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Re: My initial experience using NVDA with Skype 8

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Yes it seems that Microsoft are going further and not allowing skype installed on xp to even connect after a certain date. There have been mutterings about a big security hole in Skype, but I guess they are hardly likely to tell the hackers what it was, they are just going to stop machines with code that has it to no longer work.

I think this even covers Skype on older mobile operating systems for phones as well.
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From: "Supanut Leepaisomboon" <supanut2000@outlook.com>
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Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] My initial experience using NVDA with Skype 8


NVDA 2017.4 requires Windows 7 or later, and I do think Skype 8 also requires Windows 7.


Re: HELP! Windows can't update

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Hmm what I would do, and assuming this program will work is this. Windows 10 is presumably the 64 bit version. What was on the machine previously?

Can you still get back?
If yes then do so, put back window Eyes, and use Revo the old version to do a maximum scanned uninstall, where it can take away loose registry entries. if avast has ever been on the system get rid of it with the avast cleaner program. Do your upgrade to windows 10. Now things should work.
I had both these issues on my now long dead desktop that ran Windows 7 when I upgraded it to 10. However it failed when it tried to install the first updates straight after the initial update to 10, so rolling it back was easy, if a little long winded.
Otherwise you could try removing window eyes and avast if its there in windows 10 with revo, but I don't know if it can run. Because windw eyes is 32 bit the free old version has no issues removing it.
Avast is still the cleaner program.

Are you definitely sure the problem is the window eyes software? In my case it was the freeby Microsoft gave away with Office for a while and so I was surprised Microsoft had not figured out how to remove it properly!

I expect others will be along to suggest other things though.
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----- Original Message -----
From: <ely.r@comcast.net>
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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 5:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update


Afternoon All,
Let's start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper.
Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went
without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the
updater, was that I had incompatible software that the updater could not
remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was
WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard
removed of WE and it no longer is listed as an installed program. Went and
did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro
that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed
them as well. Here I am and the Windows updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry.
Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won't edit that.
So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me
smile. I have used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as
it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However
it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just
lucky the time I used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C
Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are
mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is
nonthreatening to my registry? ?.
Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of
golden assistance,
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
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Re: object navigation keyboard lockers

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm not 100% I follow, do you mean like Sticky keys?  So you can press the NVDA key, then let go, then press T on its own and NVDA will read the title of the current window, instead of needing to press both keys at once?  If so, the NVDA key will automatically become "sticky" if you have Windows' sticky keys turned on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 9:05 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
Hello

I was wondering had a add on that would allow one to lock the nvda key kind of what mac does with voice over I forget the exact key lock and

another example is the scan on and off if memory serves that is

on narator in windows10
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Re: Choosing a Laptop

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That depends on the usage though. If touch screen or being a tablet is important. its rugged, but not cheap but then they used to be IBM!
I expect one will still need to reconfigure the function keys and get used to a weird keyboard, but then, we do not know what the experience is of the buyer.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop


I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.

On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X380-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each one under $100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about $84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?

On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328



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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if that seems better. I would also be happy with something running Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.


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Re: Choosing a Laptop

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The answer will depend on where in the world you are.
You say you do not want a refurbished unit, but some of these are quite workable machines.
However if you had not said about lack of money I was going to say a Mac which can also run Windows and Linux as well, but there will be compromises.
If you know the programming work you will be doing then it might well be best to stick to whatever operating system best serves this.

Obviously on this list, we are only going to deal with nvda, and that means windows 7 to 10, and I'll leave it to others who may have expertise of the multi boot systems previously mentioned. Is the Mac market worth the expense of a machine? I'd doubt it knowing the hoops Apple make software vendors jump through to allow installation.
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From: "Lanie Molinar" <laniemolinar91@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 4:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop


Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if that seems better. I would also be happy with something running Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.


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Re: problem updating to NVDA 2018.1

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Yes, what account was the old version installed on and has the machine had its account privileges changed since the last version.
I seem to recall the new version does a lot more deletion of files in your system area than the old one used to.
If that is not the case then try to remove the old version using the old version of revo uninstaller. However, a word first.
make sure a restart does not allow you to install it, that is a complete restart of the machine, and make a portable copy somewhere on your machine of the old version with a manual shortcut to it on the desktop so you can get it back easily. make sure it copies all the settings etc when its created.


If none of that works, then I'll let others have a stab at it as they may well have seen it also.

Windows 7 can often fail to remove files for no apparent reason I found, but generally it will delete them on a restart.

I don't know what anti virus you are using, lets hope its not avast.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem updating to NVDA 2018.1


Hi all,
I come across the following problem when updating my old NVDA version.
1. Win 7 professional with NVDA 2014.4 installed
2. downloaded NVDA2018.1 and run the exe file
3. progress as usual, yet, when the program was installing, the following error message pop up
The installation is unable to remove or overwrite a file. Another copy of NVDA
may be running on another logged-on user account. Please make sure all
installed copies of NVDA are shut down and try the installation again.

Retry Cancel
4. I try clicking retry and the problem is still there
5. I then click cancel and the install program quit
6. I press ctrl alt n want to call back the original NVDA, however, the old NVDA didn't run.
7. with sighted assistance, I try running the 2018 exe file again, however the same error message appear again.
8. I try logout again and run the 2018 installer again, however the error appear again
9. I have to run the old NVDA 2014.4 installer, and the NVDA is restored

Any advice would be helpful, thanks.



Re: My initial experience using NVDA with Skype 8

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I think its possible more reliable for some software on the older machine. certainly there were changes but it does very much depend on the software in use whether the trade off of using the later version for its extras and things it won't allow is worth it.

I tend to get around such issues on older operating systems by using portable versionds of the least needed version with a simple switch over batch file.


Its a bit like only having one browser can be a problem, and only having one screenreader can be also, however, I no longer use my old reader Dolphin Supernova and cannot be bothered with the jaws time limited demo.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] My initial experience using NVDA with Skype 8


Why would you want to use such an old version? Version 2017.3 still works Wwith Windows XP


Re: My initial experience using NVDA with Skype 8

 

Why would you want to use such an old version? Version 2017.3 still works Wwith Windows XP


Re: My initial experience using NVDA with Skype 8

 

i told 2016.4, not 2017.4!

On 3/18/18, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@outlook.com> wrote:
NVDA 2017.4 requires Windows 7 or later, and I do think Skype 8 also
requires Windows 7.
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Re: My initial experience using NVDA with Skype 8

 

NVDA 2017.4 requires Windows 7 or later, and I do think Skype 8 also requires Windows 7.


Re: problem with NVDA shortcut g for graphic in a webpage

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi try this.

<img src="<a href="http://gilesturnbullpoet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Lucy-Chaplin-Study-in-Red_sm.jpg" alt="image of a painting titled Study in Red by Lucy Chaplin. It is an abstract painting featuring different shades of red, textures and shapes.">
You forgot to put in the opening <a tag for the url since you are nesting.  it into the img tag.  Also, it would be good for you to put in the width and height of the image.  Cheers!

On 3/18/2018 6:02 AM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
Hi all,

I suspect this is probably a fault in my html coding rather than an NVDA problem, but I'd appreciate any help as to why the following webpage code has one graphic that NVDA finds with the g shortcut whilst the g shortcut does not find the other. If I switch which IMG tag is first then the g shortcut keystroke finds whichever graphic is first and does not find the other!

<p>first paragraph</p>
<img src="http://gilesturnbullpoet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Lucy-Chaplin-Study-in-Red_sm.jpg" alt="image of a painting titled Study in Red by Lucy Chaplin. It is an abstract painting featuring different shades of red, textures and shapes.">

<img src="http://gilesturnbullpoet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Rosie-Moriarty-Simmonds-Blue-Ballet-Slippers" alt="image of the painting Blue Ballet Slippers by mouth painting artist Rosie Moriarty Simmonds. The picture shows a pair of blue ballet pumps en pointe.">
<p>next paragraph</p>

Grateful for any advice on this :)

Thanks,

Giles


Re: problem updating to NVDA 2018.1

 

hi.
did you try restarting your computer?
it can help resolving many issues.
if not, you can uninstall previous version of nvda and reinstall new
version, or use system restore.

On 3/18/18, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I come across the following problem when updating my old NVDA version.
1. Win 7 professional with NVDA 2014.4 installed
2. downloaded NVDA2018.1 and run the exe file
3. progress as usual, yet, when the program was installing, the
following error message pop up
The installation is unable to remove or overwrite a file. Another copy
of NVDA
may be running on another logged-on user account. Please make sure all
installed copies of NVDA are shut down and try the installation again.

Retry Cancel
4. I try clicking retry and the problem is still there
5. I then click cancel and the install program quit
6. I press ctrl alt n want to call back the original NVDA, however, the
old NVDA didn't run.
 7. with sighted assistance, I try running the 2018 exe file again,
however the same error message appear again.
8. I try logout again and run the 2018 installer again, however the
error appear again
9. I have to run the old NVDA 2014.4 installer, and the NVDA is restored

Any advice would be helpful, thanks.




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Re: My initial experience using NVDA with Skype 8

 

does nvda 2016.4 support it?
i decided to use this version of nvda forever!

On 3/18/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmmm well While I like skype7 for what it is its not all that cool really.

If new skype is becoming a web based uwp page thingy and if I can get
used to it, giving that nvda's strength is web elements then maybe
things are changing for the better.




On 18/03/2018 2:18 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
Hi,
I recently updated Skype to the new Skype 8 via Ninight. I did just gave
NVDA a try, and I must say, I'm quite satisfied with how NVDA performs
(haven't try going into the settings yet though). The fact that NVDA
treats Skype as a web page means I can just press the e key to jump to the
message edit box, without having to tab around, which I find quite
annoying in Skype 7. Also, once I exit the focus mode on the message edit
field, I'm able to use the up/down arrow keys to review the messages in
the chat, which is once again more convenient than tabbing around.
However I do miss the ability to set custom hotkeys, notifications when
someone signs in or sends a message, and the list of pending contact
requests though.
At first, I thought NVDA would work horribly with the new Skype, judging
by a thread about this on the list earlier but my experience seems to
prove otherwise.
But if I'm on Windows 10, I'll still use the Skype UWP as it's
preinstalled.



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Re: Choosing a Laptop

Gene
 

As I recall, 500 dollars is considered a price where you can get a reasonably good laptop, according to what I read perhaps a year or a year and a half ago.  I mean 500 dollars not on sale. 
 
You can look at this page and follow the laptop link to see what is presented there.  I didn't look at more than this one page this evening but if you follow the laptop link, I think you will get price recommendations for laptops that will suit different needs.
 
Gene

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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

aren't the poorest, underpowered and cheap laptops around 500 dollars in the states? I definately wouldn't get anything below an i5, and would try to get the latest eighth gen processor, which has 4 cores instead of 2.


On 3/18/2018 1:11 AM, Gene wrote:
What does using it hard mean?  It's not necessarily how many hours a day you use it but how you use it.  You don't want to get a cheap bottom of the line laptop, but for a lot of users, a roughly five hundred dollar laptop, perhaps cheaper if it's on sale, will serve.  You might want to see which are the most reliable laptops.  I don't follow this, but I have seen surveys, which may be done every year, I'm not sure, with some information about this.  and companies may put out a model that holds up well and another that doesn't.  So I wouldn't assume that if one model is good from a certain company, that they all are. 
 
I didn't look at the web site to see the price nor did I look at the specifications yet,  but what is everything and what is using it hard? 
 
Gene
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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

It is expensive, but it has everything I need. Also, I've been doing
research and most really good laptops seem to be around that price
point. I'm going to be using it hard every day, so I need something that
can handle that and won't have problems.


On 3/17/2018 3:36 PM, Don H wrote:
> I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
>
> On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
>> I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended
>> them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I
>> think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
>> https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X380-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
>>
>> I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a
>> fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a
>> Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each
>> one under $100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that
>> with this laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would
>> be about $84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do
>> you all think?
>>
>> On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
>>> How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Lanie Molinar
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of
>>> lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software
>>> development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new
>>> laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a
>>> little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for.
>>> I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so
>>> I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several
>>> disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I
>>> can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer
>>> doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing
>>> lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with
>>> Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if
>>> that seems better. I would also be happy with something running
>>> Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of
>>> RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look
>>> for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle
>>> being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is
>>> low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good
>>> payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a
>>> laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For
>>> those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what
>>> would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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Re: Choosing a Laptop

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

These days, a cheap laptop can be had for less than $300.

Laugh at them, but the Intel Atom, celleron and pentium processors, for day to day use like web browsing, office tasks and email do just fine.

I'm using a t100 from 2013 with an intel atom z3740 and I still get 10 plus hours of batterylife. I love it. They have a new one out now, the transformer book mini by asus. Very solid design.


On 17-Mar-2018 10:17 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:

That's a big part of why I want this laptop. It has the 8th generation Intel I7.


On 3/17/2018 9:59 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

aren't the poorest, underpowered and cheap laptops around 500 dollars in the states? I definately wouldn't get anything below an i5, and would try to get the latest eighth gen processor, which has 4 cores instead of 2.


On 3/18/2018 1:11 AM, Gene wrote:
What does using it hard mean?  It's not necessarily how many hours a day you use it but how you use it.  You don't want to get a cheap bottom of the line laptop, but for a lot of users, a roughly five hundred dollar laptop, perhaps cheaper if it's on sale, will serve.  You might want to see which are the most reliable laptops.  I don't follow this, but I have seen surveys, which may be done every year, I'm not sure, with some information about this.  and companies may put out a model that holds up well and another that doesn't.  So I wouldn't assume that if one model is good from a certain company, that they all are. 
 
I didn't look at the web site to see the price nor did I look at the specifications yet,  but what is everything and what is using it hard? 
 
Gene
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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

It is expensive, but it has everything I need. Also, I've been doing
research and most really good laptops seem to be around that price
point. I'm going to be using it hard every day, so I need something that
can handle that and won't have problems.


On 3/17/2018 3:36 PM, Don H wrote:
> I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
>
> On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
>> I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended
>> them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I
>> think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
>> https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X380-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
>>
>> I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a
>> fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a
>> Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each
>> one under $100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that
>> with this laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would
>> be about $84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do
>> you all think?
>>
>> On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
>>> How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Lanie Molinar
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of
>>> lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software
>>> development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new
>>> laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a
>>> little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for.
>>> I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so
>>> I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several
>>> disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I
>>> can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer
>>> doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing
>>> lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with
>>> Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if
>>> that seems better. I would also be happy with something running
>>> Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of
>>> RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look
>>> for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle
>>> being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is
>>> low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good
>>> payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a
>>> laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For
>>> those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what
>>> would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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Re: My initial experience using NVDA with Skype 8

 

Hmmm well While I like skype7 for what it is its not all that cool really.

If new skype is becoming a web based uwp page thingy and if I can get used to it, giving that nvda's strength is web elements then maybe things are changing for the better.

On 18/03/2018 2:18 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
Hi,
I recently updated Skype to the new Skype 8 via Ninight. I did just gave NVDA a try, and I must say, I'm quite satisfied with how NVDA performs (haven't try going into the settings yet though). The fact that NVDA treats Skype as a web page means I can just press the e key to jump to the message edit box, without having to tab around, which I find quite annoying in Skype 7. Also, once I exit the focus mode on the message edit field, I'm able to use the up/down arrow keys to review the messages in the chat, which is once again more convenient than tabbing around.
However I do miss the ability to set custom hotkeys, notifications when someone signs in or sends a message, and the list of pending contact requests though.
At first, I thought NVDA would work horribly with the new Skype, judging by a thread about this on the list earlier but my experience seems to prove otherwise.
But if I'm on Windows 10, I'll still use the Skype UWP as it's preinstalled.


Re: Choosing a Laptop

 

Well I have had good use out of an hp unit, while I do have issues with their support system and their action keys and the fact that their drivers for sound and such seem to have some issues, I have had no real issue, my aunt has a tu, entry level laptop and its fine for what it is.

For me I will have a tx which is their entertainment grade or ax level which handles just about everything.

My plan is to have dedicated graphics 2gb minimum just so I can enjoy my reader without it using shared

memmory and to play some hybrid games on and some of them do exist.

Over that duel drives, and either a dvd or simply an external one.

The other maker I am toying with is asus not because of their software which is totally inaccessible but for performance though hp works out of the box and just about all their apps for the most part are accessible to a point.

On 18/03/2018 9:56 a.m., Don H wrote:
I have had a lot of good luck with HP laptops.  I don't buy their cheapest models.  For example I have a HP envy  laptop that I bought for under $700.  It has a Intel 7 processor 12 Gig of Ram and a TB hard drive.  At that price I can buy two more and still be below the price on the computer you are looking at.  However on the other side of the thought if you can afford it why not buy what you want.  So if that is what you want go for it.  Only other thought is that computers and electronics in general go down in value really fast.  If you are paying $100 per month you will owe more on the computer than its worth before the first year is out.

On 3/17/2018 3:49 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
It is expensive, but it has everything I need. Also, I've been doing research and most really good laptops seem to be around that price point. I'm going to be using it hard every day, so I need something that can handle that and won't have problems.


On 3/17/2018 3:36 PM, Don H wrote:
I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.

On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X380-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each one under $100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about $84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?

On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if that seems better. I would also be happy with something running Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.


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Re: Choosing a Laptop

 

That's a big part of why I want this laptop. It has the 8th generation Intel I7.


On 3/17/2018 9:59 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

aren't the poorest, underpowered and cheap laptops around 500 dollars in the states? I definately wouldn't get anything below an i5, and would try to get the latest eighth gen processor, which has 4 cores instead of 2.


On 3/18/2018 1:11 AM, Gene wrote:
What does using it hard mean?  It's not necessarily how many hours a day you use it but how you use it.  You don't want to get a cheap bottom of the line laptop, but for a lot of users, a roughly five hundred dollar laptop, perhaps cheaper if it's on sale, will serve.  You might want to see which are the most reliable laptops.  I don't follow this, but I have seen surveys, which may be done every year, I'm not sure, with some information about this.  and companies may put out a model that holds up well and another that doesn't.  So I wouldn't assume that if one model is good from a certain company, that they all are. 
 
I didn't look at the web site to see the price nor did I look at the specifications yet,  but what is everything and what is using it hard? 
 
Gene
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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

It is expensive, but it has everything I need. Also, I've been doing
research and most really good laptops seem to be around that price
point. I'm going to be using it hard every day, so I need something that
can handle that and won't have problems.


On 3/17/2018 3:36 PM, Don H wrote:
> I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
>
> On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
>> I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended
>> them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I
>> think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
>> https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X380-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
>>
>> I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a
>> fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a
>> Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each
>> one under $100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that
>> with this laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would
>> be about $84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do
>> you all think?
>>
>> On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
>>> How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Lanie Molinar
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of
>>> lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software
>>> development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new
>>> laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a
>>> little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for.
>>> I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so
>>> I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several
>>> disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I
>>> can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer
>>> doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing
>>> lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with
>>> Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if
>>> that seems better. I would also be happy with something running
>>> Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of
>>> RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look
>>> for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle
>>> being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is
>>> low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good
>>> payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a
>>> laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For
>>> those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what
>>> would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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Re: Choosing a Laptop

 

Hi,

Depends on manufacturer and model. I’ve seen laptops go under 500 dollars (as low as 250).

Lanie’s requirements sort of reflect what I did last year when ordering a Lenovo ThinkPad. I got a Core I5 with 8 GB of RAM and 512 GB SSD, intending for software development work and for testing various apps. I also asked for a fingerprint reader and touchscreen for various reasons (in particular, I needed a touchscreen device in order to continue my work with one particular add-on). All this (a custom-built Lenovo ThinkPad T470) cost 1400 dollars. Lanie may have gotten more powerful components and a newer processor than mine, which may explain the higher cost.

As for development work: I hope you can tell us stories of adventures with Windows Subsystem for Linux. Soon, you’ll be blown away by a feature that’ll make some software development scenarios easier (I’ll give a brief demo of that one at an upcoming Accessible World Tek Talk presentation).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

aren't the poorest, underpowered and cheap laptops around 500 dollars in the states? I definately wouldn't get anything below an i5, and would try to get the latest eighth gen processor, which has 4 cores instead of 2.

 

On 3/18/2018 1:11 AM, Gene wrote:

What does using it hard mean?  It's not necessarily how many hours a day you use it but how you use it.  You don't want to get a cheap bottom of the line laptop, but for a lot of users, a roughly five hundred dollar laptop, perhaps cheaper if it's on sale, will serve.  You might want to see which are the most reliable laptops.  I don't follow this, but I have seen surveys, which may be done every year, I'm not sure, with some information about this.  and companies may put out a model that holds up well and another that doesn't.  So I wouldn't assume that if one model is good from a certain company, that they all are. 

 

I didn't look at the web site to see the price nor did I look at the specifications yet,  but what is everything and what is using it hard? 

 

Gene

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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 3:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

It is expensive, but it has everything I need. Also, I've been doing
research and most really good laptops seem to be around that price
point. I'm going to be using it hard every day, so I need something that
can handle that and won't have problems.


On 3/17/2018 3:36 PM, Don H wrote:
> I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
>
> On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
>> I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended
>> them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I
>> think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
>> https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X380-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
>>
>> I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a
>> fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a
>> Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each
>> one under $100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that
>> with this laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would
>> be about $84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do
>> you all think?
>>
>> On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
>>> How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Lanie Molinar
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of
>>> lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software
>>> development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new
>>> laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a
>>> little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for.
>>> I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so
>>> I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several
>>> disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I
>>> can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer
>>> doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing
>>> lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with
>>> Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if
>>> that seems better. I would also be happy with something running
>>> Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of
>>> RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look
>>> for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle
>>> being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is
>>> low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good
>>> payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a
>>> laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For
>>> those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what
>>> would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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Re: Choosing a Laptop

enes sarıbaş
 

aren't the poorest, underpowered and cheap laptops around 500 dollars in the states? I definately wouldn't get anything below an i5, and would try to get the latest eighth gen processor, which has 4 cores instead of 2.


On 3/18/2018 1:11 AM, Gene wrote:
What does using it hard mean?  It's not necessarily how many hours a day you use it but how you use it.  You don't want to get a cheap bottom of the line laptop, but for a lot of users, a roughly five hundred dollar laptop, perhaps cheaper if it's on sale, will serve.  You might want to see which are the most reliable laptops.  I don't follow this, but I have seen surveys, which may be done every year, I'm not sure, with some information about this.  and companies may put out a model that holds up well and another that doesn't.  So I wouldn't assume that if one model is good from a certain company, that they all are. 
 
I didn't look at the web site to see the price nor did I look at the specifications yet,  but what is everything and what is using it hard? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

It is expensive, but it has everything I need. Also, I've been doing
research and most really good laptops seem to be around that price
point. I'm going to be using it hard every day, so I need something that
can handle that and won't have problems.


On 3/17/2018 3:36 PM, Don H wrote:
> I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
>
> On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
>> I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended
>> them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I
>> think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
>> https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X380-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
>>
>> I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a
>> fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a
>> Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each
>> one under $100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that
>> with this laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would
>> be about $84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do
>> you all think?
>>
>> On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
>>> How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Lanie Molinar
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of
>>> lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software
>>> development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new
>>> laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a
>>> little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for.
>>> I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so
>>> I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several
>>> disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I
>>> can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer
>>> doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing
>>> lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with
>>> Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if
>>> that seems better. I would also be happy with something running
>>> Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of
>>> RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look
>>> for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle
>>> being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is
>>> low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good
>>> payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a
>>> laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For
>>> those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what
>>> would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
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