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Re: Choosing a Laptop

enes sarıbaş
 

the reason that toshiba is not mentioned is that they have withdrawn from the pc market for consumer systems. Toshiba got bankrupted after the accounting scandal


On 3/20/2018 9:27 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Surprisingly, nobody has mentioned Toshiba.

Very well built, everything is 100% accessible and there is even the ability to configure bios settings from within windows using the hw utility.


Hp laptops are, unless business class, poorly built and prone to hinge failure a few years down the road in my experience.


If you really want a nice device, check out the surface book. You can get the first generation which still holds up quite well or the 2nd generation - either way you go, you're getting one heck of a computer that will last you and with none of the junk from other manufacturer, just windows.


On 20-Mar-2018 1:15 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Usually, however  the audio is not as good in my experiences.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

I once had a chat with someone on the HP Support desk who said  that business class laptops are designed to be more robust than those for the home market.  My Hp is now over 6 years old, used evry day and still going strong.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronald J Glaser
Sent: 20 March 2018 16:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

I own two lenovo computers and I am very happy with them they are business class computers but well worth it.

 

On 3/20/2018 11:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I see what you mean now. Yes, for what she wants to do, it'
s better for her to have something that will last for a long time. I've heard that Lenovo is a very good brand.
 
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Well, she is taking up software engineering, which means that she needs a machine that can handle intensive work loads when she writes her programs.  She needs the space to install the programming environments that she will be working in, which includes IDEs, Debuggers and a lot of storage space because  the writeten programs itself takes up a considerable amount of space, ram and memory.  Furthermore, Lenovo is one of the longest lasting machines out there.  I've had mine for almost
4 years now and it is still performing to it's high standards.  I bought mine for around the same price, might be a bit less, but I've had no issues with my lenovo machine even though I use it for my programming work, plus music production work almost daily.  Sometimes, it is helpful to ourselves to pay for something that lasts, pick our pocket once, but never have to worry about longevity and reliability for at least a few years.  Cheers!
 
 
On 3/20/2018 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That sounds like it's very expensive.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Don H
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
 
On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended 
them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I 
think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X3
8
0-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
 
I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a 
fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a 
Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each 
one under
$100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this 
laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about
$84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?
 
On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of 
lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software 
development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new 
laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a 
little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. 
I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so 
I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several 
disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I 
can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer 
doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing 
lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with 
Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if 
that seems better. I would also be happy with something running 
Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM.
There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or 
where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being 
used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is 
low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good 
payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a 
laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For 
those on software
development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for 
a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.
 
 
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Re: NVDA and dollars and cents

Don H
 

Happens in word 2003 and on my banking web sites using Google Chrome. Using either access 32 or the Microsoft one core voices.

On 3/20/2018 5:06 PM, Sam Taylor wrote:
Hi,
In what program, excel, word, notepad, etc? And with what synthesizer?
On 21/03/2018 05:56, Don H wrote:
Running NVDA 2018-1 on a Win 10 64 bit system.  NVDA seems to be inconsistent when it comes to reading numbers that start with the dollar sign.  An example would be reading down a list of such numbers.  On the first number NVDA will read it as 150 dollars and 50 cents.  If you arrow down the next number NVDA may say 250 dollars and 75 and start to say cents but cuts it off not saying cents.  Sighted help says both numbers are formatted in the same way.  Arrow down to the next number and NVDA will or may not read the dollars and cents completely.  Not a big issue but a little strange in what is spoken.




Re: NVDA and dollars and cents

Sam Taylor
 

Hi,

In what program, excel, word, notepad, etc? And with what synthesizer?



On 21/03/2018 05:56, Don H wrote:
Running NVDA 2018-1 on a Win 10 64 bit system.  NVDA seems to be inconsistent when it comes to reading numbers that start with the dollar sign.  An example would be reading down a list of such numbers.  On the first number NVDA will read it as 150 dollars and 50 cents.  If you arrow down the next number NVDA may say 250 dollars and 75 and start to say cents but cuts it off not saying cents.  Sighted help says both numbers are formatted in the same way.  Arrow down to the next number and NVDA will or may not read the dollars and cents completely.  Not a big issue but a little strange in what is spoken.





NVDA and dollars and cents

Don H
 

Running NVDA 2018-1 on a Win 10 64 bit system. NVDA seems to be inconsistent when it comes to reading numbers that start with the dollar sign. An example would be reading down a list of such numbers. On the first number NVDA will read it as 150 dollars and 50 cents. If you arrow down the next number NVDA may say 250 dollars and 75 and start to say cents but cuts it off not saying cents. Sighted help says both numbers are formatted in the same way. Arrow down to the next number and NVDA will or may not read the dollars and cents completely. Not a big issue but a little strange in what is spoken.


Re: Choosing a Laptop

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I love my  toshiba.
when I bought it was the top of the line.
it's doing good after 9 years.
knock on wood.
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 12:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Surprisingly, nobody has mentioned Toshiba.

Very well built, everything is 100% accessible and there is even the ability to configure bios settings from within windows using the hw utility.


Hp laptops are, unless business class, poorly built and prone to hinge failure a few years down the road in my experience.


If you really want a nice device, check out the surface book. You can get the first generation which still holds up quite well or the 2nd generation - either way you go, you're getting one heck of a computer that will last you and with none of the junk from other manufacturer, just windows.


On 20-Mar-2018 1:15 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Usually, however  the audio is not as good in my experiences.

Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

I once had a chat with someone on the HP Support desk who said  that business class laptops are designed to be more robust than those for the home market.  My Hp is now over 6 years old, used evry day and still going strong.

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronald J Glaser
Sent: 20 March 2018 16:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

I own two lenovo computers and I am very happy with them they are business class computers but well worth it.

On 3/20/2018 11:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I see what you mean now. Yes, for what she wants to do, it'
s better for her to have something that will last for a long time. I've heard that Lenovo is a very good brand.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Well, she is taking up software engineering, which means that she needs a machine that can handle intensive work loads when she writes her programs.  She needs the space to install the programming environments that she will be working in, which includes IDEs, Debuggers and a lot of storage space because  the writeten programs itself takes up a considerable amount of space, ram and memory.  Furthermore, Lenovo is one of the longest lasting machines out there.  I've had mine for almost
4 years now and it is still performing to it's high standards.  I bought mine for around the same price, might be a bit less, but I've had no issues with my lenovo machine even though I use it for my programming work, plus music production work almost daily.  Sometimes, it is helpful to ourselves to pay for something that lasts, pick our pocket once, but never have to worry about longevity and reliability for at least a few years.  Cheers!
 
 
On 3/20/2018 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That sounds like it's very expensive.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Don H
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
 
On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended 
them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I 
think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X3
8
0-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
 
I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a 
fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a 
Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each 
one under
$100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this 
laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about
$84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?
 
On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of 
lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software 
development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new 
laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a 
little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. 
I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so 
I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several 
disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I 
can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer 
doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing 
lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with 
Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if 
that seems better. I would also be happy with something running 
Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM.
There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or 
where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being 
used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is 
low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good 
payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a 
laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For 
those on software
development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for 
a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.
 
 
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Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

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It sounds to me like it does not work very logically... But then I was never convinced about its suitability from the start.
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From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1


Yeah. This PC plus the item you land on. Crazy how UIA works. Wish I had a better understanding of how it works.

Lino Morales

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland<mailto:clgilland07@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

What do you mean, Lino? Are you saying that when you get into the context menu, as you arrow through the menu, all you hear is, “This PC”?

Sorry about that, bro. Can you be a little more specific?

Chris.


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From: Lino Morales<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 12:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Well in my case I hear this PC when I am in the context menu.

Lino Morales

From: Jaffar Sidek<mailto:jaffar.sidek10@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1


Hi. I can confirm this. I tried with three apps specifically, Thunderbird, This pc and Device manager. when you press the context menu and arrow up or down, the first two letters of the app is spoken in conjunction with the context menu items, for example, "thwrite message" for Thunderbird. Cheers!

On 3/20/2018 11:17 PM, Ronald J Glaser wrote:

Using a snap shot of nvda the out look speaking the first part still exsists as well. so I also again do agree with chrsi, this has to be a nvda issue

On 3/20/2018 9:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Hey there guys.

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

Firstly, my build of Windows:

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

Chris.


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Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

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Do you have perhaps different sizes set for the fonts or different display settings?
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1


Strangeness! Everyone else has been able to reproduce this. Now, I’m totally totally! At a loss!

Chris.


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From: David Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 10:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1


It is slightly odd as I have identical Windows version and NVDA with latest Essentials Addon. Despite this I am completely unable to reproduce your Outlook problem with the start menu and the application key.
If I start typing Outlook and then bring up the application key, the context menus all read entirely normally.
This seems to suggest that there may be something local to your setup causing this.
I am using Eloquence synth derived from my old Kurzweil installation but I am not sure if this should make any difference.
I never attempt to rearrange the Desktop so I cannot comment on the second issue you raise.
David Griffith
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From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 20 March 2018 14:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Hey there guys.

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

Firstly, my build of Windows:

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

Chris.


Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

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Ah you are experiencing the joys of windows 10.
I on the other hand using windows 7 only notice one oddity. When in some save dialogues, I type in a file name and often, but not always, I hear 'a' said at the start of the file name as it saves. Not totally annoying but weird.
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From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgilland07@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1


Hey there guys.

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

Firstly, my build of Windows:

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

Chris.


Re: using facebook as a blind(how to mension someone, how to tag someone...)

Christopher Bartlett
 

I also use the m.facebook.com page, but it doesn't appear to support @mentions or tagging, except through a laborious process involving a separate link, unlike the typing @ solution that is available through the main site.


On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:

Whenever I use FaceBook, I do alt + D and that puts me in the address bar, and I replace the WWW with an M and that makes the page much easier to use.

It would be nice if we could set the browser to always use the mobile page by default.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using facebook as a blind(how to mension someone, how to tag someone...)

 

Hi,

 

Go to www.accessisilitycentral.net, there's a tutorial for using Facebook with NVDA.

 

Tony

 

On 3/15/2018 1:59 PM, J.G wrote:

Hello,

may be this topic was already discussed but anyway... I was not regular fb user but now I must learn it as much as possible due to job reasons. I use Firefox with NVDA as my combination of web browser and screen reader.
can anyone help me with materials, from which I could learn or give me tips and treacks how to mension someone/fb page, how to tag someone, how to manage a fb page/ community effectively etc.
any suggestion will be appreciated.

kind regards, Jožef

 




--
Christopher Bartlett


Re: using facebook as a blind(how to mension someone, how to tag someone...)

Ervin, Glenn
 

Whenever I use FaceBook, I do alt + D and that puts me in the address bar, and I replace the WWW with an M and that makes the page much easier to use.

It would be nice if we could set the browser to always use the mobile page by default.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using facebook as a blind(how to mension someone, how to tag someone...)

 

Hi,

 

Go to www.accessisilitycentral.net, there's a tutorial for using Facebook with NVDA.

 

Tony

 

On 3/15/2018 1:59 PM, J.G wrote:

Hello,

may be this topic was already discussed but anyway... I was not regular fb user but now I must learn it as much as possible due to job reasons. I use Firefox with NVDA as my combination of web browser and screen reader.
can anyone help me with materials, from which I could learn or give me tips and treacks how to mension someone/fb page, how to tag someone, how to manage a fb page/ community effectively etc.
any suggestion will be appreciated.

kind regards, Jožef

 


Re: Choosing a Laptop

Ervin, Glenn
 

My work Dell laptop is actually quite robust and generally reliable.

But the Dell towers that the state has purchased have been crap, such as built-in card readers dropping in and out of functionality, and CD/DVD drive issues.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

Surprisingly, nobody has mentioned Toshiba.

Very well built, everything is 100% accessible and there is even the ability to configure bios settings from within windows using the hw utility.

 

Hp laptops are, unless business class, poorly built and prone to hinge failure a few years down the road in my experience.

 

If you really want a nice device, check out the surface book. You can get the first generation which still holds up quite well or the 2nd generation - either way you go, you're getting one heck of a computer that will last you and with none of the junk from other manufacturer, just windows.

 

On 20-Mar-2018 1:15 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Usually, however  the audio is not as good in my experiences.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

I once had a chat with someone on the HP Support desk who said  that business class laptops are designed to be more robust than those for the home market.  My Hp is now over 6 years old, used evry day and still going strong.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronald J Glaser
Sent: 20 March 2018 16:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

I own two lenovo computers and I am very happy with them they are business class computers but well worth it.

 

On 3/20/2018 11:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I see what you mean now. Yes, for what she wants to do, it'
s better for her to have something that will last for a long time. I've heard that Lenovo is a very good brand.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Well, she is taking up software engineering, which means that she needs a machine that can handle intensive work loads when she writes her programs.  She needs the space to install the programming environments that she will be working in, which includes IDEs, Debuggers and a lot of storage space because  the writeten programs itself takes up a considerable amount of space, ram and memory.  Furthermore, Lenovo is one of the longest lasting machines out there.  I've had mine for almost
4 years now and it is still performing to it's high standards.  I bought mine for around the same price, might be a bit less, but I've had no issues with my lenovo machine even though I use it for my programming work, plus music production work almost daily.  Sometimes, it is helpful to ourselves to pay for something that lasts, pick our pocket once, but never have to worry about longevity and reliability for at least a few years.  Cheers!
 
 
On 3/20/2018 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That sounds like it's very expensive.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Don H
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
 
On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended 
them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I 
think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X3
8
0-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
 
I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a 
fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a 
Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each 
one under
$100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this 
laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about
$84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?
 
On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of 
lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software 
development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new 
laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a 
little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. 
I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so 
I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several 
disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I 
can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer 
doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing 
lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with 
Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if 
that seems better. I would also be happy with something running 
Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM.
There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or 
where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being 
used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is 
low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good 
payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a 
laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For 
those on software
development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for 
a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.
 
 
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Re: using facebook as a blind(how to mension someone, how to tag someone...)

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Go to www.accessisilitycentral.net, there's a tutorial for using Facebook with NVDA.


Tony


On 3/15/2018 1:59 PM, J.G wrote:
Hello,

may be this topic was already discussed but anyway... I was not regular fb user but now I must learn it as much as possible due to job reasons. I use Firefox with NVDA as my combination of web browser and screen reader.
can anyone help me with materials, from which I could learn or give me tips and treacks how to mension someone/fb page, how to tag someone, how to manage a fb page/ community effectively etc.
any suggestion will be appreciated.

kind regards, Jožef


Re: Tips for Using Thunderbird v52.6 with NVDA 2018.1?

Tony Ballou
 

Howdy,


There's a tutorial for using Thunderbird with NVDA available from www.accessibilitycentral.net


Tony


On 3/15/2018 3:32 PM, Kenny wrote:

I've finally decided to give up my Eudora Pro v7.1 email client for Thunderbird. I'm pleasantly surprised how accessible it is using NVDA 2018.1.


I'm now wanting to become more efficient in reading/navigating messages.


In JAWS, I simply created a frame for the Eudora Pro view message window that was automatically read each time I highlighted a new message subject using the up and down arrow keys.


If I wanted to read the entire message body, I just hit [Enter] on the subject. Very quick and efficient.


The message preview pain for Thunderbird doesn't seem to be readable though using the NVDA review cursor.


Is there any way to configure Thunderbird v52.6 in a way where I could quickly read the message body preview and jump to the next message in the conversation quickly?


I'm very new to both NVDA and Thunderbird, so any configuration tips, keyboard shortcuts etc suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks.



Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Strangeness! Everyone else has been able to reproduce this. Now, I’m totally totally! At a loss!

 

Chris.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 10:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

 

It is slightly odd as I have identical Windows version and NVDA with latest Essentials Addon. Despite  this I am completely unable to reproduce your Outlook problem with the start menu and the application key.

If I start typing Outlook and then bring up the application key,   the context menus all read entirely normally.

This seems to suggest that there may be something local to your setup causing this.

I am using Eloquence synth derived from my old Kurzweil  installation but I am not sure if this should make any difference.

I never attempt to rearrange the Desktop so I cannot comment on the second issue you raise.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 20 March 2018 14:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.

 

 


Re: games that work withnvda

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Check out the poker games on the RS games website, and Quentin C'S
playroom.  Both work with NVDA.


Tony

On 3/15/2018 5:26 PM, Don H wrote:
Anyone know of a video poker game that works with NVDA on a Win 10
system?
Thanks




Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Joseph, that’s perfectly fine. There’s absolutely no rush, bro. take your time. I appreciate very much what you are continually doing for the NVDA and the Windows 10 community. Further,I appreciate you looking further into this matter.

 

Chris.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Hi,

This is because UIA isn’t treating it as a context menu item at all. Debug output shows that:

  1. When you move amongst context menu items, NVDA’s UIA support system will try to fetch nearest text, which happens to be the top result.
  2. Once the “text” is gathered, it’ll speak it.
  3. NVDA will then notice that item selection UIA event was fired and will look for focus movement.
  4. NVDA will announce menu item you’ve moved to.

Ultimately, according to UI Automation (not NVDA), Start menu context menu is a list powered by Edge, hence the confusion.

As for tile movements, this is because NVDA does not support UIA dragging events. I’ll cook up something that’ll at least let NVDA note down drag events for further analysis (it’ll be done this way first because I’m about to enter feature freeze for WintenApps 18.04).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Hi.  I can confirm this.  I tried with three apps specifically, Thunderbird, This pc and Device manager.  when you press the context menu and arrow up or down, the first two letters of the app is spoken in conjunction with the context menu items, for example, "thwrite message" for Thunderbird.  Cheers!

 

On 3/20/2018 11:17 PM, Ronald J Glaser wrote:

Using a snap shot of nvda the out look speaking the first part still exsists as well. so I also again do agree with chrsi, this has to be a nvda issue

 

On 3/20/2018 9:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.

 

-- 
a friend like  You
Makes The Day Go Right!

 

 


Re: Choosing a Laptop

Gene
 

Toshiba doesn't make laptops anymore.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Surprisingly, nobody has mentioned Toshiba.

Very well built, everything is 100% accessible and there is even the ability to configure bios settings from within windows using the hw utility.


Hp laptops are, unless business class, poorly built and prone to hinge failure a few years down the road in my experience.


If you really want a nice device, check out the surface book. You can get the first generation which still holds up quite well or the 2nd generation - either way you go, you're getting one heck of a computer that will last you and with none of the junk from other manufacturer, just windows.


On 20-Mar-2018 1:15 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Usually, however  the audio is not as good in my experiences.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

I once had a chat with someone on the HP Support desk who said  that business class laptops are designed to be more robust than those for the home market.  My Hp is now over 6 years old, used evry day and still going strong.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronald J Glaser
Sent: 20 March 2018 16:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

I own two lenovo computers and I am very happy with them they are business class computers but well worth it.

 

On 3/20/2018 11:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I see what you mean now. Yes, for what she wants to do, it'
s better for her to have something that will last for a long time. I've heard that Lenovo is a very good brand.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Well, she is taking up software engineering, which means that she needs a machine that can handle intensive work loads when she writes her programs.  She needs the space to install the programming environments that she will be working in, which includes IDEs, Debuggers and a lot of storage space because  the writeten programs itself takes up a considerable amount of space, ram and memory.  Furthermore, Lenovo is one of the longest lasting machines out there.  I've had mine for almost
4 years now and it is still performing to it's high standards.  I bought mine for around the same price, might be a bit less, but I've had no issues with my lenovo machine even though I use it for my programming work, plus music production work almost daily.  Sometimes, it is helpful to ourselves to pay for something that lasts, pick our pocket once, but never have to worry about longevity and reliability for at least a few years.  Cheers!
 
 
On 3/20/2018 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That sounds like it's very expensive.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Don H
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
 
On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended 
them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I 
think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X3
8
0-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
 
I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a 
fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a 
Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each 
one under
$100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this 
laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about
$84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?
 
On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of 
lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software 
development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new 
laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a 
little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. 
I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so 
I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several 
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Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

You know something, Lino? Wow! I didn’t even think about the UIA possibility. You may actually be on to something here. Joseph? Anyone else who’s an NVDA or an NVDA addon dev care to elaborate/explain further what may be going on here in this situation specifically?

 

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From: Lino Morales
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Yeah. This PC plus the item you land on. Crazy how UIA works. Wish I had a better understanding of how it works.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

What do you mean, Lino? Are you saying that when you get into the context menu, as you arrow through the menu, all you hear is, “This PC”?

 

Sorry about that, bro. Can you be a little more specific?

 

Chris.

 

 

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From: Lino Morales
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 12:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Well in my case I hear this PC when I am in the context menu.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Hi.  I can confirm this.  I tried with three apps specifically, Thunderbird, This pc and Device manager.  when you press the context menu and arrow up or down, the first two letters of the app is spoken in conjunction with the context menu items, for example, "thwrite message" for Thunderbird.  Cheers!

 

On 3/20/2018 11:17 PM, Ronald J Glaser wrote:

Using a snap shot of nvda the out look speaking the first part still exsists as well. so I also again do agree with chrsi, this has to be a nvda issue

 

On 3/20/2018 9:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.

 

-- 
a friend like  You
Makes The Day Go Right!

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Lino Morales
 

Yeah. This PC plus the item you land on. Crazy how UIA works. Wish I had a better understanding of how it works.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

What do you mean, Lino? Are you saying that when you get into the context menu, as you arrow through the menu, all you hear is, “This PC”?

 

Sorry about that, bro. Can you be a little more specific?

 

Chris.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Lino Morales
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 12:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Well in my case I hear this PC when I am in the context menu.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Hi.  I can confirm this.  I tried with three apps specifically, Thunderbird, This pc and Device manager.  when you press the context menu and arrow up or down, the first two letters of the app is spoken in conjunction with the context menu items, for example, "thwrite message" for Thunderbird.  Cheers!

 

On 3/20/2018 11:17 PM, Ronald J Glaser wrote:

Using a snap shot of nvda the out look speaking the first part still exsists as well. so I also again do agree with chrsi, this has to be a nvda issue

 

On 3/20/2018 9:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.

 

-- 
a friend like  You
Makes The Day Go Right!

 

 

 

 


Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

What do you mean, Lino? Are you saying that when you get into the context menu, as you arrow through the menu, all you hear is, “This PC”?

 

Sorry about that, bro. Can you be a little more specific?

 

Chris.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Lino Morales
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 12:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Well in my case I hear this PC when I am in the context menu.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Hi.  I can confirm this.  I tried with three apps specifically, Thunderbird, This pc and Device manager.  when you press the context menu and arrow up or down, the first two letters of the app is spoken in conjunction with the context menu items, for example, "thwrite message" for Thunderbird.  Cheers!

 

On 3/20/2018 11:17 PM, Ronald J Glaser wrote:

Using a snap shot of nvda the out look speaking the first part still exsists as well. so I also again do agree with chrsi, this has to be a nvda issue

 

On 3/20/2018 9:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.

 

-- 
a friend like  You
Makes The Day Go Right!