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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
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On Tuesday 27 March 2018 at 19:43:05, Ronald J Glaser wrote: how much does that translate into for us dollars?
On 3/27/2018 12:31 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!
Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Hi does this have fast response time when you read with it? Yes, it haves.
Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Also can you only use it with NVDA or other speech synth as well like
Jaws? No, it is SAPI5, so you can use it with any app that uses SAPI5
protocole, like Narrator and so on...
Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
And how much does it cost to purchase this if you decide to purchase it. We are asking 75 EUR.
Best regards,
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
how much does that translate into for us dollars?
On 3/27/2018 12:31 PM, Rui Fontes
wrote:
Hello!
Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Hi does
this have fast response time when you read with it?
Yes, it haves.
Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Also
can you only use it with NVDA or other speech synth as well like
Jaws?
No, it is SAPI5, so you can use it with any app that uses SAPI5
protocole, like Narrator and so on...
Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
And how
much does it cost to purchase this if you decide to purchase it.
We are asking 75 EUR.
Best regards,
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
Hi thanks for the reply.
But now if you are in the united states how much does it cost and can you demo it or hear A sample of this in use before one can purchase it to see if we would want it or not for sure?
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On 3/27/2018 12:31 PM, Rui Fontes wrote: Hello!
Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Hi does this have fast response time when you read with it? Yes, it haves.
Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Also can you only use it with NVDA or other speech synth as well like Jaws? No, it is SAPI5, so you can use it with any app that uses SAPI5 protocole, like Narrator and so on...
Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
And how much does it cost to purchase this if you decide to purchase it. We are asking 75 EUR.
Best regards,
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
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Casey
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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
Hello! Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu: Hi does this have fast response time when you read with it? Yes, it haves. Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu: Also can you only use it with NVDA or other speech synth as well like Jaws? No, it is SAPI5, so you can use it with any app that uses SAPI5 protocole, like Narrator and so on... Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu: And how much does it cost to purchase this if you decide to purchase it. We are asking 75 EUR. Best regards, Rui Fontes Tiflotecnia, Lda.
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Re: Qwiklabs virtual machines
You should be able to connect to the Linux machines the way you'd connect to any Linux machine, I'd think. As for Windows, I'd try putting NVDA with NVDA Remote on the virtual machine and installing NVDA Remote on the machine you're trying to connect from, and see if that works.
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On 3/27/2018 11:56, Ali Colak wrote: Hello all,
I am currently doing a course where I have to work with virtual
instances of windows and Linux on google Qwiklabs environment. I have
tried both using Google's chrome environment with the RDP ap, and
tried using the windows remote ap. neither works with a screen reader.
Any suggestions? I know that some people have worked before with
bootable virtual machines before, but they were booting from an actual
physical drive and not connecting remotely I believe.
Thanks for your help
Ali
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer
hi what all comes with open office and is it all free?
Also how well does it work with Jaws 2018 as well?
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On 3/27/2018 9:32 AM, zahra wrote: hi.
thanks so much for list of shortcuts.
for users who want to download libreoffice:
www.libreoffice.org/download
God bless you all!
On 3/27/18, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:
very nice
where could i downlode lebrea office?
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Ballou
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer
Hi,
Here are the keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer.
Tony
Keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer
Keyboard shortcut
Command
Control-a
Select All
Control-b
Bold text
Control-c
Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard
Control-x
Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard
Control-v
Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you
specify
keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original
and the specified location.
When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only
Control-Shift-v
Paste Special
pastes formatting, and formatted text from the clipboard
control-alt-shift-V
Pastes unformatted text from the clipboard
control-E
Centers text
Control f
Find text
Control -g
Go To
control-H
Find and replace Text
Control-I
Italicize text
Control-J
Justify Text
Control-l
Left align text
Control-r
Right align text
Control-n
Creates a new blank Document
Control-o
Brings up the open file dialog box
Control-P
Brings up the Print Dialog box
Control-S
Saves the current open Document. If it is a new one, the save as dialog
box will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a
specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the
case of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location
such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.
Control u
Underlines text
Control-y
redoes your last action
control-z
undoes your last action
Control-Shift-P
inserts superscript
Control-shift-b
Inserts subscript
Control-Enter
Page break
Navigation Keyboard shortcuts
left arrow
moves one character to the left
shift-left arrow
highlights the character to the left
Right arrow
moves one character to the right
Shift-right arrow
Highlights the character to the right
up arrow
moves up one line
Shift-up arrow
Highlights text in an upward direction
Down arrow
Moves down one line
Shift-down arrow
Highlights text in a downward direction
Control -left arrow
moves one word to the left
control-right arrow
moves one word to the right
Control-shift-left arrow
Highlights the word to the left
Control-Shift-right arrow
Highlights the word to the right
Control-up arrow
moves to the beginning of the previous paragraph
Control-shift-up arrow
highlights the text to the beginning of the paragraph
Control-Down arrow
Moves to the end of the paragraph
Control-Shift-down arrow
Highlights the text to the end of the paragraph
Home
Moves to the beginning of the line
shift-home
Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the line
End
Moves to the end of the line
Shift-end
Highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the line
Control-home
moves the cursor to the beginning of the document
Control-End
Moves the cursor to the end of the document
Control-shift-home
Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the
document
Control-shift-end
highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the document
Page up
moves the cursor up one screen
(this is approximately 24 lines)
Page down
Moves the cursor down one screen
(This is approximately 24 lines)
Shift-page up
Highlights the text up by one screen
Shift-page down
Highlights the text down by one screen
Control-Backspace
Ce
Deletes the text to the beginning of the word
Control-delete
Deletes the text to the end of the word
Control-shift-backspace
deletes the text to the beginning of the sentence
Control-shift Delete
Deletes the text to the end of a sentence
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Casey
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Qwiklabs virtual machines
Hello all,
I am currently doing a course where I have to work with virtual
instances of windows and Linux on google Qwiklabs environment. I have
tried both using Google's chrome environment with the RDP ap, and
tried using the windows remote ap. neither works with a screen reader.
Any suggestions? I know that some people have worked before with
bootable virtual machines before, but they were booting from an actual
physical drive and not connecting remotely I believe.
Thanks for your help
Ali
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Re: email list for open office users
Oh wow! I'm looking forward to the shorcut keys for kelp. They'll come in handy--especially since I want to start creating a budget. Thanks so much for all your help. Rosemarie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:02 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users Hi Gang, I've got the keyboard shortcuts for open and libre office writer coming up. They will be in separate posts that way there's no room for confusion. Will have the open and libre office calc shortcuts for you once I get back from working out. Tony On 3/27/2018 2:13 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: You're right. The list of shortcut keys for open office and libre office will be helpful for all of us. That sort of thing is not a clutter to the list, it will help all. I save such list messages for later reference. Glenn Hi Guys, Let me dig them up and I'll make sure you get them. Tony On 3/25/2018 6:47 PM, David Moore wrote: I would really like those key commands as well Please! I am very interested in using both and picking which one appeals to me more! Thanks a lot, in advance. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Hi, Tony, I'd love to have a list of the keyboard shortcuts for both open office and libre office. If you'd like, you can send them to me off list so we don't clutter up the list. My email address is knitqueen2007@.... Rosemarie Hi Rosemarie, I've been messing around with both open and libre offices writers for about 1 year and a half or so, and found keyboard shortcut lists for both. I also found the keyboard shortcuts for open office calc. If you want I can send you those. I'm not sure if there is an email list, for blind users of these programs though. I haven't seen anything come across the boards about one. It would be interesting to know if such list are out there. Tony On 3/23/2018 3:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: Hi, everyone, Is there an email list for open office users? I'd especially like to learn kelp and writer. Thanks for your help in advance. Rosemarie
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer
Hi, Tony, Thanks so much for these shortcut keystrokes for libre office writer. I'll keep this message for future reference. Rosemarie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer Hi, Here are the keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer. Tony
Keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer Keyboard shortcut Command Control-a Select All Control-b Bold text Control-c Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard Control-x Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard Control-v Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you specify keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original and the specified location. When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only Control-Shift-v Paste Special pastes formatting, and formatted text from the clipboard control-alt-shift-V Pastes unformatted text from the clipboard control-E Centers text Control f Find text Control -g Go To control-H Find and replace Text Control-I Italicize text Control-J Justify Text Control-l Left align text Control-r Right align text Control-n Creates a new blank Document Control-o Brings up the open file dialog box Control-P Brings up the Print Dialog box Control-S Saves the current open Document. If it is a new one, the save as dialog box will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the case of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device. Control u Underlines text Control-y redoes your last action control-z undoes your last action Control-Shift-P inserts superscript Control-shift-b Inserts subscript Control-Enter Page break Navigation Keyboard shortcuts left arrow moves one character to the left shift-left arrow highlights the character to the left Right arrow moves one character to the right Shift-right arrow Highlights the character to the right up arrow moves up one line Shift-up arrow Highlights text in an upward direction Down arrow Moves down one line Shift-down arrow Highlights text in a downward direction Control -left arrow moves one word to the left control-right arrow moves one word to the right Control-shift-left arrow Highlights the word to the left Control-Shift-right arrow Highlights the word to the right Control-up arrow moves to the beginning of the previous paragraph Control-shift-up arrow highlights the text to the beginning of the paragraph Control-Down arrow Moves to the end of the paragraph Control-Shift-down arrow Highlights the text to the end of the paragraph Home Moves to the beginning of the line shift-home Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the line End Moves to the end of the line Shift-end Highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the line Control-home moves the cursor to the beginning of the document Control-End Moves the cursor to the end of the document Control-shift-home Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the document Control-shift-end highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the document Page up moves the cursor up one screen (this is approximately 24 lines) Page down Moves the cursor down one screen (This is approximately 24 lines) Shift-page up Highlights the text up by one screen Shift-page down Highlights the text down by one screen Control-Backspace Ce Deletes the text to the beginning of the word Control-delete Deletes the text to the end of the word Control-shift-backspace deletes the text to the beginning of the sentence Control-shift Delete Deletes the text to the end of a sentence
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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
I don't know where to begin, so I'll just pick a point in all this thread and go from there. It is not logical to assume the developers will make a change for just one person, therefore, might I suggest creating an issue on github with specific problems bullet pointed, and ask everyone in the list to look at this and reply to the issue if they have similar problems. To whoever was saying whether or not Eloquence dictionaries will be applied to eSPeak ones or not, no, definitely not, Eloquence has hard and fast rules and is most inflexible in changing its pronunciation, eSpeak bends more easily, so the same modifications you would need to make eSpeak say a name correctly would most likely not work in Eloquence. I would recommend against buying a sapi addon unless it will only be used for long reading, as navigating the system and so forth, these voices have too much latency to be practical. I would also recommend against purchasing the vocalizer / eloquence addon for NVDA made by code factory. This addon is quite frankly junk. The Eloquence portion of it crackles and pops, and this behavior has been tested on two machines. It also uses extremely long pauses at punctuation marks like a comma or period. It cannot be configured to be shorter.
One option left to the OP is to obtain NVDA from source code via github and they would then have the ability to place whatever version of eSpeak they would wish to use, then build it. This is a long view scenario, and would require certain knowledge of how to clone a git repository, as well as using scons to build it. Also, the repo doesn't come with scons, so finding that is another challenge.
I don't use eSpeak, I don't like it, can't stand it, never could. Now, aside from that, I have noticed an unpleasant quality of the voice that appears in most variants since the switch to NG. I cannot describe this quality accurately. Suffice it to say that it appears almost as a random series of very light clicks is injected into the speech stream. This is highly distracting as it just sounds terrible. Again, this has been tested on at least 3 machines and found to be the case among all of them. Keeping in mind that this machine has no trouble running higher quality human sounding concatinative synths, so I doubt its a performance issue. I have cooked up my own variants and they are affected as well. Maybe I will record it, because I can't put it into words, it is definitely not the voice crackling, or breaking up, it is as if someone hijacked the audiostream, modifying it memory to include these tiny little clicks and then let it pass to the sound card that way.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote: If I run it too fast, I may understand it all, but I cannot retain the information, my puny brain needs time to process it for retention.
Glenn
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto: nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
I know people that can run speech as fast as it would go, 300-600 wpm.
But I was never able to do that, when in university, I ran at 200-300wpm at a stretch.
Once out of university I dropped back to 120, simply put yes I could get the gist but I could never understand things at that speed.
As an admin and support person I need to understand what the heck my speech is saying.
Testing websites and stuff will give me inaccessible things, broken things and really bad things, running fast will not get me anywhere.
On 27/03/2018 7:29 p.m., Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
> Well, it's a good thing the only career I intend on having is that of a fantasy writer, then, isn't it? :D
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> On 27/03/2018 5:05 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> If you had a job that involved listening like a customer service rep, you'd have no choice but to get used to listening to your screen reader at a faster speed.
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> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto: nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto: nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:19 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto: nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
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> I'll admit I've not heard Eloquence outside of Jaws and the addon I was sent some years back. I didn't know the version in Jaws was different to Eloquence on its own. The one in the addon I have doesn't pause very long between sentences. Also, I just do not like to speed up my synth too much. I still think of how some of you can listen to something at the highest rate possible and understand it. I've tried increasing it a little, but it's just not enjoyable for me.
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> That said, I'm now very used to Espeak, and it may not be an improvement over Eloquence in the opinion of some, but it was definitely an improvement over Microsoft Anna, which was what I had been stuck with via Narrator until I discovered NVDA. Espeak is the voice of NVDA to me now, and other synths fall short in many ways.
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> On 26/03/2018 7:20 PM, Gene wrote:
> You wrote:
> I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I have compared
> it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound.
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> That is a very inaccurate comparison. E-Speak has more high end in the s sounds and the voice may have a little more high end but hardly comparable to FM radio or CD quality sound. and why is the difference of perhaps two thousand or three thousand KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around 7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of any real importance? I would imagine you talk on the phone without worrying about such things.
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> Eloquence has much better understandability of speech at higher speeds, and pronounces a lot more words correctly.
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> Also, I don't know if you are talking about Eloquence as modified by the producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is unmodified. The JAWS designers customized it. If you are saying it isn't crisp because you are thinking of JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate representation of what unmodified Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS modifiers took out pauses at periods. That seriously degrades reading, that the modified version doesn't pause at periods.
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> You may be pleasantly surprised if you try the demo of the HTML version. If you haven't heard unmodified Eloquence, you don't know what it really sounds like.
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> Gene
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Re: keyboard shortcuts for open office writer
can you please mention the differences between open and libreoffice shortcuts?
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On 3/27/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote: Thanks Tony.
Glenn
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] keyboard shortcuts for open office writer
Hi,
Not really. There may be a few that are different here and there, but from
what I've seen, for the most part, they are pretty much the same. '
Tony
On 3/27/2018 10:38 AM, zahra wrote:
hi.
thanks again for your great work.
is there any difference between shortcuts of openoffice and libreoffice?
On 3/27/18, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@...> wrote:
Hi,
Here are the keyboard shortcuts for open office writer.
Tony
Keyboard shortcuts for open office writer
Keyboard shortcut
Command
Control-a
Select All
Control-b
Bold text
Control-c
Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard
Control-x
Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard
Control-v
Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that
you
specify
keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the
original
and the specified location.
When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only
control-E
Centers text
Control f
Find and replace Text
Control -g
Go To
Italic
Control-I
Control-J
Justify Text
Control-l
Left align text
Control-r
Right align text
Control-n
Creates a new blank Document
Control-o
Brings up the open file dialog box
Control-P
Brings up the Print Dialog box
Control-S
Saves the current open Document. If it is a new one, the save as dialog
box
will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a
specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in
the
case of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific
location
such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.
Control u
Underlines text
Control-y
redoes your last action
control-z
undoes your last action
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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali
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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
Hi does this have fast response time when you read with it?
Also can you only use it with NVDA or other speech synth as well like Jaws?
And how much does it cost to purchase this if you decide to purchase it.
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On 3/27/2018 8:52 AM, Rui Fontes wrote: Hello!
You can find the installer on:
http://tiflotecnia.net/eloquence_sapi5_tiflo.exe
You have one or two weeks to try...
Best regards,
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
Às 02:25 de 27/03/2018, Ronald J Glaser escreveu:
Where can you find this addon, and how much is it?
On 3/26/2018 8:01 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what you will think of it but you can try the demo if you want to evaluate it. As I recall, it runs for seven days.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sharni-Lee Ward <mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...>
*Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 6:03 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
I've tried other synths in the past, and know their issues from sometimes painful experience. Some of the Speech Platform voices cannot even pronounce the "n" in my name and mispronounce so many other things that it's honestly too frustrating to work with them at all. The Vocaliser voices I've tried are equally frustrating. If I somehow get them to say the word correctly, they don't stress the right syllables and I have no idea how to change that behaviour.
I may consider buying the legal Eloquence addon if it is as good as you say, but that will have to be at a time when my finances are not so tight.
On 27/03/2018 8:42 AM, Gene wrote:
You don’t know how the Eloquence synthesizer would work with the dictionary you already have. Your generalization about other synthesizers is just that, a generalization. You don't know if it applies to Eloquence.
Gene
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*From:* Sharni-Lee Ward <mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...>
*Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 3:30 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
I will add that one of my favourite features to work with in NVDA is the
Speech Dictionary. Espeak might have some issues out of the box, but it
is quite receptive to alternative pronunciations via the Speech
Dictionary, and I have made liberal use of it. Other synths are more
annoying to work with on that score.
On 27/03/2018 2:16 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
I would never use the "human sounding" voices for using the computer, however, for reading long articles, or a short book, I would not want to use something like Eloquence, or heaven's sake, not eSpeak.
The human-sounding voices are good for strictly listening, where there is little or no keyboard input.
Glenn
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 1:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
<mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
This is what talking books are for. Regardless of what synth I
use. You realize bla hearing a book ready by a speech synth would be? Boring. It would put me to sleep.
But not all books are made into audio books. In fact, the vast
majority are not. And if you're into online fiction, synth reading is the only game in town.
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Makes The Day Go Right!
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Re: keyboard shortcuts for open office writer
Thanks Tony.
Glenn
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:43 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] keyboard shortcuts for open office writer Hi, Not really. There may be a few that are different here and there, but from what I've seen, for the most part, they are pretty much the same. ' Tony On 3/27/2018 10:38 AM, zahra wrote: hi.
thanks again for your great work.
is there any difference between shortcuts of openoffice and libreoffice?
On 3/27/18, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@...> wrote:
Hi,
Here are the keyboard shortcuts for open office writer.
Tony
Keyboard shortcuts for open office writer
Keyboard shortcut
Command
Control-a
Select All
Control-b
Bold text
Control-c
Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard
Control-x
Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard
Control-v
Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you
specify
keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original
and the specified location.
When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only
control-E
Centers text
Control f
Find and replace Text
Control -g
Go To
Italic
Control-I
Control-J
Justify Text
Control-l
Left align text
Control-r
Right align text
Control-n
Creates a new blank Document
Control-o
Brings up the open file dialog box
Control-P
Brings up the Print Dialog box
Control-S
Saves the current open Document. If it is a new one, the save as dialog box
will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a
specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the
case of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location
such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.
Control u
Underlines text
Control-y
redoes your last action
control-z
undoes your last action
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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
If I run it too fast, I may understand it all, but I cannot retain the information, my puny brain needs time to process it for retention.
Glenn
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:14 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4? I know people that can run speech as fast as it would go, 300-600 wpm. But I was never able to do that, when in university, I ran at 200-300wpm at a stretch. Once out of university I dropped back to 120, simply put yes I could get the gist but I could never understand things at that speed. As an admin and support person I need to understand what the heck my speech is saying. Testing websites and stuff will give me inaccessible things, broken things and really bad things, running fast will not get me anywhere. On 27/03/2018 7:29 p.m., Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Well, it's a good thing the only career I intend on having is that of a fantasy writer, then, isn't it? :D
On 27/03/2018 5:05 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
If you had a job that involved listening like a customer service rep, you'd have no choice but to get used to listening to your screen reader at a faster speed.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
I'll admit I've not heard Eloquence outside of Jaws and the addon I was sent some years back. I didn't know the version in Jaws was different to Eloquence on its own. The one in the addon I have doesn't pause very long between sentences. Also, I just do not like to speed up my synth too much. I still think of how some of you can listen to something at the highest rate possible and understand it. I've tried increasing it a little, but it's just not enjoyable for me.
That said, I'm now very used to Espeak, and it may not be an improvement over Eloquence in the opinion of some, but it was definitely an improvement over Microsoft Anna, which was what I had been stuck with via Narrator until I discovered NVDA. Espeak is the voice of NVDA to me now, and other synths fall short in many ways.
On 26/03/2018 7:20 PM, Gene wrote:
You wrote:
I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I have compared
it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound.
That is a very inaccurate comparison. E-Speak has more high end in the s sounds and the voice may have a little more high end but hardly comparable to FM radio or CD quality sound. and why is the difference of perhaps two thousand or three thousand KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around 7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of any real importance? I would imagine you talk on the phone without worrying about such things.
Eloquence has much better understandability of speech at higher speeds, and pronounces a lot more words correctly.
Also, I don't know if you are talking about Eloquence as modified by the producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is unmodified. The JAWS designers customized it. If you are saying it isn't crisp because you are thinking of JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate representation of what unmodified Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS modifiers took out pauses at periods. That seriously degrades reading, that the modified version doesn't pause at periods.
You may be pleasantly surprised if you try the demo of the HTML version. If you haven't heard unmodified Eloquence, you don't know what it really sounds like.
Gene
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Re: keyboard shortcuts for open office writer
Hi,
Not really. There may be a few that are different here and there, but
from what I've seen, for the most part, they are pretty much the same. '
Tony
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On 3/27/2018 10:38 AM, zahra wrote: hi.
thanks again for your great work.
is there any difference between shortcuts of openoffice and libreoffice?
On 3/27/18, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@...> wrote:
Hi,
Here are the keyboard shortcuts for open office writer.
Tony
Keyboard shortcuts for open office writer
Keyboard shortcut
Command
Control-a
Select All
Control-b
Bold text
Control-c
Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard
Control-x
Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard
Control-v
Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you
specify
keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original
and the specified location.
When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only
control-E
Centers text
Control f
Find and replace Text
Control -g
Go To
Italic
Control-I
Control-J
Justify Text
Control-l
Left align text
Control-r
Right align text
Control-n
Creates a new blank Document
Control-o
Brings up the open file dialog box
Control-P
Brings up the Print Dialog box
Control-S
Saves the current open Document. If it is a new one, the save as dialog box
will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a
specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the
case of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location
such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.
Control u
Underlines text
Control-y
redoes your last action
control-z
undoes your last action
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer
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On 3/27/2018 10:18 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:
very nice
where could i downlode lebrea office?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer
Hi,
Here are the keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer.
Tony
Keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer
Keyboard shortcut
Command
Control-a
Select All
Control-b
Bold text
Control-c
Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard
Control-x
Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard
Control-v
Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you specify
keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original and the specified location.
When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only
Control-Shift-v
Paste Special
pastes formatting, and formatted text from the clipboard
control-alt-shift-V
Pastes unformatted text from the clipboard
control-E
Centers text
Control f
Find text
Control -g
Go To
control-H
Find and replace Text
Control-I
Italicize text
Control-J
Justify Text
Control-l
Left align text
Control-r
Right align text
Control-n
Creates a new blank Document
Control-o
Brings up the open file dialog box
Control-P
Brings up the Print Dialog box
Control-S
Saves the current open Document.
If it is a new one, the save as dialog box will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the case
of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.
Control u
Underlines text
Control-y
redoes your last action
control-z
undoes your last action
Control-Shift-P
inserts superscript
Control-shift-b
Inserts subscript
Control-Enter
Page break
Navigation Keyboard shortcuts
left arrow
moves one character to the left
shift-left arrow
highlights the character to the left
Right arrow
moves one character to the right
Shift-right arrow
Highlights the character to the right
up arrow
moves up one line
Shift-up arrow
Highlights text in an upward direction
Down arrow
Moves down one line
Shift-down arrow
Highlights text in a downward direction
Control -left arrow
moves one word to the left
control-right arrow
moves one word to the right
Control-shift-left arrow
Highlights the word to the left
Control-Shift-right arrow
Highlights the word to the right
Control-up arrow
moves to the beginning of the previous paragraph
Control-shift-up arrow
highlights the text to the beginning of the paragraph
Control-Down arrow
Moves to the end of the paragraph
Control-Shift-down arrow
Highlights the text to the end of the paragraph
Home
Moves to the beginning of the line
shift-home
Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the line
End
Moves to the end of the line
Shift-end
Highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the line
Control-home
moves the cursor to the beginning of the document
Control-End
Moves the cursor to the end of the document
Control-shift-home
Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the document
Control-shift-end
highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the document
Page up
moves the cursor up one screen
(this is approximately 24 lines)
Page down
Moves the cursor down one screen
(This is approximately 24 lines)
Shift-page up
Highlights the text up by one screen
Shift-page down
Highlights the text down by one screen
Control-Backspace
Ce
Deletes the text to the beginning of the word
Control-delete
Deletes the text to the end of the word
Control-shift-backspace
deletes the text to the beginning of the sentence
Control-shift Delete
Deletes the text to the end of a sentence
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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
For me, it’s not that the eSpeak voices aren’t clear, or intelligible, it’s more that they sound too robotic, even with the settings set different.
To me, all variations of eSpeak have a mechanical tone to them, not smooth like Eloquence, which although does still sound synthetic, just is less, well, mechanical
sounding.
However, I would select eSpeak over the more human-sounding voices if there was no Eloquence.
Glenn
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 12:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
I'm using the American voice and it's great. I'm using the Max varient and I think he's the clearest of all the voices. The female 5 voice is pretty clear too.
I use the american variant for espeak. It is the best one out there, I think it is the klat one I use. That sounds like chocolate to my ear.
I've tried other synths in the past, and know their issues from sometimes painful experience. Some of the Speech Platform voices cannot even pronounce the "n" in my name and mispronounce
so many other things that it's honestly too frustrating to work with them at all. The Vocaliser voices I've tried are equally frustrating. If I somehow get them to say the word correctly, they don't stress the right syllables and I have no idea how to change
that behaviour.
I may consider buying the legal Eloquence addon if it is as good as you say, but that will have to be at a time when my finances are not so tight.
On 27/03/2018 8:42 AM, Gene wrote:
You don’t know how the Eloquence synthesizer would work with the dictionary you already have. Your generalization about other synthesizers is just that, a generalization.
You don't know if it applies to Eloquence.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements
to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
I will add that one of my favourite features to work with in NVDA is the
Speech Dictionary. Espeak might have some issues out of the box, but it
is quite receptive to alternative pronunciations via the Speech
Dictionary, and I have made liberal use of it. Other synths are more
annoying to work with on that score.
On 27/03/2018 2:16 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
> I would never use the "human sounding" voices for using the computer, however, for reading long articles, or a short book, I would not want to use something like Eloquence, or heaven's sake, not eSpeak.
> The human-sounding voices are good for strictly listening, where there is little or no keyboard input.
> Glenn
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 1:12 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
>
> Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
>> This is what talking books are for. Regardless of what synth I use. You realize bla hearing a book ready by a speech synth would be? Boring. It would put me to sleep.
>
> But not all books are made into audio books. In fact, the vast majority are not. And if you're into online fiction, synth reading is the only game in town.
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer
Brian's Mail list account
And there is a portable version as well. i will say one word of warning though, i don't think say all works yet and there is no browse and foocus mode as there is in Word.
Work is being done to fix the recently introduced problem reading tables in Writer.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer hi.
thanks so much for list of shortcuts.
for users who want to download libreoffice:
www.libreoffice.org/download
God bless you all!
On 3/27/18, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:
very nice
where could i downlode lebrea office?
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Ballou
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer
Hi,
Here are the keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer.
Tony
Keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer
Keyboard shortcut
Command
Control-a
Select All
Control-b
Bold text
Control-c
Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard
Control-x
Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard
Control-v
Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you
specify
keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original
and the specified location.
When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only
Control-Shift-v
Paste Special
pastes formatting, and formatted text from the clipboard
control-alt-shift-V
Pastes unformatted text from the clipboard
control-E
Centers text
Control f
Find text
Control -g
Go To
control-H
Find and replace Text
Control-I
Italicize text
Control-J
Justify Text
Control-l
Left align text
Control-r
Right align text
Control-n
Creates a new blank Document
Control-o
Brings up the open file dialog box
Control-P
Brings up the Print Dialog box
Control-S
Saves the current open Document. If it is a new one, the save as dialog
box will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a
specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the
case of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location
such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.
Control u
Underlines text
Control-y
redoes your last action
control-z
undoes your last action
Control-Shift-P
inserts superscript
Control-shift-b
Inserts subscript
Control-Enter
Page break
Navigation Keyboard shortcuts
left arrow
moves one character to the left
shift-left arrow
highlights the character to the left
Right arrow
moves one character to the right
Shift-right arrow
Highlights the character to the right
up arrow
moves up one line
Shift-up arrow
Highlights text in an upward direction
Down arrow
Moves down one line
Shift-down arrow
Highlights text in a downward direction
Control -left arrow
moves one word to the left
control-right arrow
moves one word to the right
Control-shift-left arrow
Highlights the word to the left
Control-Shift-right arrow
Highlights the word to the right
Control-up arrow
moves to the beginning of the previous paragraph
Control-shift-up arrow
highlights the text to the beginning of the paragraph
Control-Down arrow
Moves to the end of the paragraph
Control-Shift-down arrow
Highlights the text to the end of the paragraph
Home
Moves to the beginning of the line
shift-home
Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the line
End
Moves to the end of the line
Shift-end
Highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the line
Control-home
moves the cursor to the beginning of the document
Control-End
Moves the cursor to the end of the document
Control-shift-home
Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the
document
Control-shift-end
highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the document
Page up
moves the cursor up one screen
(this is approximately 24 lines)
Page down
Moves the cursor down one screen
(This is approximately 24 lines)
Shift-page up
Highlights the text up by one screen
Shift-page down
Highlights the text down by one screen
Control-Backspace
Ce
Deletes the text to the beginning of the word
Control-delete
Deletes the text to the end of the word
Control-shift-backspace
deletes the text to the beginning of the sentence
Control-shift Delete
Deletes the text to the end of a sentence
--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali
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Re: keyboard shortcuts for open office writer
hi.
thanks again for your great work.
is there any difference between shortcuts of openoffice and libreoffice?
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 3/27/18, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@...> wrote: Hi,
Here are the keyboard shortcuts for open office writer.
Tony
Keyboard shortcuts for open office writer
Keyboard shortcut
Command
Control-a
Select All
Control-b
Bold text
Control-c
Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard
Control-x
Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard
Control-v
Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you
specify
keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original
and the specified location.
When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only
control-E
Centers text
Control f
Find and replace Text
Control -g
Go To
Italic
Control-I
Control-J
Justify Text
Control-l
Left align text
Control-r
Right align text
Control-n
Creates a new blank Document
Control-o
Brings up the open file dialog box
Control-P
Brings up the Print Dialog box
Control-S
Saves the current open Document. If it is a new one, the save as dialog box
will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a
specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the
case of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location
such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.
Control u
Underlines text
Control-y
redoes your last action
control-z
undoes your last action
--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer
hi.
thanks so much for list of shortcuts.
for users who want to download libreoffice:
www.libreoffice.org/download
God bless you all!
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 3/27/18, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote: very nice
where could i downlode lebrea office?
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Ballou
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer
Hi,
Here are the keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer.
Tony
Keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer
Keyboard shortcut
Command
Control-a
Select All
Control-b
Bold text
Control-c
Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard
Control-x
Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard
Control-v
Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you
specify
keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original
and the specified location.
When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only
Control-Shift-v
Paste Special
pastes formatting, and formatted text from the clipboard
control-alt-shift-V
Pastes unformatted text from the clipboard
control-E
Centers text
Control f
Find text
Control -g
Go To
control-H
Find and replace Text
Control-I
Italicize text
Control-J
Justify Text
Control-l
Left align text
Control-r
Right align text
Control-n
Creates a new blank Document
Control-o
Brings up the open file dialog box
Control-P
Brings up the Print Dialog box
Control-S
Saves the current open Document. If it is a new one, the save as dialog
box will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a
specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the
case of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location
such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.
Control u
Underlines text
Control-y
redoes your last action
control-z
undoes your last action
Control-Shift-P
inserts superscript
Control-shift-b
Inserts subscript
Control-Enter
Page break
Navigation Keyboard shortcuts
left arrow
moves one character to the left
shift-left arrow
highlights the character to the left
Right arrow
moves one character to the right
Shift-right arrow
Highlights the character to the right
up arrow
moves up one line
Shift-up arrow
Highlights text in an upward direction
Down arrow
Moves down one line
Shift-down arrow
Highlights text in a downward direction
Control -left arrow
moves one word to the left
control-right arrow
moves one word to the right
Control-shift-left arrow
Highlights the word to the left
Control-Shift-right arrow
Highlights the word to the right
Control-up arrow
moves to the beginning of the previous paragraph
Control-shift-up arrow
highlights the text to the beginning of the paragraph
Control-Down arrow
Moves to the end of the paragraph
Control-Shift-down arrow
Highlights the text to the end of the paragraph
Home
Moves to the beginning of the line
shift-home
Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the line
End
Moves to the end of the line
Shift-end
Highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the line
Control-home
moves the cursor to the beginning of the document
Control-End
Moves the cursor to the end of the document
Control-shift-home
Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the
document
Control-shift-end
highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the document
Page up
moves the cursor up one screen
(this is approximately 24 lines)
Page down
Moves the cursor down one screen
(This is approximately 24 lines)
Shift-page up
Highlights the text up by one screen
Shift-page down
Highlights the text down by one screen
Control-Backspace
Ce
Deletes the text to the beginning of the word
Control-delete
Deletes the text to the end of the word
Control-shift-backspace
deletes the text to the beginning of the sentence
Control-shift Delete
Deletes the text to the end of a sentence
--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali
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