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Re: Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi can you send me the link to get the latest version.

I went threw ninite and used that installer and it said that it found the esr version.

I don't want that version I want the newest version so how do I correct this?




On 3/24/2018 3:28 PM, Robert Getting wrote:

I am doing fine with NVDA 2018.1. Have not tried waterfox yet because it is not in the portable apps directory and I am feeling lazy. 59 works fine with a few issues that I've seen already filed in mozillas bug tracker so I'm not worried about it at all. I submitted the context menu bug to them just now as well, where I tried to open the menu on a link to copy the link location and the context menu was the system menu. I didn't hear back though.


-- 

Casey


Re: Issue With Excel 2016

Ron Canazzi
 

Hello:



I did try opening using the file open and drive browse method and I still got the same weird interface.  I finally saw a load button, but when I loaded the file, it came up in a new worksheet and not into the current worksheet that I had open as it did in the past.

On 3/24/2018 10:04 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Ron,

I think you may need to find "Browse" and use that file open dialog. It looks to me as if the File Open option favours the "Recent"file management function and this would not be able to access the address of your text file if the address of that file had not been used for a recent Excel workbook.

Could you try these steps:
1. Open an existing workbook
2. Open a blank worksheet for the new data
3. Press alt>f>o>o separately but in sequence, not together, to open the file open dialog in browse mode;

This dialog is pretty well the same as the old one.
Press enter when you have focussed on the text file that you want.

The dialog I have on my screen now is giving me the various options just the same as you describe and NVDA is speaking every field in it.

I think the problem lies in getting the right open dialog. I strongly recommend using alt>f>o>o to open it as, otherwise, you would have to arrow around the screen to get to the browse button at the bottom of the second screen.
I found that I needed to allow a mini-second between each of the keystrokes to allow the screen to update even though I am using a very fast computer.


Let us know if you find this works or not.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 11:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue With Excel 2016

Hello:


I open the existing Excel Work Book.

I then use open file and type in the path and file name of the delimited text file.


This used to work. I used to get a wizard of sorts that could have a
back, next and finish and step by step, I would be asked which column I
should start the import at, what delimited I should use and other
parameters I should use.


Now I get this odd inaccessible dialogue.



On 3/24/2018 6:50 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Hi Ron,

I am using excel 2016 in Windows 10 and a choice of both NVDA and JAWS 17. All are up to the latest versions.

I am curious about your issue as I do a lot of work with excel myself.

I have just created a tab delimited text file and imported it successfully. I tried using the File>Open dialog and the "Get external data" option on the Data Menu. Although the resulting dialog is different in each case, I found every part of the dialog fully accessible with NVDA.

In older versions of Excel, I used to import text files using the File>Open dialog. I was surprised to find that I cannot do this in excel 2016.

You don't say what technique you are using, but if you explain exactly what you have been attempting I would be happy to explore it with you and see what might have changed.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Issue With Excel 2016

Hi Group,


For years, I have been using Microsoft Excel to make a simple spread sheet database for various of my music and movie files. I usually do this by creating a delimited text file using Notepad and then importing the file into Excel via the import data/text file item. For years this has worked. I would click the file and then I would get a Microsoft Security warning and then the file would open and a wizard of sorts would launch and ask me for the parameters: delimiters, beginning column, and so on.


However, now when I load an existing file into Excel, I get some sort of weird interface that doesn't seem to work with NVDA or JAWS and I am unable to complete the importation as I normally did.


I assume that either an update to Office 2016 or some other update to Windows 10 has changed some default setting in Excel that makes things operate differently. I have looked under options in the Excel program but I am unable to find what might be causing this difference. What setting could be changed to get things back to where they used to be for my Excel program?


Thanks for any help.


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"







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Re: Issue With Excel 2016

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Rich,


I have been using semi colon [;] for the delimiters for years from Excel 2000 up until Excel2016 just a few weeks ago.  I never had this problem before.  I save the text file with the standard txt extension.  I use Notepad to create the files.  The common parameters--which used to appear in the wizard when trying to import the file first ask 'what line of the import file you wish to begin at (the default is line 1)  You click next and the second screen asks for the delimiter and I choose semi colon [;].  the next few screens have to do with formulas and other things that i just bypass and then click finish.  This wizard like interface no longer occurs when I try the import of the text file.  I get the Microsoft security warning which I dismiss and then this odd and new inaccessible interface.


Here are a few lines from the text file I have been trying to import.


Multimedia 363;1950 - The Littlest Angel - Lullaby of Christmas;01 - the littlest angel.mp3
Multimedia 363;1950 - The Littlest Angel - Lullaby of Christmas;02 - lullaby of christmas.mp3
Multimedia 363;baja marimba band - 2001 best of;01 along comes mary.mp3
Multimedia 363;baja marimba band - 2001 best of;02 juarez.mp3
Multimedia 363;baja marimba band - 2001 best of;03 comin' in the back door.mp3
Multimedia 363;baja marimba band - 2001 best of;04 georgy girl.mp3

On 3/24/2018 8:32 AM, Rick wrote:
Hello Ron:

What file extension are you using for the file you are attempting to import? Excel has a common format (.csv) which stands for Comma Separated Variables, where each field is separated using a comma in the file. Each field in the line of text is then placed in a separate cell in a row. Each new line will begin another row in the worksheet.

Also, can you give us a few sample lines from the file you are attempting to import and the rules you want to apply to the import process?

Thanks, Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue With Excel 2016

Hello:


I open the existing Excel Work Book.

I then use open file and type in the path and file name of the delimited text file.


This used to work. I used to get a wizard of sorts that could have a
back, next and finish and step by step, I would be asked which column I
should start the import at, what delimited I should use and other
parameters I should use.


Now I get this odd inaccessible dialogue.



On 3/24/2018 6:50 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Hi Ron,

I am using excel 2016 in Windows 10 and a choice of both NVDA and JAWS 17. All are up to the latest versions.

I am curious about your issue as I do a lot of work with excel myself.

I have just created a tab delimited text file and imported it successfully. I tried using the File>Open dialog and the "Get external data" option on the Data Menu. Although the resulting dialog is different in each case, I found every part of the dialog fully accessible with NVDA.

In older versions of Excel, I used to import text files using the File>Open dialog. I was surprised to find that I cannot do this in excel 2016.

You don't say what technique you are using, but if you explain exactly what you have been attempting I would be happy to explore it with you and see what might have changed.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Issue With Excel 2016

Hi Group,


For years, I have been using Microsoft Excel to make a simple spread sheet database for various of my music and movie files. I usually do this by creating a delimited text file using Notepad and then importing the file into Excel via the import data/text file item. For years this has worked. I would click the file and then I would get a Microsoft Security warning and then the file would open and a wizard of sorts would launch and ask me for the parameters: delimiters, beginning column, and so on.


However, now when I load an existing file into Excel, I get some sort of weird interface that doesn't seem to work with NVDA or JAWS and I am unable to complete the importation as I normally did.


I assume that either an update to Office 2016 or some other update to Windows 10 has changed some default setting in Excel that makes things operate differently. I have looked under options in the Excel program but I am unable to find what might be causing this difference. What setting could be changed to get things back to where they used to be for my Excel program?


Thanks for any help.


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"







--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

 

I am doing fine with NVDA 2018.1. Have not tried waterfox yet because it is not in the portable apps directory and I am feeling lazy. 59 works fine with a few issues that I've seen already filed in mozillas bug tracker so I'm not worried about it at all. I submitted the context menu bug to them just now as well, where I tried to open the menu on a link to copy the link location and the context menu was the system menu. I didn't hear back though.


Re: Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

Chris
 

They probably just wanted to spend their millions on re-branding

 

Or maybe to differentiate between the old and the new i guess :D

 

From: Gene
Sent: 24 March 2018 20:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

 

I know how the word "quantum" is used in the field of quantum mechanics but I didn't know exactly how to define it.  Here are the two definitions Word Web provides.

1.A discrete amount of something that is analogous to the quantities in
quantum theory
2.(physics) the smallest discrete quantity of some physical property that a
system can possess (according to quantum theory)

 

I suspect a better dictionary would give more comprehensive definitions.  But the expression "quantum leap" means a large change.  It whould mean a small change but, in complete disregard for the meaning of "quantum," it means the opposite. 

 

Who knows why Mozilla decided to name the new series quantum.  In my opinion, one of the most ridiculous aspects of computer culture is the way things are named.  Maybe those who named it had in mind a quantum leap in quality.  Maybe they just liked the sound of the word.  Who knows?  Who's brilliant idea was it to name the bar in firefox that fills different functions depending on how you use it the "awesome bar."  That name tells nothing except that they decided to give it a name that is meaningless as a description of the bar.  It tells how they want you to feel about the bar.  They might just as well call it the awesome browser.  No one would take a car seriously that was named the awesome car.  I don't look for any logic or rationality in how anything is named in computer culture. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

 

"Quantum" means the smallest possible amount of something.

Antony.

On Saturday 24 March 2018 at 18:00:41, zahra wrote:

> firefox versions are 64bit only for mac since version 53.
> but for windows, fortunately supports both 32 and 64bit windows.
> i think quantum means very fast.
> in firefox 56 and previous ones, the engine of firefox was gecko.
> but in firefox 57 and later, the engine is changed to photon.
> multiprocess is enabled and firefox recieved many changes to its codes
> and became twice faster.
>
> On 3/24/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
> > What!?
> >
> > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/59.0.1/system-requirements/ says
> > that the
> > latest version, Firefox 59.0.1, runs on Windows 7, 8 and 10, all 32bit or
> > 64bit, plus MacOS 10.9 onwards, and various versions of Linux.
> >
> > Firefox is definitely not 64-bit only.
> >
> > Antony.
> >
> > On Saturday 24 March 2018 at 17:30:52, Roger Stewart wrote:
> >> For sure!  Several versions of Firefox back, they went to 64 bit only.
> >> Guess this is what they mean by quantum.
> >>
> >> Roger
> >>
> >> On 3/24/2018 6:21 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
> >> > My system is Windows 7 SP1.
> >> >
> >> > I wonder if the problem is related to the fact that it is 32 bits.
> >> >
> >> > Em 23/03/2018 12:09, Ron Canazzi escreveu:
> >> >> Hi Walmir,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Using Windows 10 and NVDA 2018.1, I have never had any such issues. I
> >> >> am on Firefox 59.01--the latest version and everything is great.  I
> >> >> am wondering if your Windows 7 is the basic 7 or service pack1.  If
> >> >> you have been following this list at all, you will see that NVDA
> >> >> 2018.1 will no longer support any system earlier than Windows 7
> >> >> Service Pack 1.
> >> >>
> >> >> On 3/23/2018 8:01 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
> >> >>> Hi,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Since Firefox Quantum (57, 58, 59, ,,,) NVDA is having
> >> >>> incompatibility problems.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Is it time to forget about Quantum?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The 59 version is unusable because NVDA simply don't recognize the
> >> >>> web page, it is "an unknown" objectt.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I am using Windows 7, NVDA 2018.1 32 bits.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I am still using Firefox 52 ESR, but almost changing to Chrome.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sadly, even Google recognized in its accessibility documentation
> >> >>> that Firefox was the best browser to be used with NVDA.Very sad.

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Re: Any Captcha Solving Add-on Works with FireFox 59 and NVDA 2018.1?

Annette Moore
 

    I love the bookmarks in Firefox! All I have to do to get to the site I want is to hit control+shift+b to get to the bookmark library, then, with first-letter navigation, I quickly find what I want. for example, hitting a once will put my cursor on the Amazon link, and I just hit enter. I love it! Much easier, in my opinion, than navigating favorites in IE. BTW, hello to everyone. I'm a fairly brand-new NVDA user and loving it so far.

Annette


On 3/24/2018 10:55 AM, Gene wrote:
The Firefox system is superior to Internet Explorer.  it has a very good search function and I never organize bookmarks because the search function works so wwell. 
 
I don't know what you dislike about the firefox book mark system.  But again, rather than assuming, if you see something you don't like, don't assume.  Ask about it.  You may find if you ask questions about things you don't like, that there are ways to do the thing you dislike that are far better than whatever you are doing.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenny
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any Captcha Solving Add-on Works with FireFox 59 and NVDA 2018.1?

My only problem with Chrome is the Bookmark Manager. Really is a headache to use with NVDA. Don't understand why neither browser adopted a bookmarks system similar to Internet Explorer's Favorites. Amazed there isn't an add-on available for either to bring that Windows Explorer more accessible navigation to managing Bookmarks on FireFox and Chrome.


That's the only thing I really mis about IE to be honest.


On 3/23/2018 10:49 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Hi

I still use chrome, but the best thing that anyone can do is use what works.

I use both browsers depending on what I need to get done on what site. Firefox works better for some whereas chrome is just so blazing fast and responsive.



On 23-Mar-2018 9:46 PM, Kenny wrote:

I really love how well NVDA 2018.1 works with FireFox 59. So much so, I'm slowly drifting away from using Chrome.


On 3/23/2018 8:10 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I use Firefox ESR still, for the most part, but I confess I have not successfully gotten Webvism to solve anything. I do not know why this is. I always get the message “no captsha found” or something like that. Luckily the main one I really wanted to sign up with, IMDB, has a really good audio one now. I have tried to use this add-on for years and there always seems to be some problem or other with it. I’m willing to play with it a little more but I’m at the point of writing it off as a lost cause. Others have reported plenty of success, but I see just as many comments claiming it doesn’t work, and the last time I checked, its only comments on the Mozilla add-ons page were negative. SO yes, I’m very bemused by the whole thing. I wouldn’t personally let this add-on stand in the way of using Firefox 59.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: March 23, 2018 7:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any Captcha Solving Add-on Works with FireFox 59 and NVDA 2018.1?

 

You are cutting off your nose to spite your face.  I don't know how much you know about this question but making a definite statement that you won't do something at the start of such a discussion isn't a good way to get information.  You may be unaware of information that might change your mind and you may be less likely to get such information if you say you won't do something. 

 

You probably don't need to use Webvism on a lot of sites.  If you use an old compatible version of Firefox with sites that you want to use Webvism for, you are probably not increasing your security risk to a meaningful extent.  You can use a current version of Firefox for all other sites.  And, for now, using a portable version of the ESR version of Firefox isn't increasing your security risk at all.  The current ESR version is compatible with Webvism and will continue to receive security updates until the summer.  I believe august, but I'm not sure. 

 

Part of being a good blind computer user, that is, of getting the most out of the system and programs, is not to make arbitrary decisions based on what is fair or not fair.  The question is, what works, is there a meaningful reason not to use what works.  And does whatever it is work well enough to use it at all or when compared with alternatives?  Those are meaningful evaluation questions.  Fairness is not a meaningful evaluation question.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 12:52 PM

Subject: [nvda] Any Captcha Solving Add-on Works with FireFox 59 and NVDA 2018.1?

 

I really wish there was a way to make Webvisum work with the new FireFox 59 browser, but I fear this project is dead!

 

Is there any other free captcha solving add-on I can use that works with FireFox 59 and NVDA 2018.1?

 

Don't think it is fair we have to use an older, outdated FireFox browser to gain access to Webvisum, and I refuse to do so.

 

Has anyone found a work-around to this on-going nusome for users of screenreaders browsing the web?






Re: Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

Gene
 

I know how the word "quantum" is used in the field of quantum mechanics but I didn't know exactly how to define it.  Here are the two definitions Word Web provides.
1.A discrete amount of something that is analogous to the quantities in
quantum theory
2.(physics) the smallest discrete quantity of some physical property that a
system can possess (according to quantum theory)
 
I suspect a better dictionary would give more comprehensive definitions.  But the expression "quantum leap" means a large change.  It whould mean a small change but, in complete disregard for the meaning of "quantum," it means the opposite. 
 
Who knows why Mozilla decided to name the new series quantum.  In my opinion, one of the most ridiculous aspects of computer culture is the way things are named.  Maybe those who named it had in mind a quantum leap in quality.  Maybe they just liked the sound of the word.  Who knows?  Who's brilliant idea was it to name the bar in firefox that fills different functions depending on how you use it the "awesome bar."  That name tells nothing except that they decided to give it a name that is meaningless as a description of the bar.  It tells how they want you to feel about the bar.  They might just as well call it the awesome browser.  No one would take a car seriously that was named the awesome car.  I don't look for any logic or rationality in how anything is named in computer culture. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

"Quantum" means the smallest possible amount of something.

Antony.

On Saturday 24 March 2018 at 18:00:41, zahra wrote:

> firefox versions are 64bit only for mac since version 53.
> but for windows, fortunately supports both 32 and 64bit windows.
> i think quantum means very fast.
> in firefox 56 and previous ones, the engine of firefox was gecko.
> but in firefox 57 and later, the engine is changed to photon.
> multiprocess is enabled and firefox recieved many changes to its codes
> and became twice faster.
>
> On 3/24/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
> > What!?
> >
> > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/59.0.1/system-requirements/ says
> > that the
> > latest version, Firefox 59.0.1, runs on Windows 7, 8 and 10, all 32bit or
> > 64bit, plus MacOS 10.9 onwards, and various versions of Linux.
> >
> > Firefox is definitely not 64-bit only.
> >
> > Antony.
> >
> > On Saturday 24 March 2018 at 17:30:52, Roger Stewart wrote:
> >> For sure!  Several versions of Firefox back, they went to 64 bit only.
> >> Guess this is what they mean by quantum.
> >>
> >> Roger
> >>
> >> On 3/24/2018 6:21 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
> >> > My system is Windows 7 SP1.
> >> >
> >> > I wonder if the problem is related to the fact that it is 32 bits.
> >> >
> >> > Em 23/03/2018 12:09, Ron Canazzi escreveu:
> >> >> Hi Walmir,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Using Windows 10 and NVDA 2018.1, I have never had any such issues. I
> >> >> am on Firefox 59.01--the latest version and everything is great.  I
> >> >> am wondering if your Windows 7 is the basic 7 or service pack1.  If
> >> >> you have been following this list at all, you will see that NVDA
> >> >> 2018.1 will no longer support any system earlier than Windows 7
> >> >> Service Pack 1.
> >> >>
> >> >> On 3/23/2018 8:01 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
> >> >>> Hi,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Since Firefox Quantum (57, 58, 59, ,,,) NVDA is having
> >> >>> incompatibility problems.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Is it time to forget about Quantum?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The 59 version is unusable because NVDA simply don't recognize the
> >> >>> web page, it is "an unknown" objectt.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I am using Windows 7, NVDA 2018.1 32 bits.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I am still using Firefox 52 ESR, but almost changing to Chrome.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sadly, even Google recognized in its accessibility documentation
> >> >>> that Firefox was the best browser to be used with NVDA.Very sad.

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Re: Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

Roger Stewart
 

You can get it easily using Ninite. That's how I got it to start with and it will then update as new versions come out.


Roger

On 3/24/2018 2:44 PM, Casey wrote:
Hi where can you get the latest version of 59 for Firefox for A 64 bit system running windows seven?




On 3/24/2018 11:38 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
What!?

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/59.0.1/system-requirements/ says that the
latest version, Firefox 59.0.1, runs on Windows 7, 8 and 10, all 32bit or
64bit, plus MacOS 10.9 onwards, and various versions of Linux.

Firefox is definitely not 64-bit only.

Antony.

On Saturday 24 March 2018 at 17:30:52, Roger Stewart wrote:

For sure!  Several versions of Firefox back, they went to 64 bit only.
Guess this is what they mean by quantum.

Roger

On 3/24/2018 6:21 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
My system is Windows 7 SP1.

I wonder if the problem is related to the fact that it is 32 bits.

Em 23/03/2018 12:09, Ron Canazzi escreveu:
Hi Walmir,


Using Windows 10 and NVDA 2018.1, I have never had any such issues. I
am on Firefox 59.01--the latest version and everything is great.  I
am wondering if your Windows 7 is the basic 7 or service pack1.  If
you have been following this list at all, you will see that NVDA
2018.1 will no longer support any system earlier than Windows 7
Service Pack 1.

On 3/23/2018 8:01 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Since Firefox Quantum (57, 58, 59, ,,,) NVDA is having
incompatibility problems.

Is it time to forget about Quantum?

The 59 version is unusable because NVDA simply don't recognize the
web page, it is "an unknown" objectt.

I am using Windows 7, NVDA 2018.1 32 bits.

I am still using Firefox 52 ESR, but almost changing to Chrome.

Sadly, even Google recognized in its accessibility documentation
that Firefox was the best browser to be used with NVDA.Very sad.


Re: Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

 

No waterfox has worked well enough.

On 25/03/2018 7:08 a.m., zahra wrote:
hi shaun.
did you use cyberfox also?
i wish that know about other firefox based browsers.

On 3/24/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe, but as long as waterfox stays up, I will continue to use it.

The devs in fact do not like all the new mozilla mods of late and I hope
that continues.




On 24/03/2018 11:37 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
If Waterfox does get a following though, maybe the developers might
jump ship to their platform?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?


Well no, I do think we should keep pushing firefox to do better, the
break through build is 2.6 or there abouts.

I just don't care for the inaccessibility of some of the way addons
are structured now, noscript is one of the things.

And the sounds ofcause.

Waterfox works for me, and if they update to their own brouser its
still going to use the older structure, an updated addon store, etc,
some of the older addons, noscripts etc will no longer be updated
anymore, so no more addon updates ever, but then again, most of the
protection is there and will work for ages at any rate.




On 24/03/2018 1:01 a.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Since Firefox Quantum (57, 58, 59, ,,,) NVDA is having
incompatibility problems.

Is it time to forget about Quantum?

The 59 version is unusable because NVDA simply don't recognize the
web page, it is "an unknown" objectt.

I am using Windows 7, NVDA 2018.1 32 bits.

I am still using Firefox 52 ESR, but almost changing to Chrome.

Sadly, even Google recognized in its accessibility documentation
that Firefox was the best browser to be used with NVDA.Very sad.




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Re: Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi where can you get the latest version of 59 for Firefox for A 64 bit system running windows seven?

On 3/24/2018 11:38 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
What!?

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/59.0.1/system-requirements/ says that the
latest version, Firefox 59.0.1, runs on Windows 7, 8 and 10, all 32bit or
64bit, plus MacOS 10.9 onwards, and various versions of Linux.

Firefox is definitely not 64-bit only.

Antony.

On Saturday 24 March 2018 at 17:30:52, Roger Stewart wrote:

For sure! Several versions of Firefox back, they went to 64 bit only.
Guess this is what they mean by quantum.

Roger

On 3/24/2018 6:21 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
My system is Windows 7 SP1.

I wonder if the problem is related to the fact that it is 32 bits.

Em 23/03/2018 12:09, Ron Canazzi escreveu:
Hi Walmir,


Using Windows 10 and NVDA 2018.1, I have never had any such issues. I
am on Firefox 59.01--the latest version and everything is great. I
am wondering if your Windows 7 is the basic 7 or service pack1. If
you have been following this list at all, you will see that NVDA
2018.1 will no longer support any system earlier than Windows 7
Service Pack 1.

On 3/23/2018 8:01 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Since Firefox Quantum (57, 58, 59, ,,,) NVDA is having
incompatibility problems.

Is it time to forget about Quantum?

The 59 version is unusable because NVDA simply don't recognize the
web page, it is "an unknown" objectt.

I am using Windows 7, NVDA 2018.1 32 bits.

I am still using Firefox 52 ESR, but almost changing to Chrome.

Sadly, even Google recognized in its accessibility documentation
that Firefox was the best browser to be used with NVDA.Very sad.
--

Casey


Re: Problems with NVDA using it with braille edge

Rui Fontes
 

What kind of problems?

Rui


Às 17:39 de 23/03/2018, David Tanner escreveu:

I have had a number of people ask about problems they are having with NVDA working with the braille edge it seems that the latest release of NVDA the braille edge drivers are not working. Do we have any idea what is causing that or it is a fix being worked on?


Re: Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Sean,

I'm using waterfox now and it's very fast compared to firefox.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

Maybe, but as long as waterfox stays up, I will continue to use it.

The devs in fact do not like all the new mozilla mods of late and I hope that continues.




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If Waterfox does get a following though, maybe the developers might
jump ship to their platform?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?


Well no, I do think we should keep pushing firefox to do better, the
break through build is 2.6 or there abouts.

I just don't care for the inaccessibility of some of the way addons
are structured now, noscript is one of the things.

And the sounds ofcause.

Waterfox works for me, and if they update to their own brouser its
still going to use the older structure, an updated addon store, etc,
some of the older addons, noscripts etc will no longer be updated
anymore, so no more addon updates ever, but then again, most of the
protection is there and will work for ages at any rate.




On 24/03/2018 1:01 a.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Since Firefox Quantum (57, 58, 59, ,,,) NVDA is having
incompatibility problems.

Is it time to forget about Quantum?

The 59 version is unusable because NVDA simply don't recognize the
web page, it is "an unknown" objectt.

I am using Windows 7, NVDA 2018.1 32 bits.

I am still using Firefox 52 ESR, but almost changing to Chrome.

Sadly, even Google recognized in its accessibility documentation
that Firefox was the best browser to be used with NVDA.Very sad.




.





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Re: Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

 

hi shaun.
did you use cyberfox also?
i wish that know about other firefox based browsers.

On 3/24/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe, but as long as waterfox stays up, I will continue to use it.

The devs in fact do not like all the new mozilla mods of late and I hope
that continues.




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If Waterfox does get a following though, maybe the developers might
jump ship to their platform?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?


Well no, I do think we should keep pushing firefox to do better, the
break through build is 2.6 or there abouts.

I just don't care for the inaccessibility of some of the way addons
are structured now, noscript is one of the things.

And the sounds ofcause.

Waterfox works for me, and if they update to their own brouser its
still going to use the older structure, an updated addon store, etc,
some of the older addons, noscripts etc will no longer be updated
anymore, so no more addon updates ever, but then again, most of the
protection is there and will work for ages at any rate.




On 24/03/2018 1:01 a.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Since Firefox Quantum (57, 58, 59, ,,,) NVDA is having
incompatibility problems.

Is it time to forget about Quantum?

The 59 version is unusable because NVDA simply don't recognize the
web page, it is "an unknown" objectt.

I am using Windows 7, NVDA 2018.1 32 bits.

I am still using Firefox 52 ESR, but almost changing to Chrome.

Sadly, even Google recognized in its accessibility documentation
that Firefox was the best browser to be used with NVDA.Very sad.




.





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Re: Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

 

Maybe, but as long as waterfox stays up, I will continue to use it.

The devs in fact do not like all the new mozilla mods of late and I hope that continues.

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If Waterfox does get a following though, maybe the developers might jump ship to their platform?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?


Well no, I do think we should keep pushing firefox to do better, the break through build is 2.6 or there abouts.

I just don't care for the inaccessibility of some of the way addons are structured now, noscript is one of the things.

And the sounds ofcause.

Waterfox works for me, and if they update to their own brouser its still going to use the older structure, an updated addon store, etc, some of the older addons, noscripts etc will no longer be updated anymore, so no more addon updates ever, but then again, most of the protection is there and will work for ages at any rate.




On 24/03/2018 1:01 a.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Since Firefox Quantum (57, 58, 59, ,,,) NVDA is having incompatibility problems.

Is it time to forget about Quantum?

The 59 version is unusable because NVDA simply don't recognize the web page, it is "an unknown" objectt.

I am using Windows 7, NVDA 2018.1 32 bits.

I am still using Firefox 52 ESR, but almost changing to Chrome.

Sadly, even Google recognized in its accessibility documentation that Firefox was the best browser to be used with NVDA.Very sad.




.




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Re: Any Captcha Solving Add-on Works with FireFox 59 and NVDA 2018.1?

 

Sites need to be secured somehow.

capchas are the logical step one of them. passive blocking works to.

A lot of the recapcha stuff by google has improved people do care.

One thing which is not used much is logical captchas, you ask a question, and its randomly generated or several, fill in the blank etc.

True a robot could guess even that but it is accessible.

On top of the capchas you need to setup your credentials, maybe even varify your email address.

If x is a spammer they may use an expired address or just spoof one, and who knows it may or may not work and thats not full proof either.

some sites require a mobile varification  as well.

On 24/03/2018 11:22 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
In my view capchars are a ridiculous solution to a problem. I know for a fact that  these sites still get spammed so somebody out there has found a way to either decode them by machine or hack past them. They should as I said back when we first encountered them, have had a massive campaign to boycott all sites using them, Then this situation would never have arisen.
Sorry but I feel let down by the blind community here.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any Captcha Solving Add-on Works with FireFox 59 and NVDA 2018.1?


Hello,


You shouldn't panic... You can keep a portable version of Firefox 52.x ESR (Extended Security Release) for handy for situations where you kow you'll need to solve capthas. Audio Captchas are pretty common these days, but they aren't always a solution, because sometimes, in order to play the audio file, you have to leave the edit field, and it's a pain in the neck, because you can't type the letters or numbers as you hear them.


I'm using the latest verson of Firefox, andkeep an ESR portable for emergency situations.


That's the only workaround available right now, as far as I know.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 23/03/2018 18:52, Kenny ha scritto:

I really wish there was a way to make Webvisum work with the new FireFox 59 browser, but I fear this project is dead!


Is there any other free captcha solving add-on I can use that works with FireFox 59 and NVDA 2018.1?


Don't think it is fair we have to use an older, outdated FireFox browser to gain access to Webvisum, and I refuse to do so.


Has anyone found a work-around to this on-going nusome for users of screenreaders browsing the web?





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Re: Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

 

Well waterfox uses the old addon code, there are no extra mozilla addons bar language packs, no extra security shields aparently no telemitry, but I don't buy into the spying noncence, well everyone spies but the scare tactics a lot of people seem to use I don't buy that at all.

I do have ublock, noscript, better privacy nav sounds, https everywhere and privacy badger from eff but I am unsure if it matters that much having the last 2 at all except they are free and required little configuration to setup and keep things secure and were passive measures which is fine by me.

As far as I understand, waterfox will never ever use web extentions, sadly while its using firefox 56 code and some esr updates in june, its going to have to upgrade, at which point it will continue to handle all the older addons itself aparently from its own location and have a new engine but its based on firefox code.

It doesn't run multiprocesser by default either.

It has a few regressions like with file assicoations as it uses what is basically legacy code and it crashes from time to time but for all that its reasonable for what it is and fast.

One thing though, it doesn't have any extra addon security protection, so I'd only use it if you knew what you were doing and not clicking links, I wouldn't give it to my general users I use chrome for those.

Because you are allowed to do what you want. so if you want to malware up your box, or even use it to release malware you can.

So as long as you take the risk yourself its fine.

I just hope that when the next brouser comes out that it does not devolve into something horrible.

On 24/03/2018 11:19 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
So what would you say are the main differences between firefox and waterfox for the user?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?


Well no, I do think we should keep pushing firefox to do better, the break through build is 2.6 or there abouts.

I just don't care for the inaccessibility of some of the way addons are structured now, noscript is one of the things.

And the sounds ofcause.

Waterfox works for me, and if they update to their own brouser its still going to use the older structure, an updated addon store, etc, some of the older addons, noscripts etc will no longer be updated anymore, so no more addon updates ever, but then again, most of the protection is there and will work for ages at any rate.




On 24/03/2018 1:01 a.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Since Firefox Quantum (57, 58, 59, ,,,) NVDA is having incompatibility problems.

Is it time to forget about Quantum?

The 59 version is unusable because NVDA simply don't recognize the web page, it is "an unknown" objectt.

I am using Windows 7, NVDA 2018.1 32 bits.

I am still using Firefox 52 ESR, but almost changing to Chrome.

Sadly, even Google recognized in its accessibility documentation that Firefox was the best browser to be used with NVDA.Very sad.




.




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Re: Any Captcha Solving Add-on Works with FireFox 59 and NVDA 2018.1?

P. Otter
 

you're right, but the problem is that rumola has no plugin for the quantum serial.
write them a mail, like i've done and tell them that we want a new plugin for the newest versions of firefox.
if we'll do that all, they get a lot of mail with only one wish!!!
cheers
paul otter


Op 24-3-2018 om 16:16 schreef Josh Kennedy:

why not use rumola. it works on any browser even on android. 


Re: Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

 

I could live without windows navigational sounds but with the menu bar gone and buttons I can't read noscript menu access is non existant and when I tried on 57 not all the options worked especially in extentions.

On 24/03/2018 11:09 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Thank you yes as I said at the start of this, not allowing navigational sounds is a big minus for me along with the lack of download window access. has anyone filed a issue on the github for the window issue? Fixing this would go a long way to fixing the problem, but ideally if Mozilla put in optional system sounds for events that would also be a great thing to have, so some kind of issue on the Firefox site would be good to point this omission out.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?


I too am using Firefox59 with NVDA2018.1, but the thing is when a file is finished downloading, I no longer hear the sound that let's me know of this, when before with Firefox 56 I would.


El 23/03/2018 a las 06:47 a.m., Brian Moore escribió:
Hi. I am using 59.1 with NVDA 2018.1 with no major issues.


Only issue I am having now is that the downloads window accessed with ctrl+j doesn't read at all for me.


Brian.

Contact me on skype: brian.moore follow me on twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123
On 23/03/2018 8:01 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Since Firefox Quantum (57, 58, 59, ,,,) NVDA is having incompatibility problems.

Is it time to forget about Quantum?

The 59 version is unusable because NVDA simply don't recognize the web page, it is "an unknown" objectt.

I am using Windows 7, NVDA 2018.1 32 bits.

I am still using Firefox 52 ESR, but almost changing to Chrome.

Sadly, even Google recognized in its accessibility documentation that Firefox was the best browser to be used with NVDA.Very sad.





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Re: Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

Antony Stone
 

"Quantum" means the smallest possible amount of something.

Antony.

On Saturday 24 March 2018 at 18:00:41, zahra wrote:

firefox versions are 64bit only for mac since version 53.
but for windows, fortunately supports both 32 and 64bit windows.
i think quantum means very fast.
in firefox 56 and previous ones, the engine of firefox was gecko.
but in firefox 57 and later, the engine is changed to photon.
multiprocess is enabled and firefox recieved many changes to its codes
and became twice faster.

On 3/24/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
What!?

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/59.0.1/system-requirements/ says
that the
latest version, Firefox 59.0.1, runs on Windows 7, 8 and 10, all 32bit or
64bit, plus MacOS 10.9 onwards, and various versions of Linux.

Firefox is definitely not 64-bit only.

Antony.

On Saturday 24 March 2018 at 17:30:52, Roger Stewart wrote:
For sure! Several versions of Firefox back, they went to 64 bit only.
Guess this is what they mean by quantum.

Roger

On 3/24/2018 6:21 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
My system is Windows 7 SP1.

I wonder if the problem is related to the fact that it is 32 bits.

Em 23/03/2018 12:09, Ron Canazzi escreveu:
Hi Walmir,


Using Windows 10 and NVDA 2018.1, I have never had any such issues. I
am on Firefox 59.01--the latest version and everything is great. I
am wondering if your Windows 7 is the basic 7 or service pack1. If
you have been following this list at all, you will see that NVDA
2018.1 will no longer support any system earlier than Windows 7
Service Pack 1.

On 3/23/2018 8:01 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Since Firefox Quantum (57, 58, 59, ,,,) NVDA is having
incompatibility problems.

Is it time to forget about Quantum?

The 59 version is unusable because NVDA simply don't recognize the
web page, it is "an unknown" objectt.

I am using Windows 7, NVDA 2018.1 32 bits.

I am still using Firefox 52 ESR, but almost changing to Chrome.

Sadly, even Google recognized in its accessibility documentation
that Firefox was the best browser to be used with NVDA.Very sad.
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Re: Firefox Quantum incompatible with NVDA forever?

 

firefox versions are 64bit only for mac since version 53.
but for windows, fortunately supports both 32 and 64bit windows.
i think quantum means very fast.
in firefox 56 and previous ones, the engine of firefox was gecko.
but in firefox 57 and later, the engine is changed to photon.
multiprocess is enabled and firefox recieved many changes to its codes
and became twice faster.

On 3/24/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
What!?

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/59.0.1/system-requirements/ says that
the
latest version, Firefox 59.0.1, runs on Windows 7, 8 and 10, all 32bit or
64bit, plus MacOS 10.9 onwards, and various versions of Linux.

Firefox is definitely not 64-bit only.

Antony.

On Saturday 24 March 2018 at 17:30:52, Roger Stewart wrote:

For sure! Several versions of Firefox back, they went to 64 bit only.
Guess this is what they mean by quantum.

Roger

On 3/24/2018 6:21 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
My system is Windows 7 SP1.

I wonder if the problem is related to the fact that it is 32 bits.

Em 23/03/2018 12:09, Ron Canazzi escreveu:
Hi Walmir,


Using Windows 10 and NVDA 2018.1, I have never had any such issues. I
am on Firefox 59.01--the latest version and everything is great. I
am wondering if your Windows 7 is the basic 7 or service pack1. If
you have been following this list at all, you will see that NVDA
2018.1 will no longer support any system earlier than Windows 7
Service Pack 1.

On 3/23/2018 8:01 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Since Firefox Quantum (57, 58, 59, ,,,) NVDA is having
incompatibility problems.

Is it time to forget about Quantum?

The 59 version is unusable because NVDA simply don't recognize the
web page, it is "an unknown" objectt.

I am using Windows 7, NVDA 2018.1 32 bits.

I am still using Firefox 52 ESR, but almost changing to Chrome.

Sadly, even Google recognized in its accessibility documentation
that Firefox was the best browser to be used with NVDA.Very sad.
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