Hi everyone,

The following advisory is considered major in that it impacts all known screen readers )except for one or two; feel free to pass this on, although please do cite where you’ve got the advisory from):

Problem: notifications from apps such as Calculator, Microsoft Store and others are not announced by screen readers.

Background: in Windows 10 Version 1709 and later, if apps are written correctly, they can send notification texts to be announced by screen readers. A UIA client such as a screen reader must be able to catch this in order to announce certain notifications, including Calculator’s display window, app update status in Microsoft Store, various notifications from Edge, Alarms and Clock and other apps.

Steps to reproduce:

1. While using Windows 10 Version 1709 or later (including current Insider Preview builds), launch an app such as Alarms and Clock (be sure it is the latest version).
2. In case of Alarms and Clock, go to Stopwatch tab and start and stop the stopwatch.
3. For Calculator, do some calculations.

Expected: screen reader announces messages such as “Stopwatch stopped” in Alarms and Clock and “display is something” in Calculator.

Actual: only Narrator announces such texts.

Cause: other screen readers do not track UIA notification event. This is due to the fact that Version 1709 introduces this event, which requires tracking a newer UIA interface.

Known solutions/mitigations/workarounds and impact:

• Narrator: green light/okay; works out of the box (requires Version 1709 and later).
• JAWS for Windows: red light/major; no support (version 2018.1802.78 did not solve the Calculator display text problem, for instance).
• NonVisual Desktop Access: yellow light/solution being tested (through an add-on update).

This advisory will be closed once major screen readers (in addition to the three listed above) provides at least a basic solution.

Cheers,

Joseph

where can i download sapi5 version of espeak?
i did not find sapi5 version of 1.49.1 or 49.2 of espeak.
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Surely if you are using it on a system like mine with windows 7 which is
still supported, they should use this as their base version supported.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Just above where you can download the Windows binaries on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

There is a table showing minimum version. For Windows it says you need
Windows 8. I wasn't 100% sure whether that was if you were compiling it
yourself or for the binaries as well, but that could be the reason.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:13 PM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

no, i am sure completely that i installed 32bit version of espeak-ng,
but recieved the error for not valid win32!
i use windows xp, as many people know.

On 2/23/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Sorry, that was my misreading re eSpeak-NG versions.

Re eSpeak-ng saying it won't work on Win 32, at a guess you may have
downloaded the 64-bit version - on that eSpeak-NG download page:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng#binaries you can download
Windows
binaries for 64 or 32-bit.

I'll have a look and see when we plan to update to one of the newer
eSpeak-NG builds in next.

Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...

wrote:

Forgot to ask which OS are you using?

Greetings,
Simon



Am 22.02.2018 um 18:06 schrieb zahra:

hi.
i downloaded any version of 1.49.1 and 1.49.2 of espeak ng and says
that its not valid for win32!
but i am sure that download x86 version of espeak.
do you know the reason of this error?

On 2/22/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,

This is just a german only problem i have had.
already have reported to the espeak ng team and it has been fixed in
espeak ng master.
nvda next has espeak ng master from a few weeks where the bug is
present.

Greetings,
Simon


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Groups.Io:

I'm still using the old Espeak in the speech palyer in espeak as
the
weird ways some words are said in ng is still a problem.
brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Hi Simon,

What version of eSpeak-NG are you using? Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that the
latest
version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA 2017.4.

Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak, some
of
which
are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...

wrote:

Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to latest
master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to
much
noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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That is normally sent out as part of the distribution though, in case the user does not have it.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Eigeldinger" <simon.eigeldinger@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next
Hi,
You also need the c++ 2015 redistributable package.
Greetings,
Simon
Am 22.02.2018 um 18:06 schrieb zahra:

hi.
i downloaded any version of 1.49.1 and 1.49.2 of espeak ng and says
that its not valid for win32!
but i am sure that download x86 version of espeak.
do you know the reason of this error?

On 2/22/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,

This is just a german only problem i have had.
already have reported to the espeak ng team and it has been fixed in
espeak ng master.
nvda next has espeak ng master from a few weeks where the bug is present.

Greetings,
Simon


Am 22.02.2018 um 10:47 schrieb Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io:

I'm still using the old Espeak in the speech palyer in espeak as the
weird ways some words are said in ng is still a problem.
brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
<quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Hi Simon,

What version of eSpeak-NG are you using? Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that the latest
version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA 2017.4.

Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak, some of
which
are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...

wrote:

Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to latest master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to much
noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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It is probably due to the compiler used to make the executable. Modern versions of Microsoft compilers no longer support xp or vista. They may still work on 32 bit systems running under 7, indeed the espeak build in nvda is  a 32 bit build as nvda is 32 bit.
 I'm guessing you might be using the  sapi version of Espeak which will probably be designed to run on modern processors. The question is best asked on their mail list.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next
hi.
i downloaded any version of 1.49.1 and 1.49.2 of espeak ng and says
that its not valid for win32!
but i am sure that download x86 version of espeak.
do you know the reason of this error?
On 2/22/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,

This is just a german only problem i have had.
already have reported to the espeak ng team and it has been fixed in
espeak ng master.
nvda next has espeak ng master from a few weeks where the bug is present.

Greetings,
Simon


Am 22.02.2018 um 10:47 schrieb Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io:

I'm still using the old Espeak in the speech palyer in espeak as the
weird ways some words are said in ng is still a problem.
brian

bglists@...
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
<quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Hi Simon,

What version of eSpeak-NG are you using? Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that the latest
version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA 2017.4.

Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak, some of
which
are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...

wrote:

Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to latest master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to much
noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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The problems I referred to were some strings shut it up and some uK english words sounded incorrect in some cases when used in certain sentences.
brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Eigeldinger" <simon.eigeldinger@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next
Hi,
NVDA next is using espeak ng 1.49.3 dev at the moment.
espeak ng hasn't got a new release.
though the latest espeak ng in nvda next is from the master branch.
in espeak ng master the bug was fixed.
this is a german only bug where there are issues with some phoneme changes.
Greetings,
Simon
Am 22.02.2018 um 04:32 schrieb Quentin Christensen:

Hi Simon,

What version of eSpeak-NG are you using?  Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that the latest
version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA 2017.4.

Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak, some of which
are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...

wrote:

Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to latest master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to much
noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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Just above where you can download the Windows binaries on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng
There is a table showing minimum version. For Windows it says you need
Windows 8. I wasn't 100% sure whether that was if you were compiling it
yourself or for the binaries as well, but that could be the reason.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:13 PM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

no, i am sure completely that i installed 32bit version of espeak-ng,
but recieved the error for not valid win32!
i use windows xp, as many people know.

On 2/23/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Sorry, that was my misreading re eSpeak-NG versions.

Re eSpeak-ng saying it won't work on Win 32, at a guess you may have
downloaded the 64-bit version - on that eSpeak-NG download page:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng#binaries you can download Windows
binaries for 64 or 32-bit.

I'll have a look and see when we plan to update to one of the newer
eSpeak-NG builds in next.

Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...

wrote:

Forgot to ask which OS are you using?

Greetings,
Simon



Am 22.02.2018 um 18:06 schrieb zahra:

hi.
i downloaded any version of 1.49.1 and 1.49.2 of espeak ng and says
that its not valid for win32!
but i am sure that download x86 version of espeak.
do you know the reason of this error?

On 2/22/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,

This is just a german only problem i have had.
already have reported to the espeak ng team and it has been fixed in
espeak ng master.
nvda next has espeak ng master from a few weeks where the bug is
present.

Greetings,
Simon


Am 22.02.2018 um 10:47 schrieb Brian's Mail list account via

Groups.Io:

I'm still using the old Espeak in the speech palyer in espeak as the
weird ways some words are said in ng is still a problem.
brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
<quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Hi Simon,

What version of eSpeak-NG are you using? Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that the
latest
version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA 2017.4.

Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak, some of
which
are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...

wrote:

Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to latest
master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to much
noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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in order that
I may disobey God
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no, i am sure completely that i installed 32bit version of espeak-ng,
but recieved the error for not valid win32!
i use windows xp, as many people know.
On 2/23/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Sorry, that was my misreading re eSpeak-NG versions.

Re eSpeak-ng saying it won't work on Win 32, at a guess you may have
downloaded the 64-bit version - on that eSpeak-NG download page:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng#binaries you can download Windows
binaries for 64 or 32-bit.

I'll have a look and see when we plan to update to one of the newer
eSpeak-NG builds in next.

Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...

wrote:

Forgot to ask which OS are you using?

Greetings,
Simon



Am 22.02.2018 um 18:06 schrieb zahra:

hi.
i downloaded any version of 1.49.1 and 1.49.2 of espeak ng and says
that its not valid for win32!
but i am sure that download x86 version of espeak.
do you know the reason of this error?

On 2/22/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,

This is just a german only problem i have had.
already have reported to the espeak ng team and it has been fixed in
espeak ng master.
nvda next has espeak ng master from a few weeks where the bug is
present.

Greetings,
Simon


Am 22.02.2018 um 10:47 schrieb Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io:

I'm still using the old Espeak in the speech palyer in espeak as the
weird ways some words are said in ng is still a problem.
brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
<quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Hi Simon,

What version of eSpeak-NG are you using? Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that the
latest
version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA 2017.4.

Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak, some of
which
are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...

wrote:

Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to latest
master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to much
noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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I'm glad to hear that I'm still allowed to post to the list, even though
you are encouraging all blind people to use Google.
I was wondering if the list owner has the same views such as yours?
Wow, I think it's time to move on from a list which a moderator keeps
telling people what to do and how to do it.
all in the name of making blind people independent and not relying on
lists such as this.
Thanks for your great enlightening post made my day!
Blind people are more cruel to each other then any other disability I have
ever had a chance to meet.
Gene, instead of explaining your position on every thing people post could
you write them privately so y out don't clutter up t he list!
If you are owner of the list, please let us know?
Did Carlos encourage people to use Google as well?
I've had a discussion about this matter with you Gene on another list
because it was so simple to get the answer from Google.
Please stop sitting on the fence and just tell people not to post questions
on this list.
I certainly will be way more careful.
I've asked a thunder bird question and will continue to waste my time doing
t he research instead of an regular user could answer it a lot faster.
Gene, which tech lists do you not moderate so I can join one that doesn't
mind questions.
Have a fantastic day all!


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


Neither the list owner nor I, the moderator, have said anything about this.
Since you may be interested in my opinion, not as a moderator, but as
someone who doesn't like to see blind people needlessly depriving
themselves of a lot of information available to blind people in real time
and with complete independence, I'll give it.

You learn how to do Internet Searches by trial and error after you know the
basic principles. You won't get malware by doing a search. You may get
malware by going to a not trusted site. The address to the site is given
below the link to every result.

If you are downloading something and you don't know and aren't sure what a
trusted site is for the download, then asking makes sense. Also, free
programs increasingly are bundled with programs people don't want and that
may cause problems even if the download comes from the producer of the
program's site. So again, asking makes sense if you are worried about
that. But in an era when Google is used for an enormous amount of
information, a lot of blind people don't use it much. After centuries of
blind people being at a significant information disadvantage, when sighted
people use Google constantly, it's indeed unfortunate that so many blind
people don't do so.

As far as the list is concerned, there is no list position about people
asking questions or using Google. A list member may express an opinion now
and then, but that' is the opinion of the member.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Karim Lakhani <mailto:karim.lakhani@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues

sara you are a better woman then me.
it's hard to Google and not know what exactly one is looking for.
I also worry about malware.
But as I said if the list owners want me to check Google before posting to
this list I'll abide by the rules just along as we all follow them.


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


As a general role I do my best and google for what I need first. This
causes me to learn about operateors etc and I might get information a lot
faster than this list, or any other lists. If I cannot find the info I will
reference the fact I did google for it and got no results.

Take care



On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:41 PM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote:

thanks can we close this list to many questions are being asked when we can
rely on google.


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 5:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


A Google search for OE Classic identities shows this article as the first
result:
https://www.oeclassic.com/online-help-identities

Yes, it has identities. It doesn't say whether they are available in both
the free and paid versions.

See this page, containing a table about features. You can't read it using
table commands but just down arrowing through it reads self-explanatory
lines and it makes perfect sense and is in logical order.
https://www.oeclassic.com/
Identities are only available in the pro version, which you must pay for.
Message rules are available in both versions.

Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account via
<mailto:bglists@...> Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues

The question is, does it have identities in a free or relatively cheap
version. This and message rules are the most important things along with
read and unread flag reading etc.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


I did some web crawling. The pro version has identities, so not sure if
that
is something you want, but I would comb through all of their news section
( https://www.oeclassic.com/news ) to see what features have been added.
The
free version is on 27 now. 28, the more accessible version, will be free
when the pro version shoots up to 29. I can wait. No big deal for me, but I

think it is a one time payment? And you get upgrades for life? I'll have to

look at the website again though.

Hi, Brian,

I just downloaded itand so-far it's working great.

Rosemarie

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Hi all,


NVDA 2018.1rc1 has just been released. This will be identical to the
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Blog post:
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Hi!
I'm observing that when NVDA is running, no matter if it's 2017.3, 2017.4
or 2018.1 rc1, Outlook 2007 does not close properly, that is, it stays
behind in the system tray. When NVDA is not running, Outlook will fully
close.
Anything I might try?
Best regards,
Felix

i have this problem most in skype and sometimes in firefox.
i close other programs for solving this problem or return to firefox
and use left click of mouse sometimes.

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I've seen this as well, but only sometimes with 52esr.
It seems like its simulating and alt tab.



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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 12:17 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA or Firefox56 bug?

Using latest NVDA with Firefox56, on some sites, like Goodreads, when I
either Enter or space on a link to open it, it takes me back to the
Desktop or the last program I was on; what's weirder still is that Firefox

remains open within the Alt+tab cycle. Any ideas if this might be a
Firefox or NVDA issue?

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hi.
another suggestion:
go to the task manager and processing tab, then end process for outlook!
i do this for closing skype always.

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> Hi!
> Tried it, didn't work, but thanks anyway for a great idea!
> Have a nice weekend,
> Felix
>
> Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> schrieb am Fr., 23. Feb. 2018
> um 17:17 Uhr:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I rarely have that problem but when I do, I go to the file menu and arrow
>> up to exit. You could give that a try and see if it works.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
>> *Felix
>> G.
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 5:34 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA keeping Outlook 2007 from closing properly
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I'm observing that when NVDA is running, no matter if it's 2017.3, 2017.4
>> or 2018.1 rc1, Outlook 2007 does not close properly, that is, it stays
>> behind in the system tray. When NVDA is not running, Outlook will fully
>> close.
>>
>> Anything I might try?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Felix
>>
>>
>>
>


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Hi!
Tried it, didn't work, but thanks anyway for a great idea!
Have a nice weekend,
Felix

Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> schrieb am Fr., 23. Feb. 2018
um 17:17 Uhr:

Hi,



I rarely have that problem but when I do, I go to the file menu and arrow
up to exit. You could give that a try and see if it works.







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G.
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*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] NVDA keeping Outlook 2007 from closing properly



Hi!

I'm observing that when NVDA is running, no matter if it's 2017.3, 2017.4
or 2018.1 rc1, Outlook 2007 does not close properly, that is, it stays
behind in the system tray. When NVDA is not running, Outlook will fully
close.

Anything I might try?

Best regards,

Felix

Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out, featuring:

* NVDA 20181rc1
* A new video from NV Access
* interesting statistics
and
* NVDACon call for submissions

all in this week's In-Process, available now:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-23rd-february-2018/

#NVDAsr

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Hi,

 

I rarely have that problem but when I do, I go to the file menu and arrow up to exit. You could give that a try and see if it works.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA keeping Outlook 2007 from closing properly

 

Hi!

I'm observing that when NVDA is running, no matter if it's 2017.3, 2017.4 or 2018.1 rc1, Outlook 2007 does not close properly, that is, it stays behind in the system tray. When NVDA is not running, Outlook will fully close.

Anything I might try?

Best regards,

Felix

I have not had it today, but did once yesterday. I'll try the new rc and see if that will be OK. I expect the odd download failure but it seems to me that in certain countries failure is the norm not the exception in this situation. In the the NZ SA and AU areas are these the main places where its failing?
Did not the downloads used to come from microsoft wservers but now we see this apveryor or whatever it is.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k

Hi Quentin


Just tried again today to download the latest snapshot with 16 at the end of it and still getting the same problem wheather you do it from inside of the master snap shot or actually going to the snapshots page and downloading it that way.

If the second way is chosen it does not come up with the error but will let you save it but it never really comes down only part and even when left it dies.


When i went to do it through the master snapshot i get the same message as below.


C:\Users\hurri\AppData\Local\Temp\uRVRN1vw.exe.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read.

Try again later, or contact the server administrator.


I then went to the nvaccess website put in my email address to get the 2017.4 release and what do you know I have the 2017.4 fully downloaded to this computer and it starts up.



I also did a reset on the modem to see to see if there were problems there but even after that it still does it. At present i am doing a disk clean up just in case there was a corrupted copy causing it but do not think so.


I just thought i let you know it is still doing it and i guess as long as i can get the next release of nvda when it comes out it is a good thing.

Makes you wonder if it is a geographical thingy with a server?


Gene nz




On 2/20/2018 2:41 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Howard,

Most users would use the regular stable release (2017.4 currently), available from the main page.

The "Snapshot" builds are "beta" versions, which are built in between the stable releases, so that anyone interested can test out new features, check whether bug fixes do indeed fix reported bugs (and don't introduce any new ones), etc.

They are available from: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

The "Next" snapshots are newer, like "alpha" builds and may not necessarily be as stable.

The "Master" snapshots (as mentioned in this thread) are more like "beta" quality - they have features and fixes which have been in Next for a couple of weeks and are hopefully more stable.

While anyone can download them, we do recommend that you keep a stable version of NVDA on hand in case things don't work as planned with the snapshot builds. As for size, they are a similar size to the regular stable release, around 20MB.

If you download and run one, it should work much like the stable version - ie bring up the same dialog offering to install etc.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Howard Traxler <howard@...<mailto:howard@...>> wrote:
Sorry, but I think I've missed something here. Just what is
Master snapshot and how big should it be?



Howard

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OK you are all not going mad.

C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\4KBLiS3A.exe.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read. Try again later, or contact the server administrator. C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\4KBLiS3A.exe.part could not be saved, because the source file
It looks to me like sometimes the file name is being messed up somewhere along the line as the actual address I see it looking at is.
https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/oqsba9xk3349p6v7/artifacts/output/nvda_snapshot_master-14865,769e09f1.exe

Its not doing it every time though, and indeed not even often, but sometimes.
Can anyone comment?
Brian

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I wonder failing all of that if there is a keep alive setting in WGet where it will just keep trying and resuming until the download is gotten, or you can try it from a remote box via ssh somewhere and then download it from there later.

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That sounds like packet loss to me. Do you know the address of the server its getting it from?
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Hi Brian


I just tried getting the snapshot with sea monkey and doing it manually and i get the following message below.


C:\Users\hurri\AppData\Local\Temp\1yjDH9cM.exe.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read.

Try again later, or contact the server administrator.

Even if it does start downloading it dies shortly after.


It seems to do it in all the browsers not download but other sites will let me download stuff.


It is weird how some can get it and not others.


so am guessing now do i contact nvaccess since it is there server?


Gene nz


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So downloading files like podcasts etc elsewhere is no issue, or maybe programs?
If not then its a routing issue to the servers from your location by the sounds of it, but its very odd. Anyone else you know in your area who can also try it? Might be good to see if its your end or in fact a widespread issue.
I guess you could try some pings to the server address and see if the round trip time or packet loss is unacceptable.
Brian

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Hi Gene


No problems with the internet or going to the snapshots page etc it is say when you go to either update the master snapshot through the help section it goes up to the server and then you press the enter key on the save one to download it it is just not downloading from there server that way and even if you go to the main page where the snapshots are and click on the file to download it you still get the same result. Some of the file might come down maybe 400 k or so some times more but never the whole program.


The anti virus is not stopping it either. I have also tried different browsers still the same result.


It seems to be wanting me to retry the download all the time so is not downloading from the snapshots page but no problems any where else for downloading.


Gene nz

On 2/19/2018 11:39 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, does the page take noticeably longer to load when you go to the download page?

Gene
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I doubt it. There may some problem in your area or in your part of the country that is interfering with Internet communications between there and the server. there is no reason that different servers would be used.

Gene
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Hi


Nar no matter which browser you use and which way it is just not coming down. I even tried it on the next snapshot and the same results.


I also did it with either the save link thingy in mozilla fire fox and what ever the others are called as well.


it is weird how you and some others can get it but not me. I used to be able to get it every week apart from this weekend.


I am guessing maybe other servers are used for you guys?


Gene nz


On 2/19/2018 10:42 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I was actually able to dl it in about 2 seconds using safari. Did they fix what ever was wrong this morning perhaps, I hope?

Take care all.

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Hi brian

There is a problem in a couple of browsers that i have tried to get it with. The download starts then dies some times at 400 k or so some times a bit more. I have adsl and have even left it but still no go.

there is no anti virus blocking it either. I am guessing other should be getting the same problem.. It is the version with 64 f on it it is the latest one.


I wonder what is happening?

Gene nz

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I just downloaded it here using firefox 52 and its over 20 meg in size.

Did you perhaps get the old, this file is not one which is regualrly downloaded error and then it aborts?
There is section in firefox to turn this warning off.
Brian

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Hi guys


is the servers playing up? For the last couple of days i have been trying to download a master snapshot and each time it comes down it is only about 540k. Is the server playing up? for when i go to click on it up comes a security smart screen I think it is the windows one.


I am also wondering if things have changed like it is a stub then it gets the main file? I am guessing not.


I usually like once a week to see what might of gone into it each week.


Has any one else had the same problems?


This was doing it from inside of the master snapshot under the help section.


I have also tried it from the main page and still got the same results.


This was again on feb 18th and also tried on the 17th


Gene nz


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Hi all,


NVDA 2018.1rc1 has just been released. This will be identical to the
2018.1 final release unless any critical bugs are found.


Blog post:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-1rc1-released-for-testing/


thanks

Mick


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