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Re: Moving focus to where one needs to be rather than just the PC cursor position

Gene
 

Also, this is being presented without a very important option being discussed.  When you are in object navigation review mode, using the default setting, the object navigator automatically follows the cursor or the position in browse mode.  You don't have to use any move object navigator to current object command in these cases, except in rare instances when a program doesn't allow the object navigator to follow the cursor.  This is just one more reason that I strongly maintain that you should be automatically placed in object review when you leave any window and move to another one.  Who knows how many users have needless problems because this isn't done and they don't know that to have proper tracking, they must use object navigation. 
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving focus to where one needs to be rather than just the PC cursor position

In keypad plus for say all its useful as it does not move the cursor as it
reads, so if you were editing you can carry on from where you were, also ex
dolphin users might be surprised that this works as that screenreader reads
all with keypad plus as well.
 brian

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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving focus to where one needs to be rather than just
the PC cursor position


> Hi Hank,
>
> Numpad Plus does a say all with the review cursor (with desktop keyboard
> layout).  NVDA+numpad plus doesn't do anything (to my knowledge).
>
> NVDA+numpad Enter (in desktop keyboard layout) will activate the current
> object, so there are various ways to get to a particular object, using any
> of the object navigation commands.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:45 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
>
>> so do you use
>> numpad plus
>> rather nvda numpad plus
>> and then nvda numpad enter?
>>
>> On 3/5/2018 6:30 AM, Nancy Shackelford wrote:
>>
>> Ah, I need to be doing your first piece of advice, and thank you ver much
>> for this help. I will try the numpad+numpadEnter next time a similar
>> siguation presents itself.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Nance
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Quentin Christensen
>> <quentin@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Nancy,
>>>
>>> If you are using the review cursor and / or object navigation to move
>>> through a document / web page / application, and want to activate the
>>> current item, try NVDA+numpad enter (or with laptop keyboard layout
>>> NVDA+enter).  In many cases this will activate the current item similar
>>> to
>>> clicking on it with the mouse.
>>>
>>> You can also try moving the system focus to the current item by pressing
>>> NVDA+shift+numpad minus (with laptop key layout press
>>> NVDA+shift+backspace).  At that point, you may be able to activate the
>>> item
>>> with SHIFT or ENTER etc depending on what it is and what you want to do.
>>>
>>> In the User Guide, see: https://www.nvaccess.org/
>>> files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#ObjectNavigation
>>>
>>> In the Basic Training for NVDA see the "NVDA Review Cursor" section and
>>> the following "Object Navigation" section.  You can download the Review
>>> Cursor section for free as a trial of the book from:
>>> https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/ (there
>>> is a "Basic NVDA Training eBook sample" link on that page).
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Quentin.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Nancy Shackelford <
>>> n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have found on apps dialogues and on web pages as well that I can read
>>>> things with the numpad keys but can't make the cursor focus on these
>>>> items.
>>>> I cannot find this in the help topics. Can I do this, and if so, please
>>>> list commands.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>> Nance
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Quentin Christensen
>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>
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>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>
>>> www.nvaccess.org
>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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> Training and Support Manager
>
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>
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Re: Moving focus to where one needs to be rather than just the PC cursor position

Gene
 

That isn't the number four.  It's the word for, spelled f o r.  When people write instructions,  be mindful of how things may not be clear in speech.  Numpad plus four sounds as though it could be either numpad plus and the number four or just keypad plus.  In this case, the command is just numpad plus, pressed by itself.
 
Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving focus to where one needs to be rather than just the PC cursor position

In keypad plus for say all its useful as it does not move the cursor as it
reads, so if you were editing you can carry on from where you were, also ex
dolphin users might be surprised that this works as that screenreader reads
all with keypad plus as well.
 brian

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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving focus to where one needs to be rather than just
the PC cursor position


> Hi Hank,
>
> Numpad Plus does a say all with the review cursor (with desktop keyboard
> layout).  NVDA+numpad plus doesn't do anything (to my knowledge).
>
> NVDA+numpad Enter (in desktop keyboard layout) will activate the current
> object, so there are various ways to get to a particular object, using any
> of the object navigation commands.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:45 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
>
>> so do you use
>> numpad plus
>> rather nvda numpad plus
>> and then nvda numpad enter?
>>
>> On 3/5/2018 6:30 AM, Nancy Shackelford wrote:
>>
>> Ah, I need to be doing your first piece of advice, and thank you ver much
>> for this help. I will try the numpad+numpadEnter next time a similar
>> siguation presents itself.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Nance
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Quentin Christensen
>> <quentin@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Nancy,
>>>
>>> If you are using the review cursor and / or object navigation to move
>>> through a document / web page / application, and want to activate the
>>> current item, try NVDA+numpad enter (or with laptop keyboard layout
>>> NVDA+enter).  In many cases this will activate the current item similar
>>> to
>>> clicking on it with the mouse.
>>>
>>> You can also try moving the system focus to the current item by pressing
>>> NVDA+shift+numpad minus (with laptop key layout press
>>> NVDA+shift+backspace).  At that point, you may be able to activate the
>>> item
>>> with SHIFT or ENTER etc depending on what it is and what you want to do.
>>>
>>> In the User Guide, see: https://www.nvaccess.org/
>>> files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#ObjectNavigation
>>>
>>> In the Basic Training for NVDA see the "NVDA Review Cursor" section and
>>> the following "Object Navigation" section.  You can download the Review
>>> Cursor section for free as a trial of the book from:
>>> https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/ (there
>>> is a "Basic NVDA Training eBook sample" link on that page).
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Quentin.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Nancy Shackelford <
>>> n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have found on apps dialogues and on web pages as well that I can read
>>>> things with the numpad keys but can't make the cursor focus on these
>>>> items.
>>>> I cannot find this in the help topics. Can I do this, and if so, please
>>>> list commands.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>> Nance
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Quentin Christensen
>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>
>>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>
>>> www.nvaccess.org
>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>




Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Gene
 

Generalizing from a sample of one or two and stating an erroneous conclusion as a fact when it isn't.  Five or six people have said that the method works.  It doesn't work in your case, or we should say, something doesn't work in your case.  It may have nothing to do with this method not working.  it may be a problem you are having because the audio itself isn't playing for some reason.
 
This procedure or other procedures than just using space bar or enter on such buttons is common enough that it is necessary to know it and to try it.  It often works or other methods may work when the first preferred methods don't.  I wouldn't have been able to listen to audio or videos on many sites if I didn't use this method.
 
Gene

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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

No I gave up as well, very touchy indeed on keyboards.
 Maybe needs some kind of special nav mode in nvda for this type of control.
 Brian

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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site


>I have had limited success in Firefox. The way I got it to work was by
> selecting the button and tapping on my touchpad. I could not get any
> keyboard commands to work. It may be user error, but only the tap on
> the mousepad was repeatable.
>
> I could not get it to play in google chrome.
>
> Rusty
>
>
> On 3/5/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists@...> wrote:
>> Yes it does seem a trifle illogical really other wise!
>>  I'm having keyboard issues today, so this may also be why its not
>> working
>> for me.
>>  Brian
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>> From: "Mohamed" <malhajamy@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site
>>
>>
>>> I've generally found that you have to root your mouse first before you
>>> simulate a mouse press, otherwise the player won't play anything. It
>>> would
>>>
>>> be useful to bring that up with Bandcamp support I think.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/5/2018 5:13 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>> No luck but do they not want your email address first or is their
>>>> rather
>>>>
>>>> misleading terms erm more misleading thn they appear?
>>>> The buttons focus using single key navigation but seem to do nothing at
>>>> all, even when you simulate a mouse press.
>>>> Brian
>>>>
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>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey"
>>>> <crystallogic@...>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 7:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I'm noticing the same thing, and am stuck.
>>>> It is working with JAWS 18.
>>>> On my old machine I could never get the bandcamp player to play either.
>>>>
>>>> If there's no solution to this, we should probably bring this up with
>>>> Bandcamp support.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Rusty
>>>>
>>>> Perez
>>>> Sent: March 4, 2018 2:03 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site
>>>>
>>>> More info.
>>>> When I try to focus the play button by navigating with object review or
>>>> document review mode, nvda reports "off screen"
>>>> I'm pretty novice at these review modes so can someone tell me what's
>>>> going on here, and what I may be able to do to fix this?
>>>> I'm thinking of releasing some of my music on bandcamp, but not if it's
>>>> not accessible. :)
>>>>
>>>> Rusty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/4/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>> Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
>>>>> Here's a link to a page.
>>>>> Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
>>>>> enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
>>>>> the mouse and getit to play.
>>>>> I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
>>>>> that was appropriate. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




Re: Teething Trouble

Wilco
 

Hi Quentin, that's very comprehensive and helpful, thanks.


Re: Teething Trouble

Wilco
 

Hi, that's really useful, thanks.


Re: Gmail using thunderbird

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Yes this either gmail via pop or imap is somewhat restrictive, I like to keep both active on other accounts so I can see the spam folder and also sort messages automatically, I just do not see the google logic of not allowing both to work.
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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gmail using thunderbird


Ok, I assume like me you use pop and not imap.

First you will need to clear all your gmail accounts and other things from thunderbird.

You next create your account as usual and set imap.

Then at some point google will ask you to login and put up a brouser window.

Login and click allow and then its connected.

You can clear imap and switch back to pop if you want.

I found that out the hard way when email stopped.




On 6/03/2018 1:57 p.m., Arlene wrote:
Hi list. Arlene here: Can Gmail be added to thunderbird? How does one do
it? Thanks any help will be appriciated.



Re: Moving focus to where one needs to be rather than just the PC cursor position

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In keypad plus for say all its useful as it does not move the cursor as it reads, so if you were editing you can carry on from where you were, also ex dolphin users might be surprised that this works as that screenreader reads all with keypad plus as well.
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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving focus to where one needs to be rather than just the PC cursor position


Hi Hank,

Numpad Plus does a say all with the review cursor (with desktop keyboard
layout). NVDA+numpad plus doesn't do anything (to my knowledge).

NVDA+numpad Enter (in desktop keyboard layout) will activate the current
object, so there are various ways to get to a particular object, using any
of the object navigation commands.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:45 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

so do you use
numpad plus
rather nvda numpad plus
and then nvda numpad enter?

On 3/5/2018 6:30 AM, Nancy Shackelford wrote:

Ah, I need to be doing your first piece of advice, and thank you ver much
for this help. I will try the numpad+numpadEnter next time a similar
siguation presents itself.

Thanks again,

Nance

On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
wrote:

Hi Nancy,

If you are using the review cursor and / or object navigation to move
through a document / web page / application, and want to activate the
current item, try NVDA+numpad enter (or with laptop keyboard layout
NVDA+enter). In many cases this will activate the current item similar to
clicking on it with the mouse.

You can also try moving the system focus to the current item by pressing
NVDA+shift+numpad minus (with laptop key layout press
NVDA+shift+backspace). At that point, you may be able to activate the item
with SHIFT or ENTER etc depending on what it is and what you want to do.

In the User Guide, see: https://www.nvaccess.org/
files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#ObjectNavigation

In the Basic Training for NVDA see the "NVDA Review Cursor" section and
the following "Object Navigation" section. You can download the Review
Cursor section for free as a trial of the book from:
https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/ (there
is a "Basic NVDA Training eBook sample" link on that page).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Nancy Shackelford <
n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:

I have found on apps dialogues and on web pages as well that I can read
things with the numpad keys but can't make the cursor focus on these items.
I cannot find this in the help topics. Can I do this, and if so, please
list commands.

Thanks in advance,

Nance

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--
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Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

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Yes I can imagine that would be a bit of a silly way to select things, I've also found onmouse right and left being used as well goodness onlyknows what makes people code this way. I wonder if they realise they are putting people off who are not used to such things.
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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site


Actually, since I had neither windows or a full sized keyboard available, I actually made a mistake in confusing the "/" and the "*" on the numpad.

In any case, I believe everybody on list should now be able to do this. Also, for those still reading, I believe what causes issues like this is when the developer uses a onMouseUp or on MouseDown handler instead of a onClick handler.

On 3/5/18, 1:00 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hi.
I am also using Firefox, and the method John described should work for you. Hit "b" until you get to the play/pause button (or use another method). Route your mouse cursor with NVDA-numpad slash. Hit numpad slash. The button should click. If you are still on it with the mouse cursor, it's a toggle, so pressing / again will pause it.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rusty Perez
Sent: March 5, 2018 12:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

I have had limited success in Firefox. The way I got it to work was by selecting the button and tapping on my touchpad. I could not get any keyboard commands to work. It may be user error, but only the tap on the mousepad was repeatable.

I could not get it to play in google chrome.

Rusty


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> Yes it does seem a trifle illogical really other wise!
> I'm having keyboard issues today, so this may also be why its not
> working for me.
> Brian
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> From: "Mohamed" <malhajamy@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site
>
>
>> I've generally found that you have to root your mouse first before
>> you simulate a mouse press, otherwise the player won't play
anything.
>> It would
>>
>> be useful to bring that up with Bandcamp support I think.
>>
>>
>> On 3/5/2018 5:13 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>> No luck but do they not want your email address first or is their
>>> rather
>>>
>>> misleading terms erm more misleading thn they appear?
>>> The buttons focus using single key navigation but seem to do
nothing
>>> at all, even when you simulate a mouse press.
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
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>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey"
>>> <crystallogic@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 7:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, I'm noticing the same thing, and am stuck.
>>> It is working with JAWS 18.
>>> On my old machine I could never get the bandcamp player to play
either.
>>>
>>> If there's no solution to this, we should probably bring this up
>>> with Bandcamp support.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Rusty
>>>
>>> Perez
>>> Sent: March 4, 2018 2:03 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site
>>>
>>> More info.
>>> When I try to focus the play button by navigating with object
review
>>> or document review mode, nvda reports "off screen"
>>> I'm pretty novice at these review modes so can someone tell me
>>> what's going on here, and what I may be able to do to fix this?
>>> I'm thinking of releasing some of my music on bandcamp, but not if
>>> it's not accessible. :)
>>>
>>> Rusty
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/4/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
>>>> Hey folks,
>>>> Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
>>>> Here's a link to a page.
>>>> Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
>>>> enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click
with
>>>> the mouse and getit to play.
>>>> I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I
>>>> thought that was appropriate. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>











Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

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No I gave up as well, very touchy indeed on keyboards.
Maybe needs some kind of special nav mode in nvda for this type of control.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site


I have had limited success in Firefox. The way I got it to work was by
selecting the button and tapping on my touchpad. I could not get any
keyboard commands to work. It may be user error, but only the tap on
the mousepad was repeatable.

I could not get it to play in google chrome.

Rusty


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Yes it does seem a trifle illogical really other wise!
I'm having keyboard issues today, so this may also be why its not working
for me.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site


I've generally found that you have to root your mouse first before you
simulate a mouse press, otherwise the player won't play anything. It would

be useful to bring that up with Bandcamp support I think.


On 3/5/2018 5:13 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
No luck but do they not want your email address first or is their rather

misleading terms erm more misleading thn they appear?
The buttons focus using single key navigation but seem to do nothing at
all, even when you simulate a mouse press.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey"
<crystallogic@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site


Yeah, I'm noticing the same thing, and am stuck.
It is working with JAWS 18.
On my old machine I could never get the bandcamp player to play either.

If there's no solution to this, we should probably bring this up with
Bandcamp support.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rusty

Perez
Sent: March 4, 2018 2:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

More info.
When I try to focus the play button by navigating with object review or
document review mode, nvda reports "off screen"
I'm pretty novice at these review modes so can someone tell me what's
going on here, and what I may be able to do to fix this?
I'm thinking of releasing some of my music on bandcamp, but not if it's
not accessible. :)

Rusty


On 3/4/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/















Re: Google docs with NVDA and Firefox ESR

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Oh another reason, I'll not bother with google docs then..
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google docs with NVDA and Firefox ESR


Is defined on Google docs. If you see the google docs help, you will see that they recomend to change some default keys, for example the NVDA starting key to avoid conflicts with docs.


Regards,

mk.


El 05/03/2018 a las 13:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escribió:
control plus alt plus z is a key combination that does something else already on my machine. is this actually in google docs this is defined then?
One assumes this should not clash with keybooard shortcuts or are people going to have to find another shortcut for any program that launches via the shortcut in question?

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvie Duchateau" <sduchateau@...>
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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google docs with NVDA and Firefox ESR


Hello Mary and all,

Google Docs works fine with Firefox ESR and NVDA.

Did you activate screen reader support in pressing ctrl+alt+Z?

If so, NVDA should announce that screen reader support is enabled.

If you want to write in the document, mae sure that forms mode is on in
pressing nvda+space. You should then be able to use your keystrokes.

I hope this helps.

Best

Sylvie

Le 05/03/2018 à 03:35, Mary Otten a écrit :

I have a Windows 10 machine with the latest released version of NVDA and Firefox ESR version. I am able to read a Google document but I can’t interact with it. That is the arrow keys don’t talk, and I am unable to copy text from the document in order to paste it into Duxberry to print it out. Is there a key or a clue to working better with Google Docs in this combination? I suppose chrome would work better, but I have that’s far less than impressed with chrome. I don’t really feel like learning another web browser if I don’t have to. Besides, I get these Google doc link in my email, and fire fox is my default web browser. So even if I wanted to try chrome, I’m not sure how I would do that given the fact that I’m not willing to change my default browser to chrome.

Mary








Re: Gmail using thunderbird

Arlene
 

I’ll look at it too. I’ll pass this info to my friend who’s using win ten and is helping this other friend who’s using Thunderbird and win 7.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: March-05-18 5:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gmail using thunderbird

 

Hi again

 

or do you mean like the following link at https://www.lifewire.com/what-are-mail-com-pop3-settings-1170499

If it is some ting like that i am sure thunder bird would have the settings for it as well i would just have to look them up unless they are the same but with with thunderbird help.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 3/6/2018 2:12 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi

 

Do you mean as in the mail client that comes with windows 10? if it is that no.

 

Or is it like a mail provider? like outlook.com or gmail?

 

It may just be a matter of getting the email settings then entering them into thunder bird.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 3/6/2018 1:57 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi list. Arlene here: Can Gmail be added to thunderbird?  How does one do it?  Thanks any help will be appriciated. 

 

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Re: Gmail using thunderbird

Arlene
 

Thanks! I’ll pass that on too.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: March-05-18 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gmail using thunderbird

 

Hi.  go to tools/account settings.  Tab once to the "Accounts action Menu" button.  Press the space bar.  Here you can set up all sorts of accounts, but what you would be interested in is to add a new account, so arrow down to "Add Mail Account".  Press enter on that.  Now fill in your details in the appropriate edit fields like name, email address, which in your case should be *@gmail.com, for example, and don't forget to enter your password.   These edit fields can be accessed by tabbing through the interface.  once finished,  hit the "continue button" then tab to the "Done" button and press the space bar to activate it, and tb will do the rest.  Cheers!

 

On 6/3/2018 8:57 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi list. Arlene here: Can Gmail be added to thunderbird?  How does one do it?  Thanks any help will be appriciated. 

 


Re: Gmail using thunderbird

Arlene
 

Oh ok. That same thing happened to me just recently. I'm using outlook
2010. I had to do the same thing. I found that out the hard way too just
recently. I don't use thunder bird. Thanks for your help. I'll pass it onto
my friend who's helping this other friend put Gmail onto his thunder bird.
The person who's helping uses windows ten. Would that be a problem. Cause
she's using jaws 18 and so does this other person. The person who's needing
the help is using windows 7.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: March-05-18 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gmail using thunderbird

Ok, I assume like me you use pop and not imap.

First you will need to clear all your gmail accounts and other things from
thunderbird.

You next create your account as usual and set imap.

Then at some point google will ask you to login and put up a brouser window.

Login and click allow and then its connected.

You can clear imap and switch back to pop if you want.

I found that out the hard way when email stopped.




On 6/03/2018 1:57 p.m., Arlene wrote:
Hi list. Arlene here: Can Gmail be added to thunderbird? How does one
do it? Thanks any help will be appriciated.


Re: Gmail using thunderbird

 

Ok, I assume like me you use pop and not imap.

First you will need to clear all your gmail accounts and other things from thunderbird.

You next create your account as usual and set imap.

Then at some point google will ask you to login and put up a brouser window.

Login and click allow and then its connected.

You can clear imap and switch back to pop if you want.

I found that out the hard way when email stopped.

On 6/03/2018 1:57 p.m., Arlene wrote:
Hi list. Arlene here: Can Gmail be added to thunderbird? How does one do
it? Thanks any help will be appriciated.


Re: Gmail using thunderbird

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  go to tools/account settings.  Tab once to the "Accounts action Menu" button.  Press the space bar.  Here you can set up all sorts of accounts, but what you would be interested in is to add a new account, so arrow down to "Add Mail Account".  Press enter on that.  Now fill in your details in the appropriate edit fields like name, email address, which in your case should be *@gmail.com, for example, and don't forget to enter your password.   These edit fields can be accessed by tabbing through the interface.  once finished,  hit the "continue button" then tab to the "Done" button and press the space bar to activate it, and tb will do the rest.  Cheers!


On 6/3/2018 8:57 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi list. Arlene here: Can Gmail be added to thunderbird?  How does one do it?  Thanks any help will be appriciated. 



FW: [nvda-spl] SPL add-on 15.14-LTS, last release in 15.x series #addonrelease

 

Hi,

Please pass the below announcement onto other StationPlaylist Studio users.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda-spl@nvda-spl.groups.io <nvda-spl@nvda-spl.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 7:00 PM
To: nvda-spl@nvda-spl.groups.io
Subject: [nvda-spl] SPL add-on 15.14-LTS, last release in 15.x series #AddonRelease

 

Hi everyone,

 

If you are using StationPlaylist Studio 5.0x and/or are currently using Windows XP, Vista or 7 without Service Pack 1, please listen up:

 

SPL add-on 15.14-LTS is now available. As stated not long ago, this is the last release in the 15.x series (no more 15.x after this unless a really critical problem is found). Complete support for 15.x will end on April 30, 2018.

 

For people set to receive LTS updates automatically, 15.14-LTS is now ready to be downloaded and installed. For those who’d like to keep this version for future use or can’t use online update method, the direct link is:

http://github.com/josephsl/stationPlaylist/releases/download/18.03/stationPlaylist-15.14-lts.nvda-addon

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Moving focus to where one needs to be rather than just the PC cursor position

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Hank,

Numpad Plus does a say all with the review cursor (with desktop keyboard layout).  NVDA+numpad plus doesn't do anything (to my knowledge).

NVDA+numpad Enter (in desktop keyboard layout) will activate the current object, so there are various ways to get to a particular object, using any of the object navigation commands.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:45 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
so do you use
numpad plus
rather nvda numpad plus
and then nvda numpad enter?

On 3/5/2018 6:30 AM, Nancy Shackelford wrote:
Ah, I need to be doing your first piece of advice, and thank you ver much for this help. I will try the numpad+numpadEnter next time a similar siguation presents itself.

Thanks again,

Nance

On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Nancy,

If you are using the review cursor and / or object navigation to move through a document / web page / application, and want to activate the current item, try NVDA+numpad enter (or with laptop keyboard layout NVDA+enter).  In many cases this will activate the current item similar to clicking on it with the mouse.

You can also try moving the system focus to the current item by pressing NVDA+shift+numpad minus (with laptop key layout press NVDA+shift+backspace).  At that point, you may be able to activate the item with SHIFT or ENTER etc depending on what it is and what you want to do.


In the Basic Training for NVDA see the "NVDA Review Cursor" section and the following "Object Navigation" section.  You can download the Review Cursor section for free as a trial of the book from: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/ (there is a "Basic NVDA Training eBook sample" link on that page).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
I have found on apps dialogues and on web pages as well that I can read things with the numpad keys but can't make the cursor focus on these items. I cannot find this in the help topics. Can I do this, and if so, please list commands.

Thanks in advance,

Nance

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Re: New user questions: voice rate, reading message in WLM.

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Janet,

With the OneCore voices, adjusting the speed can be a little trickier than other synthesizers.  We're working on having this fixed, but in the meantime, Press the Windows key, type "Speech settings" and open the Speech Settings system setting item.  In there, tab down to the "speed" slider, and use that to adjust the speed.  You can use both this and the rate settings in NVDA itself.  So the fastest you can go is to set this slider all the way to the right, and increase the speech rate in NVDA to 100%.  You can do that either from the Voice settings dialog (NVDA+control+v) or using the Synth settings ring.  Press NVDA+CONTROL+LEFT or RIGHT ARROW to select the item to adjust (the default is rate) then press NVDA+CONTROL+UP arrow to increase and NVDA+CONTROL+DOWN ARROW to decrease the rate.

As you have found, the "Rate boost" feature is available in eSpeak, but not in Windows OneCore voices.  There are various features which are only available in one synthesizer or another.  One slightly hidden feature for instance, is using eSpeak or OneCore voices, instead of pressing CONTROL to stop speech and then pressing the say all command to start again, you can press SHIFT once to pause speech at any time, and then SHIFT again to continue speaking from exactly where it left off.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:33 AM, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
    Hi Jean,
 
Thank you for all that great information. I’m using Windows-1 core voices which doesn’t seem to support the rate boost feature. I’ll have to experiment with some of the other voices that come with NVDA. When reading through the mannual, I didn’t find information about this voice rate boost feature. Did I miss it or is it just not there?
 
Janet
 
From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New user questions: voice rate, reading message in WLM.
 

Hi Janet

 

I do not use the programthat you metion so no answer there.

 

The answer to the second questions is press the ctrl key +nvda key + the letter V

 

next tab down to rate boost and check it with the space bar it is just under the rate one.

 

it might be a good idea first to drop the rate right down then check the rate boost box first then go back up and speed it up via the rate one.

 

The reason for that is it might go 2 fast and you may not be able to under stand it.

 

By the way which synth/voice package are you using? as it may not work on some other synth packages but will for sure on the e speak one

 

You will see what i mean if you try it with e speak and then with one that might not work with it.

 

Gene nz

 


On 3/3/2018 5:27 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:
Hello everyone,
 
After using Window-Eyes for many years I started using NVDa about a week ago and am quite impressed so far. Hopefully someone can answer a couple of questiongs: First, when reading messages in WLM, the message doesn’t start reading automatically when I open it. I have to first press “tab” which then says document. Then it reads the first and last lines. I have to use the up and down arrow keys to read the entire message. How can I read messages more smoothly and automatically? when I open them?
 
Second, I have the voice rate set to 100% which is sometimes too slow, especially when going through long lists of messages. I remember seeing somewhere that the rate can be increased up to 300%, but I don’t remember how to do this. Would someone please refresh my memory?
 
Thanks for your help, I’m sure I will have more questions over the next few weeks.
 
Janet

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Re: Gmail using thunderbird

mk360
 

El 05/03/2018 a las 22:52, Arlene escribió:

No, This person uses windows 7.  I know it can be used with outlook 2010. That’s what I have.  Can this person use it with win 7?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: March-05-18 5:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gmail using thunderbird

 

Hi

 

Do you mean as in the mail client that comes with windows 10? if it is that no.

 

Or is it like a mail provider? like outlook.com or gmail?

 

It may just be a matter of getting the email settings then entering them into thunder bird.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 3/6/2018 1:57 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi list. Arlene here: Can Gmail be added to thunderbird?  How does one do it?  Thanks any help will be appriciated. 

 

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Re: Gmail using thunderbird

Arlene
 

No, This person uses windows 7.  I know it can be used with outlook 2010. That’s what I have.  Can this person use it with win 7?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: March-05-18 5:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gmail using thunderbird

 

Hi

 

Do you mean as in the mail client that comes with windows 10? if it is that no.

 

Or is it like a mail provider? like outlook.com or gmail?

 

It may just be a matter of getting the email settings then entering them into thunder bird.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 3/6/2018 1:57 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi list. Arlene here: Can Gmail be added to thunderbird?  How does one do it?  Thanks any help will be appriciated. 

 

--

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