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Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Gene
 

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as well? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> Hey again.
>
> Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to
> select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck with
> JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing with
> it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users
> should certainly be able to do without trouble.
>
> I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just use
> the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but I'm
> not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck about
> with your file permissions, so I dunno.
>
> The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership utility.
> It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The bad
> news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the
> syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
> administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info with
> "takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried
> trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it. If
> you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could be
> a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much with
> such things.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
> Jean
> Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>
> Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing something
> when I was trying.
> Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that I
> wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while going
> through the properties/security window.
>
> On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>> Hey Melissa.
>>
>> Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
>> paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
>> you will be able to get it to work.
>>
>> https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
>> files-and-folders-in-windows-10/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Melissa Jean
>> Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
>> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>
>> Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
>> it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
>> wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
>> of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
>> to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
>> administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
>> Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?
>>
>> Thanks much
>> On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>> Hey.
>>>
>>> I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
>>> mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
>>> in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
>>> know if this can be done at all. Anyone?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Cohn, Jonathan
>>> Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
>>> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>>
>>> Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
>>> Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
>>> files.
>>>
>>> Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
>>> these rather than the ini file.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
>>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Melissa.
>>>
>>>     Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
>>> notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
>>> at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
>>> file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
>>> dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
>>> Windows 10 function.
>>> I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
>>> the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
>>> again.
>>> Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
>>> particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.
>>>
>>>     Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
>>> using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
>>> voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path
>>> location:
>>>     C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
>>>     And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
>>>     M1033David.INI
>>>
>>>
>>>     The lines you are looking ror are these two:
>>>     IntonationPhraseBoundary=
>>>     SentenceBoundary=
>>>
>>>     I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
>>> but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
>>> sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
>>> you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
>>> what you like.
>>>
>>>     If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
>>> resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
>>> may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
>>> I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
>>> showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
>>> Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of Melissa Jean
>>>     Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
>>>     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>
>>>     This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
>>> I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
>>> about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.
>>>
>>>     I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
>>> from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
>>> file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.
>>>
>>>     What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
>>> edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
>>>     Sorry for the barrage of questions.
>>>
>>>     Thank you
>>>     On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>>     > I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
>>> absolutely
>>>
>>>     > have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
>>> between
>>>     > sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
>>> period is
>>>
>>>     > completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
>>> least you can adjust it.
>>>     > Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back
>>> to
>>>     > original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
>>> change it
>>>     > back.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>     > Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>     > Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>     >
>>>     > Hi, David,
>>>     >
>>>     > Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>>>     >
>>>     > Rosemarie
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>     > James Robinson
>>>     > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     > Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
>>>     > Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>     >
>>>     > Hello!
>>>     >
>>>     > You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
>>> deactivating
>>>     > constantly.  I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have
>>> in
>>>     > NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
>>> Eloquence or
>>>
>>>     > the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
>>> the
>>>     > standard NVDA voice in my opinion.  I think CodeFactory could make
>>>     > this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
>>> readers.
>>>     > They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
>>>     > than it is worth.  I'll just eat the cost because I don't
>>> expect them
>>>
>>>     > to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
>>>     > I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>>>     >
>>>     > Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers?  If
>>> so, how
>>>
>>>     > do we do it?
>>>     >
>>>     > James Robinson
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
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Re: Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

 

Hi,
Hmmm, what version of the add-on are you using? If it is anything below 18.02.1, then go to add-ons wesite (addons.nvda-project.org), go to Windows 10 App Essentials, then download the stable version.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich De Steno
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 6:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

I tried that, it does not help.



On 3/2/2018 9:10 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Dialog method: NVDA Menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich De
Steno
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

Menu selection Help, About says:

Version: next-14896,17102249

I don't know what you mean by "Dialog method."

Rich De Steno

On 3/2/2018 10:33 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I still need to know a few things though: NVDA version and add-on version you've got. If the dialog method works, then that is considered a workaround.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sam Bushman
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 7:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

Hi Joseph and All,

I notice when it reminds me to update it fails. But, when I go under preferences and that plugin and ask it to check for an update it doesn't fail it works. Hopefully this helps.
Thank you sir,
Sam


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 8:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

Hi,
Which version of NVDA are you using?
Cheers,Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rich De Steno
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

I have previously had no problem updating the Windows App Essentials add-on when the prompt to do so appeared. However, I have recently been getting the prompt to update to version 18.03.1 and I have clicked on "yes", but it consistently fails to update. What is the problem here?

--
Rich De Steno


















--
Rich De Steno


Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

 

On 3/2/18, Melissa Hammitt <melissa.j.hammitt@...> wrote:
I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to
select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck
with
JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing
with
it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users
should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just
use
the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but
I'm
not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck
about
with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership
utility.
It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The
bad
news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the
syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info
with
"takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried
trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it.
If
you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could
be
a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much
with
such things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing
something
when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that
I
wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while
going
through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path
location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back
to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
change it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have
in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory could
make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in
NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If
so, how

> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


























Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

 

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to
select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck with
JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing with
it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users
should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just use
the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but I'm
not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck about
with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership utility.
It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The bad
news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the
syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info with
"takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried
trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it. If
you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could be
a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much with
such things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing something
when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that I
wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while going
through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path
location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back
to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
change it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have
in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If
so, how

> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


























Re: Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

Rich De Steno <ironrock@...>
 

I tried that, it does not help.

On 3/2/2018 9:10 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Dialog method: NVDA Menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich De Steno
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

Menu selection Help, About says:

Version: next-14896,17102249

I don't know what you mean by "Dialog method."

Rich De Steno

On 3/2/2018 10:33 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I still need to know a few things though: NVDA version and add-on version you've got. If the dialog method works, then that is considered a workaround.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sam Bushman
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 7:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

Hi Joseph and All,

I notice when it reminds me to update it fails. But, when I go under preferences and that plugin and ask it to check for an update it doesn't fail it works. Hopefully this helps.
Thank you sir,
Sam


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 8:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

Hi,
Which version of NVDA are you using?
Cheers,Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rich De Steno
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

I have previously had no problem updating the Windows App Essentials add-on when the prompt to do so appeared. However, I have recently been getting the prompt to update to version 18.03.1 and I have clicked on "yes", but it consistently fails to update. What is the problem here?

--
Rich De Steno

















--
Rich De Steno


Re: Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

 

Hi,
Dialog method: NVDA Menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich De Steno
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

Menu selection Help, About says:

Version: next-14896,17102249

I don't know what you mean by "Dialog method."

Rich De Steno

On 3/2/2018 10:33 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I still need to know a few things though: NVDA version and add-on version you've got. If the dialog method works, then that is considered a workaround.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sam Bushman
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 7:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

Hi Joseph and All,

I notice when it reminds me to update it fails. But, when I go under preferences and that plugin and ask it to check for an update it doesn't fail it works. Hopefully this helps.
Thank you sir,
Sam


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 8:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

Hi,
Which version of NVDA are you using?
Cheers,Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rich De Steno
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

I have previously had no problem updating the Windows App Essentials add-on when the prompt to do so appeared. However, I have recently been getting the prompt to update to version 18.03.1 and I have clicked on "yes", but it consistently fails to update. What is the problem here?

--
Rich De Steno














Seeking voice recommendations

Rayn Darren <rayndarren@...>
 

Hi all,

 

I’m looking to try another voice or ten for NVDA, the ones I have now are either too slow at 100% rate, or sound awful. Any suggestions? I have the following already:

Microsoft speech API version 5

ETI Eloquence

eSpeak NG

Code Factory Vocalizer

Windows one-core voices

 

I have a working but rarely used version of JAWS (2018) with lots of voices, can I get them to work with NVDA?

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

 


Re: Special characters in NVDA

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

When I wanted to find out if it was still present in Win 10 the day I wrote that message, I hit windows key to open the search box, and typed “character map”, and there it was.

 

I even got the executable name right. Hit windows + r for run, and type “charmap”.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Chin
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA

 

Please tell us how to get to the character map in Windows.

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 3:33 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA

 

I haven’t yet tried this with nVDA running, but the quickest way for me has always been to turn the numlock on, and type the alt-number combination, then turn the numlock off again. This won’t work for everyone. While I admit I can’t remember all the important codes, most of the ones I use are accents you’d find in french, and I do remember those. Windows has a feature called Character Map, which you can use to look up character codes, or paste the characters directly into your document. I haven’t used it since XP, but I just looked, and note that it is still here in Windows 10. However, the interface seems to have changed somewhat. Still, you can search for things if you select the advanced view. Play around with it if you like. You’ll probably have to use object navigation in NVDA.

 

The good news is that once you know the code, you don’t have to muck around with pasting anything. Make a list of the ones you use often, rather as Gene suggested, and before long you’ll remember them and type them quickly and efficiently.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 4, 2018 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA

 

NVDA has no such dialog.  Do you still have JAWS on your machine?  You could create your own list using Notepad and then cut and paste them into documents.  Or you can create these characters using the numpad, but I've almost never done this.  Since NVDA uses the Numpad, I'm not sure if you can do this unless you use the bypass command.  Others may comment.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Byrne

Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 9:49 AM

Subject: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA

 

How do I find special characters in NVDA, such as the accented e in résumé?

Thanks,



Re: Special characters in NVDA

Sam Taylor
 

Windows R for run dialogue and type Charmap


On 2/03/2018 17:47, Peter Chin wrote:
Please tell us how to get to the character map in Windows.
 
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA
 

I haven’t yet tried this with nVDA running, but the quickest way for me has always been to turn the numlock on, and type the alt-number combination, then turn the numlock off again. This won’t work for everyone. While I admit I can’t remember all the important codes, most of the ones I use are accents you’d find in french, and I do remember those. Windows has a feature called Character Map, which you can use to look up character codes, or paste the characters directly into your document. I haven’t used it since XP, but I just looked, and note that it is still here in Windows 10. However, the interface seems to have changed somewhat. Still, you can search for things if you select the advanced view. Play around with it if you like. You’ll probably have to use object navigation in NVDA.

 

The good news is that once you know the code, you don’t have to muck around with pasting anything. Make a list of the ones you use often, rather as Gene suggested, and before long you’ll remember them and type them quickly and efficiently.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 4, 2018 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA

 

NVDA has no such dialog.  Do you still have JAWS on your machine?  You could create your own list using Notepad and then cut and paste them into documents.  Or you can create these characters using the numpad, but I've almost never done this.  Since NVDA uses the Numpad, I'm not sure if you can do this unless you use the bypass command.  Others may comment.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Byrne

Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 9:49 AM

Subject: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA

 

How do I find special characters in NVDA, such as the accented e in résumé?

Thanks,




Re: Special characters in NVDA

Peter Chin
 

Please tell us how to get to the character map in Windows.
 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA
 

I haven’t yet tried this with nVDA running, but the quickest way for me has always been to turn the numlock on, and type the alt-number combination, then turn the numlock off again. This won’t work for everyone. While I admit I can’t remember all the important codes, most of the ones I use are accents you’d find in french, and I do remember those. Windows has a feature called Character Map, which you can use to look up character codes, or paste the characters directly into your document. I haven’t used it since XP, but I just looked, and note that it is still here in Windows 10. However, the interface seems to have changed somewhat. Still, you can search for things if you select the advanced view. Play around with it if you like. You’ll probably have to use object navigation in NVDA.

 

The good news is that once you know the code, you don’t have to muck around with pasting anything. Make a list of the ones you use often, rather as Gene suggested, and before long you’ll remember them and type them quickly and efficiently.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 4, 2018 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA

 

NVDA has no such dialog.  Do you still have JAWS on your machine?  You could create your own list using Notepad and then cut and paste them into documents.  Or you can create these characters using the numpad, but I've almost never done this.  Since NVDA uses the Numpad, I'm not sure if you can do this unless you use the bypass command.  Others may comment.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Byrne

Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 9:49 AM

Subject: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA

 

How do I find special characters in NVDA, such as the accented e in résumé?

Thanks,




Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck with JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing with it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just use the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but I'm not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck about with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership utility. It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The bad news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt, administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info with "takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it. If you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could be a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much with such things.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing something when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that I wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while going through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
change it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If
so, how

> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





















Re: Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

Rich De Steno <ironrock@...>
 

Menu selection Help, About says:

Version: next-14896,17102249

I don't know what you mean by "Dialog method."

Rich De Steno

On 3/2/2018 10:33 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I still need to know a few things though: NVDA version and add-on version you've got. If the dialog method works, then that is considered a workaround.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 7:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

Hi Joseph and All,

I notice when it reminds me to update it fails. But, when I go under preferences and that plugin and ask it to check for an update it doesn't fail it works. Hopefully this helps.
Thank you sir,
Sam


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 8:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

Hi,
Which version of NVDA are you using?
Cheers,Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich De Steno
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows App Essentials Failing to Update

I have previously had no problem updating the Windows App Essentials add-on when the prompt to do so appeared. However, I have recently been getting the prompt to update to version 18.03.1 and I have clicked on "yes", but it consistently fails to update. What is the problem here?

--
Rich De Steno













Re: Scanner / OCR recommendation

Gene
 

As far as I know, the document that appeared in the program window was never properly accessible.  I don't have Word.  I used the program a little many years ago.  I would scan a page. Select all, control a, copy it to the clipboard, then paste into a Notepad file.  I wanted a text copy, not a copy with formatting.  It was just for my own reading. Then I would scan another page and repeat the procedure.  I don’t know what the program did in general.  The version I had would ask me if I wanted to save the text, as I recall.  I said no and scanned the next page, selected the text, copied it to the clipboard, etc.
 
I didn't have a program like Word to scan the text into.  It was a little cumbersome but it wasn't bad.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation

This is good news.
What do you mean by "scanner document"?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: March 2, 2018 6:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation

Yes v14 is pritty much accessible.

There are menus, and a few buttons I have never got the scanner document to be accessible but everything else is.




On 3/03/2018 5:14 a.m., Mary Otten wrote:
> It is great that so many have good luck with Abbyy version 12, but
> since it is no longer sold, the question really is: is version 114
> accessible? There has been discussion on 2 lists, and thus far, I've
> seen 0 people saying they use version 14.
>
>
> With all due respect, what good are reports of accessibility for a
> version that is no longer available for purchase?
>
>
> Mary
>
>
> On 3/2/2018 8:01 AM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
>> I too am a big fan of ABBYY Fine Reader. i use version 12 and don't
>> have any accessibility concerns with it. I find their support email
>> very quick and friendly too. I was curious whether I could use the
>> same purchased licence on my laptop and tablet or if I'd need to
>> install another purchased copy onto the tablet. I received this reply:
>>
>> According to the End-User License Agreement (EULA) you may install
>> ABBYY FineReader 12 Professional on two computers, but you may not
>> use the software on both in the same time.
>> So in order to use the software on your tablet computer, please close
>> ABBYY FineReader 12 on the laptop (please check in the system tray,
>> if all the applications, such as Screenshot Reader and Business Card
>> Reader are also closed).
>>
>> Most times I use ABBYY to open a PDF doc into Word and then paste the
>> text from there into a Notepad file. Using the main ABBYY window
>> rather than the context menu option to convert to Word, I don't find
>> ABBYY 12 menus respond any slower than any other program with NVDA.
>> My only minor disappointment is that it seems very much tied to
>> Microsoft formats. Yes it'll convert PDFs into Word and Excel, but
>> why can't it convert the unformatted text into a .txt file?
>>
>> I too purchased KNFB Reader when it was on cheap price offer, but I
>> don't find it easy to navigate the interface. Interestingly,
>> according to the Kurzweil website, K1000 uses "The ABBYY FineReader
>> Version 11 OCR engine provides the most accurate OCR available. For
>> the best possible scanning results,"
>>
>> Giles
>>
>
>








Re: Scanner / OCR recommendation

 

Yeah thats the low grade version sprint, its probably 6.0.

On 3/03/2018 6:16 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I used to use openbook but it's very expensive. Now I use the abbyy fine reader that came with my Epson printer software.




On 3/2/2018 6:44 AM, JM Casey wrote:
I used to use K1000 in university as well. It's really expensive, and really, Open Book also seems exorbitantly priced to me. Given all the positive words about ABBYY, the price seems really reasonable. I'm not at all convinced I'd be any happier with any of these overpriced pieces of software.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: March 2, 2018 12:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation

What do you want to pay.

Abbyy fine reader is cheapish, 200-300 bucks australian, its reasonably accessible.

Omnipage is more expensive and aparently you need jaws to use it it aparently can crash a lot and has a lot of unwanted stuff but its all from user heresay.

I am unsure about dolphin but if you have the cash for dolphin products, there is open book by vfo or my favorite which I like k1000 which I used while at university pirated as it was.

If I had the cash I'd buy the entire kit it was that good but I don't have 3000 bucks which was why I originally cracked it.

But I was getting closed to actually buying it outright for myself.

Now if the price dropped to something like omnipage maybe 800 bucks I'd buy it maybe.




On 2/03/2018 6:14 p.m., Heaven Botma wrote:
Hi List


Which is mor accessible with NVDA between the following:


Abby Fine Reader

OmniPage

Dolphin Easy Converter?


Kind regards



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, 01 March 2018 5:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation


HI.


You remind me here that I have been interested in this program for some time.


You say you are using an older version (11). What do you know about the current available versions? Perhaps, from an accessibility standpoint, specifically. I suppose if I were to buy the program, I would be getting the latest version, so before that happens, I’d want to make sure it works as well as yours does, you know?




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ely.r@... <mailto:ely.r@...>
Sent: February 28, 2018 7:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation


Evening, or at least here in New England it is.

I have been using Abby FineReader for years. It is my original version 11 and it is running well under Windows 10. Right now my scanner is part of my Cannon printer, and though a one page at a time model, it serves very well. Abby is remarkably accurate and will scan to a wide variety of formats including Word, Excel and Epic.


One of the little things I like about it is that when installed, it adds itself to the context menu. Find a PDF file , hit the context key, arrow down to Abby and press the right arrow to view the options of formats you can convert to. Press the enter key and Abby opens and converts the file and then opens it in the correct app.

The only change I would make right now is to move to a scanner with a document feeder. I am also serious about moving up several generations of Abby.

Honestly I owe Abby the purchase of a newer version. Over the years with several major crashes, support has been quick and clear and restoration was very simple.

Good luck finding a solution that works, does not require fifty key presses and most important does not cost too much. I am a firm believer in an application that does a single job, but does it very well.


As for OCR on an iPad, if you have not tried Seeing AI, it is quite  a program, with a variety of  functions and if is free on the Appstore. Interestingly it was developed and is well maintained by Microsoft.


Disclaimer here: I do not work for Abby nor do I sell any of their products. Feel free to contact me off list if I can be of help, or just ask questions here.

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 6:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation


Hi everyone,


I've got a query about a standalone scanner.  Is the OCR software which comes with any of the scanners such as Epson or Canon accessible (or even have an accessible Word plugin), or which third-party OCR would be worth considering?


I've personally used Omnipage and Abbyy in the past, and also had a scanner with an OCR plugin for Word that worked well, even though the main software wasn't great, but I haven't looked at anything recently to recommend.


Kind regards


Quentin.









Re: Scanner / OCR recommendation

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Huh....well, I guess it didn't perform that function back when I used it. Cool, but still exorbitant, in my judgment.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: March 2, 2018 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation

K1000 is more than a scanner, and ocr package it does braille translation but you maybe right.

Its software for the blind I guess.




On 3/03/2018 3:44 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
I used to use K1000 in university as well. It's really expensive, and really, Open Book also seems exorbitantly priced to me. Given all the positive words about ABBYY, the price seems really reasonable. I'm not at all convinced I'd be any happier with any of these overpriced pieces of software.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: March 2, 2018 12:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation

What do you want to pay.

Abbyy fine reader is cheapish, 200-300 bucks australian, its reasonably accessible.

Omnipage is more expensive and aparently you need jaws to use it it aparently can crash a lot and has a lot of unwanted stuff but its all from user heresay.

I am unsure about dolphin but if you have the cash for dolphin products, there is open book by vfo or my favorite which I like k1000 which I used while at university pirated as it was.

If I had the cash I'd buy the entire kit it was that good but I don't have 3000 bucks which was why I originally cracked it.

But I was getting closed to actually buying it outright for myself.

Now if the price dropped to something like omnipage maybe 800 bucks I'd buy it maybe.




On 2/03/2018 6:14 p.m., Heaven Botma wrote:
Hi List



Which is mor accessible with NVDA between the following:


Abby Fine Reader

OmniPage

Dolphin Easy Converter?



Kind regards





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, 01 March 2018 5:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation



HI.



You remind me here that I have been interested in this program for some time.



You say you are using an older version (11). What do you know about the current available versions? Perhaps, from an accessibility standpoint, specifically. I suppose if I were to buy the program, I would be getting the latest version, so before that happens, I’d want to make sure it works as well as yours does, you know?







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ely.r@...
<mailto:ely.r@...>
Sent: February 28, 2018 7:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation



Evening, or at least here in New England it is.

I have been using Abby FineReader for years. It is my original version 11 and it is running well under Windows 10. Right now my scanner is part of my Cannon printer, and though a one page at a time model, it serves very well. Abby is remarkably accurate and will scan to a wide variety of formats including Word, Excel and Epic.



One of the little things I like about it is that when installed, it adds itself to the context menu. Find a PDF file , hit the context key, arrow down to Abby and press the right arrow to view the options of formats you can convert to. Press the enter key and Abby opens and converts the file and then opens it in the correct app.

The only change I would make right now is to move to a scanner with a document feeder. I am also serious about moving up several generations of Abby.

Honestly I owe Abby the purchase of a newer version. Over the years with several major crashes, support has been quick and clear and restoration was very simple.

Good luck finding a solution that works, does not require fifty key presses and most important does not cost too much. I am a firm believer in an application that does a single job, but does it very well.



As for OCR on an iPad, if you have not tried Seeing AI, it is quite a program, with a variety of functions and if is free on the Appstore. Interestingly it was developed and is well maintained by Microsoft.



Disclaimer here: I do not work for Abby nor do I sell any of their products. Feel free to contact me off list if I can be of help, or just ask questions here.

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413() 727-3038



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 6:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation



Hi everyone,



I've got a query about a standalone scanner. Is the OCR software which comes with any of the scanners such as Epson or Canon accessible (or even have an accessible Word plugin), or which third-party OCR would be worth considering?



I've personally used Omnipage and Abbyy in the past, and also had a scanner with an OCR plugin for Word that worked well, even though the main software wasn't great, but I haven't looked at anything recently to recommend.



Kind regards


Quentin.








.


Re: Scanner / OCR recommendation

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

This is good news.
What do you mean by "scanner document"?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: March 2, 2018 6:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation

Yes v14 is pritty much accessible.

There are menus, and a few buttons I have never got the scanner document to be accessible but everything else is.




On 3/03/2018 5:14 a.m., Mary Otten wrote:
It is great that so many have good luck with Abbyy version 12, but
since it is no longer sold, the question really is: is version 114
accessible? There has been discussion on 2 lists, and thus far, I've
seen 0 people saying they use version 14.


With all due respect, what good are reports of accessibility for a
version that is no longer available for purchase?


Mary


On 3/2/2018 8:01 AM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
I too am a big fan of ABBYY Fine Reader. i use version 12 and don't
have any accessibility concerns with it. I find their support email
very quick and friendly too. I was curious whether I could use the
same purchased licence on my laptop and tablet or if I'd need to
install another purchased copy onto the tablet. I received this reply:

According to the End-User License Agreement (EULA) you may install
ABBYY FineReader 12 Professional on two computers, but you may not
use the software on both in the same time.
So in order to use the software on your tablet computer, please close
ABBYY FineReader 12 on the laptop (please check in the system tray,
if all the applications, such as Screenshot Reader and Business Card
Reader are also closed).

Most times I use ABBYY to open a PDF doc into Word and then paste the
text from there into a Notepad file. Using the main ABBYY window
rather than the context menu option to convert to Word, I don't find
ABBYY 12 menus respond any slower than any other program with NVDA.
My only minor disappointment is that it seems very much tied to
Microsoft formats. Yes it'll convert PDFs into Word and Excel, but
why can't it convert the unformatted text into a .txt file?

I too purchased KNFB Reader when it was on cheap price offer, but I
don't find it easy to navigate the interface. Interestingly,
according to the Kurzweil website, K1000 uses "The ABBYY FineReader
Version 11 OCR engine provides the most accurate OCR available. For
the best possible scanning results,"

Giles


Re: Scanner / OCR recommendation

 

Yes v14 is pritty much accessible.

There are menus, and a few buttons I have never got the scanner document to be accessible but everything else is.

On 3/03/2018 5:14 a.m., Mary Otten wrote:
It is great that so many have good luck with Abbyy version 12, but since it is no longer sold, the question really is: is version 114 accessible? There has been discussion on 2 lists, and thus far, I've seen 0 people saying they use version 14.


With all due respect, what good are reports of accessibility for a version that is no longer available for purchase?


Mary


On 3/2/2018 8:01 AM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
I too am a big fan of ABBYY Fine Reader. i use version 12 and don't have any accessibility concerns with it. I find their support email very quick and friendly too. I was curious whether I could use the same purchased licence on my laptop and tablet or if I'd need to install another purchased copy onto the tablet. I received this reply:

According to the End-User License Agreement (EULA) you may install ABBYY FineReader 12 Professional on two computers, but you may not use the software on both in the same time.
So in order to use the software on your tablet computer, please close ABBYY FineReader 12 on the laptop (please check in the system tray, if all the applications, such as Screenshot Reader and Business Card Reader are also closed).

Most times I use ABBYY to open a PDF doc into Word and then paste the text from there into a Notepad file. Using the main ABBYY window rather than the context menu option to convert to Word, I don't find ABBYY 12 menus respond any slower than any other program with NVDA. My only minor disappointment is that it seems very much tied to Microsoft formats. Yes it'll convert PDFs into Word and Excel, but why can't it convert the unformatted text into a .txt file?

I too purchased KNFB Reader when it was on cheap price offer, but I don't find it easy to navigate the interface. Interestingly, according to the Kurzweil website, K1000 uses "The ABBYY FineReader Version 11 OCR engine provides the most accurate OCR available. For the best possible scanning results,"

Giles


Re: Scanner / OCR recommendation

 

K1000 is more than a scanner, and ocr package it does braille translation but you maybe right.

Its software for the blind I guess.

On 3/03/2018 3:44 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
I used to use K1000 in university as well. It's really expensive, and really, Open Book also seems exorbitantly priced to me. Given all the positive words about ABBYY, the price seems really reasonable. I'm not at all convinced I'd be any happier with any of these overpriced pieces of software.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: March 2, 2018 12:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation

What do you want to pay.

Abbyy fine reader is cheapish, 200-300 bucks australian, its reasonably accessible.

Omnipage is more expensive and aparently you need jaws to use it it aparently can crash a lot and has a lot of unwanted stuff but its all from user heresay.

I am unsure about dolphin but if you have the cash for dolphin products, there is open book by vfo or my favorite which I like k1000 which I used while at university pirated as it was.

If I had the cash I'd buy the entire kit it was that good but I don't have 3000 bucks which was why I originally cracked it.

But I was getting closed to actually buying it outright for myself.

Now if the price dropped to something like omnipage maybe 800 bucks I'd buy it maybe.




On 2/03/2018 6:14 p.m., Heaven Botma wrote:
Hi List


Which is mor accessible with NVDA between the following:


Abby Fine Reader

OmniPage

Dolphin Easy Converter?


Kind regards



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, 01 March 2018 5:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation


HI.


You remind me here that I have been interested in this program for some time.


You say you are using an older version (11). What do you know about the current available versions? Perhaps, from an accessibility standpoint, specifically. I suppose if I were to buy the program, I would be getting the latest version, so before that happens, I’d want to make sure it works as well as yours does, you know?




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ely.r@... <mailto:ely.r@...>
Sent: February 28, 2018 7:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation


Evening, or at least here in New England it is.

I have been using Abby FineReader for years. It is my original version 11 and it is running well under Windows 10. Right now my scanner is part of my Cannon printer, and though a one page at a time model, it serves very well. Abby is remarkably accurate and will scan to a wide variety of formats including Word, Excel and Epic.


One of the little things I like about it is that when installed, it adds itself to the context menu. Find a PDF file , hit the context key, arrow down to Abby and press the right arrow to view the options of formats you can convert to. Press the enter key and Abby opens and converts the file and then opens it in the correct app.

The only change I would make right now is to move to a scanner with a document feeder. I am also serious about moving up several generations of Abby.

Honestly I owe Abby the purchase of a newer version. Over the years with several major crashes, support has been quick and clear and restoration was very simple.

Good luck finding a solution that works, does not require fifty key presses and most important does not cost too much. I am a firm believer in an application that does a single job, but does it very well.


As for OCR on an iPad, if you have not tried Seeing AI, it is quite a program, with a variety of functions and if is free on the Appstore. Interestingly it was developed and is well maintained by Microsoft.


Disclaimer here: I do not work for Abby nor do I sell any of their products. Feel free to contact me off list if I can be of help, or just ask questions here.

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413() 727-3038


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 6:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Scanner / OCR recommendation


Hi everyone,


I've got a query about a standalone scanner. Is the OCR software which comes with any of the scanners such as Epson or Canon accessible (or even have an accessible Word plugin), or which third-party OCR would be worth considering?


I've personally used Omnipage and Abbyy in the past, and also had a scanner with an OCR plugin for Word that worked well, even though the main software wasn't great, but I haven't looked at anything recently to recommend.


Kind regards


Quentin.






.


Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

 

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing
something when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit
that I wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things
while going through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to paste this
URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure you will be able
to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and it
doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and wanted to use
the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and of course it did
not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem to find a way to give
full access or write permissions to at least administrator so that I can
save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep mucking
with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it in one's
user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not know if this
can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10 at
least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the file
by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are using....whether
you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1 voices? Each
voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment, but
I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the sentence
boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though you may
prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and what you
like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which I
thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had to change
it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't expect
them

> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If
so, how

> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





















Re: New user questions: voice rate, reading message in WLM.

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I forgot to mention if it is not supported as in the synth/voice packages it will not show under the rate slider in nvda.


Only ones that are supported will show.


Gene nz



On 3/3/2018 10:53 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi Janet


I do not use the programthat you metion so no answer there.


The answer to the second questions is press the ctrl key +nvda key + the letter V


next tab down to rate boost and check it with the space bar it is just under the rate one.


it might be a good idea first to drop the rate right down then check the rate boost box first then go back up and speed it up via the rate one.


The reason for that is it might go 2 fast and you may not be able to under stand it.


By the way which synth/voice package are you using? as it may not work on some other synth packages but will for sure on the e speak one


You will see what i mean if you try it with e speak and then with one that might not work with it.


Gene nz



On 3/3/2018 5:27 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:
Hello everyone,
 
After using Window-Eyes for many years I started using NVDa about a week ago and am quite impressed so far. Hopefully someone can answer a couple of questiongs: First, when reading messages in WLM, the message doesn’t start reading automatically when I open it. I have to first press “tab” which then says document. Then it reads the first and last lines. I have to use the up and down arrow keys to read the entire message. How can I read messages more smoothly and automatically? when I open them?
 
Second, I have the voice rate set to 100% which is sometimes too slow, especially when going through long lists of messages. I remember seeing somewhere that the rate can be increased up to 300%, but I don’t remember how to do this. Would someone please refresh my memory?
 
Thanks for your help, I’m sure I will have more questions over the next few weeks.
 
Janet

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.