am not seeing your part of the conversation.

From: Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7





Lino Morales



From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Hey there.

i do agree with a few things here.

we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or not.

if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think whining and complaining would get you anywhere?

no, it would get you fired.

we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.





From: Lino Morales

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!



Lino Morales



From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
thats all we ask.

Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.

Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
if that would change things some.




On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
HTH
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.

I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.

Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
skype is used a lot and the family well.

When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?

If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.




On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.

From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.




http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what








Re: Fighting for accessibility (Phasing out of 7)

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Hi, yes the problem is this. I think if the blind were taken into account right at the start of development it would be very easy to build in the required bits to make them work with screenreaders.
One of the annoying trends I see are the clueless web developers who think merely adding a read aloud button to their site is all they need to do. Who exactly that helps is unclear. Its the self voicing app I hate with a passion, at least one where it cannot be turned off and the program used by a standard screenreader.

I've had a lot of arguments over this kind of thing.

I'm for ever having to help out a friend who went for Guide. When guide falls over as it seems to do monthly at windows update time, I am the one who needs to go around with nvda and try to rescue the system. Usually several sighted people have managed to screw it up further before I get there and its a mess to fathom out the problem.

I suppose if/when narrator speeds up enough to be a viable alternative we can all go off into the sunset, but odds are that there will still be applications that pay no heed to access and are probably written on one platform then ported over from there.
Bryan

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Damien Garwood" <damien@dcpendleton.plus.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:37 PM
Subject: [nvda] Fighting for accessibility (Phasing out of 7)


Hi Michael,
I agree to an extent. Change is a necessary evil. I learned that a long time ago, and being on the autistic spectrum, it wasn’t a pleasant lesson. So I get by. Just. But if the workplace updated their systems to a point where it was inaccessible, we wouldn’t lose anything because we wouldn’t be able to do the work in the first place.
It’s a tricky one, because I can see both sides of the blind coin.
On the one level, we all have to get used to the fact that we live in a sighted world. Like it or not, we are a minority and so we, along with our other disabled brethren, find ourselves either overlooked, or worse, ignored. For some, like me, who have been blind from birth, this is frustrating because we have no concept at all as to what vision is in order to reference it and therefore to form a basic opinion or theory as to why it seems to be 90% of the world’s main sense. Be that as it may, we still have to conform to their rules, transact on their terms and, as far as accessibility goes, beg at their heels.
On the other hand, we are human beings just the same as them. And so if a sighted person has the right to email a company and say, “We would find touching a screen easier than pressing arrowed buttons!”, or, “I can’t see the window, the background’s too dark!”, and get an update, then why can’t we email, say we’re struggling to use an application with a screenreader, or even a device, and even get a response, let alone an update. So I can see why a lot of accessibility advocates are getting defensive at their level, calling for campaigns, protests, lawsuits etc in order to make the world more accessible, while the “realists”, if you like, are also getting defensive and saying that the world doesn’t revolve around a minority. I think that’s why the majority of our most accessible applications tend to come from blind users/developers themselves.
It’s certainly not as straightforward a case to fight and protest as the old discriminations, man versus woman, white versus black etc, which were thankfully conquered at least on many national levels some decades or centuries ago.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hey there.
i do agree with a few things here.
we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or not.
if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think whining and complaining would get you anywhere?
no, it would get you fired.
we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.


From: Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!



Lino Morales



From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
thats all we ask.

Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.

Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
if that would change things some.




On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
HTH
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.

I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.

Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
skype is used a lot and the family well.

When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?

If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.




On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.

From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.




http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what








Re: CodeFactory voices constantly malfunctioning

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Should not this be able to do this without the voices being run though? After all it presumably has a start up at boot routine to check this, and it could also report any new versions or bug fixes at the same time as do other bits of software, sometimes rather too often. (ccleaner for example)
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Bushman" <libertyroundtable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CodeFactory voices constantly malfunctioning


According the code factory FAQ - you need to be online - they system
confirms it's licensing over the internet at least once a month. If it
doesn't see the connection and confirm it deactivates.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 1:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CodeFactory voices constantly malfunctioning

Yeah! This has happened to me also. I find that making sure that I fire up
NVDA periodically with the Code Factory voices keeps this from happening.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Robinson" <jardatalearningcenter@jardata.biz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:07 AM
Subject: [nvda] CodeFactory voices constantly malfunctioning


Hello!

Six or so months ago, I purchased the CodeFactory Synthesizers and
installed
it on one machine. On a regular bases, when I load NVDA, I discover that
the system asks me to activate the product. Then I run the activation
program at least ten times; I did not use codefactory for three or four
months; when I opened it up again, the voices were gone and NVDA went back
to its original state; I tried to reactivate the program and the system
tells me that all of my counts have been used up; that is not possible
because I only have the product on one machine; when I try to deactivate
this one instance of the program key, I get the message that all three
keys
are used and nothing else can be done; what is going on with this program
and how can I make it work again? Why must I keep activating this
program?
I enjoy NVDA better with the CodeFactory voices; otherwise it sounds too
much like a machine and not that pleasant to listen to. I hope someone
can
tell me what to do with this product.

James Robinson








Re: OE Classic 28 ads even more accessibility

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I think I'l wait till I get into windows 10 again when I get a new puter and start with it on that. the price seems pretty good as long as their help desk can actually help, if you get my drift.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic 28 ads even more accessibility


I have no idea if it has identities but version 28 has not hit the free version yet. My guess is that when 29 hits the pro version 28 will be free. I think its like $30? Anyway, I looked in the help files but could not find anything about identities. I would have a poke around on their FAQ and news blog. Their website is below.

https://www.oeclassic.com


Re: NVDA Says too much

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I seem to recall it was at one time, its been a while since I've read the manual, I have to admit to just playing with options and working out what they do!
I think some screenreaders, say Supernova has verbosity settings for menus and all sorts of other bits and bobs. that product being a magnifier and screenreader also has versions which are cheaper if you don't need a lot of speech.
Not that I'm plugging them as once again they are not cheap.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Says too much


This is an illustration of one reason why people might prefer tutorials to the manual at least until they get to a moderate or advanced stage of learning. Here is a quote from the manual on the object description setting..
Report Object descriptions
Uncheck this checkbox if you don't wish to have the description reported along with objects.

Very informative. I could have figured that out from the name of the item in the dialog, report object description. Couldn't one example of a description have been given?

Gene

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 5:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Says too much


If ssuch a setting is anywhere, it should be in object presentation settings. The question is about menu items and list items, not about lists in documents such as in a browser.

Also, I don't know how what you hear varies from version of Windows to version of Windows. I don't hear such information in XP or Windows 7 and my settings are the default ones. Maybe in Windows 10, changing something like report object descriptions might stop this information from being spoken, but I'd have to look up what this setting does to know if it would help.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 5:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Says too much


Hi Chris,


No problem at all re asking the question - if you don't ask, you'll never know :)


Many people use NVDA in different ways, and different people need different information read out. In NVDA's Document formatting dialog - press NVDA+control+d to open it (or press NVDA+n for the NVDA menu, then choose "Preferences" then "Document formatting"), you can select which elements and information get read out, including list information.


Kind regards


Quentin.


On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 9:55 PM, Chris Bezant <chrisbezant999@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello
I just joined today. I am partially sighted and have been using NVDA for a while now and would be lost without it.
My question is: How can I stop it saying Menu Item, List Item etc?
Looking down a list of menu items I would like it to just say the item.
I hope this makes sense and hope it's not too trivial.
Thanks for any help.
Regards
Chris Bezant
chrisbezant999@gmail.com

Virus-free. www.avg.com








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