Date   

keyboard shortcuts for open office writer

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Here are the keyboard shortcuts for open office writer. 


Tony


                        Keyboard shortcuts for open office writer

 

            Keyboard shortcut

Command

 

Control-a

 Select All

Control-b

Bold text

 

Control-c

Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard

Control-x

Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard

Control-v

 Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you specify

 

keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original and the specified location. 

When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only

 

 control-E

Centers text

 

Control f

Find and replace Text

 

Control            -g

Go To

 

Italic

Control-I

 

Control-J

Justify Text

Control-l

Left align text

Control-r

Right align text

Control-n

Creates a new blank Document

Control-o

Brings up the open file dialog box

Control-P

Brings up the Print Dialog box

               

Control-S

Saves the current open Document.  If it is a new one, the save as dialog box will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the case  of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.

   

 Control u

Underlines text

 

Control-y

 redoes your last action

 

control-z

 undoes your last action

 

 


Re: email list for open office users

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Gang,


I've got the keyboard shortcuts for open and libre office writer coming up. They will be in separate posts that way there's no room for confusion. Will have the open and libre office calc shortcuts for you once I get back from working out. 


Tony



On 3/27/2018 2:13 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

You're right. The list of shortcut keys for open office and libre office will be helpful for all of us.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

That sort of thing is not a clutter to the list, it will help all.

I save such list messages for later reference.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 10:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi Guys,

 

Let me dig them up and I'll make sure you get them. 

 

Tony

 

On 3/25/2018 6:47 PM, David Moore wrote:

I would really like those key commands as well Please!

I am very interested in using both and picking which one appeals to me more!

Thanks a lot, in advance.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi, Tony,

 

I'd love to have a list of the keyboard shortcuts for both open office and libre office. If you'd like, you can send them to me off list so we don't clutter up the list. My email address is knitqueen2007@....

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi Rosemarie, 

 

I've been messing around with both open and libre offices writers for about 1 year and a half or so, and found keyboard shortcut lists for both.  I also found the keyboard shortcuts for open office calc.  If you want I can send you those.  I'm not sure if there is an email list, for blind users of these programs though.  I haven't seen anything come across the boards about one. It would be interesting to know if such list are out there. 

 

Tony

On 3/23/2018 3:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

Is there an email list for open office users? I'd especially like to learn kelp and writer.

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

 

 



Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

You can find the installer on:
http://tiflotecnia.net/eloquence_sapi5_tiflo.exe

You have one or two weeks to try...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 02:25 de 27/03/2018, Ronald J Glaser escreveu:

Where can you find this addon, and how much is it?
On 3/26/2018 8:01 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what you will think of it but you can try the demo if you want to evaluate it.  As I recall, it runs for seven days.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sharni-Lee Ward <mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 6:03 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

I've tried other synths in the past, and know their issues from sometimes painful experience. Some of the Speech Platform voices cannot even pronounce the "n" in my name and mispronounce so many other things that it's honestly too frustrating to work with them at all. The Vocaliser voices I've tried are equally frustrating. If I somehow get them to say the word correctly, they don't stress the right syllables and I have no idea how to change that behaviour.


I may consider buying the legal Eloquence addon if it is as good as you say, but that will have to be at a time when my finances are not so tight.


On 27/03/2018 8:42 AM, Gene wrote:
You don’t know how the Eloquence synthesizer would work with the dictionary you already have.  Your generalization about other synthesizers is just that, a generalization.  You don't know if it applies to Eloquence.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sharni-Lee Ward <mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 3:30 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

I will add that one of my favourite features to work with in NVDA is the
Speech Dictionary. Espeak might have some issues out of the box, but it
is quite receptive to alternative pronunciations via the Speech
Dictionary, and I have made liberal use of it. Other synths are more
annoying to work with on that score.


On 27/03/2018 2:16 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
I would never use the "human sounding" voices for using the
computer, however, for reading long articles, or a short book, I would not want to use something like Eloquence, or heaven's sake, not eSpeak.
The human-sounding voices are good for strictly listening, where
there is little or no keyboard input.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 1:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to
the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is what talking books are for. Regardless of what synth I
use. You realize bla hearing a book ready by a speech synth would be? Boring. It would put me to sleep.

But not all books are made into audio books. In fact, the vast
majority are not. And if you're into online fiction, synth reading is the only game in town.







--
a friend like You
Makes The Day Go Right!


Re: microsoft turn round on skype

Lenron
 

To the people that shared skype full classic yall are awesome

On 3/27/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
you need to select tablet tab and you can get classic skype from there.

or

https://get.skype.com/go/getskype-windows

I was able to get the full setup today, it appears the stub is available
here for it.




On 27/03/2018 2:07 p.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Well the new version of Skype Classic is not available on the site. It
took me to the 8.1 download page. So don’t get too comfortable Seany boy.
Lino Morales

From: Shaun Everiss<mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 9:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] microsoft turn round on skype

Hi all.

Today I recieved a skype update.

I was surprised I thought ms had abandond skype 7.

But no, aparently not.

If you download skype select the tablet tab and you can get classic
skype.

I updated from skype itself, and I still had skype classic.

What this means, is interesting in itself.

We can choose classic again, I do wander if people complained to ms a
lot and they finally saw reason.

For me it means at least for the short term till ms decides to plonk
skype classic yet again I can continue to work with skype classic on
win7 and maybe on 10.

I am not apposed to updating skype, but skype7 is accessible, and I have
been using it for ages.

Bar the occasional calls and such there are a lot of things skype 8 and
uaps are missing.

Maybe its the big improvement ms is making with skype, and maybe they
realise they are not there yet.

Fact is, skype just got an update dispite what they said about an
insecure installer.

That for me at least for now means progress.

Eventually I will probably get a smartphone maybe an ios device, the
fact is I will have loads of uses for other forms of communication.

If skype gets to rubbish, I may simply close down skype entirely.

My ms account's main focus is mainly for knfb reader but to be hones bar
the apps I purchaced there is little keeping me and microsoft online
friends at all.

It used to be music, music, apps, skype.

Now its just some apps and with the apps being well who knows, and no
music, there is just 1 app I brought, and skype.

Hardly any of my contacts talk on skype with me anymore bar the nvda dev
group, and if it gets to hairy I will get rid of that group, there were
also test groups about to for different things but I will now try to
find nonskype things to do the tests with.








--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

anthony borg
 

Oh, I’m so sorry about that, ididn’t noticed it I’m afraid.

Thanks that you withdrew my attension.

Regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 27 March 2018 07:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

He already sent the link that was in the message he forward from the win 10 list.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 9:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Hi joseph

Can you please send us the link from where I can download the recording?

Thanks in advance for your help

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 27 March 2018 04:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Hi,

If you are curious as to what Windows 10 Spring Creators Update (Version 1803) sounds like, here is your chance. Enjoy the presentation recording.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 7:10 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Hi all,

 

The recording from today’s Accessible World Tek Talk presentation is now up:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/winten1803.mp3

 

Presentation outline:

  • Introduction: what Windows 10 have been up to.
  • Past: Emoji panel, dictation everywhere, cloud-powered image recognition in Narrator.
  • Present (1803): Focus Assist, Timeline, Ease of Access changes, multi-instance universal apps, built-in OpenSSH client/server, run apps in admin mode from Run dialog.
  • Future (Redstone 5): Sets/app tabs.

I’d like to thank those present, including at least two Microsoft staff.

 

Enjoy the presentation (and spread far and wide).

Cheers,

Joseph


windows insider question

Afik Suffir <afik.sofir@...>
 

 

ב"ה

Hi

 

I have a question about windows insider program. I;ve registered to the program, and linked my skype account, as known as my Microsoft account, restarted my pc, and there are no updates at all. I;ve chose in the combo box, just send me early updates.

 

Any help will be appreciated.

Afik Suffir.

 


Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

I know people that can run speech as fast as it would go, 300-600 wpm.

But I was never able to do that, when in university, I ran at 200-300wpm at a stretch.

Once out of university I dropped back to 120, simply put yes I could get the gist but I could never understand things at that speed.

As an admin and support person I need to understand what the heck my speech is saying.

Testing websites and stuff will give me inaccessible things, broken things and really bad things, running fast will not get me anywhere.

On 27/03/2018 7:29 p.m., Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Well, it's a good thing the only career I intend on having is that of a fantasy writer, then, isn't it? :D

On 27/03/2018 5:05 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
If you had a job that involved listening like a customer service rep, you'd have no choice but to get used to listening to your screen reader at a faster speed.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?


I'll admit I've not heard Eloquence outside of Jaws and the addon I was sent some years back. I didn't know the version in Jaws was different to Eloquence on its own. The one in the addon I have doesn't pause very long between sentences. Also, I just do not like to speed up my synth too much. I still think of how some of you can listen to something at the highest rate possible and understand it. I've tried increasing it a little, but it's just not enjoyable for me.



That said, I'm now very used to Espeak, and it may not be an improvement over Eloquence in the opinion of some, but it was definitely an improvement over Microsoft Anna, which was what I had been stuck with via Narrator until I discovered NVDA. Espeak is the voice of NVDA to me now, and other synths fall short in many ways.

On 26/03/2018 7:20 PM, Gene wrote:
You wrote:
I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I have compared
it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound.

That is a very inaccurate comparison. E-Speak has more high end in the s sounds and the voice may have a little more high end but hardly comparable to FM radio or CD quality sound. and why is the difference of perhaps two thousand or three thousand KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around 7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of any real importance? I would imagine you talk on the phone without worrying about such things.

Eloquence has much better understandability of speech at higher speeds, and pronounces a lot more words correctly.

Also, I don't know if you are talking about Eloquence as modified by the producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is unmodified. The JAWS designers customized it. If you are saying it isn't crisp because you are thinking of JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate representation of what unmodified Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS modifiers took out pauses at periods. That seriously degrades reading, that the modified version doesn't pause at periods.

You may be pleasantly surprised if you try the demo of the HTML version. If you haven't heard unmodified Eloquence, you don't know what it really sounds like.

Gene



Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Well, it's a good thing the only career I intend on having is that of a fantasy writer, then, isn't it? :D


On 27/03/2018 5:05 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

If you had a job that involved listening like a customer service rep, you'd have no choice but to get used to listening to your screen reader at a faster speed.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

I'll admit I've not heard Eloquence outside of Jaws and the addon I was sent some years back. I didn't know the version in Jaws was different to Eloquence on its own. The one in the addon I have doesn't pause very long between sentences. Also, I just do not like to speed up my synth too much. I still think of how some of you can listen to something at the highest rate possible and understand it. I've tried increasing it a little, but it's just not enjoyable for me.

 

That said, I'm now very used to Espeak, and it may not be an improvement over Eloquence in the opinion of some, but it was definitely an improvement over Microsoft Anna, which was what I had been stuck with via Narrator until I discovered NVDA. Espeak is the voice of NVDA to me now, and other synths fall short in many ways.

 

On 26/03/2018 7:20 PM, Gene wrote:

You wrote:

I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I have compared
it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound.

 

That is a very inaccurate comparison.  E-Speak has more high end in the s sounds and the voice may have a little more high end but hardly comparable to FM radio or CD quality sound.  and why is the difference of perhaps two thousand or three thousand KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around 7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of any real importance?  I would imagine you talk on the phone without worrying about such things. 

 

Eloquence has much better understandability of speech at higher speeds, and pronounces a lot more words correctly. 

 

Also, I don't know if you are talking about Eloquence as modified by the producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is unmodified.  The JAWS designers customized it.  If you are saying it isn't crisp because you are thinking of JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate representation of what unmodified Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS modifiers took out pauses at periods.  That seriously degrades reading, that the modified version doesn't pause at periods. 

 

You may be pleasantly surprised if you try the demo of the HTML version.  If you haven't heard unmodified Eloquence, you don't know what it really sounds like. 

 

Gene

 



Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

...


If it's a Sapi5 thingy, I might not use it after all. Sapi stuff isn't compatible with adjustable inflection.


On 27/03/2018 12:53 PM, Gene wrote:
It isn't an add on.  it's a SAPI five version of Eloquence that will work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech.  I got the demo perhaps two or three years ago.  I don't remember where but someone will likely tell you.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Where can you find this addon, and how much is it?



On 3/26/2018 8:01 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what you will think of it but you can try the demo if you want to evaluate it.  As I recall, it runs for seven days. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

I've tried other synths in the past, and know their issues from sometimes painful experience. Some of the Speech Platform voices cannot even pronounce the "n" in my name and mispronounce so many other things that it's honestly too frustrating to work with them at all. The Vocaliser voices I've tried are equally frustrating. If I somehow get them to say the word correctly, they don't stress the right syllables and I have no idea how to change that behaviour.


I may consider buying the legal Eloquence addon if it is as good as you say, but that will have to be at a time when my finances are not so tight.


On 27/03/2018 8:42 AM, Gene wrote:
You don’t know how the Eloquence synthesizer would work with the dictionary you already have.  Your generalization about other synthesizers is just that, a generalization.  You don't know if it applies to Eloquence.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

I will add that one of my favourite features to work with in NVDA is the
Speech Dictionary. Espeak might have some issues out of the box, but it
is quite receptive to alternative pronunciations via the Speech
Dictionary, and I have made liberal use of it. Other synths are more
annoying to work with on that score.


On 27/03/2018 2:16 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
> I would never use the "human sounding" voices for using the computer, however, for reading long articles, or a short book, I would not want to use something like Eloquence, or heaven's sake, not eSpeak.
> The human-sounding voices are good for strictly listening, where there is little or no keyboard input.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 1:12 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
>
> Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
>> This is what talking books are for. Regardless of what synth I use. You realize bla hearing a book ready by a speech synth would be? Boring. It would put me to sleep.
>
> But not all books are made into audio books. In fact, the vast majority are not. And if you're into online fiction, synth reading is the only game in town.
>
>
>
>
>
>






-- 
a friend like  You
Makes The Day Go Right!


Re: email list for open office users

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

You're right. The list of shortcut keys for open office and libre office will be helpful for all of us.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

That sort of thing is not a clutter to the list, it will help all.

I save such list messages for later reference.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 10:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi Guys,

 

Let me dig them up and I'll make sure you get them. 

 

Tony

 

On 3/25/2018 6:47 PM, David Moore wrote:

I would really like those key commands as well Please!

I am very interested in using both and picking which one appeals to me more!

Thanks a lot, in advance.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi, Tony,

 

I'd love to have a list of the keyboard shortcuts for both open office and libre office. If you'd like, you can send them to me off list so we don't clutter up the list. My email address is knitqueen2007@....

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi Rosemarie, 

 

I've been messing around with both open and libre offices writers for about 1 year and a half or so, and found keyboard shortcut lists for both.  I also found the keyboard shortcuts for open office calc.  If you want I can send you those.  I'm not sure if there is an email list, for blind users of these programs though.  I haven't seen anything come across the boards about one. It would be interesting to know if such list are out there. 

 

Tony

On 3/23/2018 3:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

Is there an email list for open office users? I'd especially like to learn kelp and writer.

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

 

 


Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

If you had a job that involved listening like a customer service rep, you'd have no choice but to get used to listening to your screen reader at a faster speed.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

I'll admit I've not heard Eloquence outside of Jaws and the addon I was sent some years back. I didn't know the version in Jaws was different to Eloquence on its own. The one in the addon I have doesn't pause very long between sentences. Also, I just do not like to speed up my synth too much. I still think of how some of you can listen to something at the highest rate possible and understand it. I've tried increasing it a little, but it's just not enjoyable for me.

 

That said, I'm now very used to Espeak, and it may not be an improvement over Eloquence in the opinion of some, but it was definitely an improvement over Microsoft Anna, which was what I had been stuck with via Narrator until I discovered NVDA. Espeak is the voice of NVDA to me now, and other synths fall short in many ways.

 

On 26/03/2018 7:20 PM, Gene wrote:

You wrote:

I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I have compared
it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound.

 

That is a very inaccurate comparison.  E-Speak has more high end in the s sounds and the voice may have a little more high end but hardly comparable to FM radio or CD quality sound.  and why is the difference of perhaps two thousand or three thousand KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around 7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of any real importance?  I would imagine you talk on the phone without worrying about such things. 

 

Eloquence has much better understandability of speech at higher speeds, and pronounces a lot more words correctly. 

 

Also, I don't know if you are talking about Eloquence as modified by the producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is unmodified.  The JAWS designers customized it.  If you are saying it isn't crisp because you are thinking of JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate representation of what unmodified Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS modifiers took out pauses at periods.  That seriously degrades reading, that the modified version doesn't pause at periods. 

 

You may be pleasantly surprised if you try the demo of the HTML version.  If you haven't heard unmodified Eloquence, you don't know what it really sounds like. 

 

Gene

 


Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I remember that old Apple 2 E and the speech on it was really funny! I got a good laugh out of the way it pronounced the word "friend". The guy sounded like a Southerner--hahahahahahahahaha. This guy/gal would have a blast reading with it--hahaha.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

Hey somebody buy this guy/chick a old Echo speech synth that was once used on the old Apple 2 E and 2 GS. He/she will have fun reading fan fic on that thing hehehehehehe!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

I'll admit I've not heard Eloquence outside of Jaws and the addon I was sent some years back. I didn't know the version in Jaws was different to Eloquence on its own. The one in the addon I have doesn't pause very long between sentences. Also, I just do not like to speed up my synth too much. I still think of how some of you can listen to something at the highest rate possible and understand it. I've tried increasing it a little, but it's just not enjoyable for me.

 

That said, I'm now very used to Espeak, and it may not be an improvement over Eloquence in the opinion of some, but it was definitely an improvement over Microsoft Anna, which was what I had been stuck with via Narrator until I discovered NVDA. Espeak is the voice of NVDA to me now, and other synths fall short in many ways.

 

On 26/03/2018 7:20 PM, Gene wrote:

You wrote:

I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I have compared
it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound.

 

That is a very inaccurate comparison.  E-Speak has more high end in the s sounds and the voice may have a little more high end but hardly comparable to FM radio or CD quality sound.  and why is the difference of perhaps two thousand or three thousand KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around 7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of any real importance?  I would imagine you talk on the phone without worrying about such things. 

 

Eloquence has much better understandability of speech at higher speeds, and pronounces a lot more words correctly. 

 

Also, I don't know if you are talking about Eloquence as modified by the producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is unmodified.  The JAWS designers customized it.  If you are saying it isn't crisp because you are thinking of JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate representation of what unmodified Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS modifiers took out pauses at periods.  That seriously degrades reading, that the modified version doesn't pause at periods. 

 

You may be pleasantly surprised if you try the demo of the HTML version.  If you haven't heard unmodified Eloquence, you don't know what it really sounds like. 

 

Gene

 

 


Re: FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Joseph,

 

Wow, what a great presentation you did! I'm looking forward to the new spring creators update.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Hi,

If you are curious as to what Windows 10 Spring Creators Update (Version 1803) sounds like, here is your chance. Enjoy the presentation recording.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 7:10 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Hi all,

 

The recording from today’s Accessible World Tek Talk presentation is now up:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/winten1803.mp3

 

Presentation outline:

  • Introduction: what Windows 10 have been up to.
  • Past: Emoji panel, dictation everywhere, cloud-powered image recognition in Narrator.
  • Present (1803): Focus Assist, Timeline, Ease of Access changes, multi-instance universal apps, built-in OpenSSH client/server, run apps in admin mode from Run dialog.
  • Future (Redstone 5): Sets/app tabs.

I’d like to thank those present, including at least two Microsoft staff.

 

Enjoy the presentation (and spread far and wide).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Thanks for this joseph, I missed out the presentation.

On 27/03/2018 3:37 p.m., Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Joseph. I was in the room earlier today but I didn't attend the whole
presentation. I heard some of it! Great job Joseph!


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording
available


Hi,

If you are curious as to what Windows 10 Spring Creators Update (Version
1803) sounds like, here is your chance. Enjoy the presentation recording.

Cheers,

Joseph


From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 7:10 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available


Hi all,


The recording from today's Accessible World Tek Talk presentation is now up:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/winten1803.mp3


Presentation outline:

* Introduction: what Windows 10 have been up to.
* Past: Emoji panel, dictation everywhere, cloud-powered image
recognition in Narrator.
* Present (1803): Focus Assist, Timeline, Ease of Access changes,
multi-instance universal apps, built-in OpenSSH client/server, run apps in
admin mode from Run dialog.
* Future (Redstone 5): Sets/app tabs.

I'd like to thank those present, including at least two Microsoft staff.


Enjoy the presentation (and spread far and wide).

Cheers,

Joseph




Re: microsoft turn round on skype

 

you need to select tablet tab and you can get classic skype from there.

or

https://get.skype.com/go/getskype-windows

I was able to get the full setup today, it appears the stub is available here for it.

On 27/03/2018 2:07 p.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Well the new version of Skype Classic is not available on the site. It took me to the 8.1 download page. So don’t get too comfortable Seany boy.
Lino Morales

From: Shaun Everiss<mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 9:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] microsoft turn round on skype

Hi all.

Today I recieved a skype update.

I was surprised I thought ms had abandond skype 7.

But no, aparently not.

If you download skype select the tablet tab and you can get classic skype.

I updated from skype itself, and I still had skype classic.

What this means, is interesting in itself.

We can choose classic again, I do wander if people complained to ms a
lot and they finally saw reason.

For me it means at least for the short term till ms decides to plonk
skype classic yet again I can continue to work with skype classic on
win7 and maybe on 10.

I am not apposed to updating skype, but skype7 is accessible, and I have
been using it for ages.

Bar the occasional calls and such there are a lot of things skype 8 and
uaps are missing.

Maybe its the big improvement ms is making with skype, and maybe they
realise they are not there yet.

Fact is, skype just got an update dispite what they said about an
insecure installer.

That for me at least for now means progress.

Eventually I will probably get a smartphone maybe an ios device, the
fact is I will have loads of uses for other forms of communication.

If skype gets to rubbish, I may simply close down skype entirely.

My ms account's main focus is mainly for knfb reader but to be hones bar
the apps I purchaced there is little keeping me and microsoft online
friends at all.

It used to be music, music, apps, skype.

Now its just some apps and with the apps being well who knows, and no
music, there is just 1 app I brought, and skype.

Hardly any of my contacts talk on skype with me anymore bar the nvda dev
group, and if it gets to hairy I will get rid of that group, there were
also test groups about to for different things but I will now try to
find nonskype things to do the tests with.






Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'm using the American voice and it's great. I'm using the Max varient and I think he's the clearest of all the voices. The female 5 voice is pretty clear too.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

I use the  american variant for espeak. It is the best one out there, I think it is the klat one I use. That sounds like chocolate to my ear.



On Mar 26, 2018, at 4:03 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:

 

I've tried other synths in the past, and know their issues from sometimes painful experience. Some of the Speech Platform voices cannot even pronounce the "n" in my name and mispronounce so many other things that it's honestly too frustrating to work with them at all. The Vocaliser voices I've tried are equally frustrating. If I somehow get them to say the word correctly, they don't stress the right syllables and I have no idea how to change that behaviour.

 

I may consider buying the legal Eloquence addon if it is as good as you say, but that will have to be at a time when my finances are not so tight.

 

On 27/03/2018 8:42 AM, Gene wrote:

You don’t know how the Eloquence synthesizer would work with the dictionary you already have.  Your generalization about other synthesizers is just that, a generalization.  You don't know if it applies to Eloquence.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:30 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

I will add that one of my favourite features to work with in NVDA is the
Speech Dictionary. Espeak might have some issues out of the box, but it
is quite receptive to alternative pronunciations via the Speech
Dictionary, and I have made liberal use of it. Other synths are more
annoying to work with on that score.


On 27/03/2018 2:16 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
> I would never use the "human sounding" voices for using the computer, however, for reading long articles, or a short book, I would not want to use something like Eloquence, or heaven's sake, not eSpeak.
> The human-sounding voices are good for strictly listening, where there is little or no keyboard input.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 1:12 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
>
> Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
>> This is what talking books are for. Regardless of what synth I use. You realize bla hearing a book ready by a speech synth would be? Boring. It would put me to sleep.
>
> But not all books are made into audio books. In fact, the vast majority are not. And if you're into online fiction, synth reading is the only game in town.
>
>
>
>
>
>



 

 


Re: FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

He already sent the link that was in the message he forward from the win 10 list.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 9:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Hi joseph

Can you please send us the link from where I can download the recording?

Thanks in advance for your help

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 27 March 2018 04:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Hi,

If you are curious as to what Windows 10 Spring Creators Update (Version 1803) sounds like, here is your chance. Enjoy the presentation recording.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 7:10 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Hi all,

 

The recording from today’s Accessible World Tek Talk presentation is now up:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/winten1803.mp3

 

Presentation outline:

  • Introduction: what Windows 10 have been up to.
  • Past: Emoji panel, dictation everywhere, cloud-powered image recognition in Narrator.
  • Present (1803): Focus Assist, Timeline, Ease of Access changes, multi-instance universal apps, built-in OpenSSH client/server, run apps in admin mode from Run dialog.
  • Future (Redstone 5): Sets/app tabs.

I’d like to thank those present, including at least two Microsoft staff.

 

Enjoy the presentation (and spread far and wide).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

anthony borg
 

Hi joseph

Can you please send us the link from where I can download the recording?

Thanks in advance for your help

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 27 March 2018 04:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Hi,

If you are curious as to what Windows 10 Spring Creators Update (Version 1803) sounds like, here is your chance. Enjoy the presentation recording.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 7:10 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Hi all,

 

The recording from today’s Accessible World Tek Talk presentation is now up:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/winten1803.mp3

 

Presentation outline:

  • Introduction: what Windows 10 have been up to.
  • Past: Emoji panel, dictation everywhere, cloud-powered image recognition in Narrator.
  • Present (1803): Focus Assist, Timeline, Ease of Access changes, multi-instance universal apps, built-in OpenSSH client/server, run apps in admin mode from Run dialog.
  • Future (Redstone 5): Sets/app tabs.

I’d like to thank those present, including at least two Microsoft staff.

 

Enjoy the presentation (and spread far and wide).

Cheers,

Joseph


station play list query

anthony borg
 

Hi folks
Can somebody explain to me how to use station play list please?
Thanks in advance
Anthony


Re: microsoft turn round on skype

inamuddinInam Uddin
 

Yes dear it has updated and you will download it by clicking:

http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

If you cannot do it, why not you refresh your browser!

HTH

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

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At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
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Add my Skype ID:
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Follow me on my twitter ID:
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From: Lino Morales
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 6:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] microsoft turn round on skype

 

 

Well the new version of Skype Classic is not available on the site. It took me to the 8.1 download page. So don’t get too comfortable Seany boy.

Lino Morales

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 9:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] microsoft turn round on skype

 

Hi all.

Today I recieved a skype update.

I was surprised I thought ms had abandond skype 7.

But no, aparently not.

If you download skype select the tablet tab and you can get classic skype.

I updated from skype itself, and I still had skype classic.

What this means, is interesting in itself.

We can choose classic again, I do wander if people complained to ms a
lot and they finally saw reason.

For me it means at least for the short term till ms decides to plonk
skype classic yet again I can continue to work with skype classic on
win7 and maybe on 10.

I am not apposed to updating skype, but skype7 is accessible, and I have
been using it for ages.

Bar the occasional calls and such there are a lot of things skype 8 and
uaps are missing.

Maybe its the big improvement ms is making with skype, and maybe they
realise they are not there yet.

Fact is, skype just got an update dispite what they said about an
insecure installer.

That for me at least for now means progress.

Eventually I will probably get a smartphone maybe an ios device, the
fact is I will have loads of uses for other forms of communication.

If skype gets to rubbish, I may simply close down skype entirely.

My ms account's main focus is mainly for knfb reader but to be hones bar
the apps I purchaced there is little keeping me and microsoft online
friends at all.

It used to be music, music, apps, skype.

Now its just some apps and with the apps being well who knows, and no
music, there is just 1 app I brought, and skype.

Hardly any of my contacts talk on skype with me anymore bar the nvda dev
group, and if it gets to hairy I will get rid of that group, there were
also test groups about to for different things but I will now try to
find nonskype things to do the tests with.