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Google docs with NVDA and Firefox ESR

Mary Otten
 

I have a Windows 10 machine with the latest released version of NVDA and Firefox ESR version. I am able to read a Google document but I can’t interact with it. That is the arrow keys don’t talk, and I am unable to copy text from the document in order to paste it into Duxberry to print it out. Is there a key or a clue to working better with Google Docs in this combination? I suppose chrome would work better, but I have that’s far less than impressed with chrome. I don’t really feel like learning another web browser if I don’t have to. Besides, I get these Google doc link in my email, and fire fox is my default web browser. So even if I wanted to try chrome, I’m not sure how I would do that given the fact that I’m not willing to change my default browser to chrome.

Mary


Re: Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Adriani


I was not sure if it worked on XP as when the directions went up i think at that time it had been tested on 7,8 and 10.


Would the directions from 10 also work on XP? to get into it as i used to do it the other way that was posted.


I have not any XP machines here now to test with.


The directions you gave are on the nvda audio tutorials page under trouble shooting.


Gene nz



On 3/4/2018 11:45 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:

Hello,

 

we had this conversation some months ago, here is a gegistry file which activates your sound driver in safe mode. It has been tested with XP as well and it works perfectly. NVDA can be used in safe mode after activating this file:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ebkqst6n393i6jk/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=1

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Gene New Zealand
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. März 2018 19:47
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

 

Hi

 

the old way to get into safe mode in windows 10 can be found here at https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-boot-to-safe-mode-with-command-prompt-2624541

 

You will need a pair of eyes to do this plus you might not even have sound.

 

So am guessing you will need to burrow some eyes and give them directions to fix the problem.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 3/4/2018 2:58 AM, zahra wrote:

hi gene thanks so much for your great work of you and other members.
how can i access safe mode in windows xp with nvda?
does it have solution for users of xp?
thanks so much every one and God bless you all!
 
On 3/3/18, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
HI guys
 
Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net
 
RECENTLY UPDATED:
 
 
Added a link to all NVDA related pages for the new NVDA promotional video.
 
Added a link to the addons page for the NVDA Add-on developers guide which
has been updated for 2018.1
 
Added a review of the Samsung UA50MU6100SXNZ television to the podcasts and
product reviews page
http://accessibilitycentral.net/podcasts%20and%20product%20reviews.html
 
NEW:
 
Added a page called Skype Trusted Microsoft Store App (off the NVDA
tutorials for other programs page)
http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html
as well as a page called Using Windows Media Player with NVDA.
 
Gene NZ
 
On 12/13/2017 12:59 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi Gene NZ!
Thanks so much for what you do for us!
God bless!
David Moore
Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
10
 
From: Gene New Zealand<mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 3:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net
 
 
Hi guys
 
Pages recently updated
Recently updated: Added links to NVDA Guides on all NVDA related pages
 
New: Added a tutorial How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with
the NVDA screen reader by Hareth  and co to the NVDA audio tutorials page
under the troubleshooting section
http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html Added a
tutorial (by Gene Asner) called Navigating ribbons in WordPad (to the NVDA
tutorials learning the basics page)
http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20learning%20the%20basics.html
Added a tutorial called Using the Ribbon interface in Windows via the
keyboard (by Brian Vogel) to the NVDA tutorials for Windows 10 page.
http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html
 
Gene NZ
--
[Image                NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
 
 
 
--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
 
 
 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: can't get into preferences

Brice Mijares
 

Quentin , this is what I posted earlier today.
Earlier I went into preferences and unchecked NVDA at log in screen and unchecked  load automatically after bootup. The reason I did this is that NVDA was taking longer than usual to completely load. After I rebooted the machine and loaded NVDA manually, I couldn't get into preferences to recheck these to check boxes. Any Ideas before I have to uninstall and reinstall? thanks.
After this posting I hhad my wife look at the screen once I hit NVDA key, plus n key, and my wife said the screen was filled with gibberish. Problem solved now. I just uninstalled and reinstall from a portable copy I had on a thumb drive. Thanks.

On 3/4/2018 5:16 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,
Just for anyone coming to this issue in the future, Jaffar, I'm guessing you meant press control+alt+n to restart NVDA?
For the others who had the issue, can you clarify exactly what did / didn't happen?  Were you pressing NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu, then accessing the Preferences sub-menu with P or arrows and enter.  Or were you pressing say NVDA+control+g to go to the General preferences screen directly?
In either case, did it give an error message or beep or any other indication of what was wrong?
If anyone can still reproduce this, do please feel free to send me a copy of the log.  See https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps for details.
NVDA does have a restriction on only allowing one NVDA dialog to be open at a time, but it will give a message explaining this if you do try to open multiple dialogs.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 11:51 AM, Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@... <mailto:jaffar.sidek10@...>> wrote:
Hi.  I had the same problem.  Just press control n again as if you
are starting NVDA and it will refresh it self.  Cheers!
On 5/3/2018 3:31 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

Try another reboot see if that works

__ __

__ __

*From: *Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
*Sent: *04 March 2018 19:21
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] can't get into preferences

__ __

Earlier I went into preferences and unchecked NVDA at log in
screen and

unchecked  load automatically after bootup. The reason I did this is

that NVDA was taking longer than usual to completly load. After I

rebooted the machine and loaded NVDA manually, I couldn't get into

preferences to recheck these to check boxes. Any Ideas before I
have to

uninstall and reinstall? thanks.

__ __

__ __

__ __
--
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Training and Support Manager
Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: can't get into preferences

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

Just for anyone coming to this issue in the future, Jaffar, I'm guessing you meant press control+alt+n to restart NVDA?

For the others who had the issue, can you clarify exactly what did / didn't happen?  Were you pressing NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu, then accessing the Preferences sub-menu with P or arrows and enter.  Or were you pressing say NVDA+control+g to go to the General preferences screen directly?

In either case, did it give an error message or beep or any other indication of what was wrong?

If anyone can still reproduce this, do please feel free to send me a copy of the log.  See https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps for details.

NVDA does have a restriction on only allowing one NVDA dialog to be open at a time, but it will give a message explaining this if you do try to open multiple dialogs.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 11:51 AM, Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  I had the same problem.  Just press control n again as if you are starting NVDA and it will refresh it self.  Cheers!


   

On 5/3/2018 3:31 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

Try another reboot see if that works

 

 

From: Brice Mijares
Sent: 04 March 2018 19:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't get into preferences

 

Earlier I went into preferences and unchecked NVDA at log in screen and

unchecked  load automatically after bootup. The reason I did this is

that NVDA was taking longer than usual to completly load. After I

rebooted the machine and loaded NVDA manually, I couldn't get into

preferences to recheck these to check boxes. Any Ideas before I have to

uninstall and reinstall? thanks.

 

 

 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Intro & a Question

Quentin Christensen
 

HI CJ,

I must admit, I don't know off the top of my head.  You could always write to them and ask.  I just looked up their website and found support@....  I will write to them as well, but of course, if there are any issues, the more users and potential users they hear from, the more incentive they have to give them a higher priority.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:43 AM, CJ Daniel <cj.bear.daniel@...> wrote:
Hi,

I’m new to the list & wanted to introduce myself & my question.  My Name is CJ & I, currently, use an iMac, in addition to my iPhone.  I was a Windows, with JAWS & Window-Eyes, user for years.  I’m considering creating a virtual Window’s machine on my 2017 iMac.

But, my particular applications are mostly music creation driven.  One of the applications I miss most from my Window’s period is Band-in-a-Box.  While there is a Mac version, it is almost completely inaccessible for VoiceOver user’s.  So, all of that being said, I’m wondering if NVDA is usable with Band-in-a-Box.  I did root around on the net, but couldn’t find exact information on this topic.  There was a hint that JAWS works better for this purpose, but I really don’t want to go back to supporting it’s makers & their financial policies, if I can avoid it.

Any information would be greatly appreciated,

CJ







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Moving focus to where one needs to be rather than just the PC cursor position

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Nancy,

If you are using the review cursor and / or object navigation to move through a document / web page / application, and want to activate the current item, try NVDA+numpad enter (or with laptop keyboard layout NVDA+enter).  In many cases this will activate the current item similar to clicking on it with the mouse.

You can also try moving the system focus to the current item by pressing NVDA+shift+numpad minus (with laptop key layout press NVDA+shift+backspace).  At that point, you may be able to activate the item with SHIFT or ENTER etc depending on what it is and what you want to do.


In the Basic Training for NVDA see the "NVDA Review Cursor" section and the following "Object Navigation" section.  You can download the Review Cursor section for free as a trial of the book from: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/ (there is a "Basic NVDA Training eBook sample" link on that page).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
I have found on apps dialogues and on web pages as well that I can read things with the numpad keys but can't make the cursor focus on these items. I cannot find this in the help topics. Can I do this, and if so, please list commands.

Thanks in advance,

Nance

--
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: can't get into preferences

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  I had the same problem.  Just press control n again as if you are starting NVDA and it will refresh it self.  Cheers!


   

On 5/3/2018 3:31 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

Try another reboot see if that works

 

 

From: Brice Mijares
Sent: 04 March 2018 19:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't get into preferences

 

Earlier I went into preferences and unchecked NVDA at log in screen and

unchecked  load automatically after bootup. The reason I did this is

that NVDA was taking longer than usual to completly load. After I

rebooted the machine and loaded NVDA manually, I couldn't get into

preferences to recheck these to check boxes. Any Ideas before I have to

uninstall and reinstall? thanks.

 

 

 



Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  It doesn't work with Jaws either.  Sometimes it is not the screen reader's fault, but the way in which the Java Script was coded by the developer of the site/sites in question.  Cheers!

On 5/3/2018 2:55 AM, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/


NVDA 2018.1rc2 now available for testing

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi all,


NVDA 2018.1rc2 has now been released: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-1rc2-released-for-testing/


Again this is a release candidate, so unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the 2018.1 release.


RC2 fixes issues with the Alva braille driver, and stops messages in Outlook from being marked as changed when reading them. 

Regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Intro & a Question

CJ Daniel
 

Hi,

I’m new to the list & wanted to introduce myself & my question. My Name is CJ & I, currently, use an iMac, in addition to my iPhone. I was a Windows, with JAWS & Window-Eyes, user for years. I’m considering creating a virtual Window’s machine on my 2017 iMac.

But, my particular applications are mostly music creation driven. One of the applications I miss most from my Window’s period is Band-in-a-Box. While there is a Mac version, it is almost completely inaccessible for VoiceOver user’s. So, all of that being said, I’m wondering if NVDA is usable with Band-in-a-Box. I did root around on the net, but couldn’t find exact information on this topic. There was a hint that JAWS works better for this purpose, but I really don’t want to go back to supporting it’s makers & their financial policies, if I can avoid it.

Any information would be greatly appreciated,

CJ


Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Gene
 

NVDA numpad enter doesn't work.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Hello,

He play/pause button does not respond to keyboard input, it does respond to clicks. So, you should be able to use NVDA+* and then * to move the mouse to the object navigator and then click on it. Also, there is a good chance that nvda+enter will work.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 3/4/18, 1:58 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Rusty Perez" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of rustys.lists@...> wrote:

    Hey folks,
    Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
    Here's a link to a page.
    Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
    enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
    the mouse and getit to play.
    I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
    that was appropriate. :)
   
   
    https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/
   
   
   
   





Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,

He play/pause button does not respond to keyboard input, it does respond to clicks. So, you should be able to use NVDA+* and then * to move the mouse to the object navigator and then click on it. Also, there is a good chance that nvda+enter will work.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 3/4/18, 1:58 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Rusty Perez" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of rustys.lists@...> wrote:

Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/


Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

John Isige
 

That's fine. I do know the layout, and what I'm doing works fine for me.
Sorry I'm not super worried about doing things in the most efficient way
possible.

On 3/4/2018 14:02, Gene wrote:
That isn't an efficient way to find the name of the track on a site
who's layout you don't know.  It is likely to be a heading or you may
find it reasonably efficiently if it isn't by using the skip blocks of
links command.  On this page, the name is a heading.  After you see
the name and look down to see if there is other information you want
to see such as the name of the group, using the b command is the most
efficient way to get to the control.  Just using commands like page
down and arrow keys doesn't give you any point of reference.  You are
just moving a certain distance you hope will place you on or near the
item.  Searching for likely structures such as a heading is a much
better bet when a page layout isn't known.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 04, 2018 1:47 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

I do know them, yes. I use the arrows because there are a lot of other
buttons, plus I probably want to see the track name first. So I'll use
something like page down or headings to get to the tracks, and navigate
through them. In any case, yeah, get on the button however you do it,
the real thing you need is routing and clicking with the slash. That's
why I said "I use the arrow keys", implying that you could do whatever
the hell you like.


On 3/4/2018 13:37, Gene wrote:
You don't have to use the arrow keys.  You can use the letter b.  Do
you know quick navigation keys for move to button, move to check box,
move to edit field, move to heading, and perhaps there are one or two
or three others I am not thinking of now. These are essential for
efficient navigation.  In addition, you can tab to these structures if
you aren't exactly on them. Using the arrow keys is inefficient and in
some cases, it may not place you exactly on a control.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 04, 2018 1:28 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

1. Get to a play button, I do this with the arrow keys.


2. Hit NVDA-numpad slash.


3. Hit numpad-slash.


4. Hear music come from your noise-making thingies.


I should add, this is in Firefox.


On 3/4/2018 12:55, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/








Re: can't get into preferences

Brice Mijares
 

That did not work. I just uninstalled and reinstall from a portable copy. thanks anyway.

On 3/4/2018 11:31 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
Try another reboot see if that works
*From: *Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
*Sent: *04 March 2018 19:21
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] can't get into preferences
Earlier I went into preferences and unchecked NVDA at log in screen and
unchecked  load automatically after bootup. The reason I did this is
that NVDA was taking longer than usual to completly load. After I
rebooted the machine and loaded NVDA manually, I couldn't get into
preferences to recheck these to check boxes. Any Ideas before I have to
uninstall and reinstall? thanks.


Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Gene
 

That isn't an efficient way to find the name of the track on a site who's layout you don't know.  It is likely to be a heading or you may find it reasonably efficiently if it isn't by using the skip blocks of links command.  On this page, the name is a heading.  After you see the name and look down to see if there is other information you want to see such as the name of the group, using the b command is the most efficient way to get to the control.  Just using commands like page down and arrow keys doesn't give you any point of reference.  You are just moving a certain distance you hope will place you on or near the item.  Searching for likely structures such as a heading is a much better bet when a page layout isn't known. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: John Isige
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

I do know them, yes. I use the arrows because there are a lot of other
buttons, plus I probably want to see the track name first. So I'll use
something like page down or headings to get to the tracks, and navigate
through them. In any case, yeah, get on the button however you do it,
the real thing you need is routing and clicking with the slash. That's
why I said "I use the arrow keys", implying that you could do whatever
the hell you like.


On 3/4/2018 13:37, Gene wrote:
> You don't have to use the arrow keys.  You can use the letter b.  Do
> you know quick navigation keys for move to button, move to check box,
> move to edit field, move to heading, and perhaps there are one or two
> or three others I am not thinking of now. These are essential for
> efficient navigation.  In addition, you can tab to these structures if
> you aren't exactly on them. Using the arrow keys is inefficient and in
> some cases, it may not place you exactly on a control.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 04, 2018 1:28 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site
>
> 1. Get to a play button, I do this with the arrow keys.
>
>
> 2. Hit NVDA-numpad slash.
>
>
> 3. Hit numpad-slash.
>
>
> 4. Hear music come from your noise-making thingies.
>
>
> I should add, this is in Firefox.
>
>
> On 3/4/2018 12:55, Rusty Perez wrote:
> > Hey folks,
> > Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
> > Here's a link to a page.
> > Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
> > enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
> > the mouse and getit to play.
> > I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
> > that was appropriate. :)
> >
> >
> > https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>





Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

John Isige
 

I do know them, yes. I use the arrows because there are a lot of other
buttons, plus I probably want to see the track name first. So I'll use
something like page down or headings to get to the tracks, and navigate
through them. In any case, yeah, get on the button however you do it,
the real thing you need is routing and clicking with the slash. That's
why I said "I use the arrow keys", implying that you could do whatever
the hell you like.

On 3/4/2018 13:37, Gene wrote:
You don't have to use the arrow keys.  You can use the letter b.  Do
you know quick navigation keys for move to button, move to check box,
move to edit field, move to heading, and perhaps there are one or two
or three others I am not thinking of now. These are essential for
efficient navigation.  In addition, you can tab to these structures if
you aren't exactly on them. Using the arrow keys is inefficient and in
some cases, it may not place you exactly on a control.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 04, 2018 1:28 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

1. Get to a play button, I do this with the arrow keys.


2. Hit NVDA-numpad slash.


3. Hit numpad-slash.


4. Hear music come from your noise-making thingies.


I should add, this is in Firefox.


On 3/4/2018 12:55, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/





Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Gene
 

You don't have to use the arrow keys.  You can use the letter b.  Do you know quick navigation keys for move to button, move to check box, move to edit field, move to heading, and perhaps there are one or two or three others I am not thinking of now.  These are essential for efficient navigation.  In addition, you can tab to these structures if you aren't exactly on them.  Using the arrow keys is inefficient and in some cases, it may not place you exactly on a control. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: John Isige
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

1. Get to a play button, I do this with the arrow keys.


2. Hit NVDA-numpad slash.


3. Hit numpad-slash.


4. Hear music come from your noise-making thingies.


I should add, this is in Firefox.


On 3/4/2018 12:55, Rusty Perez wrote:
> Hey folks,
> Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
> Here's a link to a page.
> Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
> enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
> the mouse and getit to play.
> I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
> that was appropriate. :)
>
>
> https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/
>
>
>




Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Well I’ll try this on the main page. Do you happen to know if this site is running old Adobe Flash or do they have an HTML 5 player.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Rusty Perez
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 1:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

 

Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/

 


Subject lines etc.

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Yeah I think Gene has asked Karren to do this before several times I believe. I think Nimer should amend the list rules to reflect this.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Governor staten
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] browser question for NVDA

 

You should have created a new subject so that threads are not confused. People are more likely to read your message, and answer, if it is a separate subject line. I cannot see how the message you're replying to is even close to what you are asking about.

 

 

 

On 3/4/2018 11:53 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

hi all
i am using firefox ESR
with NVDA
NVDA reads everything together on a website
when i am on a website, NVDA says remove cluster to read the text, how do i do this?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)



Headsets don't usualy have drivers they work off generic drivers or something some do have drivers but the interfaces don't work with access the drivers do.




On 4/03/2018 5:04 a.m., Melissa Jean wrote:

I wanted a headset. I also in particular about how to wear this headset--I prefer behind the head. I used my jaws trial and it did not do the same things that my synthesizer for NVDA did. I have 30 days left still to either get used to it or choose a different set. I might try and find the same model but using just a regular plug-in. I think I might look into getting eloquence--I'm hoping the other version that is not the ad on version works better. Thank you for taking the time to give me some opinions.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper, to get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of a sound card.  Just regular headphones that you can use with any standard output jack.  Many times, settings, if they are available to change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card software.  Just getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the best solution.  For convenience, you could get an extension cable with a volume knob so you can leave the computer volume setting the same.

If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get good standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for screen-reader use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S. dollars, might be fine.  I haven't listened to really cheap headphones so you might want to spend a little more.  If there is a store near you where you can buy headphones and it has a good return policy, that would allow you to return them more conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Jean
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound setting to see if I can adjust them separately since they are basically their own sound card, but I have not been able to find something that would change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa


On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as    well?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Jean
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to
select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck with
JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing with
it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users
should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just use
the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but I'm
not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck about
with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership utility.
It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The bad
news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the
syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info with
"takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried
trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it. If
you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could be
a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much with
such things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing something
when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that I
wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while going
through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

     Hi Melissa.

     Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

     Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path
location:
     C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
     And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
     M1033David.INI


     The lines you are looking ror are these two:
     IntonationPhraseBoundary=
     SentenceBoundary=

     I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
what you like.

     If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



     -----Original Message-----
     From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
     Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
     Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

     This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

     I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

     What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
     Sorry for the barrage of questions.

     Thank you
     On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
     > I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

     > have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
between
     > sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

     > completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
     > Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back
to
     > original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
change it
     > back.
     >
     >
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
     > Rosemarie Chavarria
     > Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
     >
     > Hi, David,
     >
     > Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
     >
     > Rosemarie
     >
     >
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
     > James Robinson
     > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
     > Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
     > Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
     >
     > Hello!
     >
     > You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
deactivating
     > constantly.  I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have
in
     > NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

     > the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
the
     > standard NVDA voice in my opinion.  I think CodeFactory could make
     > this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
     > They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
     > than it is worth.  I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

     > to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
     > I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
     >
     > Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If
so, how

     > do we do it?
     >
     > James Robinson
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >

























 







 


Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Gene
 

Don't try to use object navigation, document navigation or screen  review.  They are the last resort and won't work most of the time.  Be on the button in browse mode.  Route the mouse to the current location, numpad insert and while holding it, press numpad slash.  Then release both keys.  Then left click with numpad slash.  You should always try this when space bar and then enter fail.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 12:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/