Hi,
Which version of Enhanced Touch Gestures add-on are you using? There should be an update on add-ons website that fixes this problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA log error

This is the last few lines of the NVDA log file after starting NVDA
2018-1 on my Win 10 64 bit laptop.
ERROR - baseObject.ScriptableObject.bindGestures (17:10:52.335):
Error binding script touch_hoverUp in
<globalPlugins.enhancedTouchGestures.GlobalPlugin object at 0x06E951D0> INFO - core.main (17:10:52.338):
NVDA initialized

Hello everyone,


Does anyone know if these two IDEs are accessible with NVDA? I've heard on another mailing list that they are somewhat accessible, but when I tried to run IntelliJ Idea,, it brings me to "Welcome to IntelliJ Idea", and this window appears to be empty, NVDA doesn't see any control elements or menus. If someone figured out a way to make either of them accessible, please let me know.


I'm using Windows 10 and NVDA 2018.1. I enabled java access bridge both in control panel and IntelliJ Idea's JRE from the command line with not much luck.


Thanks

Tony

Hi,
Which version of Enhanced Touch Gestures add-on are you using? There should be an update on add-ons website that fixes this problem.
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA log error
This is the last few lines of the NVDA log file after starting NVDA
2018-1 on my Win 10 64 bit laptop.
ERROR - baseObject.ScriptableObject.bindGestures (17:10:52.335):
Error binding script touch_hoverUp in
<globalPlugins.enhancedTouchGestures.GlobalPlugin object at 0x06E951D0> INFO - core.main (17:10:52.338):
NVDA initialized

www.waterfoxproject.org/



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hermann-Josef Kurzen
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] waterfox

Hi!

Where can I get Waterfox?


Greetings - Hermann



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Gesendet: Freitag, 16. März 2018 um 19:51 Uhr
Von: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] waterfox

Yes I have been using it as my default browser ever since Firefox
started being difficult I particularly like the inbuilt reader function which strips links and ads out - control alt and r.
There are only a couple of issues.
For me in some edit boxes I get a very verbose feedback with the whole string being announced every time I type a character. This tends to be some google edit boxes but not all of them for some reason.
The other main issue is that for some reason some sites like Amazon insists on occasionally interpreting Waterfox as a mobile device. This restricts access to buying Kindle books and sometimes one click ordering. Again this is not consistent. In these circumstances I simply copy the url from Waterfox to chrome to complete the transaction if I am having difficulties in Waterfox.
David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 16 March 2018 18:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] waterfox

Hi, everyone,

I just downloaded waterfox and checked out the weather forcast for my area using the braille weather underground site and waterfox is amazingly fast! I think I'll really like using it.

Rosemarie

Gesendet: Freitag, 16. März 2018 um 19:51 Uhr
Von: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] waterfox

Yes I have been using it as my default browser ever since Firefox
started being difficult I particularly like the inbuilt reader function which strips links and ads out - control alt and r.
There are only a couple of issues.
For me in some edit boxes I get a very verbose feedback with the whole string being announced every time I type a character. This tends to be some google edit boxes but not all of them for some reason.
The other main issue is that for some reason some sites like Amazon insists on occasionally interpreting Waterfox as a mobile device. This restricts access to buying Kindle books and sometimes one click ordering. Again this is not consistent. In these circumstances I simply copy the url from Waterfox to chrome to complete the transaction if I am having difficulties in Waterfox.
David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 16 March 2018 18:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] waterfox

Hi, everyone,

I just downloaded waterfox and checked out the weather forcast for my area using the braille weather underground site and waterfox is amazingly fast! I think I'll really like using it.

Rosemarie

Does this reregister everything in the DL system folder or just NVDA?  I seem to remember trying to do this and I had to guess as I was doing it with NVDA and it was saying unknown, so I had to guess and arrow down  to find what I was looking for.   as I recall, it didn't change anything, but I'll try it again since this is  the latest version.  As I write this, I'm not using NVDA  as it doesn't recognize what I'm writing in an email  I don't use Mozilla Thunderbird, but NVDA doesn't recognize any email client I use and  says unknown to everything.

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 4:13 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Must be frustrating

Hi

Are you getting any of the problems as mentioned in this email below?

If it is what another person had on the list his got fixed tonight.

Not saying what problems you are having and where etc people can not help much.

Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:
•
In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.
•
In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys
•
When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour
•
Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it
•
Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows
•
The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.

On 3/16/2018 3:14 PM, Debra Gardner wrote:

Well, I am at a loss as far as NVDA is concerned.  I have the latest update for both Windows 10 and NVDA  and it still doesn't see taskbar, start menu, context menus, and web pages.  I was afraid it was just me, but I installed it on a friend's computer that had just had Windows 10 re-installed and although it recognizes the taskbar and start menu, it does _not recognize web pages and just goes silent.  The frustrating part for the developers I would think is that this problem isn't something that is across the board on everyone's windows 10 computer.  Some people seem to be doing quite nicely from what I'm seeing on this list.  I'm just fortunate not to have to depend on NVDA, but my friend does  and I will have to find a work-around  for when she wants to go on the web.. 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 4:13 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Must be frustrating

Hi

Are you getting any of the problems as mentioned in this email below?

If it is what another person had on the list his got fixed tonight.

Not saying what problems you are having and where etc people can not help much.

Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:
•
In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.
•
In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys
•
When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour
•
Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it
•
Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows
•
The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.

On 3/16/2018 3:14 PM, Debra Gardner wrote:

Well, I am at a loss as far as NVDA is concerned.  I have the latest update for both Windows 10 and NVDA  and it still doesn't see taskbar, start menu, context menus, and web pages.  I was afraid it was just me, but I installed it on a friend's computer that had just had Windows 10 re-installed and although it recognizes the taskbar and start menu, it does _not recognize web pages and just goes silent.  The frustrating part for the developers I would think is that this problem isn't something that is across the board on everyone's windows 10 computer.  Some people seem to be doing quite nicely from what I'm seeing on this list.  I'm just fortunate not to have to depend on NVDA, but my friend does  and I will have to find a work-around  for when she wants to go on the web.. 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

I have created a 35 page Word document that has notes I’ve taken while reading the NVDA books (Basic, Word, and Excel). It’s basically my quick reference cheat sheet for NVDA commands. I know and frequently use many of the commands. I want to mark up my document so that I can focus on learning the commands that I don’t know. What’s the best way to do this (relying on screen reader, not magnification). Bookmarks would be an option but I don’t really want to label each bookmark. Are there other ways so that I can quickly do something like a single key navigation through only the items I want to review?

Thanks

I'm not really in love with Google's Bookmark Manager. Managing Favorites in Internet Explorer was great. In Chrome, it's a nightmare. I'm hoping the MS Edge browser will make managing bookmarks/favorites a dream again.

I'm also taking advantage of Microsoft's reward program. It will make it much easier for me to build up points if I'm using the Edge browser. Seems to work better on the Microsoft and Bing sites too.

Why do you want to switch to Edge?  Only a small percent of Windows users use it.  I'm talking about sighted users.  I haven't read anything about Edge that sounds like a significant advantage and since so few sighted people use it, maybe they, too, see no need to switch.  I recall reading about one or two features I thought were nice but nothing that makes me care, particularly, whether I use it or not.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:31 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Remapping Keys

I was feeling just like the OP at one time.

I just decided to leave JAWS alone completely, and focus all of my attention on using/learning NVDA 2018.1.

Following the manual on this page is getting me through pretty good:

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html

My main problem was the numpad. Been using JAWS for over 18 years and the numpad was all I used to read text and navigate the screen.

Now I have to keep in mind that the numpad keys in NVDA are for the Review cursor. The Review cursor and the system focus/system caret (Controlled by arrow keys, text review commands etc.)are two different cursors. The review cursor follows the system focus/caret cursor. That's what was throwing me off.

Also having the Review cursor numpad reading functions setup like so: 7, 8, 9 (Line) 4, 5, 6 (Word) and 1, 2, 3 (Character) was also throwing me off. JAWS has the numpad setup differently for reading/navigating text.

I've totally devoted my time to learning NVDA. Not only that, but learning how to use all of it's features the right way. I really never did that with JAWS. Was stuck in the JAWS v8 mode, and never took full advantage of the v9 - 2018 feature additions. Now is my chance to do just that with NVDA: A screenreader that's just as good.

Heck, it's already converted me to using Thunderbird over Eudora Pro. Close to switching from Google Chrome to MS Edge (A lot of the "Single letter navigation keys don't work in Edge. It's keeping me from making the switch for now.)

On 3/16/2018 10:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I'm not sure but it's a very bad idea.  The keys are used in screen review and object navigation.  If you change them, you will lose very importan functionality.  Have you learned to use screen review as designed and object navigation as designed?  It really isn't difficult to learn the NVDA commands and some of them are actually more convenient.  Read current line, just numpad 8 by itself, is more pleasant and convenient than numpad insert numpad 8.  It's usually better to use a screen-reader as designed no matter which one it is.  If you change things that are reserved for the screen-reader without knowing in detail how the screen-reader interface is designed, you run the risk of losing significant functionality.  NVDA isn't JAWS.  Try using it as NVDA.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:30 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Remapping Keys

Hi,

I use both Jaws and NVDA.

Is there a way to remap the numberpad keys to work like Jaws keys?

I would like the keys 2, 4, 6, and 8 to read line up and left, right and line down respectively, and the home, page up, end, and page down for the 1, 3, 7, and 9.

I would also prefer the zero key be used for changing these keys like Jaws does too.

If anyone has already done this, is there a way to import them to NVDA, maybe as an add-on?

Thanks.

 

Glenn Ervin  Orientation Counselor II

Norfolk Nebraska

402 370 3436

Cell: 402 992 0325

Welcome | NCBVI

 

Gesendet: Freitag, 16. März 2018 um 19:51 Uhr
Von: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] waterfox

Yes I have been using it as my default browser ever since Firefox started being difficult
I particularly like the inbuilt reader function which strips links and ads out - control alt and r.
There are only a couple of issues.
For me in some edit boxes I get a very verbose feedback with the whole string being announced every time I type a character. This tends to be some google edit boxes but not all of them for some reason.
The other main issue is that for some reason some sites like Amazon insists on occasionally interpreting Waterfox as a mobile device. This restricts access to buying Kindle books and sometimes one click ordering. Again this is not consistent. In these circumstances I simply copy the url from Waterfox to chrome to complete the transaction if I am having difficulties in Waterfox.
David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 16 March 2018 18:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] waterfox

Hi, everyone,

I just downloaded waterfox and checked out the weather forcast for my area using the braille weather underground site and waterfox is amazingly fast! I think I'll really like using it.

Rosemarie