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Re: Choosing a Laptop

 

It has a good processor, plenty of storage and memory, a touchscreen, and Windows 10 Pro, which I've been wanting. I'll be using it for most of every day, installing lots of apps, developing software with Visual Studio, which is a pretty big app, especially when you choose the development tools you want, downloading plenty of games and books, and doing lots of other stuff. Everything I read when I was researching things suggested that $500 was the bare minimum you should spend on a laptop. I'm planning to learn Python so I can help with NVDA and create my own software, and I already know C++, so I'll be using that too. I have Visual Studio Community, and I've noticed that it seems to run pretty slowly without a lot of RAM. I'll also probably be using Android Studio to develop apps. Also, it's not uncommon for me to have 7 or 8 different apps open and a bunch of tabs open in my browser.


On 3/17/2018 5:11 PM, Gene wrote:
What does using it hard mean?  It's not necessarily how many hours a day you use it but how you use it.  You don't want to get a cheap bottom of the line laptop, but for a lot of users, a roughly five hundred dollar laptop, perhaps cheaper if it's on sale, will serve.  You might want to see which are the most reliable laptops.  I don't follow this, but I have seen surveys, which may be done every year, I'm not sure, with some information about this.  and companies may put out a model that holds up well and another that doesn't.  So I wouldn't assume that if one model is good from a certain company, that they all are. 
 
I didn't look at the web site to see the price nor did I look at the specifications yet,  but what is everything and what is using it hard? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

It is expensive, but it has everything I need. Also, I've been doing
research and most really good laptops seem to be around that price
point. I'm going to be using it hard every day, so I need something that
can handle that and won't have problems.


On 3/17/2018 3:36 PM, Don H wrote:
> I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
>
> On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
>> I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended
>> them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I
>> think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
>> https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X380-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
>>
>> I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a
>> fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a
>> Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each
>> one under $100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that
>> with this laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would
>> be about $84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do
>> you all think?
>>
>> On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
>>> How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Lanie Molinar
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of
>>> lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software
>>> development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new
>>> laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a
>>> little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for.
>>> I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so
>>> I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several
>>> disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I
>>> can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer
>>> doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing
>>> lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with
>>> Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if
>>> that seems better. I would also be happy with something running
>>> Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of
>>> RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look
>>> for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle
>>> being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is
>>> low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good
>>> payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a
>>> laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For
>>> those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what
>>> would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
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Re: HELP! Windows can't update

ely.r@...
 

Thanks Jean, Actually used it in the past. Turned out that the Windows installer looked for any file with WindowEyes in it. It was finding old setup files in my download folder. Sent them to the recycle bin and then emptied it. The install went forward.

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update

 

Hi

 

I am not a window eyes user but came across the following on there website at https://www.gwmicro.com/Support/Downloads/?fileNo=1114

It says it is for the following Window-Eyes Emergency Removal Utility

 

 

This other link even though it is a manual one says to use the above tool and it looks like it gives you directions to do it at http://www.gwmicro.com/Support/Knowledge_Base/?kbnumber=GWKB1060
Hope the above helps.

Gene nz

On 3/18/2018 6:25 AM, David Griffith wrote:

I saw this problem  on another list and it turned out that bizarrely even if you have completely removed Window Eyes from your system doing a uninstall etc you can still have problems if there is any trace of a Window Eyes  setup file present on the drive. I have my old Window Eyes files on another secondary drive so I have not personally come across this problem.

This problem persisted even though the lister explained that  his old Window Eyes setup files had been compressed into an archive, I cannot remember if it was a zip or rar file.

So Window Eyes was not  installed and the old setup files were having no impact on his system at all, but he could not proceed with his Windows 10 upgrade until he had removed these old compressed setup files from the drive.

I imagine the same problem exists if you have any setup files for Window Eyes anywhere.

Once he had removed them though he was able to proceed.

Pretty odd but that is what he reported.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: ely.r@...
Sent: 17 March 2018 17:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update

 

Afternoon All,

Let’s start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper. Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the updater, was that I had incompatible software that the updater could not remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard removed of WE and it no longer is listed as an installed program. Went and did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed them as well. Here I am and the Windows updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry. Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won’t edit that. So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me smile. I have used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just lucky the time I used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is nonthreatening to my registry? ?.

Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of golden assistance,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Voice settings spontaneously resetting to eSpeak

Gene
 

That isn't clear.  If she unloads NVDA and runs it without rebooting, are the settings kept?  Where does NVDA save its settings in the installed version?  We know the portable version doesn't save them in the registry but what about the installed version?  If settings are retained when the screen-reader is unloaded and then run again without rebooting and if the settings are lost when a reboot is done, that implies, at least to me, that settings are kept in the registry and that there is a prroblem keeping the registry from retaining the settings.  We'll see what others say and how things develop. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Howard
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice settings spontaneously resetting to eSpeak

She says it only happens when she re-boots. I corrected it again today, and checked the preferences box to tell it to save settings. I will try the ctrl key + nvda key + the letter C  next time I log in remotely.

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On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:27 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Could she be using the synth ring key combinations accidentally somehow?
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard" <howard.lee.harkness@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 1:45 AM
Subject: [nvda] Voice settings spontaneously resetting to eSpeak


I have been using N V D A for several years on behalf of a blind lady in Texas, who I now support remotely.

Recently, N V D A has been spontaneously returning to an eSpeak voice instead of her preference, which is the Microsoft Zira voice for the M S A P I 5. I have checked the "save settings on exit" but that doesn't seem to make any difference.

She has a slight hearing deficit that makes it more difficult to understand the "mechanical man" (her term), and has had to have me set it back to Zira several times in the last few weeks.

Is there a command sequence that I can put into a startup file that can force the choice of synth and voice?







--

Howard Lee Harkness
918-416-1420


problem updating to NVDA 2018.1

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Hi all,
I come across the following problem when updating my old NVDA version.
1. Win 7 professional with NVDA 2014.4 installed
2. downloaded NVDA2018.1 and run the exe file
3. progress as usual, yet, when the program was installing, the following error message pop up
The installation is unable to remove or overwrite a file. Another copy of NVDA
may be running on another logged-on user account. Please make sure all
installed copies of NVDA are shut down and try the installation again.

Retry Cancel
4. I try clicking retry and the problem is still there
5. I then click cancel and the install program quit
6. I press ctrl alt n want to call back the original NVDA, however, the old NVDA didn't run.
 7. with sighted assistance, I try running the 2018 exe file again, however the same error message appear again.
8. I try logout again and run the 2018 installer again, however the error appear again
9. I have to run the old NVDA 2014.4 installer, and the NVDA is restored

Any advice would be helpful, thanks.


Re: HELP! Windows can't update

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I am not a window eyes user but came across the following on there website at https://www.gwmicro.com/Support/Downloads/?fileNo=1114

It says it is for the following Window-Eyes Emergency Removal Utility



This other link even though it is a manual one says to use the above tool and it looks like it gives you directions to do it at http://www.gwmicro.com/Support/Knowledge_Base/?kbnumber=GWKB1060
Hope the above helps.

Gene nz

On 3/18/2018 6:25 AM, David Griffith wrote:

I saw this problem  on another list and it turned out that bizarrely even if you have completely removed Window Eyes from your system doing a uninstall etc you can still have problems if there is any trace of a Window Eyes  setup file present on the drive. I have my old Window Eyes files on another secondary drive so I have not personally come across this problem.

This problem persisted even though the lister explained that  his old Window Eyes setup files had been compressed into an archive, I cannot remember if it was a zip or rar file.

So Window Eyes was not  installed and the old setup files were having no impact on his system at all, but he could not proceed with his Windows 10 upgrade until he had removed these old compressed setup files from the drive.

I imagine the same problem exists if you have any setup files for Window Eyes anywhere.

Once he had removed them though he was able to proceed.

Pretty odd but that is what he reported.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: ely.r@...
Sent: 17 March 2018 17:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update

 

Afternoon All,

Let’s start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper. Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the updater, was that I had incompatible software that the updater could not remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard removed of WE and it no longer is listed as an installed program. Went and did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed them as well. Here I am and the Windows updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry. Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won’t edit that. So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me smile. I have used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just lucky the time I used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is nonthreatening to my registry? ?.

Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of golden assistance,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: accessing links in a Kindle book with the Kindle app and NVDA

Mary Otten
 

Thanks. I was hoping that if I went to full screen mode with F11 from within a book, it would take everything off the screen and then maybe tab would work to cycle around with links. But no. It doesn’t. I don’t understand why they had to make tab what they did. It’s really a pain. I appreciate being able to move out of the book to the table of contents with a keystroke. But if they insisted on making a tab, they should at least have something else that lets you find a link.
Mary

On Mar 17, 2018, at 4:10 PM, ely.r@comcast.net wrote:

Mary,
Here is a link to a list of key commands for the Amazon Kindle running on a PC. Did not see just what you were looking for, but there may be something you can use.
Rick
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201246000

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413() 727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessing links in a Kindle book with the KIndle app and NVDA

I am a big fan of cookbooks, and they often have lots of links to the various recipes. But you can't just start tabbing when you are in a Kindle book, because the first tab takes you out of the text and into the table of contents. Very nice, but not when you want to see links. So how to see links?


Mary








Re: Voice settings spontaneously resetting to eSpeak

Howard <howard.lee.harkness@...>
 

She says it only happens when she re-boots. I corrected it again today, and checked the preferences box to tell it to save settings. I will try the ctrl key + nvda key + the letter C  next time I log in remotely.

Virus-free. www.avast.com

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:27 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Could she be using the synth ring key combinations accidentally somehow?
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard" <howard.lee.harkness@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 1:45 AM
Subject: [nvda] Voice settings spontaneously resetting to eSpeak


I have been using N V D A for several years on behalf of a blind lady in Texas, who I now support remotely.

Recently, N V D A has been spontaneously returning to an eSpeak voice instead of her preference, which is the Microsoft Zira voice for the M S A P I 5. I have checked the "save settings on exit" but that doesn't seem to make any difference.

She has a slight hearing deficit that makes it more difficult to understand the "mechanical man" (her term), and has had to have me set it back to Zira several times in the last few weeks.

Is there a command sequence that I can put into a startup file that can force the choice of synth and voice?







--

Howard Lee Harkness
918-416-1420


Re: accessing links in a Kindle book with the Kindle app and NVDA

ely.r@...
 

Mary,
Here is a link to a list of key commands for the Amazon Kindle running on a PC. Did not see just what you were looking for, but there may be something you can use.
Rick
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201246000

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413() 727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessing links in a Kindle book with the KIndle app and NVDA

I am a big fan of cookbooks, and they often have lots of links to the various recipes. But you can't just start tabbing when you are in a Kindle book, because the first tab takes you out of the text and into the table of contents. Very nice, but not when you want to see links. So how to see links?


Mary


Updating Windows and Code Factory voices

ely.r@...
 

Is it possible that my recent Windows update stole an activation of my Code Factory add-on? It looks like they are running, but when selected from the synthesizer choice in the Preference menu, I get a message that I need to provide my authorization code.

Thanks for any suggestion.

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038


Re: HELP! Windows can't update

John Covici
 

I think that is correct. I have a .zip file of my WE cd, but its on
another drive, so make sure you don't have even a .zip file containing
WindowEyes on your main drive. Now I have WindowEyes actually
installed and Windows does update successfully, I was able to get
2018.02 update.

On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 13:25:53 -0400,
David Griffith wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
I saw this problem on another list and it turned out that bizarrely even if you have completely removed Window Eyes from your system doing a uninstall etc you can still have problems if there is any trace of a Window Eyes setup file
present on the drive. I have my old Window Eyes files on another secondary drive so I have not personally come across this problem.

This problem persisted even though the lister explained that his old Window Eyes setup files had been compressed into an archive, I cannot remember if it was a zip or rar file.

So Window Eyes was not installed and the old setup files were having no impact on his system at all, but he could not proceed with his Windows 10 upgrade until he had removed these old compressed setup files from the drive.

I imagine the same problem exists if you have any setup files for Window Eyes anywhere.

Once he had removed them though he was able to proceed.

Pretty odd but that is what he reported.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: ely.r@comcast.net
Sent: 17 March 2018 17:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update

Afternoon All,

Let’s start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper. Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the updater, was
that I had incompatible software that the updater could not remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard removed of WE and it no longer is
listed as an installed program. Went and did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed them as well. Here I am and the Windows
updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry. Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won’t edit that. So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me smile. I have
used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just lucky the time I
used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is nonthreatening to my registry? ?.

Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of golden assistance,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413() 727-3038

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


Re: Choosing a Laptop

Gene
 

I just looked at the price.  2000 dollars is a ridiculous price to pay for a laptop unless you are a gamer or a power user who needs top of the line performance and speed.  If you are going to be doing word processing, e-mail, browsing, runnning something like blackboard, listening to audio, and other typical uses, you are spending much more than necessary.  However, if you tell us specifically how you are going to use the computer, we can see if you have any uses that might justify that high end, power user machine in your case.
 
Gene

----- Original Message ------
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

It is expensive, but it has everything I need. Also, I've been doing
research and most really good laptops seem to be around that price
point. I'm going to be using it hard every day, so I need something that
can handle that and won't have problems.


On 3/17/2018 3:36 PM, Don H wrote:
> I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
>
> On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
>> I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended
>> them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I
>> think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
>> https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X380-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
>>
>> I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a
>> fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a
>> Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each
>> one under $100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that
>> with this laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would
>> be about $84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do
>> you all think?
>>
>> On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
>>> How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Lanie Molinar
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of
>>> lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software
>>> development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new
>>> laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a
>>> little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for.
>>> I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so
>>> I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several
>>> disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I
>>> can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer
>>> doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing
>>> lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with
>>> Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if
>>> that seems better. I would also be happy with something running
>>> Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of
>>> RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look
>>> for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle
>>> being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is
>>> low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good
>>> payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a
>>> laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For
>>> those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what
>>> would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> http://www.avg.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>





Re: Choosing a Laptop

Gene
 

What does using it hard mean?  It's not necessarily how many hours a day you use it but how you use it.  You don't want to get a cheap bottom of the line laptop, but for a lot of users, a roughly five hundred dollar laptop, perhaps cheaper if it's on sale, will serve.  You might want to see which are the most reliable laptops.  I don't follow this, but I have seen surveys, which may be done every year, I'm not sure, with some information about this.  and companies may put out a model that holds up well and another that doesn't.  So I wouldn't assume that if one model is good from a certain company, that they all are. 
 
I didn't look at the web site to see the price nor did I look at the specifications yet,  but what is everything and what is using it hard? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

It is expensive, but it has everything I need. Also, I've been doing
research and most really good laptops seem to be around that price
point. I'm going to be using it hard every day, so I need something that
can handle that and won't have problems.


On 3/17/2018 3:36 PM, Don H wrote:
> I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
>
> On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
>> I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended
>> them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I
>> think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
>> https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X380-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
>>
>> I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a
>> fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a
>> Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each
>> one under $100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that
>> with this laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would
>> be about $84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do
>> you all think?
>>
>> On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
>>> How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Lanie Molinar
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of
>>> lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software
>>> development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new
>>> laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a
>>> little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for.
>>> I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so
>>> I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several
>>> disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I
>>> can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer
>>> doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing
>>> lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with
>>> Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if
>>> that seems better. I would also be happy with something running
>>> Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of
>>> RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look
>>> for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle
>>> being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is
>>> low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good
>>> payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a
>>> laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For
>>> those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what
>>> would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
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object navigation keyboard lockers

 

Hello

I was wondering had a add on that would allow one to lock the nvda key kind of what mac does with voice over I forget the exact key lock and

another example is the scan on and off if memory serves that is

on narator in windows10
thanks
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Re: Choosing a Laptop

Don H
 

I have had a lot of good luck with HP laptops. I don't buy their cheapest models. For example I have a HP envy laptop that I bought for under $700. It has a Intel 7 processor 12 Gig of Ram and a TB hard drive. At that price I can buy two more and still be below the price on the computer you are looking at. However on the other side of the thought if you can afford it why not buy what you want. So if that is what you want go for it. Only other thought is that computers and electronics in general go down in value really fast. If you are paying $100 per month you will owe more on the computer than its worth before the first year is out.

On 3/17/2018 3:49 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
It is expensive, but it has everything I need. Also, I've been doing research and most really good laptops seem to be around that price point. I'm going to be using it hard every day, so I need something that can handle that and won't have problems.
On 3/17/2018 3:36 PM, Don H wrote:
I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.

On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X380-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each one under $100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about $84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?

On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if that seems better. I would also be happy with something running Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.


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Re: HELP! Windows can't update

ely.r@...
 

David,

Thousand thanks! Yes indeed, there were WE setup files in my download folder. There was also one for Fusion when it was using WineowEyes  as its screen reader. Not sure how I messed the post you mentioned, but grateful to have your help.

Rick

 

 

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update

 

I saw this problem  on another list and it turned out that bizarrely even if you have completely removed Window Eyes from your system doing a uninstall etc you can still have problems if there is any trace of a Window Eyes  setup file present on the drive. I have my old Window Eyes files on another secondary drive so I have not personally come across this problem.

This problem persisted even though the lister explained that  his old Window Eyes setup files had been compressed into an archive, I cannot remember if it was a zip or rar file.

So Window Eyes was not  installed and the old setup files were having no impact on his system at all, but he could not proceed with his Windows 10 upgrade until he had removed these old compressed setup files from the drive.

I imagine the same problem exists if you have any setup files for Window Eyes anywhere.

Once he had removed them though he was able to proceed.

Pretty odd but that is what he reported.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: ely.r@...
Sent: 17 March 2018 17:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update

 

Afternoon All,

Let’s start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper. Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the updater, was that I had incompatible software that the updater could not remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard removed of WE and it no longer is listed as an installed program. Went and did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed them as well. Here I am and the Windows updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry. Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won’t edit that. So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me smile. I have used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just lucky the time I used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is nonthreatening to my registry? ?.

Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of golden assistance,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 


Re: Choosing a Laptop

 

It is expensive, but it has everything I need. Also, I've been doing research and most really good laptops seem to be around that price point. I'm going to be using it hard every day, so I need something that can handle that and won't have problems.

On 3/17/2018 3:36 PM, Don H wrote:
I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.

On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X380-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each one under $100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about $84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?

On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if that seems better. I would also be happy with something running Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.


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Re: Choosing a Laptop

Don H
 

I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.

On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X380-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each one under $100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about $84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?
On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if that seems better. I would also be happy with something running Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.


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Re: Registry fixing tool in nvda

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


it must not be finished yet I tried the one from Thursday or the lady did and it was fully installed when done when she run the coms fixing menu.


But am wondering if she had to reboot the computer afterwards..


We also tried what was mentioned from the following ticket https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243

Also installed the reg patch I think i had to install both of them but that part did not work.


There was some code near the top but sounded like i had to enter that as well it is before the windows  7 or 8 stuff then went down to the windows 10 version and after typing in it for both 32 and 64 bit machines it worked.


I just can not remember if it worked after the reboot or before the reboot of windows.


I am guessing also the part i have under trouble shooting on my nvda audio tutorials page usually it works but this time it did not. I am wondering if she had to reboot after it was done i think she just put the pc to sleep instead of rebooting. but if it does need rebooting after that stuff has been done maybe it should be mentioned with or a message with the tool when it is ready.



Her problem is gone now so all of it is reading correctly now and she is a happy chappy.


also setup a portable version on her hard drive with a shortcut  just in case it is needed. she is also doing a restore point just in case.


Gene nz



On 3/13/2018 2:55 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:
Yes Gene this should solve it.


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 12.03.2018 um 23:36 schrieb Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>:

Hi


Will yesterdays snapshot be able to fix what is in the ticket below.

I asked Brian but because he is say 12 hours behind us I might not know for a while.


NVDA stops reading webpages in all browser - saying "unknown" or "pane" (#2807)

The above is the ticket number.


If this is the case i know of a person who has contacted me with the what is described in the ticket. I am sure also she is using windows 10 but could get more info from her if needed.



I am hoping the next snapshot where the tool is under the tools menu might fix the problem or am i wrong?


She needs a way to register those files that are broken where it says unknown or pane.




Gene nz



On 3/13/2018 10:36 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:

This registry tool in NVDA only registers the required dlls for the accessibility API to comunicate properly with NVDA. You will not be able to edit your registry with it.

 

You can use CCleaner for that purpose.

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von ely.r@...
Gesendet: Montag, 12. März 2018 22:33
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Registry fixing tool in nvda

 

Question from a long time Window Eyes user. At present Windows can’t update to the latest version as it thinks there is an incompatible program installed on my computer. That program is Window Eyes. I have correctly uninstalled WE and have done multiple searches to try and find remnants. My best guess is that it is lurking still in my registry. I am not foolish enough to try editing my registry, and Leary of using any of the “registry cleaners.” Any chance that this addon would find such a lingering registry entry. When I read “other programs” I assume other access software. I am not having the issues described in this thread, but. . . .

Any advice out there?

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 3:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Registry fixing tool in nvda

 

Hi

 

Just had a quick look is this a snapshot to fix the unknown and pane problems that some people have had in the past? if it is and it works it would be far easier than the other way which i have been posting from time to time.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 3/13/2018 12:10 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I know a number of people here have had serious issues with browsers not reading word not working right with nvda and other associated problems.
For some time now this has been known to be due to  registry issues due to uninstallers of other software not correctly registering important files. The latest next snapshot has a tool to fix this, rather predictably in its tool menu, so if you are having such issues, it may well be a good idea to try this version of nvda and use the tool.
it should do no harm, but do remember that next snaps are bleeding edge code and will need to be used with caution. Always back up your previous version and set a restore point before doing any work on registry files. Note the account that its used on has to have admin access or it won't work.

Here is what the  entry says.

commit 8793a65c7aa65949a9043aafc932627ff158c90a
Author: Michael Curran <mick@...>
Date: Thu 08 Mar 2018 09:41:04 +1000
Installer: re-register some common COM interfaces which commonly get broken by bad uninstallers.
Raw diff
commit d3a9795e75cdbe9241d11eecb9a98fbe774a17f7
Author: Michael Curran <mick@...>
Date: Mon 12 Mar 2018 12:06:37 +1000
COMRegistrationFixes tool: add a backslash to the systemDrive. Also deremove some unused functions.
Raw diff
commit 3a5abd72a307fbe02779111dfee3bc5f5371345d
Author: Michael Curran <mick@...>
Date: Mon 12 Mar 2018 12:07:19 +1000
Add the COM Registrations Fixing tool to NVDA's Tools menu.
Raw diff
commit e1d79784de5f0b77343992e61b1fb811a9dc826e
Author: Michael Curran <mick@...>
Date: Mon 12 Mar 2018 15:43:05 +1000
Add a warning dialog to the COM Registration Fixing tool when run manually from the Tools menu.
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Author: Michael Curran <mick@...>
Date: Mon 12 Mar 2018 17:44:10 +1000
Add copyright header
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Author: Michael Curran <mick@...>
Date: Mon 12 Mar 2018 17:48:11 +1000
Add a module docstring
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Date: Mon 12 Mar 2018 17:55:53 +1000
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Choosing a Laptop

 

I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X380-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each one under $100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about $84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?

On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if that seems better. I would also be happy with something running Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.


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Re: Phasing out of 7

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

That's quite well put, John. I'm not always Microsoft's biggest fan (my
relationship with Windows 10 is about as fractious as it was with my
ex-wife), but I know from a little experience that they have an interest and
a willingness to work with organisations to address accessibility concerns
and improve their own systems. When I was working at the IT department of
the largest blindness-related organisation here in Canada, they had regular
conference calls with MS where lots of issues were brought up and discussed,
and my supervisor there is sure that specific changes were made due to him
and his colleagues' recommendations. Unfortunately, even though he made a
recommendation, I was never invited to any of those meetings, and I don't
work there anymore. *shrugs*....the main issue now seems to be access
technology keeping up with the frequent updates. It seems that it's
inevitable some improvements come with what appear to be steps backwards.
The "breaking" (in quotes) of the calculator accessibility is something that
immediately springs to mind.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: March 17, 2018 1:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Yeah look, I'm not saying these corporations are bastions of unmitigated
awesomeness and caring. I'm just saying, Microsoft seems to be really making
some nice improvements, for instance I think you'll be able to run Narrator
in safe mode soon under 10.


They are clearly trying to make Skype accessibility improvements, and
they're clearly asking for feedback about it. That doesn't mean any of us
will get exactly what we want or anything, but it does mean that one thing
you can do to try to improve Skype is to actually try using it and giving
them feedback about what you consider accessibility issues.


They're not going to satisfy everybody because different people like
different things, I know some people love numbered links on web pages and I
find them really annoying and they really get in the way of accessibility
for me. They drive me nuts. But that having been said, sorry, Microsoft is
at least trying to care. They're doing what people want them to do, they're
trying to get feedback from the actual community of users.


So yeah, you have something you can do, right now, to potentially affect the
future accessibility of Skype. At least try it instead of complaining that
nobody loves you and everybody hates you and you'll guess you'll go eat
worms, or other crazy things like mentioning a bunch of illegal stuff like
ransomeware attacks against companies. Maybe it will all turn out to be
horrible, but Microsoft is trying to care about us, not just by doing
whatever for accessibility but actually asking for feedback and all to make
it better for us. How about at least giving them a chance, huh?


On 3/17/2018 0:12, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well the big issue ofcause is market size, we are a small market.

And at any rate as times go on and such, in theory the number of
disabled will get less, and in that respect it may be better time
spent to focus on getting rid of the reasons people become disabled
where ever possible.

My condition for example, will no longer happen, for me I am the last
but no more will probably exist now and that at least is a good thing
sucks for me but even so.

As for not caring, the fact there are accessibility teams and the fact
ms/apple and not soni actually do a deal means to some extent they
care enough but not all the way.

Some of it seems in ms case to be team communication where not
everyone seems to keep everyone else in the loop but the rest I don't
know.




On 17/03/2018 5:27 p.m., John Isige wrote:
Yeah, I'm with you guys. I think we should do something but I have no
idea what we could do. If only there were some sort of interest on
the part of Microsoft in feedback from the blind and a way we could give
it.
I mean sort of like this fantasy here.


https://blogs.skype.com/news/2018/03/16/improving-skype-accessibility
/


Huh! Actually, now that I come to look at it, that seems pretty real.
Weird! Must not be though because big corporations and I'm a poor
blind person and reasons. Somebody try it and see if it accesses a
dimension full of unicorns or summons Cthulhu or something. Because
it's surely not Microsoft asking for feedback on the accessibility of
skype. They were awfully clever, to make it look like they care about
us and what we think, but I'm not falling for it, giant corporation
who couldn't care less about our poor downtrodden minority population!

In case you don't appreciate sarcasm, there's a blog post where
Microsoft is talking about accessibility improvements for Skype and
asking for more feedback, so there's actually something everybody can
do. Here's the link again.

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2018/03/16/improving-skype-accessibility
/


On 3/16/2018 23:09, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm you know I am with you, but exactly what do you want to exactly
do?

There is no way we can legally fight with the big corperates, they
do what they want, and if you anger them you get it in the nuts.

If I was skilled enough I guess I and a few could just take a lot of
them down, make em pay, and take everything else with them which may
make us feel good in the short term but probably wouldn't achieve
anything much.

If something is not accessible, you ask your local blind org about
it and they get anoyed with the bitg corps and just put  out another
non binding resolution which no one cares about.

There is no way anyone government or not will try to inforce full
access, there probably isn't a way to really do that anyway.

I guess if we got enough of us together, and did a petition on
change.org it would work except all of those are non binding.

The only way we may get a reaction is if a bunch of users posted
their keys online with complaints and made it known, it would have
to be pritty large numbers thoughh, and maybe include a few cracks
and ransomware attacks in there to.

Even so, we would then be sued and in turn would have to burn all
their websites down and sue all of them at once in such a way it
would make the news for ages and show we were serious.

However, it would have to be continuous, I mean this is not the yung
fighting against the system days of my younger years, what you are
proposing is a sustained war for long enough at the monsters that
would force them to change assuming they don't want to talk, some of
them like ms are doing their bit but not fully.

And even if we get it right, to win it may not be possible, but if
we do it and win and really push, but thats a big if.

Now I am not that expert at that sort of thing but if you can put a
group together maybe I join it, as long as you can win.

If we loose and we will loose its jail, the end of our lives, and
the bolstering of our enemies.

I fear we are not strong enough, but you think you can have this so
called revolution see, maybe if you win I look you up later.




On 17/03/2018 6:33 a.m., brian wrote:
What we should not have to get use to or except is the increasing
lack of full accessability.  Just telling somone to just grow up
and not offering them any help or any real sulutions is just plain
rude and is very uncalled for. No matter how independent or well
adjusted you are there will come a time when you will not have
someaccessability and you will feel quite helpless and both blind
and sighted people will tell you just grow up and except change.
How will you feel if one day yoou wake up only to find that you
have no more accessability because you did not advocate for it. If
we want to be first members of our society like nfb says then we do
need to have full accessability it's true that we do live in a
sighted world but they do need to have more accessability because
not everything can always be adapted for us there is a point when
work arrounds just don't work or they are not very efficient. We
should not just except what ever crums of token accessability the
sighted chose to give us we do want to live in the real world and
to be as independent as we can be but it's getting harder to do
this.  What will happen in 5 or
10 years from now will we be like the blind were back in the 1800's
having almost independence or real accessability what goes arrounds
comes arround.  I hope that when this does happen I hope that you
are happy because you will get what you deserve.  maybe you like
always being left behind and if you don't advocate for
accessability you won't have just saying that everything is fine I
AM  not having any problems that is a lie and you need to get your
head out of the sand.  This is not the future I want but it is the
future we will all have all because the blind community will just
not advocate for accessability if they do it's only a very small of
them and they don't keep the preasure on they just go away when they
get told no.
I have been blind since birth and our future does not look very
good when it comes to full accessability.  Both acb and nfb are
totally usless in this area they are doing nothing about it.  Why
do other people with other disabilties have more accessability
because they advocate for it and they did not give up.  Think of
the deaf community and the wheelchair comminity they have so much
more accessability then the blind have.  I do admire them for this
and it should be a lesson for us.  We have changes forced up us on
not for the better and we are just soposted to just accept it and
shut up well not me and who is with me?  either you want to be a
member of the society that is sighted or you don't

Brian Sackrider


On 2/16/2018 12:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Michael,

You're darn right that no employer would put up with whining and
complaining from any employee whether blind or sighted. They'd be
fired right on the spot! I don't know why some people are afraid
of change. As I always say, it's time to get a life. Like the old
saying goes, shape up or ship out.

Rosemarie

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Michael Capelle
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 6:45 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hey there.

i do agree with a few things here.

we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it
or not.

if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think
whining and complaining would get you anywhere?

no, it would get you fired.

we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.

*From:*Lino Morales <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite
country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade
to WIN 10
32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other
blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks
get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you
must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how
we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this
tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put
up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current
iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m
done. Grow up folks!

Lino Morales

*From: *Clare Page <mailto:clare.page@wanadoo.fr>
*Sent: *Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7,
which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been
using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up
on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC,
but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how
much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's
days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused
problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users
to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe:
both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out
there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using
Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will
the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and
want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no
longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA
developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible
with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support
Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility
of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the
stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above
questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation
where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only
one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my
links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com <mailto:inamuddin09@gmail.com>
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com <mailto:Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com>
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com <mailto:inam092@outlook.com>
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca <mailto:inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca> Add my
Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
<http://www.facebook.com/inamuddin786>
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
<http://www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1>
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or
improve skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7
are ported
over
thats all we ask.

Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic
have changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to
be
honest,
its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want
skype classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible
way.

Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I
wander
if that would change things some.




On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the
team
of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding
accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that
Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as
they will remove all of our concerns.
Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as
that version is installed in our machines.
He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem
using
Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will
always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have
regarding the use of Skype classic.
That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype
support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is
secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either
Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app
for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless
of
what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft
disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to
connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our
concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will
be removed as well!
There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen
reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity
and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to
rescue Skype from dying!
HTH
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com <mailto:inamuddin09@gmail.com>
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com
<mailto:Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com>
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com <mailto:inam092@outlook.com>
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca <mailto:inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca> Add my
Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
<http://www.facebook.com/inamuddin786>
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
<http://www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1>
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my
family
can
use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.

I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.

Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for
me skype is used a lot and the family well.

When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version
of
skype?

If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the
universal
app.




On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc,
skype really has died.

From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess
with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and
while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A,
for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a
substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first
have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT,
something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was
my primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting
used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes,
accessibility
shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And
there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken
than it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and
the
quality is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype
7
in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no
idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in
favor of team talk anyway.




http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what