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Re: In-Process 23rd February 2018

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I don't know if the images are as slick as the audio in that, but its very professionally done, who made it?
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Subject: [nvda] In-Process 23rd February 2018


Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out, featuring:

* NVDA 20181rc1
* A new video from NV Access
* interesting statistics
and
* NVDACon call for submissions

all in this week's In-Process, available now:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-23rd-february-2018/

#NVDAsr

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Re: NVDA keeping Outlook 2007 from closing properly

Felix G.
 

Hi!
Tried it, didn't work, but thanks anyway for a great idea!
Have a nice weekend,
Felix

Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> schrieb am Fr., 23. Feb. 2018 um 17:17 Uhr:

Hi,

 

I rarely have that problem but when I do, I go to the file menu and arrow up to exit. You could give that a try and see if it works.

 

 

 

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Subject: [nvda] NVDA keeping Outlook 2007 from closing properly

 

Hi!

I'm observing that when NVDA is running, no matter if it's 2017.3, 2017.4 or 2018.1 rc1, Outlook 2007 does not close properly, that is, it stays behind in the system tray. When NVDA is not running, Outlook will fully close.

Anything I might try?

Best regards,

Felix


Re: Master snapshot is only 540k

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The latest master and rc downloaded with no issues here in the uk today.
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I have not had it today, but did once yesterday. I'll try the new rc and see if that will be OK. I expect the odd download failure but it seems to me that in certain countries failure is the norm not the exception in this situation. In the the NZ SA and AU areas are these the main places where its failing?
Did not the downloads used to come from microsoft wservers but now we see this apveryor or whatever it is.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Hi Quentin


Just tried again today to download the latest snapshot with 16 at the end of it and still getting the same problem wheather you do it from inside of the master snap shot or actually going to the snapshots page and downloading it that way.

If the second way is chosen it does not come up with the error but will let you save it but it never really comes down only part and even when left it dies.


When i went to do it through the master snapshot i get the same message as below.


C:\Users\hurri\AppData\Local\Temp\uRVRN1vw.exe.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read.

Try again later, or contact the server administrator.


I then went to the nvaccess website put in my email address to get the 2017.4 release and what do you know I have the 2017.4 fully downloaded to this computer and it starts up.



I also did a reset on the modem to see to see if there were problems there but even after that it still does it. At present i am doing a disk clean up just in case there was a corrupted copy causing it but do not think so.


I just thought i let you know it is still doing it and i guess as long as i can get the next release of nvda when it comes out it is a good thing.

Makes you wonder if it is a geographical thingy with a server?


Gene nz




On 2/20/2018 2:41 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Howard,

Most users would use the regular stable release (2017.4 currently), available from the main page.

The "Snapshot" builds are "beta" versions, which are built in between the stable releases, so that anyone interested can test out new features, check whether bug fixes do indeed fix reported bugs (and don't introduce any new ones), etc.

They are available from: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

The "Next" snapshots are newer, like "alpha" builds and may not necessarily be as stable.

The "Master" snapshots (as mentioned in this thread) are more like "beta" quality - they have features and fixes which have been in Next for a couple of weeks and are hopefully more stable.

While anyone can download them, we do recommend that you keep a stable version of NVDA on hand in case things don't work as planned with the snapshot builds. As for size, they are a similar size to the regular stable release, around 20MB.

If you download and run one, it should work much like the stable version - ie bring up the same dialog offering to install etc.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Howard Traxler <howard@traxlerenterprises.com<mailto:howard@traxlerenterprises.com>> wrote:
Sorry, but I think I've missed something here. Just what is
Master snapshot and how big should it be?



Howard

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


OK you are all not going mad.

C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\4KBLiS3A.exe.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read. Try again later, or contact the server administrator. C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\4KBLiS3A.exe.part could not be saved, because the source file
It looks to me like sometimes the file name is being messed up somewhere along the line as the actual address I see it looking at is.
https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/oqsba9xk3349p6v7/artifacts/output/nvda_snapshot_master-14865,769e09f1.exe

Its not doing it every time though, and indeed not even often, but sometimes.
Can anyone comment?
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


I wonder failing all of that if there is a keep alive setting in WGet where it will just keep trying and resuming until the download is gotten, or you can try it from a remote box via ssh somewhere and then download it from there later.

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That sounds like packet loss to me. Do you know the address of the server its getting it from?
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Hi Brian


I just tried getting the snapshot with sea monkey and doing it manually and i get the following message below.


C:\Users\hurri\AppData\Local\Temp\1yjDH9cM.exe.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read.

Try again later, or contact the server administrator.

Even if it does start downloading it dies shortly after.


It seems to do it in all the browsers not download but other sites will let me download stuff.


It is weird how some can get it and not others.


so am guessing now do i contact nvaccess since it is there server?


Gene nz


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So downloading files like podcasts etc elsewhere is no issue, or maybe programs?
If not then its a routing issue to the servers from your location by the sounds of it, but its very odd. Anyone else you know in your area who can also try it? Might be good to see if its your end or in fact a widespread issue.
I guess you could try some pings to the server address and see if the round trip time or packet loss is unacceptable.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Hi Gene


No problems with the internet or going to the snapshots page etc it is say when you go to either update the master snapshot through the help section it goes up to the server and then you press the enter key on the save one to download it it is just not downloading from there server that way and even if you go to the main page where the snapshots are and click on the file to download it you still get the same result. Some of the file might come down maybe 400 k or so some times more but never the whole program.


The anti virus is not stopping it either. I have also tried different browsers still the same result.


It seems to be wanting me to retry the download all the time so is not downloading from the snapshots page but no problems any where else for downloading.


Gene nz

On 2/19/2018 11:39 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, does the page take noticeably longer to load when you go to the download page?

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k

I doubt it. There may some problem in your area or in your part of the country that is interfering with Internet communications between there and the server. there is no reason that different servers would be used.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Hi


Nar no matter which browser you use and which way it is just not coming down. I even tried it on the next snapshot and the same results.


I also did it with either the save link thingy in mozilla fire fox and what ever the others are called as well.


it is weird how you and some others can get it but not me. I used to be able to get it every week apart from this weekend.


I am guessing maybe other servers are used for you guys?


Gene nz


On 2/19/2018 10:42 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I was actually able to dl it in about 2 seconds using safari. Did they fix what ever was wrong this morning perhaps, I hope?

Take care all.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz<mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz<mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz<mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz<mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>>> wrote:

Hi brian

There is a problem in a couple of browsers that i have tried to get it with. The download starts then dies some times at 400 k or so some times a bit more. I have adsl and have even left it but still no go.

there is no anti virus blocking it either. I am guessing other should be getting the same problem.. It is the version with 64 f on it it is the latest one.


I wonder what is happening?

Gene nz

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I just downloaded it here using firefox 52 and its over 20 meg in size.

Did you perhaps get the old, this file is not one which is regualrly downloaded error and then it aborts?
There is section in firefox to turn this warning off.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Hi guys


is the servers playing up? For the last couple of days i have been trying to download a master snapshot and each time it comes down it is only about 540k. Is the server playing up? for when i go to click on it up comes a security smart screen I think it is the windows one.


I am also wondering if things have changed like it is a stub then it gets the main file? I am guessing not.


I usually like once a week to see what might of gone into it each week.


Has any one else had the same problems?


This was doing it from inside of the master snapshot under the help section.


I have also tried it from the main page and still got the same results.


This was again on feb 18th and also tried on the 17th


Gene nz


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Re: OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

I'm glad to hear that I'm still allowed to post to the list, even though you are encouraging all blind people to use Google.
I was wondering if the list owner has the same views such as yours?
Wow, I  think it's time to move on from a list which a moderator keeps telling people what to do and how to do it.
all in the name of making blind people  independent and not relying on lists such as this.
Thanks for  your great enlightening post made my day!
Blind people are more cruel to each other then any other disability I have ever had a chance to meet.
Gene, instead of explaining your position on every thing people post could you write them privately so   y out don't clutter up t he list!
If you are owner of  the list,  please let us know?
Did Carlos encourage people to use Google as well?
I've had a discussion about this matter with you Gene on another list because it was so simple to get the answer from Google.
Please stop sitting on the fence and just tell people not to post questions on this list.
I certainly will be way more careful.
I've asked a thunder bird question and will continue to waste my time doing t he research instead of an regular  user could answer it a lot faster.
Gene, which tech lists do you not moderate so I can join one that doesn't mind questions.
Have a fantastic day all!
 
 
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

Neither the list owner nor I, the moderator, have said anything about this.  Since you may be interested in my opinion, not as a moderator, but as someone who doesn't like to see blind people needlessly depriving themselves of a lot of information available to blind people in real time and with complete independence, I'll give it.
 
You learn how to do Internet Searches by trial and error after you know the basic principles.  You won't get malware by doing a search.  You may get malware by going to a not trusted site.  The address to the site is given below the link to every result. 
 
If you are downloading something and you don't know and aren't sure what a trusted site is for the download, then asking makes sense.  Also, free programs increasingly are bundled with programs people don't want and that may cause problems even if the download comes from the producer of the program's site.  So again, asking makes sense if you are worried about that.  But in an era when Google is used for an enormous amount of information, a lot of blind people don't use it much.  After centuries of blind people being at a significant information disadvantage, when sighted people use Google constantly, it's indeed unfortunate that so many blind people don't do so. 
 
As far as the list is concerned, there is no list position about people asking questions or using Google.  A list member may express an opinion now and then, but that' is the opinion of the member.
 
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 sara  you  are a better woman then me.
it's hard to Google and not know what exactly one is looking for.
I also worry about malware.
But as I said if the list owners want me to check Google before posting to this list I'll abide by the rules just along as we all follow them.
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

As a general role I do my best and google for what I need first. This causes me to learn about operateors etc and I might get information a lot faster than this list, or any other lists. If I cannot find the info I will reference the fact I did google for it and got no results.

Take care

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thanks can we close this list to many questions are being asked when we can rely on google.
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 5:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

A Google search for OE Classic identities shows this article as the first result:
 
Yes, it has identities.  It doesn't say whether they are available in both the free and paid versions. 
 
See this page, containing a table about features.  You can't read it using table commands but just down arrowing through it reads self-explanatory lines and it makes perfect sense and is in logical order. 
Identities are only available in the pro version, which you must pay for.
Message rules are available in both versions.
 
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The question is, does it have identities in a free or relatively cheap
version. This and message rules are the most important things along with
read and unread flag reading etc.
 Brian

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I did some web crawling. The pro version has identities, so not sure if that
is something you want, but I would comb through all of their news section
( https://www.oeclassic.com/news ) to see what features have been added. The
free version is on 27 now. 28, the more accessible version, will be free
when the pro version shoots up to 29. I can wait. No big deal for me, but I
think it is a one time payment? And you get upgrades for life? I'll have to
look at the website again though.





Re: Fw: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

I just downloaded itand so-far it's working great.

Rosemarie

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Subject: [nvda] Fw: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released

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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:42 AM
Subject: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released


Hi all,


NVDA 2018.1rc1 has just been released. This will be identical to the
2018.1 final release unless any critical bugs are found.


Blog post:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-1rc1-released-for-testing/


thanks

Mick


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Re: OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I think you are absolutely spot on with this. I used to get really annoyed when people would respond to a question with “google is your friend” and somesuch, because I thought they were just closing potentially useful discussion in a smart-arsed kind of way. But that was before I joined a lot of “blind tech” type mailing lists. Now, I can’t begin to estimate the number of times I see questions being asked whose answers could be found almost immediately with a simple google search, especially when it comes to step-by-step instructions on how to do something. Not so much on this list, which I don’t always have much to contribute to, but especially on a JAWS list I subscribe to. Whenever I use google, 9 times out of 10, I’d say, I find exactly what I want on the first try. Maybe I just know how to break down a question into its key elements to get meaningful results? Maybe not everyone has this skill. I don’t know. It’s always seemed second-nature to me and I’ve been doing web searches since the days when I used the Internet through telnet and a linux shell in 1996. And it’s mostly gotten better since then, not worse. I know looking at strange websites can sometimes be a pain, but when you see all the stuff you can find out there and how almost any problem you have can be cleared up without the need to call someone in a panic or something, it’ll give you a great sense of independence.

 

For tech-related questions, there are dozens of forums (message boards) out there where people have posted about experiencing every kind of issue you can think of. There’s usually a discussion, and sometimes multiple solutions. You can learn a lot from looking at these forum posts.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 23, 2018 3:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

 

Neither the list owner nor I, the moderator, have said anything about this.  Since you may be interested in my opinion, not as a moderator, but as someone who doesn't like to see blind people needlessly depriving themselves of a lot of information available to blind people in real time and with complete independence, I'll give it.

 

You learn how to do Internet Searches by trial and error after you know the basic principles.  You won't get malware by doing a search.  You may get malware by going to a not trusted site.  The address to the site is given below the link to every result. 

 

If you are downloading something and you don't know and aren't sure what a trusted site is for the download, then asking makes sense.  Also, free programs increasingly are bundled with programs people don't want and that may cause problems even if the download comes from the producer of the program's site.  So again, asking makes sense if you are worried about that.  But in an era when Google is used for an enormous amount of information, a lot of blind people don't use it much.  After centuries of blind people being at a significant information disadvantage, when sighted people use Google constantly, it's indeed unfortunate that so many blind people don't do so. 

 

As far as the list is concerned, there is no list position about people asking questions or using Google.  A list member may express an opinion now and then, but that' is the opinion of the member.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

 

 sara  you  are a better woman then me.

it's hard to Google and not know what exactly one is looking for.

I also worry about malware.

But as I said if the list owners want me to check Google before posting to this list I'll abide by the rules just along as we all follow them.

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

As a general role I do my best and google for what I need first. This causes me to learn about operateors etc and I might get information a lot faster than this list, or any other lists. If I cannot find the info I will reference the fact I did google for it and got no results.

 

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On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:41 PM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote:

 

thanks can we close this list to many questions are being asked when we can rely on google.

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 5:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

A Google search for OE Classic identities shows this article as the first result:

 

Yes, it has identities.  It doesn't say whether they are available in both the free and paid versions. 

 

See this page, containing a table about features.  You can't read it using table commands but just down arrowing through it reads self-explanatory lines and it makes perfect sense and is in logical order. 

Identities are only available in the pro version, which you must pay for.

Message rules are available in both versions.

 

Gene

-Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:24 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

 

The question is, does it have identities in a free or relatively cheap
version. This and message rules are the most important things along with
read and unread flag reading etc.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


I did some web crawling. The pro version has identities, so not sure if that
is something you want, but I would comb through all of their news section
( https://www.oeclassic.com/news ) to see what features have been added. The
free version is on 27 now. 28, the more accessible version, will be free
when the pro version shoots up to 29. I can wait. No big deal for me, but I
think it is a one time payment? And you get upgrades for life? I'll have to
look at the website again though.


 


Re: question

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

What site is it on?

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

How are you getting to the podcast in the first place?  Is it playing in Media Player?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM

Subject: [nvda] question

 

Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: NVDA keeping Outlook 2007 from closing properly

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

 

I rarely have that problem but when I do, I go to the file menu and arrow up to exit. You could give that a try and see if it works.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA keeping Outlook 2007 from closing properly

 

Hi!

I'm observing that when NVDA is running, no matter if it's 2017.3, 2017.4 or 2018.1 rc1, Outlook 2007 does not close properly, that is, it stays behind in the system tray. When NVDA is not running, Outlook will fully close.

Anything I might try?

Best regards,

Felix


Re: OE Classic accessibility

 

See below. I guess it works even better with JAWS but I am glad they are testing with NVDA rather than JAWS.


On 2/23/2018 9:14 AM, Zvonko Tesic wrote:
This email is being sent to you as you asked about OE Classic accessibility in the past.

We are happy to inform you that the version 2.8 beta (date 20th February 2018) has a couple of new windows adjusted for accessibility - most notably - Options window which was entirely unreadable to screen readers and Message rules windows.

Some other windows have improved recently as well such as message viewer, message editor and a few others.

Since we now have better understanding how to properly adjust windows we will be continuing our quest of making OE Classic more accessible and from time to time new windows will be improved for their accessibility. We test with NVDA but from what we hear back, it works even better with JAWS.

This is a one-off notification and we won't be sending any further notifications about accessibility improvements to you. However, if you want to continue receiving notifications about it - simply write us an email back and we'll add you to another notification list where we will inform you periodically about accessibility improvements. So if we don't hear back from you - you won't be notified any further but have in mind that we will continue to improve accessibility further.

If interested in receiving further info, simply reply back and let us know you want to receive periodical info about improvements to this.

best regards,
Zvonko Tesic

---------------------------------
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www.oeclassic.com

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Re: question

Gene
 

But when you press enter on the link, what happens?  Does it play In Media Player?  I believe someone described how to download a file such as a podcast playing in Windows Media Player.  But before that method is of any use to you, does the file open in the player?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

How are you getting to the podcast in the first place?  Is it playing in Media Player?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM

Subject: [nvda] question

 

Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: Blindspot is a windowless spotify

Felix G.
 

Let's hope so. Last time I tried it there were some audio stutter issues but of course those might have been solved by now.
Best regards,
Felix

Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> schrieb am Fr., 23. Feb. 2018 um 14:34 Uhr:

I have all my subscriptions on daily summary but yeah. Blind Spot is fully accessible because it only communicates through speech API'S including your screen reader or SAPI engine. It is entirely keyboard driven. You can even control it using other windowed programs too because the commands are vastly different. It's great! Now the code has moved to github I'm sure it will get a lot more love.


NVDA keeping Outlook 2007 from closing properly

Felix G.
 

Hi!
I'm observing that when NVDA is running, no matter if it's 2017.3, 2017.4 or 2018.1 rc1, Outlook 2007 does not close properly, that is, it stays behind in the system tray. When NVDA is not running, Outlook will fully close.
Anything I might try?
Best regards,
Felix


Re: Blindspot is a windowless spotify

 

I have all my subscriptions on daily summary but yeah. Blind Spot is fully accessible because it only communicates through speech API'S including your screen reader or SAPI engine. It is entirely keyboard driven. You can even control it using other windowed programs too because the commands are vastly different. It's great! Now the code has moved to github I'm sure it will get a lot more love.


Re: question

anthony borg
 

Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

How are you getting to the podcast in the first place?  Is it playing in Media Player?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM

Subject: [nvda] question

 

Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: question

anthony borg
 

Thanks for the info rosmarie. I will try it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 22 February 2018 23:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi, Anthony,

 

While the podcast is playing, hit the alt key and arrow down to the file menu. Hit enter on it and arrow down to "save as". Next, follow the prompts for downloading a file. You'd type in the name of the file and then tab to the save button and hit either space bar or enter on it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] question

 

Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next

 

thanks so much for your link.
but i wish that can use new versions of espeak ng too.

On 2/23/18, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:
http://espeak.sourceforge.net/download.html

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 11:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next

where can i download sapi5 version of espeak?
i did not find sapi5 version of 1.49.1 or 49.2 of espeak.

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<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Surely if you are using it on a system like mine with windows 7 which
is still supported, they should use this as their base version supported.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Just above where you can download the Windows binaries on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

There is a table showing minimum version. For Windows it says you
need Windows 8. I wasn't 100% sure whether that was if you were
compiling it yourself or for the binaries as well, but that could be the
reason.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:13 PM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

no, i am sure completely that i installed 32bit version of espeak-ng,
but recieved the error for not valid win32!
i use windows xp, as many people know.

On 2/23/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Sorry, that was my misreading re eSpeak-NG versions.

Re eSpeak-ng saying it won't work on Win 32, at a guess you may
have downloaded the 64-bit version - on that eSpeak-NG download page:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng#binaries you can download
Windows binaries for 64 or 32-bit.

I'll have a look and see when we plan to update to one of the newer
eSpeak-NG builds in next.

Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@vol.at
wrote:
Forgot to ask which OS are you using?

Greetings,
Simon



Am 22.02.2018 um 18:06 schrieb zahra:

hi.
i downloaded any version of 1.49.1 and 1.49.2 of espeak ng and
says that its not valid for win32!
but i am sure that download x86 version of espeak.
do you know the reason of this error?

On 2/22/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at> wrote:

Hi Brian,

This is just a german only problem i have had.
already have reported to the espeak ng team and it has been
fixed in espeak ng master.
nvda next has espeak ng master from a few weeks where the bug is
present.

Greetings,
Simon


Am 22.02.2018 um 10:47 schrieb Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io:

I'm still using the old Espeak in the speech palyer in espeak
as the weird ways some words are said in ng is still a problem.
brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
<quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Hi Simon,

What version of eSpeak-NG are you using? Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that
the latest version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA
2017.4.

Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak,
some of which are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on
eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@vol.at

wrote:
Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to
latest master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to
much noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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Re: Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 11:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next

where can i download sapi5 version of espeak?
i did not find sapi5 version of 1.49.1 or 49.2 of espeak.

On 2/23/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Surely if you are using it on a system like mine with windows 7 which
is still supported, they should use this as their base version supported.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Just above where you can download the Windows binaries on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

There is a table showing minimum version. For Windows it says you
need Windows 8. I wasn't 100% sure whether that was if you were
compiling it yourself or for the binaries as well, but that could be the reason.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:13 PM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

no, i am sure completely that i installed 32bit version of espeak-ng,
but recieved the error for not valid win32!
i use windows xp, as many people know.

On 2/23/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Sorry, that was my misreading re eSpeak-NG versions.

Re eSpeak-ng saying it won't work on Win 32, at a guess you may
have downloaded the 64-bit version - on that eSpeak-NG download page:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng#binaries you can download
Windows binaries for 64 or 32-bit.

I'll have a look and see when we plan to update to one of the newer
eSpeak-NG builds in next.

Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@vol.at
wrote:
Forgot to ask which OS are you using?

Greetings,
Simon



Am 22.02.2018 um 18:06 schrieb zahra:

hi.
i downloaded any version of 1.49.1 and 1.49.2 of espeak ng and
says that its not valid for win32!
but i am sure that download x86 version of espeak.
do you know the reason of this error?

On 2/22/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at> wrote:

Hi Brian,

This is just a german only problem i have had.
already have reported to the espeak ng team and it has been
fixed in espeak ng master.
nvda next has espeak ng master from a few weeks where the bug is
present.

Greetings,
Simon


Am 22.02.2018 um 10:47 schrieb Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io:

I'm still using the old Espeak in the speech palyer in espeak
as the weird ways some words are said in ng is still a problem.
brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
<quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Hi Simon,

What version of eSpeak-NG are you using? Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that
the latest version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA
2017.4.

Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak,
some of which are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on
eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@vol.at

wrote:
Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to
latest master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to
much noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
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Twitter: @NVAccess





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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

Gene
 

For most searches, you don't have to learn signs or worry about using
quotes. Many people may be afraid of not being able to do searches well.
Google and other popular search engines are consumer services. They have
spent years developing systems that make good guesses of what people are
looking for when the people, as in most cases, know nothing about
searching. State what you are looking for clearly. If you want to find
the lyrics to a song, search for A Hard Day's Night lyrics, as an example.
If you are looking for a customer service number for a company search for
customer service phone number and then write the name of the company. Or
write the name of the company and then customer service. Sometimes,
changing word order may improve results. Sometimes, changing how you word
something may. Experiment.

If you are looking for chocolate cake recipes, search for that, chocolate
cake recipes. If you are searching for some specific kind of recipe such
as flowerless chocolate cake recipe, search for that. I almost never use
any special signs or syntaxes. If I want to find something on youtube
such as a song, I type the name of the song and then youtube. If I want
to search for best ten Ty restaurants in Chicago, that is what I search
for.

If you do searches where you only want to find the exact words you are
searching for in that exact order, then put the words in quotes. I almost
never do this. If I want to find information about a book, I simply type
the name of the book and if I want to find some specific kind of
information, like a review, I type the word review after the title. I
find reviews in that way and I don't use quotes and I get good results.
If one search doesn't work well, try a variation.

First, practice standard searches. If you get good at those, and if they
don't meet your needs, you can learn other ways to limit and define
searches. But if Google didn't know how to interpret searches from most
users, who know nothing about special syntaxes, it wouldn't be used by the
large number of people who use it and it wouldn't be used nearly as often
by the number of people who use it regularly. And one more important
point:
You don't have to worry about spelling or whether something is hyphenated
or other such things. Google presents results whether you spell something
correctly or not, as long as it can recognize the spelling. At times, if
I want to know how to spell a name or a word that I don't expect to be in
a spell checker, I search for my guess and I usually find the correct
spelling in the result links and if I want information about whatever it
is, I find relevant results as well.

This is a consumer product. It either works well, given the almost
nonexistent knowledge of most consumers about how to search or it fails.

Gene

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No we were just trying to save you time.
I think one thing I've found is that google likes things in quotes and
also
like colons if you want to search for more than one thing.
otherwise you tend to get scatter gun result. If you pin it down too
hard
it often fails to find anything at all however.
I might also suggest the search engine at startpage.com as its very
configurable and allows links to be opened through a proxy if you are a
bit
suspicious. Note you need to configure it heavily and use the configured
page in your bookmarks or it looks far worse than Google result wise.
I'd actually like to be able to turn of image results in google as now
that
people are able to enter descriptions when making blogs and web sites,
these have increased to epidemic proportions of late, but often are not of
any use to me.
Brian

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From: "Karim Lakhani" <karim.lakhani@shaw.ca>
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
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sara you are a better woman then me.
it's hard to Google and not know what exactly one is looking for.
I also worry about malware.
But as I said if the list owners want me to check Google before posting
to
this list I'll abide by the rules just along as we all follow them.


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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
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As a general role I do my best and google for what I need first. This
causes me to learn about operateors etc and I might get information a
lot
faster than this list, or any other lists. If I cannot find the info I
will
reference the fact I did google for it and got no results.

Take care



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wrote:

thanks can we close this list to many questions are being asked when we
can
rely on google.


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 5:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


A Google search for OE Classic identities shows this article as the
first
result:
https://www.oeclassic.com/online-help-identities

Yes, it has identities. It doesn't say whether they are available in
both
the free and paid versions.

See this page, containing a table about features. You can't read it
using
table commands but just down arrowing through it reads self-explanatory
lines and it makes perfect sense and is in logical order.
https://www.oeclassic.com/
Identities are only available in the pro version, which you must pay
for.
Message rules are available in both versions.

Gene
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The question is, does it have identities in a free or relatively cheap
version. This and message rules are the most important things along with
read and unread flag reading etc.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
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I did some web crawling. The pro version has identities, so not sure if
that
is something you want, but I would comb through all of their news
section
( https://www.oeclassic.com/news ) to see what features have been added.
The
free version is on 27 now. 28, the more accessible version, will be free
when the pro version shoots up to 29. I can wait. No big deal for me,
but
I

think it is a one time payment? And you get upgrades for life? I'll have
to

look at the website again though.











Fw: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released

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From: "Michael Curran" <mick@nvaccess.org>
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:42 AM
Subject: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released


Hi all,


NVDA 2018.1rc1 has just been released. This will be identical to the 2018.1 final release unless any critical bugs are found.


Blog post: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-1rc1-released-for-testing/


thanks

Mick


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You will find I think that most things that say x86, now look at windows 7sp1 as the minimum for being able to run them unless they specifically say it will run on xp.
Ccleaner claims to run on xp, but even there i notice its not going to run on amd chips either, only intel ones of recent vintage, say pent 4 and up.
This seems to be choices forced on the world by Microsoftscompilers.
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From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


i downloaded espeak from github.com
do you mean that espeak ng does not work on windows xp?
i downloaded binary msi file for x86 version of windows.

On 2/23/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Just above where you can download the Windows binaries on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

There is a table showing minimum version. For Windows it says you need
Windows 8. I wasn't 100% sure whether that was if you were compiling it
yourself or for the binaries as well, but that could be the reason.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:13 PM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

no, i am sure completely that i installed 32bit version of espeak-ng,
but recieved the error for not valid win32!
i use windows xp, as many people know.

On 2/23/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Sorry, that was my misreading re eSpeak-NG versions.

Re eSpeak-ng saying it won't work on Win 32, at a guess you may have
downloaded the 64-bit version - on that eSpeak-NG download page:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng#binaries you can download
Windows
binaries for 64 or 32-bit.

I'll have a look and see when we plan to update to one of the newer
eSpeak-NG builds in next.

Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@vol.at
wrote:
Forgot to ask which OS are you using?

Greetings,
Simon



Am 22.02.2018 um 18:06 schrieb zahra:

hi.
i downloaded any version of 1.49.1 and 1.49.2 of espeak ng and says
that its not valid for win32!
but i am sure that download x86 version of espeak.
do you know the reason of this error?

On 2/22/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at> wrote:

Hi Brian,

This is just a german only problem i have had.
already have reported to the espeak ng team and it has been fixed in
espeak ng master.
nvda next has espeak ng master from a few weeks where the bug is
present.

Greetings,
Simon


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I'm still using the old Espeak in the speech palyer in espeak as
the
weird ways some words are said in ng is still a problem.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Hi Simon,

What version of eSpeak-NG are you using? Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that the
latest
version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA 2017.4.

Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak, some
of
which
are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@vol.at

wrote:
Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to latest
master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to
much
noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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