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Re: Excerpt from Espeak NG list

Gene
 

Thanks for your explanation.  But it doesn't address the complaint.
 
The complaint said that there is an additional g sound where two words such as ing case are spoken.  As to the n sounding different in a word like sing, I agree.
 
I don't have a way to try the latest NVDA to hear the speech so I don't know if this problem has been completely eliminated.  I understand there is a SAPI 5 version.  Does that version contain the latest code?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excerpt from Espeak NG list

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 01:29 am, Gene wrote:
This is not done in English.  I've never heard anything even remotely like what is being stated as being in spoken, rather than written English. 
 
If the claim is being made as reported in the below message, it is not partly or marginally incorrect, it is completely incorrect.  In two words like can get, the n is held and the g is smoothly spoken at the instant the n sound is ended.  There is no additional g nor even a hint of one.  And that's the way things are generally. 
It is not an additional "g", it is the "n" sound before a "k" or "g" in words like "sing", "king", and "sink". Within words, this process happens naturally. Across words, that process may happen (especially when the words are spoken quickly, or with little pause between them).

Specifically, the "k" and "g" sounds are made by moving the back of your tongue to the back of your mouth (the velum). An "n" sound is made by touching the front of your tongue to the front of your mouth, but before a "k" or "g" sound (especially when done quickly), your tongue moves to the back of your mouth in preparation of making the "k" or "g" sound, so that "n" has a different sound to things like "no", or "none".

This is a process called velarization.

 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 2:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] Excerpt from Espeak NG list
 
Now I'm not getting at anyone here, but although the message below is
related to a very new incarnation of the synth, it kind of makes the point
made in a previous thread on here about the changes being made to Espeak
which do not sit well with users.
 Here is the post...
 I have no axe to grind here, except that it has been my experience too that
some pronunciations are dismissed as OK when they are not.

[espeak-ng:master] New Issue Created by Trix-Maiden:
#443 Velarisation in Espeak NG is too pronounced
I've brought this up before as well, but I want to do so again here, in less
abrasive language.
The current way Espeak ng processes velarisation puts too much emphasis on
it. Any word ending with an "N" that precedes one starting with a hard "g"
or "c" sounds as if there is an extra "g" at the end of it before the next
word begins. "Ing case", "wung game" "cang get", etc.
The last time I brought up this issue, I was told this is how these words
sound when spoken by humans, but I would disagree. Not to say this doesn't
happen, but it isn't lingered over the way it is in the current release of
Espeak ng. In previous versions, the transitions between these words sounded
natural enough to my ears, and this version over-emphasises the velarisation
to the point of it being unnatural.
(Note: I do not type "one" like that, but I had to alter spellings to
simulate the pronunciation issue as clearly as possible to another blind
person.)


Re: NVDA Chinese writing

Antony Stone
 

I don't know whether this is a silly question or not, but how do you know it
is Chinese?

Antony.

On Friday 30 March 2018 at 02:15:52, Darrel Hughes via Groups.Io wrote:

Helo everybody

I am quite new to NVDA and I speak English and do not understand Chinese
writing at all. For some reason my NVDA has only Chinese writing. Does
anyone have a solution?

Thanks
Darrel
--
I want to build a machine that will be proud of me.

- Danny Hillis, creator of The Connection Machine

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: NVDA Chinese writing

Chris
 

Usually,

But Also Chinese is at the bottom of the list

 

From: Gene
Sent: 30 March 2018 09:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Chinese writing

 

The default choice in that combo box is user default.  this suggests that the computer itself is set to the wrong language.  This should be checked because if it isn't, it will cause problems.  I suspect, though I don't know this, that other programs will use the wrong language and I suspect Narrator will as well.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 2:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Chinese writing

 

To set nvda to English, Open general settings in nvda nvda+ctrl+G

You will then be in a combo box for language

So if you press the letter E then English will be selected in the combo box

Then hit ok then nvda will be in English

 

Hopefully 😃

 

 


Re: Chrome Browser

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
This is what I found on a forum site:

1. Go to the Chrome menu on the browser toolbar
2. Activate Settings
3. Activate Show advanced settings
4. In the Privacy section, deselect the "Use a prediction service to help complete searches and URLs typed in the address bar" checkbox

Keep in mind that the address bar shows matches from your browsing history, in addition to predictions. If you don't want to see matches from your browsing history, you must clear that as well.
Beyond that there is nothing more you can do. It is either all or nothing. You cannot modify the behavior of how you dismiss suggestions. Suggestions and autocomplete are the same service.

In addition, someone mentioned that it was apain to have to clear browsing history all the time to stop the auto-complete behaviour and suggested using incognito mode which doesn't preserve browsing history.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 March 2018 08:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chrome Browser

I cannot type fast enough to stop this kind of thing. its intensely irritating.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chrome Browser


How fast are you typing? If you either type quickly or turn off speech, you
won't hear anything. You likely know this but do you know that anytime you
want to interrupt speech, you can just keep typing anywhere? You will
probably get a solution but I'm discussing this as a general principle. I
never bother with such settings because I type fast enough that I don't hear
such information but if I ever start to hear it, maybe because I'm typing
more slowly, I just keep typing.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: John Isige
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 9:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chrome Browser


Has anybody solved this issue with chrome? I have every predictive thing
turned off, but when I start typing in the address bar, I hear stuff
like, suppose I'm typing in mandolin cafe. I type an m, I hear "m
andolessons dot com", I type an 'a' and then maybe it thinks I mean
something else so I hear "mathmaze dot com selected instead", and so on.
It's really pretty annoying, particularly since I don't want it to do
that. Just let me type a URL and be done with it. Quit trying to figure
out where I might want to go, like I told you to.


On 3/29/2018 17:42, Andy wrote:
Yes, it works well, and Chrome is so much faster than other browsers.
It has become my go to browser.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno" <ironrock@verizon.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 3:37 PM
Subject: [nvda] Chrome Browser


Is the Chrome browser accessible with NVDA? Is it worth trying?


Re: Chrome Browser

Dejan Ristic
 

Oh, yes! Try it and see. I've been using it for a long, long time as my default browser.

On 30/03/2018 00:37, Rich De Steno wrote:
Is the Chrome browser accessible with NVDA?  Is it worth trying?


Re: loading nvda not there

Payal Kapoor
 

hi
i've just tried using Alt+Ctrl to load and unload NVDA and it works
justt fine. i've just upgraded to the latest version out yesterday.

On 3/30/18, Joe Hunter via Groups.Io
<joehunter=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all, since installing via the updater of version 18.1 and the current
18.1.1 the ability to load and unload keys of alt and ctrl plus n does
not seem to work. Has this changed as when I open insert 1 to open help
to determine what key does what, it does not appear to be there either. Joe





Re: Advisory: if upgrading to Windows 10 Version 1803, NVDA2018.1.1 is required

 

Well its worth noting that on my win7 system you don't seem to get it at all.

In win10 2017.9 you do, I assume that its os spaciffic or something anyway 2018.1.1 is only needed on win10.

On 29/03/2018 5:22 a.m., abdul muhamin wrote:
How can we get NVDA 2018.1.1

Regards, Chief content officer at BlindHelp.net

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 7:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advisory: if upgrading to Windows 10 Version 1803, NVDA2018.1.1 is required

Hi,
I see.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Afik Suffir
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advisory: if upgrading to Windows 10 Version 1803, NVDA 2018.1.1 is required


1709

נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

‫ב-28 במרץ 2018, בשעה 5:10, ‏‏Joseph Lee ‏<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> כתב/ה:
Hi,
Which build of Windows 10 do you have right now?
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Afik Suffir
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advisory: if upgrading to Windows 10 Version 1803, NVDA 2018.1.1 is required
Thanks Joseph
I have regestered to windows insider program, and selected fast updates. But, there are no updates at all. What can i do?
נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

‫ב-28 במרץ 2018, בשעה 4:53, ‏‏Joseph Lee ‏<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> כתב/ה:
Hi everyone,
The following advisory is rated “major” due to high impact:
Toward end of development for Windows 10 Version 1803, Microsoft changed a critical component in Windows OneCore speech synthesizer (specifically, bitrate). This causes OneCore synthesizer to sound a bit funny, including higher pitch. NV Access has just released a release candidate for NVDA 2018.1.1 which will correct this problem. Because of this, you need to be running 2018.1.1 for best experience with Windows 10 Version 1803.
Thank you.
Cheers,
Jospeh



Re: Advisory: if upgrading to Windows 10 Version 1803, NVDA 2018.1.1 is required

 

The latest realtech drivers are on windows update, you can try the official broken 2.82 drivers from realtech's site, ms will not install over the top of official drivers.

You can try other versions 2.81, 2.80, 2.78.

On 28/03/2018 3:27 p.m., Afik Suffir wrote:
So, what should i do now?


נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

‫ב-28 במרץ 2018, בשעה 5:20, ‏‏Joseph Lee ‏<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> כתב/ה:‬

Hi,
I see.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Afik Suffir
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advisory: if upgrading to Windows 10 Version 1803, NVDA 2018.1.1 is required
1709
נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

‫ב-28 במרץ 2018, בשעה 5:10, ‏‏Joseph Lee ‏<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> כתב/ה:

Hi,
Which build of Windows 10 do you have right now?
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Afik Suffir
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advisory: if upgrading to Windows 10 Version 1803, NVDA 2018.1.1 is required
Thanks Joseph
I have regestered to windows insider program, and selected fast updates. But, there are no updates at all. What can i do?
נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

‫ב-28 במרץ 2018, בשעה 4:53, ‏‏Joseph Lee ‏<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> כתב/ה:

Hi everyone,
The following advisory is rated “major” due to high impact:
Toward end of development for Windows 10 Version 1803, Microsoft changed a critical component in Windows OneCore speech synthesizer (specifically, bitrate). This causes OneCore synthesizer to sound a bit funny, including higher pitch. NV Access has just released a release candidate for NVDA 2018.1.1 which will correct this problem. Because of this, you need to be running 2018.1.1 for best experience with Windows 10 Version 1803.
Thank you.
Cheers,
Jospeh


loading nvda not there

Joe Hunter <joehunter@...>
 

Hi all, since installing via the updater of version 18.1 and the current 18.1.1 the ability to load and unload keys of alt and ctrl plus n does not seem to work. Has this changed as when I open insert 1 to open help to determine what key does what, it does not appear to be there either. Joe


Re: Excerpt from Espeak NG list

Reece H. Dunn
 

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 01:29 am, Gene wrote:
This is not done in English.  I've never heard anything even remotely like what is being stated as being in spoken, rather than written English. 
 
If the claim is being made as reported in the below message, it is not partly or marginally incorrect, it is completely incorrect.  In two words like can get, the n is held and the g is smoothly spoken at the instant the n sound is ended.  There is no additional g nor even a hint of one.  And that's the way things are generally. 
It is not an additional "g", it is the "n" sound before a "k" or "g" in words like "sing", "king", and "sink". Within words, this process happens naturally. Across words, that process may happen (especially when the words are spoken quickly, or with little pause between them).

Specifically, the "k" and "g" sounds are made by moving the back of your tongue to the back of your mouth (the velum). An "n" sound is made by touching the front of your tongue to the front of your mouth, but before a "k" or "g" sound (especially when done quickly), your tongue moves to the back of your mouth in preparation of making the "k" or "g" sound, so that "n" has a different sound to things like "no", or "none".

This is a process called velarization.

 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 2:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] Excerpt from Espeak NG list
 
Now I'm not getting at anyone here, but although the message below is
related to a very new incarnation of the synth, it kind of makes the point
made in a previous thread on here about the changes being made to Espeak
which do not sit well with users.
 Here is the post...
 I have no axe to grind here, except that it has been my experience too that
some pronunciations are dismissed as OK when they are not.

[espeak-ng:master] New Issue Created by Trix-Maiden:
#443 Velarisation in Espeak NG is too pronounced
I've brought this up before as well, but I want to do so again here, in less
abrasive language.
The current way Espeak ng processes velarisation puts too much emphasis on
it. Any word ending with an "N" that precedes one starting with a hard "g"
or "c" sounds as if there is an extra "g" at the end of it before the next
word begins. "Ing case", "wung game" "cang get", etc.
The last time I brought up this issue, I was told this is how these words
sound when spoken by humans, but I would disagree. Not to say this doesn't
happen, but it isn't lingered over the way it is in the current release of
Espeak ng. In previous versions, the transitions between these words sounded
natural enough to my ears, and this version over-emphasises the velarisation
to the point of it being unnatural.
(Note: I do not type "one" like that, but I had to alter spellings to
simulate the pronunciation issue as clearly as possible to another blind
person.)
_._,_._,_
 ====

Things I've moaned about like offen instead of often keep coming back as
well, now this  person knows the right term to use for the issue they are
raising but mnay of us would not know how to actually describe it, and I
feel that is part of the issue when reporting oddities and getting ehem
fixed.
 Just saying, and I do hope somebody who understands such things can pass on
some of the comments I've seen on here to the right people to get them put
back as they were originally. Thanks and have a nice day to all.
 Brian
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Re: station play studio. question

anthony borg
 

Hi rosemarie
Joseph has replied to my question. So don't worry.
Best regards
Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 29 March 2018 21:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station play studio. question

Hi, Anthony,

I've never used that program but I'm sure there are others on here who could
help you with that.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony
borg
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 12:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] station play studio. question

Hi folks
Can somebody explain to me on how to use the station play studio please?
Thanks in advance
Anthony


Re: station play studio. question

anthony borg
 

Hi joseph
Many thanks for the info regarding the station play studio.
I best regards
Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: 29 March 2018 21:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station play studio. question

Hi Anthony,
SPL is used by broadcasters for broadcasting shows online. You don't need
this program unless you are a broadcaster.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie
Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 12:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station play studio. question

Hi, Anthony,

I've never used that program but I'm sure there are others on here who could
help you with that.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony
borg
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 12:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] station play studio. question

Hi folks
Can somebody explain to me on how to use the station play studio please?
Thanks in advance
Anthony


Re: Excerpt from Espeak NG list

Gene
 

Equally valid in what dialect?  I've never heard it in any american or Brittish dialect I've heard.  On what basis do the people making such decisions base their beliefs?  Are they just from listening or does anyone working on pronunciation have a real background in the subject?  I realize this is a voluntary oepn source project but if this hasn't been done, shouldn't there be an attempt to recruit someone with a reasonable background in whatever the science is called that we are dealing with, perhaps a linguist or dialectician?  I'm not sure what the speciality should be called.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excerpt from Espeak NG list

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:57 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Now I'm not getting at anyone here, but although the message below is
related to a very new incarnation of the synth, it kind of makes the point
made in a previous thread on here about the changes being made to Espeak
which do not sit well with users.
It would help to read the follow up where I have modified it so it no longer does that between words. Both pronunciation styles are equally valid and I prefer the change I made, but I respect that the change was not well supported (or at least not by the vocal majority).

Everything you and others have raised I have fixed or tried to fix, yet you still complain in an unconstructive way (like your post to the NVDA developers list). Pointing out issues is fine. Being constructively critical is fine (like Tyler Spivey's comments in another thread).

Also bear in mind that I and others are doing this in our spare time for free.

Here is the post...
I have no axe to grind here, except that it has been my experience too that
some pronunciations are dismissed as OK when they are not.

[espeak-ng:master] New Issue Created by Trix-Maiden:
#443 Velarisation in Espeak NG is too pronounced
I've brought this up before as well, but I want to do so again here, in less
abrasive language.
The current way Espeak ng processes velarisation puts too much emphasis on
it. Any word ending with an "N" that precedes one starting with a hard "g"
or "c" sounds as if there is an extra "g" at the end of it before the next
word begins. "Ing case", "wung game" "cang get", etc.
The last time I brought up this issue, I was told this is how these words
sound when spoken by humans, but I would disagree. Not to say this doesn't
happen, but it isn't lingered over the way it is in the current release of
Espeak ng. In previous versions, the transitions between these words sounded
natural enough to my ears, and this version over-emphasises the velarisation
to the point of it being unnatural.
(Note: I do not type "one" like that, but I had to alter spellings to
simulate the pronunciation issue as clearly as possible to another blind
person.)


Re: station play studio.

anthony borg
 

Hi rosemarie

By any chance, do you have any tutorial for station play studio please?

Regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 29 March 2018 22:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: station play studio.

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I figured out what happened. The confirmation message went to my spam folder so I went to the gmail site and told it that that message isn't spam.

 

Rosemarie


Re: Excerpt from Espeak NG list

Gene
 

This is not done in English.  I've never heard anything even remotely like what is being stated as being in spoken, rather than written English. 
 
If the claim is being made as reported in the below message, it is not partly or marginally incorrect, it is completely incorrect.  In two words like can get, the n is held and the g is smoothly spoken at the instant the n sound is ended.  There is no additional g nor even a hint of one.  And that's the way things are generally. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 2:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] Excerpt from Espeak NG list

Now I'm not getting at anyone here, but although the message below is
related to a very new incarnation of the synth, it kind of makes the point
made in a previous thread on here about the changes being made to Espeak
which do not sit well with users.
 Here is the post...
 I have no axe to grind here, except that it has been my experience too that
some pronunciations are dismissed as OK when they are not.

[espeak-ng:master] New Issue Created by Trix-Maiden:
#443 Velarisation in Espeak NG is too pronounced
I've brought this up before as well, but I want to do so again here, in less
abrasive language.
The current way Espeak ng processes velarisation puts too much emphasis on
it. Any word ending with an "N" that precedes one starting with a hard "g"
or "c" sounds as if there is an extra "g" at the end of it before the next
word begins. "Ing case", "wung game" "cang get", etc.
The last time I brought up this issue, I was told this is how these words
sound when spoken by humans, but I would disagree. Not to say this doesn't
happen, but it isn't lingered over the way it is in the current release of
Espeak ng. In previous versions, the transitions between these words sounded
natural enough to my ears, and this version over-emphasises the velarisation
to the point of it being unnatural.
(Note: I do not type "one" like that, but I had to alter spellings to
simulate the pronunciation issue as clearly as possible to another blind
person.)
_._,_._,_
 ====

Things I've moaned about like offen instead of often keep coming back as
well, now this  person knows the right term to use for the issue they are
raising but mnay of us would not know how to actually describe it, and I
feel that is part of the issue when reporting oddities and getting ehem
fixed.
 Just saying, and I do hope somebody who understands such things can pass on
some of the comments I've seen on here to the right people to get them put
back as they were originally. Thanks and have a nice day to all.
 Brian
bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.




Re: Excerpt from Espeak NG list

Reece H. Dunn
 

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:57 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Now I'm not getting at anyone here, but although the message below is
related to a very new incarnation of the synth, it kind of makes the point
made in a previous thread on here about the changes being made to Espeak
which do not sit well with users.
It would help to read the follow up where I have modified it so it no longer does that between words. Both pronunciation styles are equally valid and I prefer the change I made, but I respect that the change was not well supported (or at least not by the vocal majority).

Everything you and others have raised I have fixed or tried to fix, yet you still complain in an unconstructive way (like your post to the NVDA developers list). Pointing out issues is fine. Being constructively critical is fine (like Tyler Spivey's comments in another thread).

Also bear in mind that I and others are doing this in our spare time for free.

Here is the post...
I have no axe to grind here, except that it has been my experience too that
some pronunciations are dismissed as OK when they are not.

[espeak-ng:master] New Issue Created by Trix-Maiden:
#443 Velarisation in Espeak NG is too pronounced
I've brought this up before as well, but I want to do so again here, in less
abrasive language.
The current way Espeak ng processes velarisation puts too much emphasis on
it. Any word ending with an "N" that precedes one starting with a hard "g"
or "c" sounds as if there is an extra "g" at the end of it before the next
word begins. "Ing case", "wung game" "cang get", etc.
The last time I brought up this issue, I was told this is how these words
sound when spoken by humans, but I would disagree. Not to say this doesn't
happen, but it isn't lingered over the way it is in the current release of
Espeak ng. In previous versions, the transitions between these words sounded
natural enough to my ears, and this version over-emphasises the velarisation
to the point of it being unnatural.
(Note: I do not type "one" like that, but I had to alter spellings to
simulate the pronunciation issue as clearly as possible to another blind
person.)
_._,_._,_
====

Things I've moaned about like offen instead of often keep coming back as
well, now this person knows the right term to use for the issue they are
raising but mnay of us would not know how to actually describe it, and I
feel that is part of the issue when reporting oddities and getting ehem
fixed.
Just saying, and I do hope somebody who understands such things can pass on
some of the comments I've seen on here to the right people to get them put
back as they were originally. Thanks and have a nice day to all.
Brian
bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.


Re: NVDA Chinese writing

Gene
 

The default choice in that combo box is user default.  this suggests that the computer itself is set to the wrong language.  This should be checked because if it isn't, it will cause problems.  I suspect, though I don't know this, that other programs will use the wrong language and I suspect Narrator will as well.
 
Gene

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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Chinese writing

To set nvda to English, Open general settings in nvda nvda+ctrl+G

You will then be in a combo box for language

So if you press the letter E then English will be selected in the combo box

Then hit ok then nvda will be in English

 

Hopefully 😃

 


Excerpt from Espeak NG list

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Now I'm not getting at anyone here, but although the message below is related to a very new incarnation of the synth, it kind of makes the point made in a previous thread on here about the changes being made to Espeak which do not sit well with users.
Here is the post...
I have no axe to grind here, except that it has been my experience too that some pronunciations are dismissed as OK when they are not.

[espeak-ng:master] New Issue Created by Trix-Maiden:
#443 Velarisation in Espeak NG is too pronounced
I've brought this up before as well, but I want to do so again here, in less abrasive language.
The current way Espeak ng processes velarisation puts too much emphasis on it. Any word ending with an "N" that precedes one starting with a hard "g" or "c" sounds as if there is an extra "g" at the end of it before the next word begins. "Ing case", "wung game" "cang get", etc.
The last time I brought up this issue, I was told this is how these words sound when spoken by humans, but I would disagree. Not to say this doesn't happen, but it isn't lingered over the way it is in the current release of Espeak ng. In previous versions, the transitions between these words sounded natural enough to my ears, and this version over-emphasises the velarisation to the point of it being unnatural.
(Note: I do not type "one" like that, but I had to alter spellings to simulate the pronunciation issue as clearly as possible to another blind person.)
_._,_._,_
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Things I've moaned about like offen instead of often keep coming back as well, now this person knows the right term to use for the issue they are raising but mnay of us would not know how to actually describe it, and I feel that is part of the issue when reporting oddities and getting ehem fixed.
Just saying, and I do hope somebody who understands such things can pass on some of the comments I've seen on here to the right people to get them put back as they were originally. Thanks and have a nice day to all.
Brian
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Re: In-Process 29th March 2018 is out including NVDA 2018.1.1

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Yes, but the actual info on the full path to the rc which is up of 2018.1.1 is not given and the RC is only downloaded from the rc on the users machine if it exist,
The full release seems not to be up yet, which is OK if its on rc2 now. However in this list there is usually some announcement about it and there has not been from the emails I've got at any rate.
I have posted a link to my dropbox version of the rc2 for those who want it. I just wondered whose job it was to post that the new release or rc is in fact up and where to find it?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 6:28 AM
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 29th March 2018 is out including NVDA 2018.1.1


Hi everyone,

In-Process 29th March 2018 edition is out:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-march-2018/

This edition features the very new NVDA 2018.1.1 point release, as well as
our CSUN presentations and all the what's new information you can handle!

Enjoy :)

Quentin.

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Re: NVDA Chinese writing

Chris
 

To set nvda to English, Open general settings in nvda nvda+ctrl+G

You will then be in a combo box for language

So if you press the letter E then English will be selected in the combo box

Then hit ok then nvda will be in English

 

Hopefully 😃