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Re: Phasing out of 7

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

yes, that’s correct; I was responding to an inquiry from Wolf which, if I’m not mistaken, asked about the audio quality of  the Zoom service, which I use from time to time. I haven’t been a skype user for years.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: February 16, 2018 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

I think that JM is talking about Zoom, and audio quality with that program.

On 2/16/2018 3:40 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

I beg to differ. The audio is crap! It was a lot better when Skype 6 and older was around.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

The audio quality is quite good. I’ve had a couple of moments of distortion and break-up, but that could just be my internet connection. The screen-sharing feature also lets you share your computer’s audio output, which is kind of neat.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: February 16, 2018 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

is the audo quality good?

Hank

On 2/16/2018 11:01 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.

 

You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.

 

I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.

 

 

 

On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:

i never messed with zoom,


 

 


Re: Phasing out of 7

Gene
 

I should also have said, and there is no equivalent program.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

How do you adapt to change if a program becomes inaccessible or largely so, and you can't use other methods, such as object navigation to access it?  That has been happening increasingly frequently.   Your faith in writing to developers is by no means going to accomplish anything.  Of course people should write to developers.  Don't you think that if it were more effective than on a hit and miss basis, that a lot of programs that are now inaccessible wouldn't be? 
 
You said we all must adapt to change.  What does that mean and under what circumstances should or must we adapt?  these are broad unexplained and undefined statements. 
 
If something someone uses meets their needs, then they don't have to change anything.  If someone has nees that aren't being met, then, if they want to meet those needs, they have to adapt to change if useable or accessible programs or operating systems are available. 
 
A lot of blind people receive poor instruction in Windows and in Windows programs.  They learn by rote so that changes that could be either easily or rather easily accomodated by others who are well taught are major problems for them. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,

 

Maybe what I said is a bit harsh but I can understand why some people can't change. Maybe for financial reasons they're not able to upgrade to windows 7 or 10 and I do get it. As far as people who are afraid of change, no, that doesn't make them less valuable than the rest of us. All I'm getting at is that one should write to a developer whether it's microsoft or some other company about trying to make something more accessible. I realize change can be hard but we do have to eventually adapt to it. I didn't mean to come off as being harsh.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 10:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!

Wow, makes me feel glad to be working in an environment where nobody gets fired right on the spot for voicing a valid complaint.

What makes you assume that someone pointing out accessibility flaws doesn't have a life? That's a pretty generalizing statement from my standpoint, and I'd love to understand the underlying logic before dismissing it as simplistic and/or impolite.

Also, is it valid at this point to assume that if someone is afraid of losing access to something, they are automatically afraid of change in general? I don't see how that follows. Even if someone were afraid of change, would that disqualify them as a valuable human being?

Finally, you mention the paradigm of shaping up or shipping out. Let's say some software gets replaced and the new version has serious accessibility flaws making it impossible for someone to be as productive as before, what exactly would shaping up consist of?

Looking forward to some fruitful discourse.
Best regards,

Felix

 

Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> schrieb am Fr., 16. Feb. 2018 um 18:43 Uhr:

Hi, Michael,

 

You're darn right that no employer would put up with whining and complaining from any employee whether blind or sighted. They'd be fired right on the spot! I don't know why some people are afraid of change. As I always say, it's time to get a life. Like the old saying goes, shape up or ship out.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 6:45 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hey there.

i do agree with a few things here.

we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or not.

if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think whining and complaining would get you anywhere?

no, it would get you fired.

we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.

 

 

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>> inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>> +92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>



 


Re: skype phase out

Lino Morales
 

 

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Skype UWP is the correct term here and yes it works well with WIN 10.Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype phase out

 

?Does skype for mobile work with windows 10?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype phase out

A little suggestion: you can use Skype for mobile phone which is accessible.

I still have Skype classic on PC, but Microsoft  should be more careful about accessibility for sure.

Ciao

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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss"
> <sm.everiss@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:06 PM
> Subject: [nvda] skype phase out
>
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Yeah we can no longer get skype classic anymore people have put it
>> out on dropbox, technically you can still get it if you have a tablet
>> but still.
>>
>> Someone needs to tell microsoft that skype 8 is not really that
>> accessible, and as well as that maybe the classic desktop interface
>> at least some of it should become part of the skype app.
>>
>> For now, skyprivate seems to have the file.
>>
>> http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
>>
>> The article I got from it was updated on the 15th and explains how to
>> get skype going and I found it with skype classic on google search.
>>
>> I am going to have to backup my skype classic to my dropbox though
>> its a real shame ms is killing skype for its users now.
>>
>> I still use it off and on if skype is becomming inaccessible, well
>> that will become a problem.
>>
>> I used it to help family members get a job, if it goes away I will
>> have to say I can no longer help anymore.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Phasing out of 7

Lino Morales
 

Oh Zoom’s audio quality rocks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Governor staten
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

I think that JM is talking about Zoom, and audio quality with that program.

On 2/16/2018 3:40 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

I beg to differ. The audio is crap! It was a lot better when Skype 6 and older was around.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

The audio quality is quite good. I’ve had a couple of moments of distortion and break-up, but that could just be my internet connection. The screen-sharing feature also lets you share your computer’s audio output, which is kind of neat.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: February 16, 2018 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

is the audo quality good?

Hank

On 2/16/2018 11:01 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.

 

You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.

 

I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.

 

 

 

On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:

i never messed with zoom,


 

 

 


Re: skype phase out

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

?Does skype for mobile work with windows 10?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype phase out

A little suggestion: you can use Skype for mobile phone which is accessible.

I still have Skype classic on PC, but Microsoft should be more careful about accessibility for sure.

Ciao

Il 16/02/2018 11:04, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
They know as I said earlier, perhaps they no longer care.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss"
<sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] skype phase out


Hi.

Yeah we can no longer get skype classic anymore people have put it
out on dropbox, technically you can still get it if you have a tablet
but still.

Someone needs to tell microsoft that skype 8 is not really that
accessible, and as well as that maybe the classic desktop interface
at least some of it should become part of the skype app.

For now, skyprivate seems to have the file.

http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe

The article I got from it was updated on the 15th and explains how to
get skype going and I found it with skype classic on google search.

I am going to have to backup my skype classic to my dropbox though
its a real shame ms is killing skype for its users now.

I still use it off and on if skype is becomming inaccessible, well
that will become a problem.

I used it to help family members get a job, if it goes away I will
have to say I can no longer help anymore.








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Re: Phasing out of 7

Gene
 

How do you adapt to change if a program becomes inaccessible or largely so, and you can't use other methods, such as object navigation to access it?  That has been happening increasingly frequently.   Your faith in writing to developers is by no means going to accomplish anything.  Of course people should write to developers.  Don't you think that if it were more effective than on a hit and miss basis, that a lot of programs that are now inaccessible wouldn't be? 
 
You said we all must adapt to change.  What does that mean and under what circumstances should or must we adapt?  these are broad unexplained and undefined statements. 
 
If something someone uses meets their needs, then they don't have to change anything.  If someone has nees that aren't being met, then, if they want to meet those needs, they have to adapt to change if useable or accessible programs or operating systems are available. 
 
A lot of blind people receive poor instruction in Windows and in Windows programs.  They learn by rote so that changes that could be either easily or rather easily accomodated by others who are well taught are major problems for them. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,

 

Maybe what I said is a bit harsh but I can understand why some people can't change. Maybe for financial reasons they're not able to upgrade to windows 7 or 10 and I do get it. As far as people who are afraid of change, no, that doesn't make them less valuable than the rest of us. All I'm getting at is that one should write to a developer whether it's microsoft or some other company about trying to make something more accessible. I realize change can be hard but we do have to eventually adapt to it. I didn't mean to come off as being harsh.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 10:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!

Wow, makes me feel glad to be working in an environment where nobody gets fired right on the spot for voicing a valid complaint.

What makes you assume that someone pointing out accessibility flaws doesn't have a life? That's a pretty generalizing statement from my standpoint, and I'd love to understand the underlying logic before dismissing it as simplistic and/or impolite.

Also, is it valid at this point to assume that if someone is afraid of losing access to something, they are automatically afraid of change in general? I don't see how that follows. Even if someone were afraid of change, would that disqualify them as a valuable human being?

Finally, you mention the paradigm of shaping up or shipping out. Let's say some software gets replaced and the new version has serious accessibility flaws making it impossible for someone to be as productive as before, what exactly would shaping up consist of?

Looking forward to some fruitful discourse.
Best regards,

Felix

 

Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> schrieb am Fr., 16. Feb. 2018 um 18:43 Uhr:

Hi, Michael,

 

You're darn right that no employer would put up with whining and complaining from any employee whether blind or sighted. They'd be fired right on the spot! I don't know why some people are afraid of change. As I always say, it's time to get a life. Like the old saying goes, shape up or ship out.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 6:45 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hey there.

i do agree with a few things here.

we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or not.

if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think whining and complaining would get you anywhere?

no, it would get you fired.

we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.

 

 

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>> inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>> +92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>



 


Re: Phasing out of 7

 

I think that JM is talking about Zoom, and audio quality with that program.

On 2/16/2018 3:40 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

I beg to differ. The audio is crap! It was a lot better when Skype 6 and older was around.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

The audio quality is quite good. I’ve had a couple of moments of distortion and break-up, but that could just be my internet connection. The screen-sharing feature also lets you share your computer’s audio output, which is kind of neat.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: February 16, 2018 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

is the audo quality good?

Hank

On 2/16/2018 11:01 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.

 

You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.

 

I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.

 

 

 

On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:

i never messed with zoom,

 

 


Re: Phasing out of 7

Lino Morales
 

I beg to differ. The audio is crap! It was a lot better when Skype 6 and older was around.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

The audio quality is quite good. I’ve had a couple of moments of distortion and break-up, but that could just be my internet connection. The screen-sharing feature also lets you share your computer’s audio output, which is kind of neat.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: February 16, 2018 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

is the audo quality good?

Hank

On 2/16/2018 11:01 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.

 

You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.

 

I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.

 

 

 

On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:

i never messed with zoom,

 

 


Re: Phasing out of 7

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

The audio quality is quite good. I’ve had a couple of moments of distortion and break-up, but that could just be my internet connection. The screen-sharing feature also lets you share your computer’s audio output, which is kind of neat.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: February 16, 2018 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

is the audo quality good?

Hank

On 2/16/2018 11:01 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.

 

You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.

 

I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.

 

 


 

On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:

i never messed with zoom,


 


Re: Phasing out of 7

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

From my experience once you go to win 10, that will be the end of old
skype.
If'm wrong how can I go back from the web version of skype?
I would know where is the best version of skype located for win 10?
Thank you?!




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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare
Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 6:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is
already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for
nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't
absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but,
judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer
Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered,
others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and
made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not
totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and
that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype
version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do,
those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever
reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about
any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future.
Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons,
or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help
us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for
desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above
questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype
8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy
to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links
dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
thats all we ask.

Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.

Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
if that would change things some.




On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of
Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility
and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not
forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our
concerns.
Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that
version is installed in our machines.
He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype
classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading
to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype
classic.
That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team
but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to
switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using
less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using
windows 10.
To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what
screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability
answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype
support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day
our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that
which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of
visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from
dying!
HTH
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.

I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.

Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
skype is used a lot and the family well.

When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?

If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.




On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype
really has died.

From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8,
and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the
quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not
for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain,
since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to
come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my
primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility
shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me
thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in
7.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality
is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in
favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what
you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk
anyway.




http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what








Re: Phasing out of 7

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

 

Maybe what I said is a bit harsh but I can understand why some people can't change. Maybe for financial reasons they're not able to upgrade to windows 7 or 10 and I do get it. As far as people who are afraid of change, no, that doesn't make them less valuable than the rest of us. All I'm getting at is that one should write to a developer whether it's microsoft or some other company about trying to make something more accessible. I realize change can be hard but we do have to eventually adapt to it. I didn't mean to come off as being harsh.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 10:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!

Wow, makes me feel glad to be working in an environment where nobody gets fired right on the spot for voicing a valid complaint.

What makes you assume that someone pointing out accessibility flaws doesn't have a life? That's a pretty generalizing statement from my standpoint, and I'd love to understand the underlying logic before dismissing it as simplistic and/or impolite.

Also, is it valid at this point to assume that if someone is afraid of losing access to something, they are automatically afraid of change in general? I don't see how that follows. Even if someone were afraid of change, would that disqualify them as a valuable human being?

Finally, you mention the paradigm of shaping up or shipping out. Let's say some software gets replaced and the new version has serious accessibility flaws making it impossible for someone to be as productive as before, what exactly would shaping up consist of?

Looking forward to some fruitful discourse.
Best regards,

Felix

 

Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> schrieb am Fr., 16. Feb. 2018 um 18:43 Uhr:

Hi, Michael,

 

You're darn right that no employer would put up with whining and complaining from any employee whether blind or sighted. They'd be fired right on the spot! I don't know why some people are afraid of change. As I always say, it's time to get a life. Like the old saying goes, shape up or ship out.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 6:45 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hey there.

i do agree with a few things here.

we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or not.

if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think whining and complaining would get you anywhere?

no, it would get you fired.

we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.

 

 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>> inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>> +92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>



 


Re: skype phase out

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually all of us have via the preview have ben giving feedback. They I don't think are changing anything, at least not quick enough for me. We've even publicly mentioned them on twitter and they say the usual. "We are aware of the issues, we've told the dev team" but yeah they are just canned responses. I should know, I've  sent them myself when I have to. By the way ver since 2016 their forum has become inaccessible for writing posts on all browsers as far as I can tell, and they hardly read those anyway. They never  responded when I was testing skype with sierra a few years ago and ran into just  general issues. Skype are going down hill, but because I need skype for my job I am forced to use it, at least for now. And I really really love my job so will just deal I guess. Here's hoping skype gets better for all platforms.

On Feb 16, 2018, at 6:43 AM, Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...> wrote:

that is the only bad thing with skype.
for those who do have have skype feel free to add me:
note, this is not my e-mail, but an old e mail i had, not going to change all my skype to my current one.
 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype phase out
 
Me too Mike. Only drawback is the crap audio, but that’s on all platforms of Skype.
 
Lino Morales
 
From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype phase out
 
I have been using the win 10 version of skype with NVDA, and am having no issues.
I honestly prefer this version over 7.x.
 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype phase out
 
Why can’t you tell them Sean? Someone this. Someone that bla bla bla. You can them feedback as easy as anybody else if you have WIN 10 which I know via Feedback Hub. This is what sickens me about you blind people! How about that someone be you for crying out loud! Now back to NVDA all ready in progress. Good golly miss Molly!
 
Lino Morales
 
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] skype phase out
 

Hi.

Yeah we can no longer get skype classic anymore people have put it out 
on dropbox, technically you can still get it if you have a tablet but still.

Someone needs to tell microsoft that skype 8 is not really that 
accessible, and as well as that maybe the classic desktop interface at 
least some of it should become part of the skype app.

For now, skyprivate seems to have the file.

http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe

The article I got from it was updated on the 15th and explains how to 
get skype going and I found it with skype classic on google search.

I am going to have to backup my skype classic to my dropbox though its a 
real shame ms is killing skype for its users now.

I still use it off and on if skype is becomming inaccessible, well that 
will become a problem.

I used it to help family members get a job, if it goes away I will have 
to say I can no longer help anymore.


 

 


Re: Earlier version working

Lenron
 

Well I am having an issue in certain apps that only started after I
upgraded my version of win 10 with NVDA. Switching to the snap shot of
NVDA didn't fix it. I can't see the menus in apps like TW blu,
goldwave, or reaper and teamtalk.

On 2/15/18, Debra Gardner <dgardner18@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Well, nothing I do since the windows update seems to work. Version 17.04 of

NVDA doesn't work. Windows updated itsle in the middle of the night and
evidently ran into a snag because NVDA started saying pause pause pause
pause pause and I couldn't get out of it and had to turn it off and reboot

manually. Very strange.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:23 AM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Earlier version working

It used to be the second Tuesday in the month here but more recently they

are arriving on any old day even though its still set for Tuesday.
I seriously am suggesting that a feature in nvda to alert one of this
condition would be most appreciated.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Earlier version working


Brian, I do know that wednesdays are at least for me in new zealand the
days updates happen.

So I usually get up at 6 am, turn on all the systems I can, and remote
into all the systems that are active, and update them all with all the
updates, by 7-7.30 updates come from ms and I update before I use the
system.




On 15/02/2018 5:14 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Windows did an update today, at least windows 7 did and itt was very
insistant, every time I told it to defer it it came back so I had to
close umpteen windows down after saving contents so it could restart.
One annoying thing about the restart of windows is that the window
opened that has the countdown is not opened in the forground, so very
often I've had the thing shut down while I was working on a document
meaning I had to recover it from a list afterwarrds.

Its a pity that nvda could not spot update windows and alert one to
their presence.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Gardner"
<dgardner18@satx.rr.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Earlier version working


I spoke too soon! I was enjoying having NVDA back and then windows did
an update and things are back to the way they were before. (frown)


From: Debra Gardner
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Earlier version working


Well, in frustration, I uninstalled the latest version of NVDA and
installed one from 2015. Voila! Everything is working. I don't know why.

No more unknowns and silences. Since it's an earlier version perhaps the

finer tunings don't work as well, but it's nice to have it back!









--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: Phasing out of 7

 

It is very good.





On 2/16/2018 2:03 PM, The Wolf wrote:

is the audo quality good?

Hank

On 2/16/2018 11:01 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.


You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.


I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.





On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:
i never messed with zoom,





Re: Phasing out of 7

 

On 2/16/2018 11:04 AM, Michael Capelle wrote:
where do you get zoom from?
 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.

 

You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.

 

I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.

 

 


 

On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:
i never messed with zoom,





Re: Phasing out of 7

 

is the audo quality good?

Hank

On 2/16/2018 11:01 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.


You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.


I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.





On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:
i never messed with zoom,





Re: Phasing out of 7

 

how did you get both of the versions to play nice together?

one of the weird things about skype 8 is that when you hit space bar or the inter key on the info button it brings up a context menue for configuring audio video settings and stuff like that.
I have not tried it on windows10 my macbook running boot camp will not support windows10
but I have a samsung laptop that my neighbor gave me before he moved
am trying to get a power cord for it to power it up it is running windows8.1 how ever I do plan on upgrading the laptop to windows10
Hank

On 2/16/2018 8:58 AM, Lenron wrote:
I can get by in skype 8 but I still use 7 a lot of the time. To be
fair there are so many other ways to communicate if I need to so not
majorly worried.. Companies do thing they feel they need to and at
times we got to move on and get with it or use another companys
products.

On 2/16/18, Damien Garwood <damien@dcpendleton.plus.com> wrote:
Hi Lino,
I think that’s a bit harsh, given how everyone is different.
Sometimes, updating software, or “moving forward”, can be fun, new,
creative, refreshing and so on. And let’s face it, a lot of the time, it is.
I love nothing better than seeing an announcement promising a software
update. Look at the change log, what’s new here? Does it have feature X? Has
bug Y been fixed? Is it a bit faster than it was?
Others find it a challenge worth the hassle. Oh dear. It needs updating.
Well, I’ll stick with it, see how it goes. That sounds like me when I know
there is a minor, note minor, interface change.
Still others aren’t even sure how to update. Well I guess autoupdaters can
be heaven for them.
However, for those who rely on an interface for getting around, a complete
interface change like what Skype has decided to do is nothing more than
terrifying. Especially now given that interface elements can’t be
customised, there are no shortcuts, and the window is as cluttered as an old
dumping ground.
I spent a day with the new Skype 8, and felt exceptionally rude, all because
I couldn’t tell when contacts were chatting at me.
Personally, the switch from Skype 7 to Skype 8, especially because it is
mandatory (short of completely removing it), is like someone telling me that
my house is being completely rebuilt from scratch, changing the entire
layout of the house and all the rooms, removing my kitchen and master
bedroom, and replacing the lock with a code entry system with no idea what
the code is. So yes. I, and seemingly several others, intend to cling onto
Skype 7’s debris until it is physically snatched away from us.
To be honest, being taught how to use computers in the good old XP days, I’m
actually surprised I ever plucked up courage to touch Windows 7, let alone
use it on a regular basis. Even now there are still things that rankle me.
As for Windows 10...I spent two days with it on my machine, and a few hours
with a friend via NVDA Remote, and each time I felt like I could quite
cheerfully throw the computer out the window. Thank the Microsoft gods for
rollback! Still on 7 for a while longer.
For someone on the autistic spectrum this is harder still. And yes, I’m not
ashamed to admit that I fall into that category as well. I like to be in
control of a situation, and when that is snatched away from me, you may as
well be taking sweets from a baby. It launches me into panic mode.
I’m sorry if that upsets or frustrates you, but we’re all different. We all
have our own opinions, lifestyles, methods, skill levels, abilities,
disabilities, comfort zones, adventure cravings, friends and enemies, loves
and hates, lifechangers and shortfalls. And nobody, I repeat nobody, is
perfect. The world would be boring if we were all robots, and so telling
people to “grow up” based on your own conclusions is counterproductive and
won’t benefit anyone. Granted, I don’t believe we should have everything
handed to us on a silver platter with diamond juice for dessert, but I do
believe we have a basic right to accessibility.
The idea of this list is to share our experiences and help others with all
things NVDA, and as far as I see it, except for a few posts, we’re all
sharing our experiences with Skype 8. The message I’m getting is that it
apparently works better on 10 than it does on 7, my experience shows that
the Electron version has only a rudimentary concept of accessibility,
certainly not enough to be able to use it effectively, and so the Win7 users
are clinging onto Skype 7 until it breathes its last. In my view, there’s
nothing wrong with that.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of
mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in
the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting
up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version
of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t
ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record
this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or
shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on
all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!



Lino Morales



From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is
already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for
nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't
absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but,
judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer
Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered,
others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and
made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not
totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and
that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype
version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do,
those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever
reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about
any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will
future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is
there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us
until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions,
or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA
are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear
from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links
dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
thats all we ask.

Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.

Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
if that would change things some.




On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of
Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility
and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not
forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our
concerns.
Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that
version is installed in our machines.
He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype
classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be
reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of
Skype classic.
That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team
but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to
switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using
less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using
windows 10.
To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what
screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability
answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype
support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the
day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that
which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of
visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from
dying!
HTH
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.

I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.

Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
skype is used a lot and the family well.

When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?

If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.




On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really
has died.

From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8,
and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the
quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B,
not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a
pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to
ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with
Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my
primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility
shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s
me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already
was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality
is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in
favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what
you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk
anyway.




http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what













Re: Phasing out of 7

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi,
Personally, while I could connect with Skype 8, I couldn’t use it. By some fluke I have no idea how to reproduce, I managed to navigate my contacts, but that was literally it. No menus, no shortcuts...
The Skype addon has been in circulation for quite some time now, so it will be for Skype 7 and/or older.
Cheers.
Damien.
 

From: The Wolf
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

Hello

I am also autistic so can totally feel you on that one.

I seem to remember that there used to be a skype nvda add on floating around some where.

I don't know if it is for skype 7 or 8

can any one on the list correct me on this?

sense I could not run skype 7 classic on my windows7 64 bit machine it flat out refused to connect for me.

weird because some people can get it to work and others can not
am possibly thinking that it may have to do with the email address that is being used?

just throwing out ideas there on why it will connect for some people and not others

skype 8 is useable but it does still need a bit of work.
thanks
Hank
On 2/16/2018 8:15 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi Lino,
I think that’s a bit harsh, given how everyone is different.
Sometimes, updating software, or “moving forward”, can be fun, new, creative, refreshing and so on. And let’s face it, a lot of the time, it is. I love nothing better than seeing an announcement promising a software update. Look at the change log, what’s new here? Does it have feature X? Has bug Y been fixed? Is it a bit faster than it was?
Others find it a challenge worth the hassle. Oh dear. It needs updating. Well, I’ll stick with it, see how it goes. That sounds like me when I know there is a minor, note minor, interface change.
Still others aren’t even sure how to update. Well I guess autoupdaters can be heaven for them.
However, for those who rely on an interface for getting around, a complete interface change like what Skype has decided to do is nothing more than terrifying. Especially now given that interface elements can’t be customised, there are no shortcuts, and the window is as cluttered as an old dumping ground.
I spent a day with the new Skype 8, and felt exceptionally rude, all because I couldn’t tell when contacts were chatting at me.
Personally, the switch from Skype 7 to Skype 8, especially because it is mandatory (short of completely removing it), is like someone telling me that my house is being completely rebuilt from scratch, changing the entire layout of the house and all the rooms, removing my kitchen and master bedroom, and replacing the lock with a code entry system with no idea what the code is. So yes. I, and seemingly several others, intend to cling onto Skype 7’s debris until it is physically snatched away from us.
To be honest, being taught how to use computers in the good old XP days, I’m actually surprised I ever plucked up courage to touch Windows 7, let alone use it on a regular basis. Even now there are still things that rankle me. As for Windows 10...I spent two days with it on my machine, and a few hours with a friend via NVDA Remote, and each time I felt like I could quite cheerfully throw the computer out the window. Thank the Microsoft gods for rollback! Still on 7 for a while longer.
For someone on the autistic spectrum this is harder still. And yes, I’m not ashamed to admit that I fall into that category as well. I like to be in control of a situation, and when that is snatched away from me, you may as well be taking sweets from a baby. It launches me into panic mode.
I’m sorry if that upsets or frustrates you, but we’re all different. We all have our own opinions, lifestyles, methods, skill levels, abilities, disabilities, comfort zones, adventure cravings, friends and enemies, loves and hates, lifechangers and shortfalls. And nobody, I repeat nobody, is perfect. The world would be boring if we were all robots, and so telling people to “grow up” based on your own conclusions is counterproductive and won’t benefit anyone. Granted, I don’t believe we should have everything handed to us on a silver platter with diamond juice for dessert, but I do believe we have a basic right to accessibility.
The idea of this list is to share our experiences and help others with all things NVDA, and as far as I see it, except for a few posts, we’re all sharing our experiences with Skype 8. The message I’m getting is that it apparently works better on 10 than it does on 7, my experience shows that the Electron version has only a rudimentary concept of accessibility, certainly not enough to be able to use it effectively, and so the Win7 users are clinging onto Skype 7 until it breathes its last. In my view, there’s nothing wrong with that.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>> inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>> +92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>





 



Re: Fighting for accessibility (Phasing out of 7)

 

my friend I couldn't have said it better myself

<smiles>
Hank

On 2/16/2018 8:37 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi Michael,
I agree to an extent. Change is a necessary evil. I learned that a long time ago, and being on the autistic spectrum, it wasn’t a pleasant lesson. So I get by. Just. But if the workplace updated their systems to a point where it was inaccessible, we wouldn’t lose anything because we wouldn’t be able to do the work in the first place.
It’s a tricky one, because I can see both sides of the blind coin.
On the one level, we all have to get used to the fact that we live in a sighted world. Like it or not, we are a minority and so we, along with our other disabled brethren, find ourselves either overlooked, or worse, ignored. For some, like me, who have been blind from birth, this is frustrating because we have no concept at all as to what vision is in order to reference it and therefore to form a basic opinion or theory as to why it seems to be 90% of the world’s main sense. Be that as it may, we still have to conform to their rules, transact on their terms and, as far as accessibility goes, beg at their heels.
On the other hand, we are human beings just the same as them. And so if a sighted person has the right to email a company and say, “We would find touching a screen easier than pressing arrowed buttons!”, or, “I can’t see the window, the background’s too dark!”, and get an update, then why can’t we email, say we’re struggling to use an application with a screenreader, or even a device, and even get a response, let alone an update. So I can see why a lot of accessibility advocates are getting defensive at their level, calling for campaigns, protests, lawsuits etc in order to make the world more accessible, while the “realists”, if you like, are also getting defensive and saying that the world doesn’t revolve around a minority. I think that’s why the majority of our most accessible applications tend to come from blind users/developers themselves.
It’s certainly not as straightforward a case to fight and protest as the old discriminations, man versus woman, white versus black etc, which were thankfully conquered at least on many national levels some decades or centuries ago.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 
Hey there.
i do agree with a few things here.
we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or not.
if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think whining and complaining would get you anywhere?
no, it would get you fired.
we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.
 
 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>> inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>> +92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>





 



Re: Phasing out of 7

 

Hello

I am also autistic so can totally feel you on that one.

I seem to remember that there used to be a skype nvda add on floating around some where.

I don't know if it is for skype 7 or 8

can any one on the list correct me on this?

sense I could not run skype 7 classic on my windows7 64 bit machine it flat out refused to connect for me.

weird because some people can get it to work and others can not
am possibly thinking that it may have to do with the email address that is being used?

just throwing out ideas there on why it will connect for some people and not others

skype 8 is useable but it does still need a bit of work.
thanks
Hank

On 2/16/2018 8:15 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi Lino,
I think that’s a bit harsh, given how everyone is different.
Sometimes, updating software, or “moving forward”, can be fun, new, creative, refreshing and so on. And let’s face it, a lot of the time, it is. I love nothing better than seeing an announcement promising a software update. Look at the change log, what’s new here? Does it have feature X? Has bug Y been fixed? Is it a bit faster than it was?
Others find it a challenge worth the hassle. Oh dear. It needs updating. Well, I’ll stick with it, see how it goes. That sounds like me when I know there is a minor, note minor, interface change.
Still others aren’t even sure how to update. Well I guess autoupdaters can be heaven for them.
However, for those who rely on an interface for getting around, a complete interface change like what Skype has decided to do is nothing more than terrifying. Especially now given that interface elements can’t be customised, there are no shortcuts, and the window is as cluttered as an old dumping ground.
I spent a day with the new Skype 8, and felt exceptionally rude, all because I couldn’t tell when contacts were chatting at me.
Personally, the switch from Skype 7 to Skype 8, especially because it is mandatory (short of completely removing it), is like someone telling me that my house is being completely rebuilt from scratch, changing the entire layout of the house and all the rooms, removing my kitchen and master bedroom, and replacing the lock with a code entry system with no idea what the code is. So yes. I, and seemingly several others, intend to cling onto Skype 7’s debris until it is physically snatched away from us.
To be honest, being taught how to use computers in the good old XP days, I’m actually surprised I ever plucked up courage to touch Windows 7, let alone use it on a regular basis. Even now there are still things that rankle me. As for Windows 10...I spent two days with it on my machine, and a few hours with a friend via NVDA Remote, and each time I felt like I could quite cheerfully throw the computer out the window. Thank the Microsoft gods for rollback! Still on 7 for a while longer.
For someone on the autistic spectrum this is harder still. And yes, I’m not ashamed to admit that I fall into that category as well. I like to be in control of a situation, and when that is snatched away from me, you may as well be taking sweets from a baby. It launches me into panic mode.
I’m sorry if that upsets or frustrates you, but we’re all different. We all have our own opinions, lifestyles, methods, skill levels, abilities, disabilities, comfort zones, adventure cravings, friends and enemies, loves and hates, lifechangers and shortfalls. And nobody, I repeat nobody, is perfect. The world would be boring if we were all robots, and so telling people to “grow up” based on your own conclusions is counterproductive and won’t benefit anyone. Granted, I don’t believe we should have everything handed to us on a silver platter with diamond juice for dessert, but I do believe we have a basic right to accessibility.
The idea of this list is to share our experiences and help others with all things NVDA, and as far as I see it, except for a few posts, we’re all sharing our experiences with Skype 8. The message I’m getting is that it apparently works better on 10 than it does on 7, my experience shows that the Electron version has only a rudimentary concept of accessibility, certainly not enough to be able to use it effectively, and so the Win7 users are clinging onto Skype 7 until it breathes its last. In my view, there’s nothing wrong with that.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
 

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
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>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>> inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>> +92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
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