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Re: In relation to pronounciation corrections in eSpeak NG once more

Antony Stone
 

A wiki strikes me as being the ideal place to put such things.

This would enable multiple contributors to create their own pages, with their
own notes about which synth they use, what language / accent / dialect they
prefer, and upload their version/s of dictionaries for others to try out and
also learn from.

I have no idea whether NVaccess has such a wiki as part of its online web
resources, or would even want to as part of anything official, but if not, I'm
sure there are people here on the list who could provide one if that's the
best solution.


Regards,


Antony.

On Saturday 31 March 2018 at 01:12:09, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

This sounds like a good idea, to be honest. Most of my dictionary entries
are related to either Pokémon, names of characters from a couple other
anime, and corrections to help Espeak handle compound words (to be fair, a
lot of these are not usual compound words, but sometimes there were
non-compound words rendered as such as well as the other way around). Some
of these are personal to me, and someone not in the circle of
Fanfiction.net that I was in would not have occasion to use them. There
are names I've tried to get as close to accurate as possible, and sadly
failed and aborted. I do not know how to naturally stress a syllable via
regular expressions, so cannot get "Gallade" pronounced correctly, as an
example.


That said, most people using NVDA have different synth preferences, as
demonstrated by previous threads on this topic, so the synth being used as
default should be noted when compiling the lists of Dictionary entries.
But this would be a great resource to put together.

On 31/03/2018 8:38 AM, Gene wrote:
I would think the best thing to do as far as making the file available, is
to copy the .dic file to another location on your computer. If it's the
default.dic file, that may be it's name. I've almost never done this and
others may be able to tell you where it is. Then you could send it
somewhere such as to a Drop Box folder or to someone who will place it on
their web site, such as the other Gene.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Dejan Ristic<mailto:r.dejan83@...>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] In relation to pronounciation corrections in eSpeak NG once
more

Hi to the respective community and users,


Due to the messages relating to the pronounciation corrections I happen
to have read so far, I've just decided to extract them from the
directory called Speech Dictionaries. They are contained in a notepad
document, which implies that I may offer them whenever you like.


The only question is where to post the document so that it may be
accessed by the NVDA users. I do not consider myself to be supposed to
do it here, for I have not obtained a permission to do so. I also do not
think that it should be done that way because the mail traffic may be
made lower.


That's why I'm addressing myself to you so that I may do it in a proper
manner so as not to come in breach of the rules and regulations of the
mailing list.


As I've already said, I've made over a hundred corrections. Let me
confirm here that I've made 139 corrections so far. That's how users can
help each other without calling a programmer to intervene.


I hope that it is possible to find room for us the users to upload our
corrections so that when accessing that piece of the site, we can
automatically exchange pronounciation corrections. That's one way of how
eSpeak NG speech may be updated without wating any next release to launch.


If I'm supposed to send the mentioned document to an admin in a private
message so that it may be reviewed, I'm glad to obey the rule. If I'm
supposed to mention this topic no longer, I shall obey that rule, too.


Your sincere friend and user,


Dejan
--
Angela Merkel arrives at Paris airport.
"Nationality?" asks the immigration officer.
"German," she replies.
"Occupation?"
"No, just here for a summit conference."

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: In relation to pronounciation corrections in eSpeak NG once more

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

This sounds like a good idea, to be honest. Most of my dictionary entries are related to either Pokémon, names of characters from a couple other anime, and corrections to help Espeak handle compound words (to be fair, a lot of these are not usual compound words, but sometimes there were non-compound words rendered as such as well as the other way around). Some of these are personal to me, and someone not in the circle of Fanfiction.net that I was in would not have occasion to use them. There are names I've tried to get as close to accurate as possible, and sadly failed and aborted. I do not know how to naturally stress a syllable via regular expressions, so cannot get "Gallade" pronounced correctly, as an example.


That said, most people using NVDA have different synth preferences, as demonstrated by previous threads on this topic, so the synth being used as default should be noted when compiling the lists of Dictionary entries. But this would be a great resource to put together.


On 31/03/2018 8:38 AM, Gene wrote:
I would think the best thing to do as far as making the file available, is to copy the .dic file to another location on your computer.  If it's the default.dic file, that may be it's name.  I've almost never done this and others may be able to tell you where it is.  Then you could send it somewhere such as to a Drop Box folder or to someone who will place it on their web site, such as the other Gene.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] In relation to pronounciation corrections in eSpeak NG once more

Hi to the respective community and users,


Due to the messages relating to the pronounciation corrections I happen
to have read so far, I've just decided to extract them from the
directory called Speech Dictionaries. They are contained in a notepad
document, which implies that I may offer them whenever you like.


The only question is where to post the document so that it may be
accessed by the NVDA users. I do not consider myself to be supposed to
do it here, for I have not obtained a permission to do so. I also do not
think that it should be done that way because the mail traffic may be
made lower.


That's why I'm addressing myself to you so that I may do it in a proper
manner so as not to come in breach of the rules and regulations of the
mailing list.


As I've already said, I've made over a hundred corrections. Let me
confirm here that I've made 139 corrections so far. That's how users can
help each other without calling a programmer to intervene.


I hope that it is possible to find room for us the users to upload our
corrections so that when accessing that piece of the site, we can
automatically exchange pronounciation corrections. That's one way of how
eSpeak NG speech may be updated without wating any next release to launch.


If I'm supposed to send the mentioned document to an admin in a private
message so that it may be reviewed, I'm glad to obey the rule. If I'm
supposed to mention this topic no longer, I shall obey that rule, too.


Your sincere friend and user,


Dejan






Re: Excerpt from Espeak NG list

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

I would like to preface with the fact that I am also Trix Maiden. These submissions were made to the Git Hub for Espeak NG and that's my username over there.


I am glad that change has been reversed, as I have never heard this kind of thing in spoken English except in words where it's appropriate, such as the ones you gave as examples. You must admit, however, that when you hear the phrase "done quickly", and the "done" sounds like "dung", a blind person using a screen-reader to provide them with accurate rendering of what they are reading is going to raise an eyebrow. :)


On 31/03/2018 12:42 AM, Reece H. Dunn wrote:
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 05:40 am, Gene wrote:
Thanks for your explanation.  But it doesn't address the complaint.
 
The complaint said that there is an additional g sound where two words such as ing case are spoken.  As to the n sounding different in a word like sing, I agree.
The issue referenced in this discussion talked about there being too much emphasis on the "n", "as if there is an extra "g" at the end of it before the next word begins. The only change made in that regard is the one I talked about -- espeak-ng is not/was not inserting an extra g sound in that case. Compare "singer" (no "g") and "linger" (with a "g") for an example of eSpeak and eSpeak NG pronouncing the "g" sound.

With the -ing ending, some accents (e.g. London/cockney) say it as "in" (e.g. somethin'), other accents. In https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_FtnOTLkSs&t=137, the female speaker uses the velarised n without a g, and the male (cokney) speaker uses a regular n sound. When the -ing not the final part of the word such as with an -er ending like in stronger and linger, some accents pronounce the g while others do not. In https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvLfIMepxJ8 the g is pronounced in the word linger. For the word "singer", in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJaEpvEcrsA, the first American speaker, and both British and Scottish speakers pronounces the "g", while the second American speaker and the Irish speakers do not.

I don't have a way to try the latest NVDA to hear the speech so I don't know if this problem has been completely eliminated.  I understand there is a SAPI 5 version.  Does that version contain the latest code?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excerpt from Espeak NG list
 
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 01:29 am, Gene wrote:
This is not done in English.  I've never heard anything even remotely like what is being stated as being in spoken, rather than written English. 
 
If the claim is being made as reported in the below message, it is not partly or marginally incorrect, it is completely incorrect.  In two words like can get, the n is held and the g is smoothly spoken at the instant the n sound is ended.  There is no additional g nor even a hint of one.  And that's the way things are generally. 
It is not an additional "g", it is the "n" sound before a "k" or "g" in words like "sing", "king", and "sink". Within words, this process happens naturally. Across words, that process may happen (especially when the words are spoken quickly, or with little pause between them).

Specifically, the "k" and "g" sounds are made by moving the back of your tongue to the back of your mouth (the velum). An "n" sound is made by touching the front of your tongue to the front of your mouth, but before a "k" or "g" sound (especially when done quickly), your tongue moves to the back of your mouth in preparation of making the "k" or "g" sound, so that "n" has a different sound to things like "no", or "none".

This is a process called velarization.

 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 2:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] Excerpt from Espeak NG list
 
Now I'm not getting at anyone here, but although the message below is
related to a very new incarnation of the synth, it kind of makes the point
made in a previous thread on here about the changes being made to Espeak
which do not sit well with users.
 Here is the post...
 I have no axe to grind here, except that it has been my experience too that
some pronunciations are dismissed as OK when they are not.

[espeak-ng:master] New Issue Created by Trix-Maiden:
#443 Velarisation in Espeak NG is too pronounced
I've brought this up before as well, but I want to do so again here, in less
abrasive language.
The current way Espeak ng processes velarisation puts too much emphasis on
it. Any word ending with an "N" that precedes one starting with a hard "g"
or "c" sounds as if there is an extra "g" at the end of it before the next
word begins. "Ing case", "wung game" "cang get", etc.
The last time I brought up this issue, I was told this is how these words
sound when spoken by humans, but I would disagree. Not to say this doesn't
happen, but it isn't lingered over the way it is in the current release of
Espeak ng. In previous versions, the transitions between these words sounded
natural enough to my ears, and this version over-emphasises the velarisation
to the point of it being unnatural.
(Note: I do not type "one" like that, but I had to alter spellings to
simulate the pronunciation issue as clearly as possible to another blind
person.)


Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


One part that I can't figure out is the navigator in both of the
programs.  As far as I know it may be the only parts that are.  I have
yet to play with the database math or drawing stuff though.


Tony

On 3/28/2018 3:14 PM, Vlad Dragomir wrote:
Hello,

May I ask, what's inaccessible in LibreOffice? I've been playing with
it for a while, and couldn't find any problems so far. I never tried
OpenOffice though.

Thanks, just being curious.

Vlad.



Re: In relation to pronounciation corrections in eSpeak NG once more

Gene
 

I would think the best thing to do as far as making the file available, is to copy the .dic file to another location on your computer.  If it's the default.dic file, that may be it's name.  I've almost never done this and others may be able to tell you where it is.  Then you could send it somewhere such as to a Drop Box folder or to someone who will place it on their web site, such as the other Gene.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] In relation to pronounciation corrections in eSpeak NG once more

Hi to the respective community and users,


Due to the messages relating to the pronounciation corrections I happen
to have read so far, I've just decided to extract them from the
directory called Speech Dictionaries. They are contained in a notepad
document, which implies that I may offer them whenever you like.


The only question is where to post the document so that it may be
accessed by the NVDA users. I do not consider myself to be supposed to
do it here, for I have not obtained a permission to do so. I also do not
think that it should be done that way because the mail traffic may be
made lower.


That's why I'm addressing myself to you so that I may do it in a proper
manner so as not to come in breach of the rules and regulations of the
mailing list.


As I've already said, I've made over a hundred corrections. Let me
confirm here that I've made 139 corrections so far. That's how users can
help each other without calling a programmer to intervene.


I hope that it is possible to find room for us the users to upload our
corrections so that when accessing that piece of the site, we can
automatically exchange pronounciation corrections. That's one way of how
eSpeak NG speech may be updated without wating any next release to launch.


If I'm supposed to send the mentioned document to an admin in a private
message so that it may be reviewed, I'm glad to obey the rule. If I'm
supposed to mention this topic no longer, I shall obey that rule, too.


Your sincere friend and user,


Dejan





Re: nvda and edge

Jonathan COHN
 

I tried to reproduce also but was unable to get a list of items to read the items twice. I probably should know this but were the list items also links?

 

I believe that NVDA does on occasion set focus to the location of the browse mode cursor and I am wondering if perhaps that might have caused double speak. I did also try routing the mouse to the list I was viewing and that also did not cause additional speech though I would have expected possibly a bit more speech than I encountered.

 

I did also notice that at least in some cases if you request the next list in Edge  with the “L” keystroke that NVDA will sometimes read every item in the list. I don’t believe this is the behavior in other browsers.

 that

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Friday, March 30, 2018 at 3:51 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

Hi Sylvie,

 

Thank you for looking into this for me.  I will try it again and if it happens again I will do what you suggested.  Thanks again.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

Hello Gary,
I just reproduced the steps you described.
I looked for the beginning of the newsletter in pressing the H key.
Then NVDA started reading.
When it came to "heading 3 New Features"
NVDA started to announce there was a list with 7 items.
Nested lists were also read correctly.
So I don't understand what can go wrong with your experience.
Pressing l to reach this list let NVDA read the list, but nothing is repeated.
So I am sorry I cannot help more.
Did you try to restart Edge and / or NVDA?
Have a nice week-end
Sylvie
Le 30/03/2018 à 15:02, Gary Metzler a écrit :


Hi Sylvie,

 

Thank you for getting back to me.  Here is what I did.  I went to the link in the e mail and opened the web page.  I then used the h command to go to the in process heading.  I then used the say all command to read the newsletter.  When it got to the bulleted list is where it started repeating.  I hope this is clear.  Thanks again for your response.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:09 AM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

Hello Garry,

I just tried reading the in process with NVDA and Edge and I encountered no problem.

Could you describe what you are doing and when the problem occurs?

Did you try reading other web sites?

Best

Sylvie

Le 29/03/2018 à 18:56, Gary Metzler a écrit :

Hi All,

 

I am trying edge with the latest January 1 update and windows 10.  When I was reading the in process newsletter edge would repeat what was just read.  Is this normal or do I need to change a setting?  Thanks for any help.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

Send to: gmtravel@...

 

 

 


In relation to pronounciation corrections in eSpeak NG once more

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi to the respective community and users,


Due to the messages relating to the pronounciation corrections I happen to have read so far, I've just decided to extract them from the directory called Speech Dictionaries. They are contained in a notepad document, which implies that I may offer them whenever you like.


The only question is where to post the document so that it may be accessed by the NVDA users. I do not consider myself to be supposed to do it here, for I have not obtained a permission to do so. I also do not think that it should be done that way because the mail traffic may be made lower.


That's why I'm addressing myself to you so that I may do it in a proper manner so as not to come in breach of the rules and regulations of the mailing list.


As I've already said, I've made over a hundred corrections. Let me confirm here that I've made 139 corrections so far. That's how users can help each other without calling a programmer to intervene.


I hope that it is possible to find room for us the users to upload our corrections so that when accessing that piece of the site, we can automatically exchange pronounciation corrections. That's one way of how eSpeak NG speech may be updated without wating any next release to launch.


If I'm supposed to send the mentioned document to an admin in a private message so that it may be reviewed, I'm glad to obey the rule. If I'm supposed to mention this topic no longer, I shall obey that rule, too.


Your sincere friend and user,


Dejan


Re: nvda and edge

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Sylvie,

 

Thank you for looking into this for me.  I will try it again and if it happens again I will do what you suggested.  Thanks again.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

Hello Gary,
I just reproduced the steps you described.
I looked for the beginning of the newsletter in pressing the H key.
Then NVDA started reading.
When it came to "heading 3 New Features"
NVDA started to announce there was a list with 7 items.
Nested lists were also read correctly.
So I don't understand what can go wrong with your experience.
Pressing l to reach this list let NVDA read the list, but nothing is repeated.
So I am sorry I cannot help more.
Did you try to restart Edge and / or NVDA?
Have a nice week-end
Sylvie
Le 30/03/2018 à 15:02, Gary Metzler a écrit :

Hi Sylvie,

 

Thank you for getting back to me.  Here is what I did.  I went to the link in the e mail and opened the web page.  I then used the h command to go to the in process heading.  I then used the say all command to read the newsletter.  When it got to the bulleted list is where it started repeating.  I hope this is clear.  Thanks again for your response.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

Hello Garry,

I just tried reading the in process with NVDA and Edge and I encountered no problem.

Could you describe what you are doing and when the problem occurs?

Did you try reading other web sites?

Best

Sylvie

Le 29/03/2018 à 18:56, Gary Metzler a écrit :

Hi All,

 

I am trying edge with the latest January 1 update and windows 10.  When I was reading the in process newsletter edge would repeat what was just read.  Is this normal or do I need to change a setting?  Thanks for any help.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

Send to: gmtravel@...

 

 

 


Re: nvda and edge

Gary Metzler
 

I was using the regular down arrow key.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 9:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

What keys were you using to read the bulleted list? Read all, extended arrow or numeric keypad arrows. (or perhaps (i) for going to the next list item.

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Friday, March 30, 2018 at 9:05 AM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

Hi Sylvie,

 

Thank you for getting back to me.  Here is what I did.  I went to the link in the e mail and opened the web page.  I then used the h command to go to the in process heading.  I then used the say all command to read the newsletter.  When it got to the bulleted list is where it started repeating.  I hope this is clear.  Thanks again for your response.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:09 AM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

Hello Garry,

I just tried reading the in process with NVDA and Edge and I encountered no problem.

Could you describe what you are doing and when the problem occurs?

Did you try reading other web sites?

Best

Sylvie

Le 29/03/2018 à 18:56, Gary Metzler a écrit :

Hi All,

 

I am trying edge with the latest January 1 update and windows 10.  When I was reading the in process newsletter edge would repeat what was just read.  Is this normal or do I need to change a setting?  Thanks for any help.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

Send to: gmtravel@...

 

 

 


Re: Chrome Browser

John Isige
 

Huh, thanks! I might have to try that. I don't think I've ever used
browser history in my entire life. I have all of the other stuff turned
off so I'll bet it's just pulling from the history, which I haven't
cleared, I used to have it automatically clear in Firefox when you
closed it but I don't know if the new version still has that feature or
not. I did clear it in Chrome at some point but if it's holding on to
stuff since, that's probably what's happening. I'm also fine with it
being all or nothing, since the nothing part of it is exactly what I'm
after.

On 3/30/2018 8:23, Gene wrote:
If Chrome uses browsing history to determine visited links, then if
you clear it, if  you use visited links in navigation, they will no
longer be available.  Also, if you constantly clear browsing history,
you'd better hope you never want to return to a site you didn't book
mark and don't have the address for.  You may well be able to find the
site with a google search or in some other way, but browsing history
is an important feature.
Sometimes, stopping a problem is worse than having the problem.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Chris Mullins <mailto:cjmullins29@...>
*Sent:* Friday, March 30, 2018 5:56 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Chrome Browser

Hi
This is what I found on a forum site:

1. Go to the Chrome menu on the browser toolbar
2. Activate Settings
3. Activate Show advanced settings
4. In the Privacy section, deselect the "Use a prediction service to
help complete searches and URLs typed in the address bar" checkbox

Keep in mind that the address bar shows matches from your browsing
history, in addition to predictions. If you don't want to see matches
from your browsing history, you must clear that as well.
Beyond that there is nothing more you can do. It is either all or
nothing. You cannot modify the behavior of how you dismiss
suggestions. Suggestions and autocomplete are the same service.

In addition, someone mentioned that it was apain to have to clear
browsing history all the time to stop the auto-complete behaviour and
suggested using incognito mode which doesn't preserve browsing history.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 March 2018 08:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chrome Browser

I cannot type fast enough to stop this kind of thing. its intensely
irritating.
 Brian

bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>, putting
'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chrome Browser


How fast are you typing?  If you either type quickly or turn off
speech, you
won't hear anything.  You likely know this but do you know that
anytime you
want to interrupt speech, you can just keep typing anywhere?  You will
probably get a solution but I'm discussing this as a general
principle.  I
never bother with such settings because I type fast enough that I
don't hear
such information but if I ever start to hear it, maybe because I'm typing
more slowly, I just keep typing.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: John Isige
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 9:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chrome Browser


Has anybody solved this issue with chrome? I have every predictive thing
turned off, but when I start typing in the address bar, I hear stuff
like, suppose I'm typing in mandolin cafe. I type an m, I hear "m
andolessons dot com", I type an 'a' and then maybe it thinks I mean
something else so I hear "mathmaze dot com selected instead", and so on.
It's really pretty annoying, particularly since I don't want it to do
that. Just let me type a URL and be done with it. Quit trying to figure
out where I might want to go, like I told you to.


On 3/29/2018 17:42, Andy wrote:
Yes, it works well, and Chrome is so much faster than other browsers.
It has become my go to browser.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
<ironrock@... <mailto:ironrock@...>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 3:37 PM
Subject: [nvda] Chrome Browser


Is the Chrome browser accessible with NVDA? Is it worth trying?










Re: NVDA log from previous execution

 

Hi,

Hmmm, that’s odd – focus event, UIA not keeping an eye on focus changes, anything is possible.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 10:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA log from previous execution

 

Hmmm, looks like groups.io will not let me attach a file so the log snippit is below.

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

 

Input: kb(laptop):downArrow
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:25:06.841):
Cancelling
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:06.848):
Queue empty, done processing
IO - speech.speak (11:25:10.543):
Speaking [u'Start  window']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:10.562):
Begin processing speech
IO - speech.speak (11:25:10.565):
Speaking [u'Cortana  window']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:25:10.578):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:10.578):
Begin processing speech
IO - speech.speak (11:25:10.605):
Speaking [u'Search box  edit']
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (11:25:10.609):
Potential unimplemented child class: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_StartMenuSearchFieldSearchFieldEditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object at 0x0712E950>
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.609):
_getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.611):
rootElement: edit
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.611):
full text:
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.611):
Fetching parents starting from enclosingElement
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
Hit root
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
Done fetching parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
Generating controlFields for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
Done generating controlFields for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
Yielding control starts for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
Done yielding control starts for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
Yielding balanced fields for textRange
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
no children
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.614):
Yielding text
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:10.614):
_getTextWithFields_text start
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:10.614):
Walking by unit None
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:10.614):
With further units of: [1, 2, 0]
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:10.614):
Done _getTextWithFields_text
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.615):
_getTextWithFieldsForUIARange end
IO - speech.speak (11:25:10.615):
Speaking [u'blank']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:25:12.256):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:12.256):
Begin processing speech
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:25:13.334):
Cancelling
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:25:13.338):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:13.338):
Calling idle on audio player
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:13.342):
Queue empty, done processing
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:13.585):
Input: kb(laptop):alt+tab
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.634):
_getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.635):
rootElement: edit
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.637):
full text:
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.638):
Fetching parents starting from enclosingElement
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.640):
Hit root
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.640):
Done fetching parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.641):
Generating controlFields for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.641):
Done generating controlFields for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.641):
Yielding control starts for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.641):
Done yielding control starts for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.641):
Yielding balanced fields for textRange
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.642):
no children
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.642):
Yielding text
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:13.644):
_getTextWithFields_text start
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:13.644):
Walking by unit None
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:13.644):
With further units of: [1, 2, 0]
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:13.644):
Done _getTextWithFields_text
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.645):
_getTextWithFieldsForUIARange end
DEBUGWARNING - eventHandler.executeEvent (11:25:13.878):
error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_MultitaskingViewFrameListItemListItemUIA object at 0x0712E950> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 152, in executeEvent
  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 92, in __init__
  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
  File "C:\Users\dmbx360\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\enhancedTouchGestures\globalPlugins\enhancedTouchGestures\__init__.py", line 115, in event_gainFocus
  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
  File "C:\Users\dmbx360\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\wintenApps\globalPlugins\wintenObjs\__init__.py", line 211, in event_gainFocus
  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
  File "appModules\explorer.pyo", line 280, in event_gainFocus
  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 942, in event_gainFocus
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 830, in reportFocus
  File "speech.pyo", line 379, in speakObject
  File "speech.pyo", line 273, in speakObjectProperties
  File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyo", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyo", line 1203, in _get_columnNumber
  File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyo", line 699, in _getUIACacheablePropertyValue
COMError: (-2147220991, 'An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (11:25:13.961):
Speaking [u'Inbox - dbeaver888@... - Mozilla Thunderbird']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:13.961):
Begin processing speech
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:25:14.010):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:14.010):
Calling idle on audio player
IO - speech.speak (11:25:14.059):
Speaking [u'table']
IO - speech.speak (11:25:14.063):
Speaking [u'High Priests Sundays : April  Dick Silver 0 3/29/2018 10:43 AM  row  6 of 6  level 1']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:25:15.957):
Cancelling
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:15.963):
Queue empty, done processing
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:16.223):
Input: kb(laptop):alt+tab
IO - speech.speak (11:25:16.411):
Speaking [u'C:\\Users\\dmbx360\\AppData\\Local\\Temp  row 1  column 2']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:16.420):
Begin processing speech
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:25:16.483):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:16.483):
Calling idle on audio player
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:25:16.594):
Cancelling
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:16.598):
Queue empty, done processing
IO - speech.speak (11:25:16.602):
Speaking [u'C:\\Users\\dmbx360\\AppData\\Local\\Temp  window']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:16.614):
Begin processing speech
IO - speech.speak (11:25:16.622):
Speaking [u'Items View  list']
IO - speech.speak (11:25:16.634):
Speaking [u'nvda.log  18 of 19']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:25:16.677):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:16.677):
Begin processing speech
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:17.618):
Input: kb(laptop):enter
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:25:17.622):
Cancelling
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:25:17.627):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:17.628):
Calling idle on audio player
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:17.631):
Queue empty, done processing

 

On 3/30/2018 1:10 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Well, this happens from time to time and has for the past few versions.  Since it is I will include the log snippit in this posting.  This happens most often when I press the windows key while in Thunderbird but I have seen it in other apps as well.

 

The log is attached.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 3/30/2018 11:35 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Usually restarting NVDA should sort this out. If this happens again, please do send the log fragment to the forum so we can find out what went wrong (although I have an idea as to what, but just want to make sure).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA log from previous execution

 

Ok, I figured out how to find the logs.

 

It looks like it is happening because of a UIA error. 

 

Should I turn off anything to stop this?  Not sure how to approach this one.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 3/30/2018 9:34 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Hi,

 

I am having a problem and thought I'd see if I could get a log of it.  The problem is that often if I am in Thunderbird or another app and I press the windows key NVDA seems to crash.  I have to restart it.

 

I can see how to get to the  current execution log but not the log from the execution when the crash happened.  How do I find this?

 

thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

 

 

 


Re: NVDA log from previous execution

Gene
 

The list doesn't allow attachments.  I suspect copying and pasting would serve.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA log from previous execution

Hi,

Hmmm, you say you’ve attached the log? I don’t see it.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA log from previous execution

 

Well, this happens from time to time and has for the past few versions.  Since it is I will include the log snippit in this posting.  This happens most often when I press the windows key while in Thunderbird but I have seen it in other apps as well.

 

The log is attached.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 3/30/2018 11:35 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Usually restarting NVDA should sort this out. If this happens again, please do send the log fragment to the forum so we can find out what went wrong (although I have an idea as to what, but just want to make sure).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA log from previous execution

 

Ok, I figured out how to find the logs.

 

It looks like it is happening because of a UIA error. 

 

Should I turn off anything to stop this?  Not sure how to approach this one.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 3/30/2018 9:34 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Hi,

 

I am having a problem and thought I'd see if I could get a log of it.  The problem is that often if I am in Thunderbird or another app and I press the windows key NVDA seems to crash.  I have to restart it.

 

I can see how to get to the  current execution log but not the log from the execution when the crash happened.  How do I find this?

 

thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

 

 


Re: NVDA log from previous execution

Dan Beaver
 

Hmmm, looks like groups.io will not let me attach a file so the log snippit is below.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


Input: kb(laptop):downArrow
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:25:06.841):
Cancelling
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:06.848):
Queue empty, done processing
IO - speech.speak (11:25:10.543):
Speaking [u'Start  window']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:10.562):
Begin processing speech
IO - speech.speak (11:25:10.565):
Speaking [u'Cortana  window']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:25:10.578):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:10.578):
Begin processing speech
IO - speech.speak (11:25:10.605):
Speaking [u'Search box  edit']
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (11:25:10.609):
Potential unimplemented child class: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_StartMenuSearchFieldSearchFieldEditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object at 0x0712E950>
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.609):
_getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.611):
rootElement: edit
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.611):
full text:
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.611):
Fetching parents starting from enclosingElement
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
Hit root
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
Done fetching parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
Generating controlFields for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
Done generating controlFields for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
Yielding control starts for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
Done yielding control starts for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
Yielding balanced fields for textRange
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.612):
no children
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.614):
Yielding text
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:10.614):
_getTextWithFields_text start
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:10.614):
Walking by unit None
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:10.614):
With further units of: [1, 2, 0]
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:10.614):
Done _getTextWithFields_text
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:10.615):
_getTextWithFieldsForUIARange end
IO - speech.speak (11:25:10.615):
Speaking [u'blank']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:25:12.256):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:12.256):
Begin processing speech
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:25:13.334):
Cancelling
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:25:13.338):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:13.338):
Calling idle on audio player
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:13.342):
Queue empty, done processing
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:13.585):
Input: kb(laptop):alt+tab
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.634):
_getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.635):
rootElement: edit
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.637):
full text:
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.638):
Fetching parents starting from enclosingElement
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.640):
Hit root
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.640):
Done fetching parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.641):
Generating controlFields for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.641):
Done generating controlFields for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.641):
Yielding control starts for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.641):
Done yielding control starts for parents
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.641):
Yielding balanced fields for textRange
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.642):
no children
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.642):
Yielding text
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:13.644):
_getTextWithFields_text start
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:13.644):
Walking by unit None
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:13.644):
With further units of: [1, 2, 0]
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFields_text (11:25:13.644):
Done _getTextWithFields_text
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange (11:25:13.645):
_getTextWithFieldsForUIARange end
DEBUGWARNING - eventHandler.executeEvent (11:25:13.878):
error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_MultitaskingViewFrameListItemListItemUIA object at 0x0712E950> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 152, in executeEvent
  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 92, in __init__
  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
  File "C:\Users\dmbx360\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\enhancedTouchGestures\globalPlugins\enhancedTouchGestures\__init__.py", line 115, in event_gainFocus
  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
  File "C:\Users\dmbx360\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\wintenApps\globalPlugins\wintenObjs\__init__.py", line 211, in event_gainFocus
  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
  File "appModules\explorer.pyo", line 280, in event_gainFocus
  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 942, in event_gainFocus
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 830, in reportFocus
  File "speech.pyo", line 379, in speakObject
  File "speech.pyo", line 273, in speakObjectProperties
  File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyo", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyo", line 1203, in _get_columnNumber
  File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyo", line 699, in _getUIACacheablePropertyValue
COMError: (-2147220991, 'An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (11:25:13.961):
Speaking [u'Inbox - dbeaver888@... - Mozilla Thunderbird']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:13.961):
Begin processing speech
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:25:14.010):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:14.010):
Calling idle on audio player
IO - speech.speak (11:25:14.059):
Speaking [u'table']
IO - speech.speak (11:25:14.063):
Speaking [u'High Priests Sundays : April  Dick Silver 0 3/29/2018 10:43 AM  row  6 of 6  level 1']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:25:15.957):
Cancelling
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:15.963):
Queue empty, done processing
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:16.223):
Input: kb(laptop):alt+tab
IO - speech.speak (11:25:16.411):
Speaking [u'C:\\Users\\dmbx360\\AppData\\Local\\Temp  row 1  column 2']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:16.420):
Begin processing speech
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:25:16.483):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:16.483):
Calling idle on audio player
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:25:16.594):
Cancelling
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:16.598):
Queue empty, done processing
IO - speech.speak (11:25:16.602):
Speaking [u'C:\\Users\\dmbx360\\AppData\\Local\\Temp  window']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:16.614):
Begin processing speech
IO - speech.speak (11:25:16.622):
Speaking [u'Items View  list']
IO - speech.speak (11:25:16.634):
Speaking [u'nvda.log  18 of 19']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:25:16.677):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:16.677):
Begin processing speech
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:25:17.618):
Input: kb(laptop):enter
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:25:17.622):
Cancelling
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:25:17.627):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:17.628):
Calling idle on audio player
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:25:17.631):
Queue empty, done processing


On 3/30/2018 1:10 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Well, this happens from time to time and has for the past few versions.  Since it is I will include the log snippit in this posting.  This happens most often when I press the windows key while in Thunderbird but I have seen it in other apps as well.


The log is attached.


Dan Beaver


On 3/30/2018 11:35 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Usually restarting NVDA should sort this out. If this happens again, please do send the log fragment to the forum so we can find out what went wrong (although I have an idea as to what, but just want to make sure).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA log from previous execution

 

Ok, I figured out how to find the logs.

 

It looks like it is happening because of a UIA error. 

 

Should I turn off anything to stop this?  Not sure how to approach this one.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 3/30/2018 9:34 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Hi,

 

I am having a problem and thought I'd see if I could get a log of it.  The problem is that often if I am in Thunderbird or another app and I press the windows key NVDA seems to crash.  I have to restart it.

 

I can see how to get to the  current execution log but not the log from the execution when the crash happened.  How do I find this?

 

thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

 




Re: NVDA log from previous execution

 

Hi,

Hmmm, you say you’ve attached the log? I don’t see it.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA log from previous execution

 

Well, this happens from time to time and has for the past few versions.  Since it is I will include the log snippit in this posting.  This happens most often when I press the windows key while in Thunderbird but I have seen it in other apps as well.

 

The log is attached.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 3/30/2018 11:35 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Usually restarting NVDA should sort this out. If this happens again, please do send the log fragment to the forum so we can find out what went wrong (although I have an idea as to what, but just want to make sure).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA log from previous execution

 

Ok, I figured out how to find the logs.

 

It looks like it is happening because of a UIA error. 

 

Should I turn off anything to stop this?  Not sure how to approach this one.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 3/30/2018 9:34 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Hi,

 

I am having a problem and thought I'd see if I could get a log of it.  The problem is that often if I am in Thunderbird or another app and I press the windows key NVDA seems to crash.  I have to restart it.

 

I can see how to get to the  current execution log but not the log from the execution when the crash happened.  How do I find this?

 

thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

 

 


Re: NVDA log from previous execution

Dan Beaver
 

Well, this happens from time to time and has for the past few versions.  Since it is I will include the log snippit in this posting.  This happens most often when I press the windows key while in Thunderbird but I have seen it in other apps as well.


The log is attached.


Dan Beaver


On 3/30/2018 11:35 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Usually restarting NVDA should sort this out. If this happens again, please do send the log fragment to the forum so we can find out what went wrong (although I have an idea as to what, but just want to make sure).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA log from previous execution

 

Ok, I figured out how to find the logs.

 

It looks like it is happening because of a UIA error. 

 

Should I turn off anything to stop this?  Not sure how to approach this one.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 3/30/2018 9:34 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Hi,

 

I am having a problem and thought I'd see if I could get a log of it.  The problem is that often if I am in Thunderbird or another app and I press the windows key NVDA seems to crash.  I have to restart it.

 

I can see how to get to the  current execution log but not the log from the execution when the crash happened.  How do I find this?

 

thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

 



Re: NVDA Chinese writing

Ervin, Glenn
 

Cool!

That is good to know!

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Chinese writing

 

Or to reset to nvda defaults, do the following

 

NVDA+Ctrl+R (3 times quickly) = Reset to default settings

 

This will completely reset nvda to defaults which will use your system language

 

 

And don’t forget to restart nvda after this, or changing the nvda language

For changes to take affect

 

 

 

 

From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: 30 March 2018 15:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Chinese writing

 

Gene is just complicating the situation needlessly.

Please try this:

 

1. Press NVDA+ctrl+g. This means hold down the NVDA key (insert),

control and press g.

2. When that dialog comes up, press e.

3. Press enter twice.

 

If that doesn't work, and you don't mind deleting your NVDA

configuration and starting again, do this:

1. Press windows+r for the run dialog.

2. Type %appdata% and press enter. This is percent, appdata, percent.

3. Find NVDA in that folder, open that, then in there find nvda.ini.

Delete it.

It's best to do all this with NVDA not running, since save configuration

on exit will overwrite it.

 

On 3/30/2018 6:52 AM, Darrel Hughes via Groups.Io wrote:

> Gene I only want to change it back to English and if you know how that

> would be helpful .  If you don't it's quite alright to say you don't

> know how.

>

>  

>

> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Gene

> *Sent:* Friday, March 30, 2018 8:35 AM

> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Chinese writing

>

>  

>

> When reporting problems, making statements of fact based on guesses

> isn't a good idea.  You could explain why you say you think it's Chinese

> but unless you know that no other supported languages use alphabets that

> look anything like the Chinese alphabet, at least to those who don't

> know any of these alphabets, that is a statement based on a guess. 

>

>  

>

> I'm not going into this because it matters in this specific case, the

> problem would be solved in the same way, whatever the language.  But

> when presenting any problem, don't present a guess as a statement of

> fact.  It may cause those trying to solve the problem to think it is

> something different than it is.

>

>  

>

> Gene

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> *From:*Darrel Hughes via Groups.Io <mailto:darrel71@...>

>

> *Sent:*Friday, March 30, 2018 8:16 AM

>

> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>

> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] NVDA Chinese writing

>

>  

>

> My wife told me that it looks like Chinese

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony

> Stone

> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 6:28 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Chinese writing

>

> I don't know whether this is a silly question or not, but how do you know it

> is Chinese?

>

> Antony.

>

> On Friday 30 March 2018 at 02:15:52, Darrel Hughes via Groups.Io wrote:

>

>> Helo everybody

>> 

>> I am quite new to NVDA and I speak English and do not understand

>> Chinese writing at all. For some reason my NVDA has only Chinese

>> writing. Does anyone have a solution?

>> 

>> Thanks

>> Darrel

>

> --

> I want to build a machine that will be proud of me.

>

>  - Danny Hillis, creator of The Connection Machine

>

>                                                    Please reply to the list;

>                                                          please *don't* CC

> me.

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA Chinese writing

Chris
 

Or to reset to nvda defaults, do the following

 

NVDA+Ctrl+R (3 times quickly) = Reset to default settings

 

This will completely reset nvda to defaults which will use your system language

 

 

And don’t forget to restart nvda after this, or changing the nvda language

For changes to take affect

 

 

 

 

From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: 30 March 2018 15:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Chinese writing

 

Gene is just complicating the situation needlessly.

Please try this:

 

1. Press NVDA+ctrl+g. This means hold down the NVDA key (insert),

control and press g.

2. When that dialog comes up, press e.

3. Press enter twice.

 

If that doesn't work, and you don't mind deleting your NVDA

configuration and starting again, do this:

1. Press windows+r for the run dialog.

2. Type %appdata% and press enter. This is percent, appdata, percent.

3. Find NVDA in that folder, open that, then in there find nvda.ini.

Delete it.

It's best to do all this with NVDA not running, since save configuration

on exit will overwrite it.

 

On 3/30/2018 6:52 AM, Darrel Hughes via Groups.Io wrote:

> Gene I only want to change it back to English and if you know how that

> would be helpful .  If you don't it's quite alright to say you don't

> know how.

>

>  

>

> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Gene

> *Sent:* Friday, March 30, 2018 8:35 AM

> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Chinese writing

>

>  

>

> When reporting problems, making statements of fact based on guesses

> isn't a good idea.  You could explain why you say you think it's Chinese

> but unless you know that no other supported languages use alphabets that

> look anything like the Chinese alphabet, at least to those who don't

> know any of these alphabets, that is a statement based on a guess. 

>

>  

>

> I'm not going into this because it matters in this specific case, the

> problem would be solved in the same way, whatever the language.  But

> when presenting any problem, don't present a guess as a statement of

> fact.  It may cause those trying to solve the problem to think it is

> something different than it is.

>

>  

>

> Gene

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> *From:*Darrel Hughes via Groups.Io <mailto:darrel71@...>

>

> *Sent:*Friday, March 30, 2018 8:16 AM

>

> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>

> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] NVDA Chinese writing

>

>  

>

> My wife told me that it looks like Chinese

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony

> Stone

> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 6:28 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Chinese writing

>

> I don't know whether this is a silly question or not, but how do you know it

> is Chinese?

>

> Antony.

>

> On Friday 30 March 2018 at 02:15:52, Darrel Hughes via Groups.Io wrote:

>

>> Helo everybody

>> 

>> I am quite new to NVDA and I speak English and do not understand

>> Chinese writing at all. For some reason my NVDA has only Chinese

>> writing. Does anyone have a solution?

>> 

>> Thanks

>> Darrel

>

> --

> I want to build a machine that will be proud of me.

>

>  - Danny Hillis, creator of The Connection Machine

>

>                                                    Please reply to the list;

>                                                          please *don't* CC

> me.

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA log from previous execution

 

Hi,

Usually restarting NVDA should sort this out. If this happens again, please do send the log fragment to the forum so we can find out what went wrong (although I have an idea as to what, but just want to make sure).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA log from previous execution

 

Ok, I figured out how to find the logs.

 

It looks like it is happening because of a UIA error. 

 

Should I turn off anything to stop this?  Not sure how to approach this one.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 3/30/2018 9:34 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Hi,

 

I am having a problem and thought I'd see if I could get a log of it.  The problem is that often if I am in Thunderbird or another app and I press the windows key NVDA seems to crash.  I have to restart it.

 

I can see how to get to the  current execution log but not the log from the execution when the crash happened.  How do I find this?

 

thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

 


Re: NVDA log from previous execution

Dan Beaver
 

Ok, I figured out how to find the logs.


It looks like it is happening because of a UIA error. 


Should I turn off anything to stop this?  Not sure how to approach this one.


Dan Beaver


On 3/30/2018 9:34 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Hi,


I am having a problem and thought I'd see if I could get a log of it.  The problem is that often if I am in Thunderbird or another app and I press the windows key NVDA seems to crash.  I have to restart it.


I can see how to get to the  current execution log but not the log from the execution when the crash happened.  How do I find this?


thanks.


Dan Beaver



Re: [SUSPECT URL!]Re: [nvda] NVDA Chinese writing

Ervin, Glenn
 

Well, you could bring up Narrator while it is speaking in the other language, and although you will hear both, you can focus on Narrator enough to follow it to change NVDA’s settings.

HTH.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Darrel Hughes via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 8:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECT URL!]Re: [nvda] NVDA Chinese writing

 

Only in the NVDA menus

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 2:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Chinese writing

 

Hi

 

Where abouts is the writing? is it in the nvda menus? so all the menus are in another language? or do you mean when you are reading say a email and now and again you hear it speaking like in another language??

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 3/30/2018 1:15 PM, Darrel Hughes via Groups.Io wrote:

Helo everybody

I am quite new to NVDA and I speak English and do not understand Chinese writing at all. For some reason my NVDA has only Chinese writing. Does anyone have a solution?

Thanks
Darrel

 

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