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waterfox

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just downloaded waterfox and checked out the weather forcast for my area using the braille weather underground site and waterfox is amazingly fast! I think I'll really like using it.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: Double characters while using Firefox 58 with NVDA 2018.1 in Google Docs

 

but i wish that nvda developers fix this bug.

On 3/16/18, Governor staten <@Govsta> wrote:
This about describes the problem. It is easier to write in an editor
like notepad or Jarte and paste it into the browser, or email.



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On 3/16/2018 6:37 AM, zahra wrote:
the characters speak double for example: i want to navigate in the
word mercy letter by letter.
in the first, i press right arrow nvda says m, in the second press of
right arrow, nvda again says m instead of e!
even i want to navigate line by line, nvda repeates previous line when
i press down arrow!
see the link which i provided.
i did not see google docs, but i have this problem in any edit boxes of
firefox.
so, i write my text in notepad plus plus, copy and peist in the edit
boxes of firefox.

On 3/16/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I gave up on google docs. they keep on changing the thing. When you say
double do you mean in reality, or just spoken twice?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Governor staten" <@Govsta>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 6:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] Double characters while using Firefox 58 with NVDA 2018.1
in

Google Docs


The subject line is pretty descriptive of what is going on. We are
using
Google Docs to edit a document, and we see double characters while
trying

to edit things we type. I thought that this was conquered? We are using
NVDA 2018.1 with Firefox 58.





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Firefox seems slower?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I just got it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?

hear you are the link.

https://www.waterfoxproject.org/

On 3/16/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
You can do a google search for waterfox. I'm thinking of trying it myself.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Casey
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 8:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?

Hi what is the best site to get this waterfox from and does it act
just like firefox?

Like do you use the same command to open the address bar for entering
A web site address?




On 3/16/2018 4:59 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well it uses the old firefox interface, in june this year firefox
will shut down all its addons and other things so it can push
everyone to use the web extention restricted framework.

Waterfox aparently doesn't do this, it doesn't have all the tracking
and junk, of importance to users, it is not loaded with any mozilla
system addons just language packs.

Its based on mozilla code and will move to its own codebase.

Depending on its accessibility after june etc and the porting of
things depends what I do after that.




On 15/03/2018 5:30 p.m., Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Hi. Someone did bring up the value of migrating to the Waterfox web
browser sometime ago. Well, I took Waterfox for a spin and I am
converted. I'm not sure if Waterfox uses the mozilla engine, but it
seems to be faster and smoother and less cluttered than Firefox. I
tried it with both Jaws and NVDA, and NVDA came up tops. You can't
go far wrong if you at least give Waterfox a try. Google for it.
If you are willing to get off your comfort zone and work with
something different, you'll reap the nenifits immediately. Anyway,
there is not much of a difference in Waterfox's and Firefox's
interface, so the learning curve isn't steep. Cheers!


On 14/3/2018 8:12 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi folks.

Does anyone find that firefox is really slow?

I'm using nvda 2018.1.

As for firefox, I've tried all of the beta/ nightly channels, but
chrome, seems to run alot faster.

Is it just the computer, or just me.






.



--

Casey








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Dictation Bridge does not appear under Tools

Mel Thatcher
 

Windows 10.  NVDA 2018

I am trying to get Dictation Bridge working with Windows Speech Recognition following the instructions at https://github.com/dictationbridge/dictationbridge-docs/blob/master/dictationBridge.md.

I have installed the Dictation Bridge addon and the WSR Macro.  Manage Addons says that Dictation Bridge is running, but when I click on Tools there is no Dictation Bridge option for going the next step of copying dictationBridge.WSRMac.

What do I need to do to fix this problem?

Mel



 


Re: IRC, instructions on how to use, and NVDA accessibility

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi.

 

Yeah, it is strange; I always just moved past the registration message. Now it won’t let me do this. Never had it happen before. I feel a little bad for using the program for so long without registering, so I’ll probably just do it; it isn’t that expensive and I figure after 18 years of on-and-off use, they probably deserve it. Before that I used IRCII on a linux shell, and even earlier, a BBS IRC client. So yeah, it’s been around for a long time.

 

Good luck with it. It looks like undernet is still pretty activate, if you’re looking for networks to use.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: March 15, 2018 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IRC, instructions on how to use, and NVDA accessibility

 

Thanks for this message. I'll give it a look. Hopefully it won't force a purchase on me. Weird you'd see that after so many years.

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:59 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] IRC, instructions on how to use, and NVDA accessibility

 

Hi.

 

I used to use IRC a lot, and still do occasionally. As I’m a new-ish user of nVDA though, I haven’t yet tried it with this screen-reader. You can download the client MIRC for Windows. It works fairly well with JAWWS, and because I haven’t used any specific scripts for it or anything, I’m guessing it will work with NVDA as well. I have yet to try it, like I said; MIRC is finally for the first time demanding that I  register and buy the product (after eighteen + years of ignoring the message to register .. no kidding) I just haven’t gotten around to it yet.

 

The help system in MIRC is quite good. You can do all commands from the keyboard with the / prefix. Channels and private chat and file transfers all have their own  windows in the program, which you can access from the keyboard. In channels where there is a lot of traffic, you might have trouble keeping up as text scrolls on the screen really quickly. You can set things like audio alerts to announce events within the program. All in all, although I’m not the IRC user I once was (mostly because my favourite haunts largely went silent), it’s still my favourite method of internet chat, and of course you can use it for other things as well.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: March 15, 2018 12:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] IRC, instructions on how to use, and NVDA accessibility

 

I'm thinking about entering the world of IRC. I've heard it's fairly accessible for blind users. How accessible is it with NVDA, and how would I go about learning how to use, set up, etc? Thanks for any help.


Re: Remapping Keys

Gene
 

Why do you want to switch to Edge?  Only a small percent of Windows users use it.  I'm talking about sighted users.  I haven't read anything about Edge that sounds like a significant advantage and since so few sighted people use it, maybe they, too, see no need to switch.  I recall reading about one or two features I thought were nice but nothing that makes me care, particularly, whether I use it or not.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kenny
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Remapping Keys

I was feeling just like the OP at one time.


I just decided to leave JAWS alone completely, and focus all of my attention on using/learning NVDA 2018.1.


Following the manual on this page is getting me through pretty good:

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html


My main problem was the numpad. Been using JAWS for over 18 years and the numpad was all I used to read text and navigate the screen.

Now I have to keep in mind that the numpad keys in NVDA are for the Review cursor. The Review cursor and the system focus/system caret (Controlled by arrow keys, text review commands etc.)are two different cursors. The review cursor follows the system focus/caret cursor. That's what was throwing me off.

Also having the Review cursor numpad reading functions setup like so: 7, 8, 9 (Line) 4, 5, 6 (Word) and 1, 2, 3 (Character) was also throwing me off. JAWS has the numpad setup differently for reading/navigating text.

I've totally devoted my time to learning NVDA. Not only that, but learning how to use all of it's features the right way. I really never did that with JAWS. Was stuck in the JAWS v8 mode, and never took full advantage of the v9 - 2018 feature additions. Now is my chance to do just that with NVDA: A screenreader that's just as good.

Heck, it's already converted me to using Thunderbird over Eudora Pro. Close to switching from Google Chrome to MS Edge (A lot of the "Single letter navigation keys don't work in Edge. It's keeping me from making the switch for now.)

On 3/16/2018 10:51 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure but it's a very bad idea.  The keys are used in screen review and object navigation.  If you change them, you will lose very importan functionality.  Have you learned to use screen review as designed and object navigation as designed?  It really isn't difficult to learn the NVDA commands and some of them are actually more convenient.  Read current line, just numpad 8 by itself, is more pleasant and convenient than numpad insert numpad 8.  It's usually better to use a screen-reader as designed no matter which one it is.  If you change things that are reserved for the screen-reader without knowing in detail how the screen-reader interface is designed, you run the risk of losing significant functionality.  NVDA isn't JAWS.  Try using it as NVDA.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] Remapping Keys

Hi,

I use both Jaws and NVDA.

Is there a way to remap the numberpad keys to work like Jaws keys?

I would like the keys 2, 4, 6, and 8 to read line up and left, right and line down respectively, and the home, page up, end, and page down for the 1, 3, 7, and 9.

I would also prefer the zero key be used for changing these keys like Jaws does too.

If anyone has already done this, is there a way to import them to NVDA, maybe as an add-on?

Thanks.

 

Glenn Ervin  Orientation Counselor II

Norfolk Nebraska

402 370 3436

Cell: 402 992 0325

Welcome | NCBVI

 



Re: Double characters while using Firefox 58 with NVDA 2018.1 in Google Docs

 

This about describes the problem. It is easier to write in an editor like notepad or Jarte and paste it into the browser, or email.





On 3/16/2018 6:37 AM, zahra wrote:
the characters speak double for example: i want to navigate in the
word mercy letter by letter.
in the first, i press right arrow nvda says m, in the second press of
right arrow, nvda again says m instead of e!
even i want to navigate line by line, nvda repeates previous line when
i press down arrow!
see the link which i provided.
i did not see google docs, but i have this problem in any edit boxes of firefox.
so, i write my text in notepad plus plus, copy and peist in the edit
boxes of firefox.

On 3/16/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
I gave up on google docs. they keep on changing the thing. When you say
double do you mean in reality, or just spoken twice?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Governor staten" <govsta@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 6:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] Double characters while using Firefox 58 with NVDA 2018.1 in

Google Docs


The subject line is pretty descriptive of what is going on. We are using
Google Docs to edit a document, and we see double characters while trying

to edit things we type. I thought that this was conquered? We are using
NVDA 2018.1 with Firefox 58.










Re: Remapping Keys

Ervin, Glenn
 

Thanks.

The trouble is that I have to use both in my job.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Remapping Keys

 

I was feeling just like the OP at one time.

 

I just decided to leave JAWS alone completely, and focus all of my attention on using/learning NVDA 2018.1.

 

Following the manual on this page is getting me through pretty good:

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html


My main problem was the numpad. Been using JAWS for over 18 years and the numpad was all I used to read text and navigate the screen.

Now I have to keep in mind that the numpad keys in NVDA are for the Review cursor. The Review cursor and the system focus/system caret (Controlled by arrow keys, text review commands etc.)are two different cursors. The review cursor follows the system focus/caret cursor. That's what was throwing me off.

Also having the Review cursor numpad reading functions setup like so: 7, 8, 9 (Line) 4, 5, 6 (Word) and 1, 2, 3 (Character) was also throwing me off. JAWS has the numpad setup differently for reading/navigating text.

I've totally devoted my time to learning NVDA. Not only that, but learning how to use all of it's features the right way. I really never did that with JAWS. Was stuck in the JAWS v8 mode, and never took full advantage of the v9 - 2018 feature additions. Now is my chance to do just that with NVDA: A screenreader that's just as good.


Heck, it's already converted me to using Thunderbird over Eudora Pro. Close to switching from Google Chrome to MS Edge (A lot of the "Single letter navigation keys don't work in Edge. It's keeping me from making the switch for now.)

On 3/16/2018 10:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I'm not sure but it's a very bad idea.  The keys are used in screen review and object navigation.  If you change them, you will lose very importan functionality.  Have you learned to use screen review as designed and object navigation as designed?  It really isn't difficult to learn the NVDA commands and some of them are actually more convenient.  Read current line, just numpad 8 by itself, is more pleasant and convenient than numpad insert numpad 8.  It's usually better to use a screen-reader as designed no matter which one it is.  If you change things that are reserved for the screen-reader without knowing in detail how the screen-reader interface is designed, you run the risk of losing significant functionality.  NVDA isn't JAWS.  Try using it as NVDA.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:30 AM

Subject: [nvda] Remapping Keys

 

Hi,

I use both Jaws and NVDA.

Is there a way to remap the numberpad keys to work like Jaws keys?

I would like the keys 2, 4, 6, and 8 to read line up and left, right and line down respectively, and the home, page up, end, and page down for the 1, 3, 7, and 9.

I would also prefer the zero key be used for changing these keys like Jaws does too.

If anyone has already done this, is there a way to import them to NVDA, maybe as an add-on?

Thanks.

 

Glenn Ervin  Orientation Counselor II

Norfolk Nebraska

402 370 3436

Cell: 402 992 0325

Welcome | NCBVI

 

 


Re: Phasing out of 7

brian
 

    What we should not have to get use to or except is the increasing lack of full accessability.  Just telling somone to just grow up and not offering them any help or any real sulutions is just plain rude and is very uncalled for.  No matter how independent or well adjusted you are there will come a time when you will not have someaccessability and you will feel quite helpless and both blind and sighted people will tell you just grow up and except change.  How will you feel if one day yoou wake up only to find that you have no more accessability because you did not advocate for it.  If we want to be first members of our society like nfb says then we do need to have full accessability  it's true that we do live in a sighted world but they do need to have more accessability because not everything can always be adapted for us there is a point when work arrounds just don't work or they are not very efficient.  We should not just except what ever crums of token accessability the sighted chose to give us  we do want to live in the real world and to be as independent as we can be but it's getting harder to do this.  What will happen in 5 or 10 years from now will we be like the blind were back in the 1800's having almost independence or real accessability what goes arrounds comes arround.  I hope that when this does happen I hope that you are happy because you will get what you deserve.  maybe you like always being left behind and if you don't advocate for accessability you won't have just saying that everything is fine I AM  not having any problems that is a lie and you need to get your head out of the sand.  This is not the future I want but it is the future we will all have all because the blind community will just not advocate for accessability if they do it's only a very small of them and they don't keep the preasure on they just go away when they get told no.  I have been blind since birth and our future does not look very good when it comes to full accessability.  Both acb and nfb are totally usless in this area they are doing nothing about it.  Why do other people with other disabilties have more accessability because they advocate for it and they did not give up.  Think of the deaf community and the wheelchair comminity they have so much more accessability then the blind have.  I do admire them for this and it should be a lesson for us.  We have changes forced up us on not for the better and we are just soposted to just accept it and shut up well not me and who is with me?  either you want to be a member of the society that is sighted or you don't

Brian Sackrider


On 2/16/2018 12:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Michael,

 

You're darn right that no employer would put up with whining and complaining from any employee whether blind or sighted. They'd be fired right on the spot! I don't know why some people are afraid of change. As I always say, it's time to get a life. Like the old saying goes, shape up or ship out.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hey there.

i do agree with a few things here.

we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or not.

if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think whining and complaining would get you anywhere?

no, it would get you fired.

we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.

 

 

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>> inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>> +92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>




 



Re: Remapping Keys

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

I was feeling just like the OP at one time.


I just decided to leave JAWS alone completely, and focus all of my attention on using/learning NVDA 2018.1.


Following the manual on this page is getting me through pretty good:

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html


My main problem was the numpad. Been using JAWS for over 18 years and the numpad was all I used to read text and navigate the screen.

Now I have to keep in mind that the numpad keys in NVDA are for the Review cursor. The Review cursor and the system focus/system caret (Controlled by arrow keys, text review commands etc.)are two different cursors. The review cursor follows the system focus/caret cursor. That's what was throwing me off.

Also having the Review cursor numpad reading functions setup like so: 7, 8, 9 (Line) 4, 5, 6 (Word) and 1, 2, 3 (Character) was also throwing me off. JAWS has the numpad setup differently for reading/navigating text.

I've totally devoted my time to learning NVDA. Not only that, but learning how to use all of it's features the right way. I really never did that with JAWS. Was stuck in the JAWS v8 mode, and never took full advantage of the v9 - 2018 feature additions. Now is my chance to do just that with NVDA: A screenreader that's just as good.

Heck, it's already converted me to using Thunderbird over Eudora Pro. Close to switching from Google Chrome to MS Edge (A lot of the "Single letter navigation keys don't work in Edge. It's keeping me from making the switch for now.)

On 3/16/2018 10:51 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure but it's a very bad idea.  The keys are used in screen review and object navigation.  If you change them, you will lose very importan functionality.  Have you learned to use screen review as designed and object navigation as designed?  It really isn't difficult to learn the NVDA commands and some of them are actually more convenient.  Read current line, just numpad 8 by itself, is more pleasant and convenient than numpad insert numpad 8.  It's usually better to use a screen-reader as designed no matter which one it is.  If you change things that are reserved for the screen-reader without knowing in detail how the screen-reader interface is designed, you run the risk of losing significant functionality.  NVDA isn't JAWS.  Try using it as NVDA.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] Remapping Keys

Hi,

I use both Jaws and NVDA.

Is there a way to remap the numberpad keys to work like Jaws keys?

I would like the keys 2, 4, 6, and 8 to read line up and left, right and line down respectively, and the home, page up, end, and page down for the 1, 3, 7, and 9.

I would also prefer the zero key be used for changing these keys like Jaws does too.

If anyone has already done this, is there a way to import them to NVDA, maybe as an add-on?

Thanks.

 

Glenn Ervin  Orientation Counselor II

Norfolk Nebraska

402 370 3436

Cell: 402 992 0325

Welcome | NCBVI

 



IMPORTANT (community help needed): tracking down add-ons not compatible with wxPython 4

 

Dear NVDA community,

 

A few days ago, I sent out a community wide advisory regarding wxPython 4 and NVDA. For people who’ve received it, this is a follow-up to that advisory. For those reading it the first time, please pay attention, as it involves not only users, but also developers and other members of the community.

 

I have become aware of more add-ons not compatible with wxPython 4. Specifically, the following add-ons were reported as having issues on NVDA next snapshots powered by wxPython 4:

 

  • RSS Feeds
  • Braille Extender
  • Possibly others.

 

If you are using recent NVDA next snapshots (powered by wxPython 4) and find that one or more add-ons you’ve got are not working or causes issues, please let the community know IMMEDIATELY. Depending on what happens after that, the community may flag the add-on as “incompatible” until the add-on is updated.

 

Also, depending on who you are, please follow one or more of the following directives:

 

  • Users: please report incompatible add-ons ASAP so the community can record compatible and incompatible add-ons. In order to do so, you need to be running NVDA next snapshots (portable version will work). If the add-on developer does not respond to your requests to update add-ons, please bring it to the community’s attention so we can take it from there (sending a letter to the add-on writer, flagging the add-on as incompatible and what not).
  • Add-on writers: if you get a report of your add-on not working with wxPython 4, please edit your code and/or release an update as soon as possible and no later than release of the next NVDA version following the release of a stable release powered by wxPython 4 (e.g. if 2018.2 is powered by wxPython 4, please release a compatible version no later than September 1, 2018 or when NVDA 2018.3 is released, whichever happens earlier). This is so that we can guarantee our add-ons are working for users without disruptions.
  • Core developers: please keep an eye on wxPython 4 issues.
  • Translators and local ambassadors: please pass this onto your language communities, as community-specific add-ons (including for specific languages) are bound by the same timeline as above (no exceptions).
  • Others in the community: please help out in any way you can.

 

I’m sending this advisory for two reasons: NVDA add-ons are community-driven, so a community effort is needed to bring them up to date; we’ll go through this again (but on a more massive scale) once we transition to Python 3.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Firefox seems slower?

 

hear you are the link.

https://www.waterfoxproject.org/

On 3/16/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
You can do a google search for waterfox. I'm thinking of trying it myself.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 8:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?

Hi what is the best site to get this waterfox from and does it act just like
firefox?

Like do you use the same command to open the address bar for entering A web
site address?




On 3/16/2018 4:59 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well it uses the old firefox interface, in june this year firefox will
shut down all its addons and other things so it can push everyone to
use the web extention restricted framework.

Waterfox aparently doesn't do this, it doesn't have all the tracking
and junk, of importance to users, it is not loaded with any mozilla
system addons just language packs.

Its based on mozilla code and will move to its own codebase.

Depending on its accessibility after june etc and the porting of
things depends what I do after that.




On 15/03/2018 5:30 p.m., Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Hi. Someone did bring up the value of migrating to the Waterfox web
browser sometime ago. Well, I took Waterfox for a spin and I am
converted. I'm not sure if Waterfox uses the mozilla engine, but it
seems to be faster and smoother and less cluttered than Firefox. I
tried it with both Jaws and NVDA, and NVDA came up tops. You can't
go far wrong if you at least give Waterfox a try. Google for it. If
you are willing to get off your comfort zone and work with something
different, you'll reap the nenifits immediately. Anyway, there is
not much of a difference in Waterfox's and Firefox's interface, so
the learning curve isn't steep. Cheers!


On 14/3/2018 8:12 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi folks.

Does anyone find that firefox is really slow?

I'm using nvda 2018.1.

As for firefox, I've tried all of the beta/ nightly channels, but
chrome, seems to run alot faster.

Is it just the computer, or just me.






.



--

Casey







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Tips for Using Thunderbird v52.6 with NVDA 2018.1?

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Got it. Works perfectly in Browse mode. The add-on synopsis on the page made it seem like you had to use the Review cursor to initialize the copy text to append to clipboard.

Add-on does just what I want. Thanks.


On 3/16/2018 9:47 AM, mk360 wrote:

You can select text with shift arrows in browse mode and copy with control NVDA c.


El 16-03-2018 a las 10:27, Kenny escribió:

Can this CCD add-on be configure to copy/append text to the clipboard from Browse mode? Using the review cursor is taking some getting use too. Highlighting information on web pages in browse mode is much easier for me.


On 3/15/2018 10:48 PM, mk360 wrote:
Try the "Clip Contents Designer" add-on.


El 15/03/2018 a las 23:38, John Isige escribió:
I don't think NVDA can do it, but you might consider a third party clipboard manager, I'm pretty sure they can. Warning! I haven't tried any of these so I have no idea if they're accessible, or even run under Windows 10, 64-bit or otherwise. I don't think they should break anything, but try them at your own risk.


https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-tips-manage-windows-clipboard-like-pro/


On 3/15/2018 20:03, Kenny wrote:


Thanks for the heads up. I did get the Systray add-on. Still trying to get use to using the Winkey+b shortcut.


I'm really looking for a way to copy and append info onto the clipboard.


JAWS offered the [Insert+Ctrl+c] function to do this. Does NVDA offer this functionality? I tend to do this alot when creating my own cheat sheet for learning new programs (Like with NVDA.)


On 3/15/2018 4:57 PM, John Isige wrote:
Sure. You'll want Windows App Essentials definitely I think. There are some things that simulate functions of JFW, if you're used to that, e.g. the systray or system tray, forget what it's called, gives you NVDA-f11 which brings up a list like JFW. You don't need it, you can get to the system tray with Winkey-b I think, but I used it when I was starting out because I was so used to it in JFW, and just kept on using it.


There's also a place markers addon and a ... I don't remember what it's called, but it puts things in a window you can copy out of. Looks like it's called "virtual Revision". Basically I'd say have a look around the community addons site. They all have descriptions so you can see if they make sense, or just try a couple at a time and see what you like. For example, I installed "day of the week" once because I actually needed that functionality, but I found I only needed it that one time, so I got rid of it.


There are a few addons that are useful for specific things that aren't on the community addons site for some reason, the two I know offhand have to do with games. But the community addons are a good place to start because they're vetted by the community so you know there's nothing bad in them. I think that happened once, there was some addon, I forget what it did, supposedly gave you access to a bunch of synthesizers illegally maybe, but it turned out to be some sort of virus or such.


On 3/15/2018 15:47, Kenny wrote:

This add-on is fantastic! Makes navigating Thunderbird much quicker.


I don't have any NVDA add-ons installed other then this one.


Are there any other ones you can recommend that brings such functionality to NVDA?


I'm using the latest build of Windows 10 (64 bit.) NVDA 2018.1 is the build I'm using.


Thanks again for recommending this add-on.


On 3/15/2018 4:17 PM, John Isige wrote:
Here you go.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html


Either save it somewhere and then go and open it, or open it right from your browser, tell it to use NVDA to open it if it asks for a program. Tell NVDA you want to install it, restart NVDA when it asks you if you want to restart, done.


On 3/15/2018 14:49, Kenny wrote:

Do you know the name of this add-on? I should be able to track it down hopefully.

Never installed an add-on for an email client before, hope it's not difficult to do.


On 3/15/2018 3:42 PM, John Isige wrote:
I just hit enter on a message if I want to read it, but if you go to the community addons site, tools/manage addons and then hit the "get more addons" button, there's an addon for Mozilla stuff that does what you want, I think. I've never tried it because I don't use the preview pane at all, but I'm pretty sure it has something that reads it, a keystroke or whatever.


I can't think of any tips or keystrokes, it's pretty accessible out of the box so whatever it has for defaults should be fine. But I us it all the time and have for years, so if you've got any specific questions, I might be able to help with those.


On 3/15/2018 14:32, Kenny wrote:

I've finally decided to give up my Eudora Pro v7.1 email client for Thunderbird. I'm pleasantly surprised how accessible it is using NVDA 2018.1.


I'm now wanting to become more efficient in reading/navigating messages.


In JAWS, I simply created a frame for the Eudora Pro view message window that was automatically read each time I highlighted a new message subject using the up and down arrow keys.


If I wanted to read the entire message body, I just hit [Enter] on the subject. Very quick and efficient.


The message preview pain for Thunderbird doesn't seem to be readable though using the NVDA review cursor.


Is there any way to configure Thunderbird v52.6 in a way where I could quickly read the message body preview and jump to the next message in the conversation quickly?


I'm very new to both NVDA and Thunderbird, so any configuration tips, keyboard shortcuts etc suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks.
































NVDA with Wordpress

Rich De Steno <ironrock@...>
 

I have been trying to create a web page using NVDA with Wordpress, but I find it nearly impossible to do so.  Wordpress has an overwhelming amount of verbiage, menus, and sections,  and it is often even to determine how to invoke various choices.  In any event, before I give up on Wordpress, does anyone have any suggestions on how to make this more manageable?

--
Rich De Steno


Re: Firefox seems slower?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

You can do a google search for waterfox. I'm thinking of trying it myself.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 8:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?

Hi what is the best site to get this waterfox from and does it act just like firefox?

Like do you use the same command to open the address bar for entering A web site address?




On 3/16/2018 4:59 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well it uses the old firefox interface, in june this year firefox will
shut down all its addons and other things so it can push everyone to
use the web extention restricted framework.

Waterfox aparently doesn't do this, it doesn't have all the tracking
and junk, of importance to users, it is not loaded with any mozilla
system addons just language packs.

Its based on mozilla code and will move to its own codebase.

Depending on its accessibility after june etc and the porting of
things depends what I do after that.




On 15/03/2018 5:30 p.m., Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Hi. Someone did bring up the value of migrating to the Waterfox web
browser sometime ago. Well, I took Waterfox for a spin and I am
converted. I'm not sure if Waterfox uses the mozilla engine, but it
seems to be faster and smoother and less cluttered than Firefox. I
tried it with both Jaws and NVDA, and NVDA came up tops. You can't
go far wrong if you at least give Waterfox a try. Google for it. If
you are willing to get off your comfort zone and work with something
different, you'll reap the nenifits immediately. Anyway, there is
not much of a difference in Waterfox's and Firefox's interface, so
the learning curve isn't steep. Cheers!


On 14/3/2018 8:12 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi folks.

Does anyone find that firefox is really slow?

I'm using nvda 2018.1.

As for firefox, I've tried all of the beta/ nightly channels, but
chrome, seems to run alot faster.

Is it just the computer, or just me.






.



--

Casey


Re: Firefox seems slower?

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi what is the best site to get this waterfox from and does it act just like firefox?

Like do you use the same command to open the address bar for entering A web site address?

On 3/16/2018 4:59 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well it uses the old firefox interface, in june this year firefox will shut down all its addons and other things so it can push everyone to use the web extention restricted framework.

Waterfox aparently doesn't do this, it doesn't have all the tracking and junk, of importance to users, it is not loaded with any mozilla system addons just language packs.

Its based on mozilla code and will move to its own codebase.

Depending on its accessibility after june etc and the porting of things depends what I do after that.




On 15/03/2018 5:30 p.m., Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Hi. Someone did bring up the value of migrating to the Waterfox web browser sometime ago.  Well, I took Waterfox for a spin and I am converted.  I'm not sure if Waterfox uses the mozilla engine, but it seems to be faster and smoother and less cluttered than Firefox.  I tried it with both Jaws and NVDA, and NVDA came up tops.  You can't go far wrong if you at least give Waterfox a try.  Google for it.  If you are willing to get off your comfort zone and work with something different, you'll reap the nenifits immediately.  Anyway, there is not much of a difference in Waterfox's and Firefox's interface, so the learning curve isn't steep.  Cheers!


On 14/3/2018 8:12 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi folks.

Does anyone find that firefox is really slow?

I'm using nvda 2018.1.

As for firefox, I've tried all of the beta/ nightly channels, but chrome, seems to run alot faster.

Is it just the computer, or just me.






.


--

Casey


Re: Remapping Keys

Gene
 

I'm not sure but it's a very bad idea.  The keys are used in screen review and object navigation.  If you change them, you will lose very importan functionality.  Have you learned to use screen review as designed and object navigation as designed?  It really isn't difficult to learn the NVDA commands and some of them are actually more convenient.  Read current line, just numpad 8 by itself, is more pleasant and convenient than numpad insert numpad 8.  It's usually better to use a screen-reader as designed no matter which one it is.  If you change things that are reserved for the screen-reader without knowing in detail how the screen-reader interface is designed, you run the risk of losing significant functionality.  NVDA isn't JAWS.  Try using it as NVDA.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] Remapping Keys

Hi,

I use both Jaws and NVDA.

Is there a way to remap the numberpad keys to work like Jaws keys?

I would like the keys 2, 4, 6, and 8 to read line up and left, right and line down respectively, and the home, page up, end, and page down for the 1, 3, 7, and 9.

I would also prefer the zero key be used for changing these keys like Jaws does too.

If anyone has already done this, is there a way to import them to NVDA, maybe as an add-on?

Thanks.

 

Glenn Ervin  Orientation Counselor II

Norfolk Nebraska

402 370 3436

Cell: 402 992 0325

Welcome | NCBVI

 


Remapping Keys

Ervin, Glenn
 

Hi,

I use both Jaws and NVDA.

Is there a way to remap the numberpad keys to work like Jaws keys?

I would like the keys 2, 4, 6, and 8 to read line up and left, right and line down respectively, and the home, page up, end, and page down for the 1, 3, 7, and 9.

I would also prefer the zero key be used for changing these keys like Jaws does too.

If anyone has already done this, is there a way to import them to NVDA, maybe as an add-on?

Thanks.

 

Glenn Ervin  Orientation Counselor II

Norfolk Nebraska

402 370 3436

Cell: 402 992 0325

Welcome | NCBVI

 


Re: Other tool for solving the Verification Image

Ervin, Glenn
 

For those of us who only speak English, we have trouble with them too.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mk360
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 7:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Other tool for solving the Verification Image

Oh, thats true. I'm not a native english speaker, I can read in english and can understand some things when someone speaks to me, but, understand an distorted voice speaking numbers or leters in english? for me is too dificult. the voice says "8" and I think "ok, he say 8 or h..." and it is a new challenge normally... I can use these, but with too many dificult, and I think is imposible for people that doesn't understand english.


Regards,

mk.


El 16-03-2018 a las 4:37, Arno Schuh escribió:
Even if available - and it isn't on every site - it is often
impossible to recognize that is said. Lucky if you get some digits.
But often it sounds like clips from an old film, patially with half
words etc. Fortunately my ears are still pretty good, and I understand
some (American) English, but the words I should recognize to enter it
in the box are absolutely unknown. So I need several new audio
captchas until it works. That's not a really good alternative. And for
people in my country, that didn't understand English at all and/or are
handycaped be bad ears, too ...

Yours sincerely

Arno

Am Freitag, 16. März 2018 08:23 schrieb Andy <wq6r@...>:

They generally offer an audio challenge as an alternative.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arno Schuh" <@menschomat>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Other tool for solving the Verification Image


Hi,

since some month there are more and more another kind of captchas
around, that can't be resolved by WebVisum. I also thought to ask a
volunteer at BeMyEyes but I have no idea how to reach the buttons.
These captchas i. e. ask for something like "Click on any pictures
that shows an yellow flower/a car/a man" etc. Sometimes for my
sighted brother it is even not easy to decide where to click on.
Did anybody came across such captchas and was able to solve it? Even
with help from BeMyEyes?

Yours sincerely

Arno

Am Mittwoch, 14. März 2018 23:20 schrieb Giles Turnbull
<giles.turnbull@...>:

The only Captcha tool I ever used was included with an early
Twitter client for the blind, called Qwitter. Sadly that vanished
and there was no equivalent when Qwitter evolved into The Qube. But
what I do use now is the iPhone and Android app Be My Eyes. It
calls a human volunteer who uses the rear camera on the phone to
tell you whatever you want ... such as the colour of a tshirt or
what a Captcha image says. I've used Be My Eyes twice today to
assist when Windows was doing an update and I didn't hear anything
further (I realise that I'd somehow turned the NVDA setting to
start automatically when logged in to Windows off). Obviously
common sense applies - not having any files open with login details
to any accounts visible, but you'd get an answer to your random
letters test within the minute! ... And BME is free to install and
use :)








Re: Tips for Using Thunderbird v52.6 with NVDA 2018.1?

mk360
 

You can select text with shift arrows in browse mode and copy with control NVDA c.


El 16-03-2018 a las 10:27, Kenny escribió:

Can this CCD add-on be configure to copy/append text to the clipboard from Browse mode? Using the review cursor is taking some getting use too. Highlighting information on web pages in browse mode is much easier for me.


On 3/15/2018 10:48 PM, mk360 wrote:
Try the "Clip Contents Designer" add-on.


El 15/03/2018 a las 23:38, John Isige escribió:
I don't think NVDA can do it, but you might consider a third party clipboard manager, I'm pretty sure they can. Warning! I haven't tried any of these so I have no idea if they're accessible, or even run under Windows 10, 64-bit or otherwise. I don't think they should break anything, but try them at your own risk.


https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-tips-manage-windows-clipboard-like-pro/


On 3/15/2018 20:03, Kenny wrote:


Thanks for the heads up. I did get the Systray add-on. Still trying to get use to using the Winkey+b shortcut.


I'm really looking for a way to copy and append info onto the clipboard.


JAWS offered the [Insert+Ctrl+c] function to do this. Does NVDA offer this functionality? I tend to do this alot when creating my own cheat sheet for learning new programs (Like with NVDA.)


On 3/15/2018 4:57 PM, John Isige wrote:
Sure. You'll want Windows App Essentials definitely I think. There are some things that simulate functions of JFW, if you're used to that, e.g. the systray or system tray, forget what it's called, gives you NVDA-f11 which brings up a list like JFW. You don't need it, you can get to the system tray with Winkey-b I think, but I used it when I was starting out because I was so used to it in JFW, and just kept on using it.


There's also a place markers addon and a ... I don't remember what it's called, but it puts things in a window you can copy out of. Looks like it's called "virtual Revision". Basically I'd say have a look around the community addons site. They all have descriptions so you can see if they make sense, or just try a couple at a time and see what you like. For example, I installed "day of the week" once because I actually needed that functionality, but I found I only needed it that one time, so I got rid of it.


There are a few addons that are useful for specific things that aren't on the community addons site for some reason, the two I know offhand have to do with games. But the community addons are a good place to start because they're vetted by the community so you know there's nothing bad in them. I think that happened once, there was some addon, I forget what it did, supposedly gave you access to a bunch of synthesizers illegally maybe, but it turned out to be some sort of virus or such.


On 3/15/2018 15:47, Kenny wrote:

This add-on is fantastic! Makes navigating Thunderbird much quicker.


I don't have any NVDA add-ons installed other then this one.


Are there any other ones you can recommend that brings such functionality to NVDA?


I'm using the latest build of Windows 10 (64 bit.) NVDA 2018.1 is the build I'm using.


Thanks again for recommending this add-on.


On 3/15/2018 4:17 PM, John Isige wrote:
Here you go.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html


Either save it somewhere and then go and open it, or open it right from your browser, tell it to use NVDA to open it if it asks for a program. Tell NVDA you want to install it, restart NVDA when it asks you if you want to restart, done.


On 3/15/2018 14:49, Kenny wrote:

Do you know the name of this add-on? I should be able to track it down hopefully.

Never installed an add-on for an email client before, hope it's not difficult to do.


On 3/15/2018 3:42 PM, John Isige wrote:
I just hit enter on a message if I want to read it, but if you go to the community addons site, tools/manage addons and then hit the "get more addons" button, there's an addon for Mozilla stuff that does what you want, I think. I've never tried it because I don't use the preview pane at all, but I'm pretty sure it has something that reads it, a keystroke or whatever.


I can't think of any tips or keystrokes, it's pretty accessible out of the box so whatever it has for defaults should be fine. But I us it all the time and have for years, so if you've got any specific questions, I might be able to help with those.


On 3/15/2018 14:32, Kenny wrote:

I've finally decided to give up my Eudora Pro v7.1 email client for Thunderbird. I'm pleasantly surprised how accessible it is using NVDA 2018.1.


I'm now wanting to become more efficient in reading/navigating messages.


In JAWS, I simply created a frame for the Eudora Pro view message window that was automatically read each time I highlighted a new message subject using the up and down arrow keys.


If I wanted to read the entire message body, I just hit [Enter] on the subject. Very quick and efficient.


The message preview pain for Thunderbird doesn't seem to be readable though using the NVDA review cursor.


Is there any way to configure Thunderbird v52.6 in a way where I could quickly read the message body preview and jump to the next message in the conversation quickly?


I'm very new to both NVDA and Thunderbird, so any configuration tips, keyboard shortcuts etc suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks.