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I just downloaded a recent master snap, and every so often, while editing an emial or reading one I'll suddenly here Dropbox up to date. Anyone know why?
Is this some new feature I'm unaware of?
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Re: Anti Virus Program

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Oh dear.
chuckle. we shall agree to disagree in the spirit of the list.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


But considering that one way to prevent infection under certain conditions is to turn the machine off, your message appeared to be discussing that method. Keep the machine off or don't use the machine, might have expressed the idea. But turn the machine off, given certain conditions on Internet sites where that is the procedure prescribed to prevent infection, as I discussed in my message, is ambigguous.

Gene
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Actually, I was being sarcastic about the only way to stop getting infected.
A never used machine is very safe indeed.

Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Turn the machine off? When? When you go to a web site with hacked
advertising and your machine has already been infected with no indication of
it to the user? Or if you absentmindedly do something you shouldn't do?
I'm not infallible. Once, I wasn't thinking about what I was doing and I
followed a link that came in a message that looked as though it came from
someone I knew. I just wasn't thinking at the moment. Avast wouldn't let
me connect with the web site. What would have happened if I wasn't running
an antivirus program? Who knows? I don't recall ever doing something like
that before or since. But I just wasn't thinking one time in a lot of years
of computer use.

You have to take actions to be infected in many cases, but there are cases,
and their number is growing, where you don't. You can greatly reduce the
danger by using a JAVA script blocker or by turning scripts off except on
sites where they are necessary. But just saying turn the computer off only
works in cases where malware wants you to click something like a yes or ok
button or no button on a web page. It doesn't matter what button you click.
Clicking any button will cause the malware to install. So, in those cases,
just shutting down the computer will stop you from being infected. But if
it were that easy not to become infected, these antimalware companies
wouldn't exist.

Gene
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Yes take the cheap route, just tirm he computer off and leave it off, very
safe and costs nothing.. grin
I do feel we are losing our way. Most of the exploits are aimed at people
not exploits.
Obviously they will need to patch holes, but expecting anti virus systems
to protect from everything is really impossible in my view. The more they
try to find everything the more they slow the computer down and trigger
false positives, and of course since everyone except Microsoft seem to have
designed their front ends inaccessibly, there is no hope for us.
That is my reading of the current situation. I'll let you know when my
completely unprotected amd chipped xp machines get clobbered. Probably not
for a long while unless I'm very unlucky.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there just
isn't anymore.

Avast could have been a great program.

Nod32 was accessible up to a point, it aint now, vipre maybe, panda
antivirus maybe.

Sophos.

To be honest the fact so many lagit programs are being mistargeted,
forcing users like me to have to basically leave vast parts of the os open
to attack is a problem.

Some users have gone so far to exclude their drives from scanning and that
does in deed fix things.

On my new system I am just going to have to exclude my backup drive from
scanning because I just don't trust what windows defender will do.

As for the rest, I will have to restructure my drive, and exclude all
audio games, all portable apps, all apps, all user installed programs the
only things I will leave with programs in it are windows and ms programs
and my downloads folder and maybe make a folder for unprocessed files and
exclude that.

Basically to use my system securely I will have to exclude pritty much
half my c drive in order to not run into problems.

I may as well not use antivirus alltogether, but I have no choice, there
are just to many false positives to handle.




On 9/03/2018 3:14 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to
control anything the program did after installation.

Is there anything better I could try?

Andrea



Re: Anti Virus Program

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I think the main issue here is that every anti virus solution lulls the user into thinking, I don't care, the anti virus will protect me, but it wont as all of them are reactive. they cannot protect you from something unknown unless it uses obvious code to do it and it is this last fact, ie they look for common hacks that causes all the false positives, particularly on access software.
I am really surprised at Mozilla falling for this one, by attempting to sandbox almost all of the inner workings of Firefox and having to re invent the wheel for access software. This in my view simply stimulates people to hack the code, or use access software as the vector, but then that would only infect a very small number of machines.
Most malware needs to be able to compromise your machine unknown to you so you can pass it on, and also not let you see it so they have time to exploit the control or snooping they have.
If you presume you have very little protection you will I hope not be so cavalier about what sites you go to in case they are infected. Its nearly always the user who is the vector. We are entering a time where most of the good exploits are known and patched, so the user is the only part of a system you cannot install anti virus on!

Sorry but that is my view. All those people I have seen who have got a mangled unusable system have done it to themselves, maybe not knowingly, but we do need to educate people that if you store your life online, its just as bad to go to dodgy neighbourhoods virtually on your machine as it is to walk into a no go area of a city at night and wonder why some moped riding dork nicks your phone.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Hello,

Many tech experts now suggest that anti-virus programs should not be used,
that Windows Security is good enough for most users, and that using other
security software actually could leave your machine more vulnerable to
attack. this is for home users, not for enterprise users, but for the
average home user, the built-in security software is good enough, along
with a router firewall and the one built into the OS, and proper surfing
habbits such as not clicking on links and opening attachments in e-mails
you do not know and trust. I don't know if I am ready to adopt this advice
yet, but this is what many tech experts are recommending now.

As for me, I recommend Sophos. Sophos is focused on the enterprise market,
and they have a very robust home version at this time that is nearly fully
accessible from their web interface. it is a program i recommend highly. It
has also been rated pretty highly by independent lab testing methodologies.

Thanks.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:18 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Actually, I was being sarcastic about the only way to stop getting
infected.
A never used machine is very safe indeed.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Turn the machine off? When? When you go to a web site with hacked
advertising and your machine has already been infected with no indication
of
it to the user? Or if you absentmindedly do something you shouldn't do?
I'm not infallible. Once, I wasn't thinking about what I was doing and I
followed a link that came in a message that looked as though it came from
someone I knew. I just wasn't thinking at the moment. Avast wouldn't let
me connect with the web site. What would have happened if I wasn't running
an antivirus program? Who knows? I don't recall ever doing something like
that before or since. But I just wasn't thinking one time in a lot of
years
of computer use.

You have to take actions to be infected in many cases, but there are cases,
and their number is growing, where you don't. You can greatly reduce the
danger by using a JAVA script blocker or by turning scripts off except on
sites where they are necessary. But just saying turn the computer off only
works in cases where malware wants you to click something like a yes or ok
button or no button on a web page. It doesn't matter what button you
click.
Clicking any button will cause the malware to install. So, in those cases,
just shutting down the computer will stop you from being infected. But if
it were that easy not to become infected, these antimalware companies
wouldn't exist.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Yes take the cheap route, just tirm he computer off and leave it off, very
safe and costs nothing.. grin
I do feel we are losing our way. Most of the exploits are aimed at people
not exploits.
Obviously they will need to patch holes, but expecting anti virus systems
to protect from everything is really impossible in my view. The more they
try to find everything the more they slow the computer down and trigger
false positives, and of course since everyone except Microsoft seem to have
designed their front ends inaccessibly, there is no hope for us.
That is my reading of the current situation. I'll let you know when my
completely unprotected amd chipped xp machines get clobbered. Probably not
for a long while unless I'm very unlucky.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there just
isn't anymore.

Avast could have been a great program.

Nod32 was accessible up to a point, it aint now, vipre maybe, panda
antivirus maybe.

Sophos.

To be honest the fact so many lagit programs are being mistargeted,
forcing users like me to have to basically leave vast parts of the os
open
to attack is a problem.

Some users have gone so far to exclude their drives from scanning and
that
does in deed fix things.

On my new system I am just going to have to exclude my backup drive from
scanning because I just don't trust what windows defender will do.

As for the rest, I will have to restructure my drive, and exclude all
audio games, all portable apps, all apps, all user installed programs the
only things I will leave with programs in it are windows and ms programs
and my downloads folder and maybe make a folder for unprocessed files and
exclude that.

Basically to use my system securely I will have to exclude pritty much
half my c drive in order to not run into problems.

I may as well not use antivirus alltogether, but I have no choice, there
are just to many false positives to handle.




On 9/03/2018 3:14 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to
control anything the program did after installation.

Is there anything better I could try?

Andrea








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attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
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Re: Anti Virus Program

Nimer Jaber
 

I just got those links after a quick Google searc, but there are users on both sides of the issue... I have seen more and more tech and security experts leaning twards Windows Security to be adequate enough.

thanks.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:32 AM Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
Hm, have you got any references for those comments "many tech experts now
suggest that anti-virus programs should not be used" and "using other security
software actually could leave your machine more vulnerable"?

That sounds interesting and quite significant - I'd like to read more
background about such opinions.


Thanks,


Antony.

On Friday 09 March 2018 at 17:24:47, Nimer Jaber wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Many tech experts now suggest that anti-virus programs should not be used,
> that Windows Security is good enough for most users, and that using other
> security software actually could leave your machine more vulnerable to
> attack. this is for home users, not for enterprise users, but for the
> average home user, the built-in security software is good enough, along
> with a router firewall and the one built into the OS, and proper surfing
> habbits such as not clicking on links and opening attachments in e-mails
> you do not know and trust. I don't know if I am ready to adopt this advice
> yet, but this is what many tech experts are recommending now.
>
> As for me, I recommend Sophos. Sophos is focused on the enterprise market,
> and they have a very robust home version at this time that is nearly fully
> accessible from their web interface. it is a program i recommend highly. It
> has also been rated pretty highly by independent lab testing methodologies.

--
Anyone that's normal doesn't really achieve much.

 - Mark Blair, Australian rocket engineer

                                                   Please reply to the list;
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--
Cordially,

Nimer Jaber

My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with all tools available to me.
My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and 100% personal responsibility.

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
and above, please click here:
http://www.nvda-project.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (218-606-0475) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank
you, and have a great day!


Re: Anti Virus Program

Nimer Jaber
 

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:32 AM Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
Hm, have you got any references for those comments "many tech experts now
suggest that anti-virus programs should not be used" and "using other security
software actually could leave your machine more vulnerable"?

That sounds interesting and quite significant - I'd like to read more
background about such opinions.


Thanks,


Antony.

On Friday 09 March 2018 at 17:24:47, Nimer Jaber wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Many tech experts now suggest that anti-virus programs should not be used,
> that Windows Security is good enough for most users, and that using other
> security software actually could leave your machine more vulnerable to
> attack. this is for home users, not for enterprise users, but for the
> average home user, the built-in security software is good enough, along
> with a router firewall and the one built into the OS, and proper surfing
> habbits such as not clicking on links and opening attachments in e-mails
> you do not know and trust. I don't know if I am ready to adopt this advice
> yet, but this is what many tech experts are recommending now.
>
> As for me, I recommend Sophos. Sophos is focused on the enterprise market,
> and they have a very robust home version at this time that is nearly fully
> accessible from their web interface. it is a program i recommend highly. It
> has also been rated pretty highly by independent lab testing methodologies.

--
Anyone that's normal doesn't really achieve much.

 - Mark Blair, Australian rocket engineer

                                                   Please reply to the list;
                                                         please *don't* CC me.



--
Cordially,

Nimer Jaber

My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with all tools available to me.
My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and 100% personal responsibility.

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
and above, please click here:
http://www.nvda-project.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (218-606-0475) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank
you, and have a great day!


Re: Anti Virus Program

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https://sourceforge.net/projects/clamwin/files/clamwin/0.99.1/clamwin-0.99.1-setup.exe/download?use_mirror=kent


Found in three clicks of the keyboard.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Casey" <cwollner@wi.rr.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Hi where can you get this clamwin from?

And what does it take to set it all up?




On 3/8/2018 10:57 PM, Sam Taylor wrote:

Try Clamwin antivirus. it's effective, small, portable and free.


On 9/03/2018 14:20, Shaun Everiss wrote:
You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there
just isn't anymore.

Avast could have been a great program.

Nod32 was accessible up to a point, it aint now, vipre maybe, panda
antivirus maybe.

Sophos.

To be honest the fact so many lagit programs are being mistargeted,
forcing users like me to have to basically leave vast parts of the os
open to attack is a problem.

Some users have gone so far to exclude their drives from scanning and
that does in deed fix things.

On my new system I am just going to have to exclude my backup drive
from scanning because I just don't trust what windows defender will do.

As for the rest, I will have to restructure my drive, and exclude all
audio games, all portable apps, all apps, all user installed
programs the only things I will leave with programs in it are windows
and ms programs and my downloads folder and maybe make a folder for
unprocessed files and exclude that.

Basically to use my system securely I will have to exclude pritty
much half my c drive in order to not run into problems.

I may as well not use antivirus alltogether, but I have no choice,
there are just to many false positives to handle.




On 9/03/2018 3:14 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to
control anything the program did after installation.

Is there anything better I could try?

Andrea


--

Casey


Re: Anti Virus Program

Antony Stone
 

Hm, have you got any references for those comments "many tech experts now
suggest that anti-virus programs should not be used" and "using other security
software actually could leave your machine more vulnerable"?

That sounds interesting and quite significant - I'd like to read more
background about such opinions.


Thanks,


Antony.

On Friday 09 March 2018 at 17:24:47, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Hello,

Many tech experts now suggest that anti-virus programs should not be used,
that Windows Security is good enough for most users, and that using other
security software actually could leave your machine more vulnerable to
attack. this is for home users, not for enterprise users, but for the
average home user, the built-in security software is good enough, along
with a router firewall and the one built into the OS, and proper surfing
habbits such as not clicking on links and opening attachments in e-mails
you do not know and trust. I don't know if I am ready to adopt this advice
yet, but this is what many tech experts are recommending now.

As for me, I recommend Sophos. Sophos is focused on the enterprise market,
and they have a very robust home version at this time that is nearly fully
accessible from their web interface. it is a program i recommend highly. It
has also been rated pretty highly by independent lab testing methodologies.
--
Anyone that's normal doesn't really achieve much.

- Mark Blair, Australian rocket engineer

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: Anti Virus Program

Gene
 

But considering that one way to prevent infection under certain conditions is to turn the machine off, your message appeared to be discussing that method.  Keep the machine off or don't use the machine, might have expressed the idea.  But turn the machine off, given certain conditions on Internet sites where that is the procedure prescribed to prevent infection, as I discussed in my message, is ambigguous.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program

Actually, I was being sarcastic about the only way to stop getting infected.
A never used machine is very safe indeed.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Turn the machine off?  When?  When you go to a web site with hacked
advertising and your machine has already been infected with no indication of
it to the user?  Or if you absentmindedly do something you shouldn't do?
I'm not infallible.  Once, I wasn't thinking about what I was doing and I
followed a link that came in a message that looked as though it came from
someone I knew.  I just wasn't thinking at the moment.  Avast wouldn't let
me connect with the web site.  What would have happened if I wasn't running
an antivirus program?  Who knows?  I don't recall ever doing something like
that before or since.  But I just wasn't thinking one time in a lot of years
of computer use.

You have to take actions to be infected in many cases, but there are cases,
and their number is growing, where you don't.  You can greatly reduce the
danger by using a JAVA script blocker or by turning scripts off except on
sites where they are necessary.  But just saying turn the computer off only
works in cases where malware wants you to click something like a yes or ok
button or no button on a web page.  It doesn't matter what button you click.
Clicking any button will cause the malware to install.  So, in those cases,
just shutting down the computer will stop you from being infected.  But if
it were that easy not to become infected, these antimalware companies
wouldn't exist.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Yes take the cheap route, just tirm he computer off and leave it off, very
safe and costs nothing.. grin
 I do feel we are losing our way. Most of the exploits are aimed at people
not exploits.
 Obviously they will need to patch holes, but expecting anti virus systems
to protect from everything is really impossible in my view. The more they
try to find everything the more they slow the computer down and trigger
false positives, and of course since everyone except Microsoft seem to have
designed their front ends inaccessibly, there is no hope for us.
 That is my reading of the current situation. I'll let you know when my
completely unprotected  amd chipped xp machines get clobbered. Probably not
for a long while unless I'm very unlucky.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


> You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there just
> isn't anymore.
>
> Avast could have been a great program.
>
> Nod32 was accessible up to a point, it aint now, vipre maybe, panda
> antivirus maybe.
>
> Sophos.
>
> To be honest the fact so many lagit programs are being mistargeted,
> forcing users like me to have to basically leave vast parts of the os open
> to attack is a problem.
>
> Some users have gone so far to exclude their drives from scanning and that
> does in deed fix things.
>
> On my new system I am just going to have to exclude my backup drive from
> scanning because I just don't trust what windows defender will do.
>
> As for the rest, I will have to restructure my drive, and exclude all
> audio games, all portable apps, all apps, all user installed programs the
> only things I will leave with programs in it are windows and ms programs
> and my downloads folder and maybe make a folder for unprocessed files and
> exclude that.
>
> Basically to use my system securely I will have to exclude pritty much
> half my c drive in order to not run into problems.
>
> I may as well not use antivirus alltogether, but I have no choice, there
> are just to many false positives to handle.
>
>
>
>
> On 9/03/2018 3:14 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
>> tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to
>> control anything the program did after installation.
>>
>> Is there anything better I could try?
>>
>> Andrea
>>
>
>
>
>







Re: Anti Virus Program

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

Many tech experts now suggest that anti-virus programs should not be used, that Windows Security is good enough for most users, and that using other security software actually could leave your machine more vulnerable to attack. this is for home users, not for enterprise users, but for the average home user, the built-in security software is good enough, along with a router firewall and the one built into the OS, and proper surfing habbits such as not clicking on links and opening attachments in e-mails you do not know and trust. I don't know if I am ready to adopt this advice yet, but this is what many tech experts are recommending now.

As for me, I recommend Sophos. Sophos is focused on the enterprise market, and they have a very robust home version at this time that is nearly fully accessible from their web interface. it is a program i recommend highly. It has also been rated pretty highly by independent lab testing methodologies.

Thanks.


On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:18 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Actually, I was being sarcastic about the only way to stop getting infected.
A never used machine is very safe indeed.

Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Turn the machine off?  When?  When you go to a web site with hacked
advertising and your machine has already been infected with no indication of
it to the user?  Or if you absentmindedly do something you shouldn't do?
I'm not infallible.  Once, I wasn't thinking about what I was doing and I
followed a link that came in a message that looked as though it came from
someone I knew.  I just wasn't thinking at the moment.  Avast wouldn't let
me connect with the web site.  What would have happened if I wasn't running
an antivirus program?  Who knows?  I don't recall ever doing something like
that before or since.  But I just wasn't thinking one time in a lot of years
of computer use.

You have to take actions to be infected in many cases, but there are cases,
and their number is growing, where you don't.  You can greatly reduce the
danger by using a JAVA script blocker or by turning scripts off except on
sites where they are necessary.  But just saying turn the computer off only
works in cases where malware wants you to click something like a yes or ok
button or no button on a web page.  It doesn't matter what button you click.
Clicking any button will cause the malware to install.  So, in those cases,
just shutting down the computer will stop you from being infected.  But if
it were that easy not to become infected, these antimalware companies
wouldn't exist.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Yes take the cheap route, just tirm he computer off and leave it off, very
safe and costs nothing.. grin
 I do feel we are losing our way. Most of the exploits are aimed at people
not exploits.
 Obviously they will need to patch holes, but expecting anti virus systems
to protect from everything is really impossible in my view. The more they
try to find everything the more they slow the computer down and trigger
false positives, and of course since everyone except Microsoft seem to have
designed their front ends inaccessibly, there is no hope for us.
 That is my reading of the current situation. I'll let you know when my
completely unprotected  amd chipped xp machines get clobbered. Probably not
for a long while unless I'm very unlucky.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


> You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there just
> isn't anymore.
>
> Avast could have been a great program.
>
> Nod32 was accessible up to a point, it aint now, vipre maybe, panda
> antivirus maybe.
>
> Sophos.
>
> To be honest the fact so many lagit programs are being mistargeted,
> forcing users like me to have to basically leave vast parts of the os open
> to attack is a problem.
>
> Some users have gone so far to exclude their drives from scanning and that
> does in deed fix things.
>
> On my new system I am just going to have to exclude my backup drive from
> scanning because I just don't trust what windows defender will do.
>
> As for the rest, I will have to restructure my drive, and exclude all
> audio games, all portable apps, all apps, all user installed programs the
> only things I will leave with programs in it are windows and ms programs
> and my downloads folder and maybe make a folder for unprocessed files and
> exclude that.
>
> Basically to use my system securely I will have to exclude pritty much
> half my c drive in order to not run into problems.
>
> I may as well not use antivirus alltogether, but I have no choice, there
> are just to many false positives to handle.
>
>
>
>
> On 9/03/2018 3:14 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
>> tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to
>> control anything the program did after installation.
>>
>> Is there anything better I could try?
>>
>> Andrea
>>
>
>
>
>







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Re: Anti Virus Program

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Have you done a google search?
Dont expect too much from it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Casey" <cwollner@wi.rr.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Hi where can you get this clamwin from?
And what does it take to set it all up?
On 3/8/2018 10:57 PM, Sam Taylor wrote:

Try Clamwin antivirus. it's effective, small, portable and free.


On 9/03/2018 14:20, Shaun Everiss wrote:
You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there just isn't anymore.

Avast could have been a great program.

Nod32 was accessible up to a point, it aint now, vipre maybe, panda antivirus maybe.

Sophos.

To be honest the fact so many lagit programs are being mistargeted, forcing users like me to have to basically leave vast parts of the os open to attack is a problem.

Some users have gone so far to exclude their drives from scanning and that does in deed fix things.

On my new system I am just going to have to exclude my backup drive from scanning because I just don't trust what windows defender will do.

As for the rest, I will have to restructure my drive, and exclude all audio games, all portable apps, all apps, all user installed programs the only things I will leave with programs in it are windows and ms programs and my downloads folder and maybe make a folder for unprocessed files and exclude that.

Basically to use my system securely I will have to exclude pritty much half my c drive in order to not run into problems.

I may as well not use antivirus alltogether, but I have no choice, there are just to many false positives to handle.




On 9/03/2018 3:14 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to control anything the program did after installation.

Is there anything better I could try?

Andrea


--
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Re: Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?

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Oh it works with 10, it just gets trashed when windows decides to do a complete reinstall usually every 3 months if my friends are anything to go by.
I think the latest incarnation of oe with the patch allows you to back up all data and restore it after the reinstall later on.
You can also try oe classic as has been said here recently, but really, to me the mystery is why it won't work with tbird when many people have no issues with it on 32 bit installations. Obviously you need to right version of the software and a machine running sp1 of windows 7.
brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?


outlook express for windows 7 and 8, sometimes it does not work with windows 10
or thunder bird with all windows

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?


Is this the ribbon or menu version? If someone wants the older menu version, it is important that they not install the ribbon version. You can't just uninstall it and then install the menu version later. I believe you have to remove one or more entries from the registry first. So unless you know what version you are downloading and which one you want, don't install a version without knowing.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Florian Ionașcu
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 1:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?


Hello everyone!
I would use Windows Live Mail when I was using Windows 7, so I can help you. Click here to download this installation package.

Cheers,
Florian


Re: Anti Virus Program

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Actually, I was being sarcastic about the only way to stop getting infected. A never used machine is very safe indeed.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Turn the machine off? When? When you go to a web site with hacked advertising and your machine has already been infected with no indication of it to the user? Or if you absentmindedly do something you shouldn't do? I'm not infallible. Once, I wasn't thinking about what I was doing and I followed a link that came in a message that looked as though it came from someone I knew. I just wasn't thinking at the moment. Avast wouldn't let me connect with the web site. What would have happened if I wasn't running an antivirus program? Who knows? I don't recall ever doing something like that before or since. But I just wasn't thinking one time in a lot of years of computer use.

You have to take actions to be infected in many cases, but there are cases, and their number is growing, where you don't. You can greatly reduce the danger by using a JAVA script blocker or by turning scripts off except on sites where they are necessary. But just saying turn the computer off only works in cases where malware wants you to click something like a yes or ok button or no button on a web page. It doesn't matter what button you click. Clicking any button will cause the malware to install. So, in those cases, just shutting down the computer will stop you from being infected. But if it were that easy not to become infected, these antimalware companies wouldn't exist.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Yes take the cheap route, just tirm he computer off and leave it off, very
safe and costs nothing.. grin
I do feel we are losing our way. Most of the exploits are aimed at people
not exploits.
Obviously they will need to patch holes, but expecting anti virus systems
to protect from everything is really impossible in my view. The more they
try to find everything the more they slow the computer down and trigger
false positives, and of course since everyone except Microsoft seem to have
designed their front ends inaccessibly, there is no hope for us.
That is my reading of the current situation. I'll let you know when my
completely unprotected amd chipped xp machines get clobbered. Probably not
for a long while unless I'm very unlucky.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there just
isn't anymore.

Avast could have been a great program.

Nod32 was accessible up to a point, it aint now, vipre maybe, panda
antivirus maybe.

Sophos.

To be honest the fact so many lagit programs are being mistargeted,
forcing users like me to have to basically leave vast parts of the os open
to attack is a problem.

Some users have gone so far to exclude their drives from scanning and that
does in deed fix things.

On my new system I am just going to have to exclude my backup drive from
scanning because I just don't trust what windows defender will do.

As for the rest, I will have to restructure my drive, and exclude all
audio games, all portable apps, all apps, all user installed programs the
only things I will leave with programs in it are windows and ms programs
and my downloads folder and maybe make a folder for unprocessed files and
exclude that.

Basically to use my system securely I will have to exclude pritty much
half my c drive in order to not run into problems.

I may as well not use antivirus alltogether, but I have no choice, there
are just to many false positives to handle.




On 9/03/2018 3:14 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to
control anything the program did after installation.

Is there anything better I could try?

Andrea



Re: where can I get an older version of NVDA?

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Well mine ar at.
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda

I'm using windows7.

Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandra Pilz" <sandra914481@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?


I have installed NVDA-2017.4 after uninstalling the current version. Unfortunately, the Braille Driver from the new version still is being used, and the HandyTech driver via the Classic Addon doesn't work anymore. I assume when I uninstalled 2018.1, the new drivers weren't deleted, and now the older version of NVDA tries to use the newer drivers. Where do I have to go to delete them manually?


Best


Sandra


Am 09.03.2018 um 13:11 schrieb Sandra Pilz:
Thank you for the download link, Zara.


Brian, I have reported the problem to HandyTech and they will also contact the developers of NVDA to work together with them to resolve this.


Best


Sandra


Am 09.03.2018 um 11:10 schrieb zahra:
since i asked once and joseph gave me permission to send direct link
for download,
hear you are direct download link for nvda 2017.4 for everyone who needs it.
finally for myself, i decided to use 16.4 forever!

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.4/nvda_2017.4.exe

On 3/9/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
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Could we ask exactly why you might need to do this?
Is it that an add on no longer works? If so then this needs to be reported

to the list for add ons.
Brian

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From: "Chris Judd" <chrischas0805@charter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?


Hi all,

Today, I accidently updated to the latest version of NVDA. Is there a place

I can go to download the version before this one?
Chris







Re: where can I get an older version of NVDA?

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Yes its a strange one as I saw a lot of interaction on the github site about getting this right, and yet it seems to have gone wrong anyway. Not having the luxury of Braille displays, its all a bit of a black art to me.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?


Thank you for the download link, Zara.


Brian, I have reported the problem to HandyTech and they will also contact the developers of NVDA to work together with them to resolve this.


Best


Sandra


Am 09.03.2018 um 11:10 schrieb zahra:
since i asked once and joseph gave me permission to send direct link
for download,
hear you are direct download link for nvda 2017.4 for everyone who needs it.
finally for myself, i decided to use 16.4 forever!

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.4/nvda_2017.4.exe

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<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Could we ask exactly why you might need to do this?
Is it that an add on no longer works? If so then this needs to be reported

to the list for add ons.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?


Hi all,

Today, I accidently updated to the latest version of NVDA. Is there a place

I can go to download the version before this one?
Chris






Re: Braille support in Google Sheets with NVDA 2018.1 change release notes

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I find it quite funny that there are RC builds out there much advertised here, and nobody spots problems, but due no doubt to Murphy's law, they all get noticed on the release version. Both in this case on brailed support by the looks of it.

You can't win really, can you? :-)

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Davy Cuppens" <davycuppens@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille support in Google Sheets with NVDA 2018.1 change release notes


So please delete the sentence in the release notes about early support while users are reporting there is no support.
Otherwise users get wrong expectations.
Regards
Davy

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 9 mrt. 2018 om 09:56 heeft Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@access42.net> het volgende geschreven:

Hello Quentin and all,
I have screen reader support enabled, braille support enabled in Google docs.
Unfortunately, I still cannot find any option in the Google Sheets settings, to enable Braille Support.
In their help section Google say:
"Turn on Braille support
1. Open a Docs file on your computer:
•Docs, Slides, or Drawings: Open the file in Google Chrome, Firefox, Safari, or Internet Explorer.
•Sheets: Braille support in Sheets is available on Chrome OS with the ChromeVox screen reader. Please make sure that you have the latest versions of Chrome OS and ChromeVox. We’re working to add support for other platforms and screen readers.
2. If you haven't already turned on screen reader support for the Docs editors, press Ctrl + Alt + z (Windows) or ⌘ + Option + z (Mac).
3. In the Accessibility menu, select Settings.
4. Select Enable Braille support.
If you turn Braille support on in Docs, Sheets, Slides, or Drawings, the setting applies whenever you sign in to any of these editors."
See: https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6057417?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en
On this page, https://venturebeat.com/2018/01/09/google-adds-braille-support-to-sheets-magnifier-tool-to-slides-and-drawings/
they say:
"Braille displays can already be used to read and edit texts in Docs, Slides, and Drawings. With the added support for Sheets, users will now be able to read and edit cell contents, as well as navigate between cells on a sheet. According to Google’s blog post, this will only be available on Chrome OS with the ChromeVox screen reader, for now. The company says it is working to add support for other platforms and screen readers."
So I thought that with this announcement on what's new in NVDA, the support would work, but it still does not here.
Thank you for any information you can find.
Best
Sylvie
Le 09/03/2018 à 06:16, Quentin Christensen a écrit :
Hi Sylvie,

I must admit I need to test this more myself, but reading: https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6057417?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en it indicates you need to enable screen reader support, and then enable braille support as well in Google sheets itself. It also gives a little info on using the routing keys on the display to navigate.

Let me know whether that does or doesn't help!

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:22 AM, Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@access42.net> wrote:
Hello Quentin and all,

Thanks for the good news on NVDA 2018.1.

While reading "what's new" in this version, I saw the following statement:

"Early support for Google Sheets with Braille mode enabled. (#7935)"

What does it mean?
I could not get Braille to work in Google Sheets with this new version.
Thank you for your response.

Best

Sylvie
Le 08/03/2018 à 06:23, Quentin Christensen a écrit :
Hi everyone,

The first release of #NVDASR for 2018 is finally here. Links to download and what's new in this release found at:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-1-now-available-for-download/

While downloading, please consider helping us to continue our work by making a single donation or becoming a monthly donor at http://nvaccess.org/donate

NVDA is empowering the blind across the world. Check out how in our recent video: https://youtu.be/Ks7AwV_uxO0
The first release of #NVDASR for 2018 is finally here. Links to download and what's new in this release found at:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-1-now-available-for-download/

While downloading, please consider helping us to continue our work by making a single donation or becoming a monthly donor at http://nvaccess.org/donate

NVDA is empowering the blind across the world. Check out how in our recent video: https://youtu.be/Ks7AwV_uxO0


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Re: Anti Virus Program

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi where can you get this clamwin from?

And what does it take to set it all up?




On 3/8/2018 10:57 PM, Sam Taylor wrote:

Try Clamwin antivirus. it's effective, small, portable and free.


On 9/03/2018 14:20, Shaun Everiss wrote:
You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there just isn't anymore.

Avast could have been a great program.

Nod32 was accessible up to a point, it aint now, vipre maybe, panda antivirus maybe.

Sophos.

To be honest the fact so many lagit programs are being mistargeted, forcing users like me to have to basically leave vast parts of the os open to attack is a problem.

Some users have gone so far to exclude their drives from scanning and that does in deed fix things.

On my new system I am just going to have to exclude my backup drive from scanning because I just don't trust what windows defender will do.

As for the rest, I will have to restructure my drive, and exclude all audio games, all portable apps, all apps,  all user installed programs the only things I will leave with programs in it are windows and ms programs and my downloads folder and maybe make a folder for unprocessed files and exclude that.

Basically to use my system securely I will have to exclude pritty much half my c drive in order to not run into problems.

I may as well not use antivirus alltogether, but I have no choice, there are just to many false positives to handle.




On 9/03/2018 3:14 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to control anything the program did after installation.

Is there anything better I could try?

Andrea






-- 

Casey


Re: Anti Virus Program

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

I said efficient, not good or perfect.  I do nnot want to debate about the good or bad of one anti-virus program above the other. I am just speaking from my personal observation which no one is forced to take on board.  I use Windows defender, my pc is protected against threats, that's good enough for me.

On 9/3/2018 3:42 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
On that note, what steps can we do to reduce false positives exactly.

Issue, just about every blind related thing bgt excluded since that can't be helped as such because of its design is being flagged as a virus, excluding things does help, but there are old vb6 programs saying this, is there anything say a user can do, ie create an exclude list of things they can share, or have some dictionary of programs or something one could upload somewhere, there are just so many false alarms.




On 9/03/2018 7:13 p.m., Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Hi. Windows defender is efficient enough these days.  Avg has no accessible value, at least not to my knowledge.  Cheers!


On 9/3/2018 10:14 AM, Andrea Sherry wrote:
tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to control anything the program did after installation.

Is there anything better I could try?

Andrea



.


Re: Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?

Gene
 

Please look to see what message is quoted under my answer.  Usually, people leave the message they are responding to under theirs.  I wasn't asking what version you are using.  I was asking what version of Windows Live Mail the Dropbox link downloads that the person is offering.
 
Also, what I wrote was discussing two versions of Windows Live Mail. 
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?

outlook express for windows 7 and 8, sometimes it does not work with windows 10
or thunder bird with all windows
 
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?

Is this the ribbon or menu version?  If someone wants the older menu version, it is important that they not install the ribbon version.  You can't just uninstall it and then install the menu version later.  I believe you have to remove one or more entries from the registry first.  So unless you know what version you are downloading and which one you want, don't install a version without knowing.
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?

Hello everyone!
I would use Windows Live Mail when I was using Windows 7, so I can help you. Click here to download this installation package.
 
Cheers,
Florian



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Re: Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


outlook express for windows 7 and 8, sometimes it does not work with windows 10
or thunder bird with all windows
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?

Is this the ribbon or menu version?  If someone wants the older menu version, it is important that they not install the ribbon version.  You can't just uninstall it and then install the menu version later.  I believe you have to remove one or more entries from the registry first.  So unless you know what version you are downloading and which one you want, don't install a version without knowing.
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?

Hello everyone!
I would use Windows Live Mail when I was using Windows 7, so I can help you. Click here to download this installation package.
 
Cheers,
Florian



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Re: Anti Virus Program

Gene
 

Turn the machine off?  When?  When you go to a web site with hacked advertising and your machine has already been infected with no indication of it to the user?  Or if you absentmindedly do something you shouldn't do?  I'm not infallible.  Once, I wasn't thinking about what I was doing and I followed a link that came in a message that looked as though it came from someone I knew.  I just wasn't thinking at the moment.  Avast wouldn't let me connect with the web site.  What would have happened if I wasn't running an antivirus program?  Who knows?  I don't recall ever doing something like that before or since.  But I just wasn't thinking one time in a lot of years of computer use. 
 
You have to take actions to be infected in many cases, but there are cases, and their number is growing, where you don't.  You can greatly reduce the danger by using a JAVA script blocker or by turning scripts off except on sites where they are necessary.  But just saying turn the computer off only works in cases where malware wants you to click something like a yes or ok button or no button on a web page.  It doesn't matter what button you click.  Clicking any button will cause the malware to install.  So, in those cases, just shutting down the computer will stop you from being infected.  But if it were that easy not to become infected, these antimalware companies wouldn't exist. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program

Yes take the cheap route, just tirm he computer off and leave it off, very
safe and costs nothing.. grin
 I do feel we are losing our way. Most of the exploits are aimed at people
not exploits.
 Obviously they will need to patch holes, but expecting anti virus systems
to protect from everything is really impossible in my view. The more they
try to find everything the more they slow the computer down and trigger
false positives, and of course since everyone except Microsoft seem to have
designed their front ends inaccessibly, there is no hope for us.
 That is my reading of the current situation. I'll let you know when my
completely unprotected  amd chipped xp machines get clobbered. Probably not
for a long while unless I'm very unlucky.
 Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


> You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there just
> isn't anymore.
>
> Avast could have been a great program.
>
> Nod32 was accessible up to a point, it aint now, vipre maybe, panda
> antivirus maybe.
>
> Sophos.
>
> To be honest the fact so many lagit programs are being mistargeted,
> forcing users like me to have to basically leave vast parts of the os open
> to attack is a problem.
>
> Some users have gone so far to exclude their drives from scanning and that
> does in deed fix things.
>
> On my new system I am just going to have to exclude my backup drive from
> scanning because I just don't trust what windows defender will do.
>
> As for the rest, I will have to restructure my drive, and exclude all
> audio games, all portable apps, all apps, all user installed programs the
> only things I will leave with programs in it are windows and ms programs
> and my downloads folder and maybe make a folder for unprocessed files and
> exclude that.
>
> Basically to use my system securely I will have to exclude pritty much
> half my c drive in order to not run into problems.
>
> I may as well not use antivirus alltogether, but I have no choice, there
> are just to many false positives to handle.
>
>
>
>
> On 9/03/2018 3:14 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
>> tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to
>> control anything the program did after installation.
>>
>> Is there anything better I could try?
>>
>> Andrea
>>
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