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Re: [EXTERNAL] [nvda] Accessible pdf

 

An overdue update on this situation. I know now that the file in question has tow passwords. There is one to open it, and one to edit it. I will ask for the password for editing, and see if pdf exchange viewer can work with it. The recognition might not be good though. I will find out.





On 1/9/2018 5:23 PM, Kristin K wrote:
Hi - I have Acrobat Professional. I can try it if you'd like

Kristin Knudson | Senior Accessibility Analyst
c 410-294-3228 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [nvda] Accessible pdf

 Hello:
I have a book in .pdf format. However, it was scanned as images. Are there any free options that would allow me to OCR the whole file? It is almost 100 megs in size. It is pretty important that I be able to read this file, and possibly others from same source. Of course, I told the person who provided the file to me. Meanwhile, are there options for dealing with this now? 

If someone has adobe acrobat pro, could I possibly send the file to you and you OCR it and send it back? I'm thinking through all options. If anyone can help, it is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.


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Re: Choosing a Laptop

 

I have been avoiding lenovo because of issues with spyware on the news and a lot of bloat, the hp entry level my aunt has seems ok but could be better, sound wize, and I was thinking of either an asus which seem to have better sound or another hp entertainment powerhouse for myself.

So with lenovo, is there anything to watch out for driver updates, etc, and how good is their support?

Lenovo and dell are the only manufacturers I can customise with, so I technically could buy a business class or entertainment class, and juice it up vertually then buy it complete, I may look and see what I find.

On 21/03/2018 7:15 a.m., Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Usually, however the audio is not as good in my experiences.
Glenn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

I once had a chat with someone on the HP Support desk who said that business class laptops are designed to be more robust than those for the home market. My Hp is now over 6 years old, used evry day and still going strong.

Cheers
Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronald J Glaser
Sent: 20 March 2018 16:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop


I own two lenovo computers and I am very happy with them they are business class computers but well worth it.

On 3/20/2018 11:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I see what you mean now. Yes, for what she wants to do, it'

s better for her to have something that will last for a long time. I've heard that Lenovo is a very good brand.







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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek

Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:45 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop



Well, she is taking up software engineering, which means that she needs a machine that can handle intensive work loads when she writes her programs. She needs the space to install the programming environments that she will be working in, which includes IDEs, Debuggers and a lot of storage space because the writeten programs itself takes up a considerable amount of space, ram and memory. Furthermore, Lenovo is one of the longest lasting machines out there. I've had mine for almost

4 years now and it is still performing to it's high standards. I bought mine for around the same price, might be a bit less, but I've had no issues with my lenovo machine even though I use it for my programming work, plus music production work almost daily. Sometimes, it is helpful to ourselves to pay for something that lasts, pick our pocket once, but never have to worry about longevity and reliability for at least a few years. Cheers!





On 3/20/2018 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

That sounds like it's very expensive.







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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

Don H

Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:36 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop



I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.



On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:

I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended

them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I

think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:

https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X3

8

0-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS



I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a

fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a

Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each

one under

$100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this

laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about

$84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?



On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:

How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328







-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

Lanie Molinar

Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop



Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of

lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software

development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new

laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a

little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for.

I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so

I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several

disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I

can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer

doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing

lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with

Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if

that seems better. I would also be happy with something running

Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM.

There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or

where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being

used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is

low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good

payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a

laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For

those on software

development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for

a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.





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Re: Choosing a Laptop

Gene
 

That would be the easiest way if you want to use the touchpad as quickly and easily as possible.  The hinge is a good idea.  Most of the time, you can disable the touchpad.  I don't know how it may differ depending on the version of Windows or the brand or model of computer.  In my case, I can disable or enable it from the system tray.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

    Great minds think alike, gene. <smile>
I cut a piece of cardboard the size of the touchpad on my HP 8440P and used a piece of adhesive tape from one end of the cardboard to the surface of the laptop.  The tape acts like a hinge.  On the rare occasions that I need to use the touchpad, I simply flip the cardboard out of the way, and then flip it back in place after I’m done with the touchpad.  It looks a little crude, I guess, but it works perfectly.  I had to experiment a bit to find cardboard thick enough to disable the touchpad.  In my case, the cardboard I settled on is a little thicker than a playing card.
 
George
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
I misunderstood the message.  I thought the numpad was being discussed.  I agree that that is a design flaw and that the option should be available.  but contempt really isn't a good description.
 
In addition, it's easy enough to stop the problem.  You can just put something like a piece of cardboard over the touchpad.  I don't know if a piece of paper is thick enough. 
 
If a Dell had some feature or advantage I thought mattered enough to be meaningful, I wouldn't deprive myself of it just because of this minor inconvenience.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Most touchpads have a setting where if a physical mouse is plugged in
the touch pad is disabled.  I have a wireless mouse plugged into one of
my USB ports and the touch pad stays off.

On 3/19/2018 5:38 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
> I wonder if it could be turned off in the BIOS.
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
> *Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, March 19, 2018 5:36 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
>
> If you are an N V D A user, don't buy a Dell!
>
> My blind client bought a new Dell last year. It wasn't a major effort to
> get N V D A installed, but then I found that every time you rebooted,
> the touchpad turned itself back on. I called Dell support, and they told
> me there was no way to turn it off permanently. Since it was "obvious"
> that nobody really wanted to turn it off permanently, they designed it
> to always turn on when rebooted.
>
> That is a design defect that can only come from a company who holds its
> customers in contempt.
>
> I opened the case, and unplugged the touchpad. If you are blind, that is
> probably something you would have to have a sighted person do for you.
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria
> <knitqueen2007@... <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>> wrote:
>
> Wow, that's a great price for a lap top. A friend of mine got one from
> Dell and he's still paying on it since 2009.
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of
> *Josh Kennedy
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 18, 2018 9:12 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
>
> I got a very good laptop off amazon, it is brand new. it only cost me
> $290. windows10 home, AMD a6 quad core, 4gigs ram, 500gb hard drive. dvd
> burner. radeon r4 graphics. runs all my games, word processor apps,
> spreadsheets, and works well with dictation bridge and speech
> recognition. here is the link.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01NBE6Y5D/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1521389339&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=laptop+with+amd+a6&dpPl=1&dpID=41XfHrTqzbL&ref=plSrch
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Howard Lee Harkness
> 918-416-1420
>
> http://howardleeharkness.com
>
>




Re: Choosing a Laptop

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

    Great minds think alike, gene. <smile>
I cut a piece of cardboard the size of the touchpad on my HP 8440P and used a piece of adhesive tape from one end of the cardboard to the surface of the laptop.  The tape acts like a hinge.  On the rare occasions that I need to use the touchpad, I simply flip the cardboard out of the way, and then flip it back in place after I’m done with the touchpad.  It looks a little crude, I guess, but it works perfectly.  I had to experiment a bit to find cardboard thick enough to disable the touchpad.  In my case, the cardboard I settled on is a little thicker than a playing card.
 
George
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
I misunderstood the message.  I thought the numpad was being discussed.  I agree that that is a design flaw and that the option should be available.  but contempt really isn't a good description.
 
In addition, it's easy enough to stop the problem.  You can just put something like a piece of cardboard over the touchpad.  I don't know if a piece of paper is thick enough. 
 
If a Dell had some feature or advantage I thought mattered enough to be meaningful, I wouldn't deprive myself of it just because of this minor inconvenience.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Most touchpads have a setting where if a physical mouse is plugged in
the touch pad is disabled.  I have a wireless mouse plugged into one of
my USB ports and the touch pad stays off.

On 3/19/2018 5:38 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
> I wonder if it could be turned off in the BIOS.
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
> *Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, March 19, 2018 5:36 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
>
> If you are an N V D A user, don't buy a Dell!
>
> My blind client bought a new Dell last year. It wasn't a major effort to
> get N V D A installed, but then I found that every time you rebooted,
> the touchpad turned itself back on. I called Dell support, and they told
> me there was no way to turn it off permanently. Since it was "obvious"
> that nobody really wanted to turn it off permanently, they designed it
> to always turn on when rebooted.
>
> That is a design defect that can only come from a company who holds its
> customers in contempt.
>
> I opened the case, and unplugged the touchpad. If you are blind, that is
> probably something you would have to have a sighted person do for you.
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria
> <knitqueen2007@... <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>> wrote:
>
> Wow, that's a great price for a lap top. A friend of mine got one from
> Dell and he's still paying on it since 2009.
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of
> *Josh Kennedy
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 18, 2018 9:12 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
>
> I got a very good laptop off amazon, it is brand new. it only cost me
> $290. windows10 home, AMD a6 quad core, 4gigs ram, 500gb hard drive. dvd
> burner. radeon r4 graphics. runs all my games, word processor apps,
> spreadsheets, and works well with dictation bridge and speech
> recognition. here is the link.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01NBE6Y5D/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1521389339&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=laptop+with+amd+a6&dpPl=1&dpID=41XfHrTqzbL&ref=plSrch
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Howard Lee Harkness
> 918-416-1420
>
> http://howardleeharkness.com
>
>




Eloquence 3.3

Jacques Jumonville <jpjino885@...>
 

I got eloquence 3.3 working with nvda in the past by resetting nvda to
factory defaults and this used to work. However, recently when I tried
to switch to old eloquence I got a message saying could not load the
old eloquence synthesizer. If there is a solution to this problem,
please email a working link to me so I can have a working copy again.


Re: NVDA and dollars and cents

John Isige
 

I put the following list in Notepad.


$577.30
$250.19
$21.67
$5.99


With Microsoft 1-core voices, specifically Microsoft Mark, this reads
just fine arrowing through it, and nothing gets cut off. Similarly, with
a say-all or whatever it is, NVDA-down arrow, it also reads just fine.

On 3/20/2018 17:28, Don H wrote:
Happens in word 2003 and on my banking web sites using Google Chrome.
Using either access 32 or the Microsoft one core voices.

On 3/20/2018 5:06 PM, Sam Taylor wrote:
Hi,

In what program, excel, word, notepad, etc? And with what synthesizer?



On 21/03/2018 05:56, Don H wrote:
Running NVDA 2018-1 on a Win 10 64 bit system.  NVDA seems to be
inconsistent when it comes to reading numbers that start with the
dollar sign.  An example would be reading down a list of such
numbers.  On the first number NVDA will read it as 150 dollars and
50 cents.  If you arrow down the next number NVDA may say 250
dollars and 75 and start to say cents but cuts it off not saying
cents.  Sighted help says both numbers are formatted in the same
way.  Arrow down to the next number and NVDA will or may not read
the dollars and cents completely.  Not a big issue but a little
strange in what is spoken.





Re: Choosing a Laptop

enes sarıbaş
 

the reason that toshiba is not mentioned is that they have withdrawn from the pc market for consumer systems. Toshiba got bankrupted after the accounting scandal


On 3/20/2018 9:27 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Surprisingly, nobody has mentioned Toshiba.

Very well built, everything is 100% accessible and there is even the ability to configure bios settings from within windows using the hw utility.


Hp laptops are, unless business class, poorly built and prone to hinge failure a few years down the road in my experience.


If you really want a nice device, check out the surface book. You can get the first generation which still holds up quite well or the 2nd generation - either way you go, you're getting one heck of a computer that will last you and with none of the junk from other manufacturer, just windows.


On 20-Mar-2018 1:15 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Usually, however  the audio is not as good in my experiences.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

I once had a chat with someone on the HP Support desk who said  that business class laptops are designed to be more robust than those for the home market.  My Hp is now over 6 years old, used evry day and still going strong.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronald J Glaser
Sent: 20 March 2018 16:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

I own two lenovo computers and I am very happy with them they are business class computers but well worth it.

 

On 3/20/2018 11:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I see what you mean now. Yes, for what she wants to do, it'
s better for her to have something that will last for a long time. I've heard that Lenovo is a very good brand.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Well, she is taking up software engineering, which means that she needs a machine that can handle intensive work loads when she writes her programs.  She needs the space to install the programming environments that she will be working in, which includes IDEs, Debuggers and a lot of storage space because  the writeten programs itself takes up a considerable amount of space, ram and memory.  Furthermore, Lenovo is one of the longest lasting machines out there.  I've had mine for almost
4 years now and it is still performing to it's high standards.  I bought mine for around the same price, might be a bit less, but I've had no issues with my lenovo machine even though I use it for my programming work, plus music production work almost daily.  Sometimes, it is helpful to ourselves to pay for something that lasts, pick our pocket once, but never have to worry about longevity and reliability for at least a few years.  Cheers!
 
 
On 3/20/2018 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That sounds like it's very expensive.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Don H
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
 
On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended 
them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I 
think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X3
8
0-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
 
I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a 
fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a 
Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each 
one under
$100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this 
laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about
$84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?
 
On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of 
lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software 
development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new 
laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a 
little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. 
I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so 
I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several 
disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I 
can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer 
doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing 
lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with 
Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if 
that seems better. I would also be happy with something running 
Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM.
There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or 
where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being 
used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is 
low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good 
payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a 
laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For 
those on software
development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for 
a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.
 
 
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Re: NVDA and dollars and cents

Don H
 

Happens in word 2003 and on my banking web sites using Google Chrome. Using either access 32 or the Microsoft one core voices.

On 3/20/2018 5:06 PM, Sam Taylor wrote:
Hi,
In what program, excel, word, notepad, etc? And with what synthesizer?
On 21/03/2018 05:56, Don H wrote:
Running NVDA 2018-1 on a Win 10 64 bit system.  NVDA seems to be inconsistent when it comes to reading numbers that start with the dollar sign.  An example would be reading down a list of such numbers.  On the first number NVDA will read it as 150 dollars and 50 cents.  If you arrow down the next number NVDA may say 250 dollars and 75 and start to say cents but cuts it off not saying cents.  Sighted help says both numbers are formatted in the same way.  Arrow down to the next number and NVDA will or may not read the dollars and cents completely.  Not a big issue but a little strange in what is spoken.




Re: NVDA and dollars and cents

Sam Taylor
 

Hi,

In what program, excel, word, notepad, etc? And with what synthesizer?



On 21/03/2018 05:56, Don H wrote:
Running NVDA 2018-1 on a Win 10 64 bit system.  NVDA seems to be inconsistent when it comes to reading numbers that start with the dollar sign.  An example would be reading down a list of such numbers.  On the first number NVDA will read it as 150 dollars and 50 cents.  If you arrow down the next number NVDA may say 250 dollars and 75 and start to say cents but cuts it off not saying cents.  Sighted help says both numbers are formatted in the same way.  Arrow down to the next number and NVDA will or may not read the dollars and cents completely.  Not a big issue but a little strange in what is spoken.





NVDA and dollars and cents

Don H
 

Running NVDA 2018-1 on a Win 10 64 bit system. NVDA seems to be inconsistent when it comes to reading numbers that start with the dollar sign. An example would be reading down a list of such numbers. On the first number NVDA will read it as 150 dollars and 50 cents. If you arrow down the next number NVDA may say 250 dollars and 75 and start to say cents but cuts it off not saying cents. Sighted help says both numbers are formatted in the same way. Arrow down to the next number and NVDA will or may not read the dollars and cents completely. Not a big issue but a little strange in what is spoken.


Re: Choosing a Laptop

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

I love my  toshiba.
when I bought it was the top of the line.
it's doing good after 9 years.
knock on wood.
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 12:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Surprisingly, nobody has mentioned Toshiba.

Very well built, everything is 100% accessible and there is even the ability to configure bios settings from within windows using the hw utility.


Hp laptops are, unless business class, poorly built and prone to hinge failure a few years down the road in my experience.


If you really want a nice device, check out the surface book. You can get the first generation which still holds up quite well or the 2nd generation - either way you go, you're getting one heck of a computer that will last you and with none of the junk from other manufacturer, just windows.


On 20-Mar-2018 1:15 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Usually, however  the audio is not as good in my experiences.

Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

I once had a chat with someone on the HP Support desk who said  that business class laptops are designed to be more robust than those for the home market.  My Hp is now over 6 years old, used evry day and still going strong.

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronald J Glaser
Sent: 20 March 2018 16:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

I own two lenovo computers and I am very happy with them they are business class computers but well worth it.

On 3/20/2018 11:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I see what you mean now. Yes, for what she wants to do, it'
s better for her to have something that will last for a long time. I've heard that Lenovo is a very good brand.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Well, she is taking up software engineering, which means that she needs a machine that can handle intensive work loads when she writes her programs.  She needs the space to install the programming environments that she will be working in, which includes IDEs, Debuggers and a lot of storage space because  the writeten programs itself takes up a considerable amount of space, ram and memory.  Furthermore, Lenovo is one of the longest lasting machines out there.  I've had mine for almost
4 years now and it is still performing to it's high standards.  I bought mine for around the same price, might be a bit less, but I've had no issues with my lenovo machine even though I use it for my programming work, plus music production work almost daily.  Sometimes, it is helpful to ourselves to pay for something that lasts, pick our pocket once, but never have to worry about longevity and reliability for at least a few years.  Cheers!
 
 
On 3/20/2018 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That sounds like it's very expensive.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Don H
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
 
On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended 
them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I 
think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X3
8
0-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
 
I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a 
fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a 
Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each 
one under
$100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this 
laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about
$84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?
 
On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of 
lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software 
development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new 
laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a 
little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. 
I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so 
I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several 
disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I 
can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer 
doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing 
lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with 
Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if 
that seems better. I would also be happy with something running 
Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM.
There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or 
where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being 
used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is 
low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good 
payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a 
laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For 
those on software
development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for 
a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.
 
 
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Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

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It sounds to me like it does not work very logically... But then I was never convinced about its suitability from the start.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1


Yeah. This PC plus the item you land on. Crazy how UIA works. Wish I had a better understanding of how it works.

Lino Morales

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland<mailto:clgilland07@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

What do you mean, Lino? Are you saying that when you get into the context menu, as you arrow through the menu, all you hear is, “This PC”?

Sorry about that, bro. Can you be a little more specific?

Chris.


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From: Lino Morales<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 12:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Well in my case I hear this PC when I am in the context menu.

Lino Morales

From: Jaffar Sidek<mailto:jaffar.sidek10@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1


Hi. I can confirm this. I tried with three apps specifically, Thunderbird, This pc and Device manager. when you press the context menu and arrow up or down, the first two letters of the app is spoken in conjunction with the context menu items, for example, "thwrite message" for Thunderbird. Cheers!

On 3/20/2018 11:17 PM, Ronald J Glaser wrote:

Using a snap shot of nvda the out look speaking the first part still exsists as well. so I also again do agree with chrsi, this has to be a nvda issue

On 3/20/2018 9:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Hey there guys.

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

Firstly, my build of Windows:

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

Chris.


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Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

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Do you have perhaps different sizes set for the fonts or different display settings?
Brian

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From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgilland07@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1


Strangeness! Everyone else has been able to reproduce this. Now, I’m totally totally! At a loss!

Chris.


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From: David Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 10:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1


It is slightly odd as I have identical Windows version and NVDA with latest Essentials Addon. Despite this I am completely unable to reproduce your Outlook problem with the start menu and the application key.
If I start typing Outlook and then bring up the application key, the context menus all read entirely normally.
This seems to suggest that there may be something local to your setup causing this.
I am using Eloquence synth derived from my old Kurzweil installation but I am not sure if this should make any difference.
I never attempt to rearrange the Desktop so I cannot comment on the second issue you raise.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 20 March 2018 14:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Hey there guys.

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

Firstly, my build of Windows:

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

Chris.


Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

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Ah you are experiencing the joys of windows 10.
I on the other hand using windows 7 only notice one oddity. When in some save dialogues, I type in a file name and often, but not always, I hear 'a' said at the start of the file name as it saves. Not totally annoying but weird.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgilland07@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1


Hey there guys.

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

Firstly, my build of Windows:

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

Chris.


Re: using facebook as a blind(how to mension someone, how to tag someone...)

Christopher Bartlett
 

I also use the m.facebook.com page, but it doesn't appear to support @mentions or tagging, except through a laborious process involving a separate link, unlike the typing @ solution that is available through the main site.


On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:

Whenever I use FaceBook, I do alt + D and that puts me in the address bar, and I replace the WWW with an M and that makes the page much easier to use.

It would be nice if we could set the browser to always use the mobile page by default.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using facebook as a blind(how to mension someone, how to tag someone...)

 

Hi,

 

Go to www.accessisilitycentral.net, there's a tutorial for using Facebook with NVDA.

 

Tony

 

On 3/15/2018 1:59 PM, J.G wrote:

Hello,

may be this topic was already discussed but anyway... I was not regular fb user but now I must learn it as much as possible due to job reasons. I use Firefox with NVDA as my combination of web browser and screen reader.
can anyone help me with materials, from which I could learn or give me tips and treacks how to mension someone/fb page, how to tag someone, how to manage a fb page/ community effectively etc.
any suggestion will be appreciated.

kind regards, Jožef

 




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Re: using facebook as a blind(how to mension someone, how to tag someone...)

Ervin, Glenn
 

Whenever I use FaceBook, I do alt + D and that puts me in the address bar, and I replace the WWW with an M and that makes the page much easier to use.

It would be nice if we could set the browser to always use the mobile page by default.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using facebook as a blind(how to mension someone, how to tag someone...)

 

Hi,

 

Go to www.accessisilitycentral.net, there's a tutorial for using Facebook with NVDA.

 

Tony

 

On 3/15/2018 1:59 PM, J.G wrote:

Hello,

may be this topic was already discussed but anyway... I was not regular fb user but now I must learn it as much as possible due to job reasons. I use Firefox with NVDA as my combination of web browser and screen reader.
can anyone help me with materials, from which I could learn or give me tips and treacks how to mension someone/fb page, how to tag someone, how to manage a fb page/ community effectively etc.
any suggestion will be appreciated.

kind regards, Jožef

 


Re: Choosing a Laptop

Ervin, Glenn
 

My work Dell laptop is actually quite robust and generally reliable.

But the Dell towers that the state has purchased have been crap, such as built-in card readers dropping in and out of functionality, and CD/DVD drive issues.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

Surprisingly, nobody has mentioned Toshiba.

Very well built, everything is 100% accessible and there is even the ability to configure bios settings from within windows using the hw utility.

 

Hp laptops are, unless business class, poorly built and prone to hinge failure a few years down the road in my experience.

 

If you really want a nice device, check out the surface book. You can get the first generation which still holds up quite well or the 2nd generation - either way you go, you're getting one heck of a computer that will last you and with none of the junk from other manufacturer, just windows.

 

On 20-Mar-2018 1:15 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Usually, however  the audio is not as good in my experiences.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

I once had a chat with someone on the HP Support desk who said  that business class laptops are designed to be more robust than those for the home market.  My Hp is now over 6 years old, used evry day and still going strong.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronald J Glaser
Sent: 20 March 2018 16:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

 

I own two lenovo computers and I am very happy with them they are business class computers but well worth it.

 

On 3/20/2018 11:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I see what you mean now. Yes, for what she wants to do, it'
s better for her to have something that will last for a long time. I've heard that Lenovo is a very good brand.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Well, she is taking up software engineering, which means that she needs a machine that can handle intensive work loads when she writes her programs.  She needs the space to install the programming environments that she will be working in, which includes IDEs, Debuggers and a lot of storage space because  the writeten programs itself takes up a considerable amount of space, ram and memory.  Furthermore, Lenovo is one of the longest lasting machines out there.  I've had mine for almost
4 years now and it is still performing to it's high standards.  I bought mine for around the same price, might be a bit less, but I've had no issues with my lenovo machine even though I use it for my programming work, plus music production work almost daily.  Sometimes, it is helpful to ourselves to pay for something that lasts, pick our pocket once, but never have to worry about longevity and reliability for at least a few years.  Cheers!
 
 
On 3/20/2018 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That sounds like it's very expensive.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Don H
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.
 
On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended 
them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I 
think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X3
8
0-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS
 
I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a 
fingerprint reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a 
Braille notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each 
one under
$100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this 
laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about
$84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?
 
On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop
 
Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of 
lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software 
development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new 
laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a 
little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. 
I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so 
I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several 
disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I 
can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer 
doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing 
lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with 
Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if 
that seems better. I would also be happy with something running 
Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM.
There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or 
where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being 
used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is 
low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good 
payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a 
laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For 
those on software
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Re: using facebook as a blind(how to mension someone, how to tag someone...)

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Go to www.accessisilitycentral.net, there's a tutorial for using Facebook with NVDA.


Tony


On 3/15/2018 1:59 PM, J.G wrote:
Hello,

may be this topic was already discussed but anyway... I was not regular fb user but now I must learn it as much as possible due to job reasons. I use Firefox with NVDA as my combination of web browser and screen reader.
can anyone help me with materials, from which I could learn or give me tips and treacks how to mension someone/fb page, how to tag someone, how to manage a fb page/ community effectively etc.
any suggestion will be appreciated.

kind regards, Jožef


Re: Tips for Using Thunderbird v52.6 with NVDA 2018.1?

Tony Ballou
 

Howdy,


There's a tutorial for using Thunderbird with NVDA available from www.accessibilitycentral.net


Tony


On 3/15/2018 3:32 PM, Kenny wrote:

I've finally decided to give up my Eudora Pro v7.1 email client for Thunderbird. I'm pleasantly surprised how accessible it is using NVDA 2018.1.


I'm now wanting to become more efficient in reading/navigating messages.


In JAWS, I simply created a frame for the Eudora Pro view message window that was automatically read each time I highlighted a new message subject using the up and down arrow keys.


If I wanted to read the entire message body, I just hit [Enter] on the subject. Very quick and efficient.


The message preview pain for Thunderbird doesn't seem to be readable though using the NVDA review cursor.


Is there any way to configure Thunderbird v52.6 in a way where I could quickly read the message body preview and jump to the next message in the conversation quickly?


I'm very new to both NVDA and Thunderbird, so any configuration tips, keyboard shortcuts etc suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks.



Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Strangeness! Everyone else has been able to reproduce this. Now, I’m totally totally! At a loss!

 

Chris.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 10:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

 

It is slightly odd as I have identical Windows version and NVDA with latest Essentials Addon. Despite  this I am completely unable to reproduce your Outlook problem with the start menu and the application key.

If I start typing Outlook and then bring up the application key,   the context menus all read entirely normally.

This seems to suggest that there may be something local to your setup causing this.

I am using Eloquence synth derived from my old Kurzweil  installation but I am not sure if this should make any difference.

I never attempt to rearrange the Desktop so I cannot comment on the second issue you raise.

David Griffith

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From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 20 March 2018 14:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.