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Re: Choosing a Laptop

Tyler Wood
 

Surprisingly, nobody has mentioned Toshiba.

Very well built, everything is 100% accessible and there is even the ability to configure bios settings from within windows using the hw utility.


Hp laptops are, unless business class, poorly built and prone to hinge failure a few years down the road in my experience.


If you really want a nice device, check out the surface book. You can get the first generation which still holds up quite well or the 2nd generation - either way you go, you're getting one heck of a computer that will last you and with none of the junk from other manufacturer, just windows.


On 20-Mar-2018 1:15 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Usually, however  the audio is not as good in my experiences.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

I once had a chat with someone on the HP Support desk who said  that business class laptops are designed to be more robust than those for the home market.  My Hp is now over 6 years old, used evry day and still going strong.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronald J Glaser
Sent: 20 March 2018 16:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

I own two lenovo computers and I am very happy with them they are business class computers but well worth it.

 

On 3/20/2018 11:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I see what you mean now. Yes, for what she wants to do, it'
s better for her to have something that will last for a long time. I've heard that Lenovo is a very good brand.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Well, she is taking up software engineering, which means that she needs a machine that can handle intensive work loads when she writes her programs.  She needs the space to install the programming environments that she will be working in, which includes IDEs, Debuggers and a lot of storage space because  the writeten programs itself takes up a considerable amount of space, ram and memory.  Furthermore, Lenovo is one of the longest lasting machines out there.  I've had mine for almost
4 years now and it is still performing to it's high standards.  I bought mine for around the same price, might be a bit less, but I've had no issues with my lenovo machine even though I use it for my programming work, plus music production work almost daily.  Sometimes, it is helpful to ourselves to pay for something that lasts, pick our pocket once, but never have to worry about longevity and reliability for at least a few years.  Cheers!
 
 
On 3/20/2018 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That sounds like it's very expensive.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Don H
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
 
On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended 
them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I 
think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X3
8
0-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
 
I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a 
fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a 
Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each 
one under
$100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this 
laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about
$84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?
 
On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of 
lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software 
development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new 
laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a 
little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. 
I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so 
I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several 
disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I 
can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer 
doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing 
lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with 
Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if 
that seems better. I would also be happy with something running 
Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM.
There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or 
where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being 
used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is 
low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good 
payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a 
laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For 
those on software
development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for 
a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.
 
 
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Re: Choosing a Laptop

Ervin, Glenn
 

Usually, however  the audio is not as good in my experiences.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

I once had a chat with someone on the HP Support desk who said  that business class laptops are designed to be more robust than those for the home market.  My Hp is now over 6 years old, used evry day and still going strong.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronald J Glaser
Sent: 20 March 2018 16:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

I own two lenovo computers and I am very happy with them they are business class computers but well worth it.

 

On 3/20/2018 11:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I see what you mean now. Yes, for what she wants to do, it'
s better for her to have something that will last for a long time. I've heard that Lenovo is a very good brand.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Well, she is taking up software engineering, which means that she needs a machine that can handle intensive work loads when she writes her programs.  She needs the space to install the programming environments that she will be working in, which includes IDEs, Debuggers and a lot of storage space because  the writeten programs itself takes up a considerable amount of space, ram and memory.  Furthermore, Lenovo is one of the longest lasting machines out there.  I've had mine for almost
4 years now and it is still performing to it's high standards.  I bought mine for around the same price, might be a bit less, but I've had no issues with my lenovo machine even though I use it for my programming work, plus music production work almost daily.  Sometimes, it is helpful to ourselves to pay for something that lasts, pick our pocket once, but never have to worry about longevity and reliability for at least a few years.  Cheers!
 
 
On 3/20/2018 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That sounds like it's very expensive.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Don H
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
 
On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended 
them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I 
think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X3
8
0-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
 
I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a 
fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a 
Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each 
one under
$100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this 
laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about
$84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?
 
On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of 
lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software 
development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new 
laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a 
little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. 
I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so 
I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several 
disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I 
can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer 
doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing 
lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with 
Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if 
that seems better. I would also be happy with something running 
Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM.
There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or 
where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being 
used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is 
low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good 
payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a 
laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For 
those on software
development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for 
a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.
 
 
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Re: How to get in touch with DictationBridge

Mel Thatcher <mel_thatcher@...>
 

Thanks Joseph


Re: Choosing a Laptop

Chris Mullins
 

I once had a chat with someone on the HP Support desk who said  that business class laptops are designed to be more robust than those for the home market.  My Hp is now over 6 years old, used evry day and still going strong.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronald J Glaser
Sent: 20 March 2018 16:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

I own two lenovo computers and I am very happy with them they are business class computers but well worth it.

 

On 3/20/2018 11:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I see what you mean now. Yes, for what she wants to do, it'
s better for her to have something that will last for a long time. I've heard that Lenovo is a very good brand.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Well, she is taking up software engineering, which means that she needs a machine that can handle intensive work loads when she writes her programs.  She needs the space to install the programming environments that she will be working in, which includes IDEs, Debuggers and a lot of storage space because  the writeten programs itself takes up a considerable amount of space, ram and memory.  Furthermore, Lenovo is one of the longest lasting machines out there.  I've had mine for almost
4 years now and it is still performing to it's high standards.  I bought mine for around the same price, might be a bit less, but I've had no issues with my lenovo machine even though I use it for my programming work, plus music production work almost daily.  Sometimes, it is helpful to ourselves to pay for something that lasts, pick our pocket once, but never have to worry about longevity and reliability for at least a few years.  Cheers!
 
 
On 3/20/2018 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That sounds like it's very expensive.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Don H
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
 
On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended 
them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I 
think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X3
8
0-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
 
I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a 
fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a 
Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each 
one under
$100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this 
laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about
$84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?
 
On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of 
lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software 
development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new 
laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a 
little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. 
I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so 
I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several 
disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I 
can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer 
doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing 
lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with 
Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if 
that seems better. I would also be happy with something running 
Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM.
There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or 
where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being 
used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is 
low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good 
payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a 
laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For 
those on software
development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for 
a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.
 
 
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Re: Strange symbols in conversion results in Calculator in Windows 10

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,

According to a Unicode table I looked at 0x202A is telling the display to force left to right output, and 0x202C returns Left to right output back to what it was. In general I believe you can just ignore this character. 


Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Well in my case I hear this PC when I am in the context menu.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Hi.  I can confirm this.  I tried with three apps specifically, Thunderbird, This pc and Device manager.  when you press the context menu and arrow up or down, the first two letters of the app is spoken in conjunction with the context menu items, for example, "thwrite message" for Thunderbird.  Cheers!

 

On 3/20/2018 11:17 PM, Ronald J Glaser wrote:

Using a snap shot of nvda the out look speaking the first part still exsists as well. so I also again do agree with chrsi, this has to be a nvda issue

 

On 3/20/2018 9:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.



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Re: How to get in touch with DictationBridge

Gene
 

These don't look like web page links.  there is an at sign in each one.  They look like e-mail addresses. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get in touch with DictationBridge

Gene,

Thanks for your guidance.

Here are the links that are not working:

list address:  http://dictationbridge.com/dictation-discuss@...

subscription address:  http://dictationbridge.com/dictation-discuss-subscribe@...

3mousetech.com contact form:  Invalid HTTP_REFERER domain. The domain name posted from does not match the allowed domain names from the form edit Security tab: , , 3mousetech.com

Mel


Auto Fill, Google Chrome, NVDA 2018.1?

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

I'm noticing something when the NVDA auto focus event is triggered on web pages with an edit field (Mainly username and password.)


I sometimes here reference to a "Auto fill" window?


What exactly is that for? More importantly, how do I take advantage of it when encountering login forms in Google Chrome?


Odd how in JAWS 2018 the form fields had the information already entered once the page loaded, so I simply had to hit Login. In NVDA, the same form fields seem to be empty. I have to press an arrow key while focus is in the field for it to fill in the details. Sometimes it fills in the wrong information though.


Maybe it has something to do with my not using the Auto Fill feature properly?


Re: How to get in touch with DictationBridge

 

Hi,

AT least for the forum, the new links should be:

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mel Thatcher via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get in touch with DictationBridge

 

Gene,

Thanks for your guidance.

Here are the links that are not working:

list address:  http://dictationbridge.com/dictation-discuss@...

subscription address:  http://dictationbridge.com/dictation-discuss-subscribe@...

3mousetech.com contact form:  Invalid HTTP_REFERER domain. The domain name posted from does not match the allowed domain names from the form edit Security tab: , , 3mousetech.com

Mel


Re: Dictation Bridge does not appear under Tools

Mel Thatcher <mel_thatcher@...>
 

Using Avira.  I will turn it off and try again.

Thanks,

Mel


Re: Choosing a Laptop

Ronald J Glaser
 

I own two lenovo computers and I am very happy with them they are business class computers but well worth it.


On 3/20/2018 11:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I see what you mean now. Yes, for what she wants to do, it'
s better for her to have something that will last for a long time. I've heard that Lenovo is a very good brand.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Well, she is taking up software engineering, which means that she needs a machine that can handle intensive work loads when she writes her programs.  She needs the space to install the programming environments that she will be working in, which includes IDEs, Debuggers and a lot of storage space because  the writeten programs itself takes up a considerable amount of space, ram and memory.  Furthermore, Lenovo is one of the longest lasting machines out there.  I've had mine for almost
4 years now and it is still performing to it's high standards.  I bought mine for around the same price, might be a bit less, but I've had no issues with my lenovo machine even though I use it for my programming work, plus music production work almost daily.  Sometimes, it is helpful to ourselves to pay for something that lasts, pick our pocket once, but never have to worry about longevity and reliability for at least a few years.  Cheers!


On 3/20/2018 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That sounds like it's very expensive.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Don H
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.

On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended 
them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I 
think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X3
8
0-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS

I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a 
fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a 
Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each 
one under
$100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this 
laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about
$84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?

On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of 
lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software 
development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new 
laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a 
little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. 
I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so 
I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several 
disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I 
can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer 
doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing 
lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with 
Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if 
that seems better. I would also be happy with something running 
Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM.
There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or 
where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being 
used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is 
low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good 
payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a 
laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For 
those on software
development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for 
a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.


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Re: How to get in touch with DictationBridge

Mel Thatcher <mel_thatcher@...>
 

Gene,

Thanks for your guidance.

Here are the links that are not working:

list address:  http://dictationbridge.com/dictation-discuss@...

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Re: Choosing a Laptop

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I see what you mean now. Yes, for what she wants to do, it'
s better for her to have something that will last for a long time. I've heard that Lenovo is a very good brand.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Well, she is taking up software engineering, which means that she needs a machine that can handle intensive work loads when she writes her programs. She needs the space to install the programming environments that she will be working in, which includes IDEs, Debuggers and a lot of storage space because the writeten programs itself takes up a considerable amount of space, ram and memory. Furthermore, Lenovo is one of the longest lasting machines out there. I've had mine for almost
4 years now and it is still performing to it's high standards. I bought mine for around the same price, might be a bit less, but I've had no issues with my lenovo machine even though I use it for my programming work, plus music production work almost daily. Sometimes, it is helpful to ourselves to pay for something that lasts, pick our pocket once, but never have to worry about longevity and reliability for at least a few years. Cheers!


On 3/20/2018 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That sounds like it's very expensive.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Don H
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.

On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended
them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I
think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X3
8
0-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS

I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a
fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a
Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each
one under
$100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this
laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about
$84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?

On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of
lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software
development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new
laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a
little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for.
I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so
I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several
disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I
can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer
doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing
lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with
Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if
that seems better. I would also be happy with something running
Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM.
There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or
where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being
used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is
low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good
payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a
laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For
those on software
development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for
a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.


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Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Hi,

This is because UIA isn’t treating it as a context menu item at all. Debug output shows that:

  1. When you move amongst context menu items, NVDA’s UIA support system will try to fetch nearest text, which happens to be the top result.
  2. Once the “text” is gathered, it’ll speak it.
  3. NVDA will then notice that item selection UIA event was fired and will look for focus movement.
  4. NVDA will announce menu item you’ve moved to.

Ultimately, according to UI Automation (not NVDA), Start menu context menu is a list powered by Edge, hence the confusion.

As for tile movements, this is because NVDA does not support UIA dragging events. I’ll cook up something that’ll at least let NVDA note down drag events for further analysis (it’ll be done this way first because I’m about to enter feature freeze for WintenApps 18.04).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Hi.  I can confirm this.  I tried with three apps specifically, Thunderbird, This pc and Device manager.  when you press the context menu and arrow up or down, the first two letters of the app is spoken in conjunction with the context menu items, for example, "thwrite message" for Thunderbird.  Cheers!

 

On 3/20/2018 11:17 PM, Ronald J Glaser wrote:

Using a snap shot of nvda the out look speaking the first part still exsists as well. so I also again do agree with chrsi, this has to be a nvda issue

 

On 3/20/2018 9:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.



-- 
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Makes The Day Go Right!

 


Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I  am on NVDA 2018.1, Windows 10 Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.309) and can replicate the context menu issue Chris highlighted when using the search box.  In my case I searched for the Calculator app and when I arrow down the menu contents, variable portions of the word calculator  precede the menu items when voiced by NVDA.  For example I hear Calc pin to start menu and Calcu Share.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: 20 March 2018 14:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

 

It is slightly odd as I have identical Windows version and NVDA with latest Essentials Addon. Despite  this I am completely unable to reproduce your Outlook problem with the start menu and the application key.

If I start typing Outlook and then bring up the application key,   the context menus all read entirely normally.

This seems to suggest that there may be something local to your setup causing this.

I am using Eloquence synth derived from my old Kurzweil  installation but I am not sure if this should make any difference.

I never attempt to rearrange the Desktop so I cannot comment on the second issue you raise.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 20 March 2018 14:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.

 


Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  I can confirm this.  I tried with three apps specifically, Thunderbird, This pc and Device manager.  when you press the context menu and arrow up or down, the first two letters of the app is spoken in conjunction with the context menu items, for example, "thwrite message" for Thunderbird.  Cheers!


On 3/20/2018 11:17 PM, Ronald J Glaser wrote:

Using a snap shot of nvda the out look speaking the first part still exsists as well. so I also again do agree with chrsi, this has to be a nvda issue


On 3/20/2018 9:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.


-- 
a friend like  You
Makes The Day Go Right!


Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Ronald J Glaser
 

Using a snap shot of nvda the out look speaking the first part still exsists as well. so I also again do agree with chrsi, this has to be a nvda issue


On 3/20/2018 9:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.


-- 
a friend like  You
Makes The Day Go Right!


Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Ronald J Glaser
 

I can confirm what chris, is saying here when searching for outlook 2016 I have the same build of  windows ten as chris, has and yes this does happen. I tried  with thunderbird and that does nto exibit the same behavior as the out situation does, I also second chris's request for the alt and shft keys to tekk us what part we are moving the tiles to.



On 3/20/2018 9:46 AM, David Griffith wrote:

 

It is slightly odd as I have identical Windows version and NVDA with latest Essentials Addon. Despite  this I am completely unable to reproduce your Outlook problem with the start menu and the application key.

If I start typing Outlook and then bring up the application key,   the context menus all read entirely normally.

This seems to suggest that there may be something local to your setup causing this.

I am using Eloquence synth derived from my old Kurzweil  installation but I am not sure if this should make any difference.

I never attempt to rearrange the Desktop so I cannot comment on the second issue you raise.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 20 March 2018 14:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.

 


-- 
a friend like  You
Makes The Day Go Right!


Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

David Griffith
 

 

It is slightly odd as I have identical Windows version and NVDA with latest Essentials Addon. Despite  this I am completely unable to reproduce your Outlook problem with the start menu and the application key.

If I start typing Outlook and then bring up the application key,   the context menus all read entirely normally.

This seems to suggest that there may be something local to your setup causing this.

I am using Eloquence synth derived from my old Kurzweil  installation but I am not sure if this should make any difference.

I never attempt to rearrange the Desktop so I cannot comment on the second issue you raise.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 20 March 2018 14:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.

 


A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.