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Re: رد: [nvda] can we control the computerrs using nvda with braille display?

Sam Taylor
 

Amir,

You may find the Braille Extender add-on useful:

BrailleExtender is an NVDA add-on that provides various features at braille level. Currently, the following features are implemented:
• Reload two favorite braille display with shortcuts.
• Automatically switch in review mode in apps.
• Auto scroll.
• Switch between several input/output braille tables.
• Define custom rules to mark text with special fields option with braille dots 7 and 8.
• Use two output braille tables simultaneously.
• Display tab signs as spaces.
• Reverse forward scroll and back scroll buttons.
• Say the current line during text scrolling, in review mode.
For some braille displays, it extends the braille display commands to provide:
• Access to function keys, multimedia keys, quick navigation.
• Emulate modifier keys, and thus any keyboard shortcut.
• Offer several keyboard configurations concerning the possibility to input dots 7 and 8, enter and backspace.
• Launch applications quickly.
• Actions and quick navigation through a rotor.
Once the add-on is installed, read the documentation and go through the settings using the BrailleExtender menu (located at the root of NVDA menu). The documentation is mainly generated automatically because it depends on the braille display in use.

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/brailleExtender.en.html


On 31/03/2018 16:58, amir din wrote:

Hi,

Sorry for not mentioning it,  i mean, controlling the computer, our pc not others, like now, after writing this  message, i want to press ctrl+enter to send it, from my understanding, it is not possible with the Braille display, meaning i have  to use the keyboard to perfrom control plus enter. So  after it is done, then i will continue using the Braille display again.

Only basic keys are supported for Braille right now, such as down arrow, up arrow, tab, escape. But not all, and not complicated keys, such as pressing alt+control+shift+f, it must be done using the keyboard. Is this correct? Or am i missing something?

 

 

 

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Re: [nvda] can we control the computerrs using nvda with braille display?

 

hi.
i just use nvda remote with speech and did not test it with braille.
but whats new of nvda version 2.0, tells that controling other
computers remotely with braille is supported.

On 3/31/18, amir din <mrdin8877@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Can we use only our braille display to control the computer with nvda? Like
> performing the keyboard shortcuts, alt tab, alt f4 etc. From my readings,
> nvda does not have this functionality fully, so to all braille users with
> nvda, how do you use braille? Meaning, if you want to perform keyboard
> hotkeys, some, you use the keyboard and read the output in braille after
> that?
> Sorry and Thanks.
>
>
>
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رد: [nvda] can we control the computerrs using nvda with braille display?

amir din
 

Hi,

Sorry for not mentioning it,  i mean, controlling the computer, our pc not others, like now, after writing this  message, i want to press ctrl+enter to send it, from my understanding, it is not possible with the Braille display, meaning i have  to use the keyboard to perfrom control plus enter. So  after it is done, then i will continue using the Braille display again.

Only basic keys are supported for Braille right now, such as down arrow, up arrow, tab, escape. But not all, and not complicated keys, such as pressing alt+control+shift+f, it must be done using the keyboard. Is this correct? Or am i missing something?

 

 

 

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من: zahra
إرسال: ‏15/‏07/‏1439 ‏02
:53 ‏م
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الموضوع:
Re: [nvda] can we control the computerrs using nvda with braille display?

 

hi.
i just use nvda remote with speech and did not test it with braille.
but whats new of nvda version 2.0, tells that controling other
computers remotely with braille is supported.

On 3/31/18, amir din <mrdin8877@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Can we use only our braille display to control the computer with nvda? Like
> performing the keyboard shortcuts, alt tab, alt f4 etc. From my readings,
> nvda does not have this functionality fully, so to all braille users with
> nvda, how do you use braille? Meaning, if you want to perform keyboard
> hotkeys, some, you use the keyboard and read the output in braille after
> that?
> Sorry and Thanks.
>
>
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--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

 


Re: can we control the computerrs using nvda with braille display?

Sam Taylor
 

I think the original poster is asking whether or not NVA can be operated entirely from a braille display.

Yes. When you pair your braille device, you will be able to see which keys are assigned under input gestures.

Cheers

Sam


On 31/03/2018 16:53, zahra wrote:
hi.
i just use nvda remote with speech and did not test it with braille.
but whats new of nvda version 2.0, tells that controling other
computers remotely with braille is supported.

On 3/31/18, amir din <mrdin8877@...> wrote:
Hi,
Can we use only our braille display to control the computer with nvda? Like
performing the keyboard shortcuts, alt tab, alt f4 etc. From my readings,
nvda does not have this functionality fully, so to all braille users with
nvda, how do you use braille? Meaning, if you want to perform keyboard
hotkeys, some, you use the keyboard and read the output in braille after
that?
Sorry and Thanks.


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Re: can we control the computerrs using nvda with braille display?

 

hi.
i just use nvda remote with speech and did not test it with braille.
but whats new of nvda version 2.0, tells that controling other
computers remotely with braille is supported.

On 3/31/18, amir din <mrdin8877@...> wrote:

Hi,
Can we use only our braille display to control the computer with nvda? Like
performing the keyboard shortcuts, alt tab, alt f4 etc. From my readings,
nvda does not have this functionality fully, so to all braille users with
nvda, how do you use braille? Meaning, if you want to perform keyboard
hotkeys, some, you use the keyboard and read the output in braille after
that?
Sorry and Thanks.


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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


can we control the computerrs using nvda with braille display?

amir din
 

               

Hi,

Can we use only our braille display to control the computer with nvda? Like performing the keyboard shortcuts, alt tab, alt f4 etc. From my readings, nvda does not have this functionality fully, so to all braille users with nvda, how do you use braille? Meaning, if you want to perform keyboard hotkeys, some, you use the keyboard and read the output in braille after that?

Sorry and Thanks.

 

 

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Re: getting the professional version of station playlist studio registered

Armando Maldonado
 

Hello, I do suggest what Joseph said but if you must know, Station name is basically your first and last name, unless you registered it as whatever your station name is when purchasing.
armando

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Ballou" <cyberpro224@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 10:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] getting the professional version of station playlist studio registered


Hi folks,


I purchased station playlist studio and I can't seem to get it
registered I know that you type in the serial number, and the 20 digit
code, but I have having trouble with the station name. No matter what i
type in there I get an error something about an invalid value and to
press escape to which sends me back to the registration screen from that
point that invalid value error message comes up every time I tab around
the screen. .What should the proper syntax be for the station name?
Hopefully one of you listers can help me sort this out. Tony




Re: getting the professional version of station playlist studio registered

 

Hi,
Wait, before we continue with this: are you a broadcaster intending to use SPL Studio, or did you buy it because people told you about it? If you are NOT a broadcaster, then please contact StationPlaylist developer (Ross Levis, who is not a member of this list)for chance for a refund, because SPL Studio Pro costs 250 dollars or so. If however, you are indeed a broadcaster, then you need to put in the station name in a plain text format.
An important reminder: just because I or other add-on authors are asking for feedback should not be a reason to purchase expensive software unless you really have to. This is why I did say in the original message I sent a few days ago that I'm seeking feedback from SPL users. At this point, I'm half-tempted to never again ask for feedback on the SPL add-on from this list because someone might purchase an expensive software without being educated as to what it is and its purpose, or for that matter, if one is actually not broadcasting or plan not to use this software as a broadcaster. But given that we have broadcasters on this list who do use this software and the add-on for it, and because not all of them are part of the NVDA-SPL list, I'll ask for wider feedback from time to time but with an important change: I will accept feedback only from broadcasters and other users who are actual users of StationPlaylist Studio, or is interested in using it for broadcasting purposes.
For future reference, the subscription info for NVDA-SPL list is:
nvda-spl+subscribe@nvda-spl.groups.io
Another thing to note: StationPlaylist Studio add-on follows continuous delivery model - same principle as Windows 10 App Essentials add-on. As such, you'll see tons of messages about snapshots (two snapshot levels) on the NVDA-SPL list. Most snapshots are stable, but occasionally an alpha-level build may not work all the way or is filled with experimental features.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 10:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] getting the professional version of station playlist studio registered

Hi folks,


I purchased station playlist studio and I can't seem to get it registered I know that you type in the serial number, and the 20 digit code, but I have having trouble with the station name. No matter what i type in there I get an error something about an invalid value and to press escape to which sends me back to the registration screen from that point that invalid value error message comes up every time I tab around the screen. .What should the proper syntax be for the station name? Hopefully one of you listers can help me sort this out. Tony


getting the professional version of station playlist studio registered

Tony Ballou
 

Hi folks,


I purchased station playlist studio and I can't seem to get it
registered I know that you type in the serial number, and the 20 digit
code, but I have having trouble with the station name. No matter what i
type in there I get an error something about an invalid value and to
press escape to which sends me back to the registration screen from that
point that invalid value error message comes up every time I tab around
the screen.   .What should the proper syntax be for the station name? 
Hopefully one of you listers can help me sort this out.  Tony


Re: windows live mial 2015

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I don't have one.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 4:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows live mial 2015

 

Wondering if anyone has a copy of windows live mail 2015.

I was just told by Microsoft that is was in existence but no longer supported and therefor not available for download from them.

Thyanks so much.

Rich

 


Re: nvda and edge

Gary Metzler
 

I guess I will have to live with it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

I tried to reproduce also but was unable to get a list of items to read the items twice. I probably should know this but were the list items also links?

 

I believe that NVDA does on occasion set focus to the location of the browse mode cursor and I am wondering if perhaps that might have caused double speak. I did also try routing the mouse to the list I was viewing and that also did not cause additional speech though I would have expected possibly a bit more speech than I encountered.

 

I did also notice that at least in some cases if you request the next list in Edge  with the “L” keystroke that NVDA will sometimes read every item in the list. I don’t believe this is the behavior in other browsers.

 that

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Friday, March 30, 2018 at 3:51 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

Hi Sylvie,

 

Thank you for looking into this for me.  I will try it again and if it happens again I will do what you suggested.  Thanks again.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 10:11 AM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

Hello Gary,
I just reproduced the steps you described.
I looked for the beginning of the newsletter in pressing the H key.
Then NVDA started reading.
When it came to "heading 3 New Features"
NVDA started to announce there was a list with 7 items.
Nested lists were also read correctly.
So I don't understand what can go wrong with your experience.
Pressing l to reach this list let NVDA read the list, but nothing is repeated.
So I am sorry I cannot help more.
Did you try to restart Edge and / or NVDA?
Have a nice week-end
Sylvie
Le 30/03/2018 à 15:02, Gary Metzler a écrit :

Hi Sylvie,

 

Thank you for getting back to me.  Here is what I did.  I went to the link in the e mail and opened the web page.  I then used the h command to go to the in process heading.  I then used the say all command to read the newsletter.  When it got to the bulleted list is where it started repeating.  I hope this is clear.  Thanks again for your response.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:09 AM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

Hello Garry,

I just tried reading the in process with NVDA and Edge and I encountered no problem.

Could you describe what you are doing and when the problem occurs?

Did you try reading other web sites?

Best

Sylvie

Le 29/03/2018 à 18:56, Gary Metzler a écrit :

Hi All,

 

I am trying edge with the latest January 1 update and windows 10.  When I was reading the in process newsletter edge would repeat what was just read.  Is this normal or do I need to change a setting?  Thanks for any help.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

Send to: gmtravel@...

 

 

 

 


Re: windows live mial 2015

Antony Stone
 

I thought 2012 was the last released version of Windows Live Mail?

Antony.

On Saturday 31 March 2018 at 01:56:57, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io wrote:

Wondering if anyone has a copy of windows live mail 2015.

I was just told by Microsoft that is was in existence but no longer
supported and therefor not available for download from them.

Thyanks so much.

Rich
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windows live mial 2015

Richard Kuzma
 

Wondering if anyone has a copy of windows live mail 2015.

I was just told by Microsoft that is was in existence but no longer supported and therefor not available for download from them.

Thyanks so much.

Rich

 


Re: In relation to pronounciation corrections in eSpeak NG once more

Antony Stone
 

A wiki strikes me as being the ideal place to put such things.

This would enable multiple contributors to create their own pages, with their
own notes about which synth they use, what language / accent / dialect they
prefer, and upload their version/s of dictionaries for others to try out and
also learn from.

I have no idea whether NVaccess has such a wiki as part of its online web
resources, or would even want to as part of anything official, but if not, I'm
sure there are people here on the list who could provide one if that's the
best solution.


Regards,


Antony.

On Saturday 31 March 2018 at 01:12:09, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

This sounds like a good idea, to be honest. Most of my dictionary entries
are related to either Pokémon, names of characters from a couple other
anime, and corrections to help Espeak handle compound words (to be fair, a
lot of these are not usual compound words, but sometimes there were
non-compound words rendered as such as well as the other way around). Some
of these are personal to me, and someone not in the circle of
Fanfiction.net that I was in would not have occasion to use them. There
are names I've tried to get as close to accurate as possible, and sadly
failed and aborted. I do not know how to naturally stress a syllable via
regular expressions, so cannot get "Gallade" pronounced correctly, as an
example.


That said, most people using NVDA have different synth preferences, as
demonstrated by previous threads on this topic, so the synth being used as
default should be noted when compiling the lists of Dictionary entries.
But this would be a great resource to put together.

On 31/03/2018 8:38 AM, Gene wrote:
I would think the best thing to do as far as making the file available, is
to copy the .dic file to another location on your computer. If it's the
default.dic file, that may be it's name. I've almost never done this and
others may be able to tell you where it is. Then you could send it
somewhere such as to a Drop Box folder or to someone who will place it on
their web site, such as the other Gene.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Dejan Ristic<mailto:r.dejan83@...>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] In relation to pronounciation corrections in eSpeak NG once
more

Hi to the respective community and users,


Due to the messages relating to the pronounciation corrections I happen
to have read so far, I've just decided to extract them from the
directory called Speech Dictionaries. They are contained in a notepad
document, which implies that I may offer them whenever you like.


The only question is where to post the document so that it may be
accessed by the NVDA users. I do not consider myself to be supposed to
do it here, for I have not obtained a permission to do so. I also do not
think that it should be done that way because the mail traffic may be
made lower.


That's why I'm addressing myself to you so that I may do it in a proper
manner so as not to come in breach of the rules and regulations of the
mailing list.


As I've already said, I've made over a hundred corrections. Let me
confirm here that I've made 139 corrections so far. That's how users can
help each other without calling a programmer to intervene.


I hope that it is possible to find room for us the users to upload our
corrections so that when accessing that piece of the site, we can
automatically exchange pronounciation corrections. That's one way of how
eSpeak NG speech may be updated without wating any next release to launch.


If I'm supposed to send the mentioned document to an admin in a private
message so that it may be reviewed, I'm glad to obey the rule. If I'm
supposed to mention this topic no longer, I shall obey that rule, too.


Your sincere friend and user,


Dejan
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Re: In relation to pronounciation corrections in eSpeak NG once more

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

This sounds like a good idea, to be honest. Most of my dictionary entries are related to either Pokémon, names of characters from a couple other anime, and corrections to help Espeak handle compound words (to be fair, a lot of these are not usual compound words, but sometimes there were non-compound words rendered as such as well as the other way around). Some of these are personal to me, and someone not in the circle of Fanfiction.net that I was in would not have occasion to use them. There are names I've tried to get as close to accurate as possible, and sadly failed and aborted. I do not know how to naturally stress a syllable via regular expressions, so cannot get "Gallade" pronounced correctly, as an example.


That said, most people using NVDA have different synth preferences, as demonstrated by previous threads on this topic, so the synth being used as default should be noted when compiling the lists of Dictionary entries. But this would be a great resource to put together.


On 31/03/2018 8:38 AM, Gene wrote:
I would think the best thing to do as far as making the file available, is to copy the .dic file to another location on your computer.  If it's the default.dic file, that may be it's name.  I've almost never done this and others may be able to tell you where it is.  Then you could send it somewhere such as to a Drop Box folder or to someone who will place it on their web site, such as the other Gene.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] In relation to pronounciation corrections in eSpeak NG once more

Hi to the respective community and users,


Due to the messages relating to the pronounciation corrections I happen
to have read so far, I've just decided to extract them from the
directory called Speech Dictionaries. They are contained in a notepad
document, which implies that I may offer them whenever you like.


The only question is where to post the document so that it may be
accessed by the NVDA users. I do not consider myself to be supposed to
do it here, for I have not obtained a permission to do so. I also do not
think that it should be done that way because the mail traffic may be
made lower.


That's why I'm addressing myself to you so that I may do it in a proper
manner so as not to come in breach of the rules and regulations of the
mailing list.


As I've already said, I've made over a hundred corrections. Let me
confirm here that I've made 139 corrections so far. That's how users can
help each other without calling a programmer to intervene.


I hope that it is possible to find room for us the users to upload our
corrections so that when accessing that piece of the site, we can
automatically exchange pronounciation corrections. That's one way of how
eSpeak NG speech may be updated without wating any next release to launch.


If I'm supposed to send the mentioned document to an admin in a private
message so that it may be reviewed, I'm glad to obey the rule. If I'm
supposed to mention this topic no longer, I shall obey that rule, too.


Your sincere friend and user,


Dejan






Re: Excerpt from Espeak NG list

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

I would like to preface with the fact that I am also Trix Maiden. These submissions were made to the Git Hub for Espeak NG and that's my username over there.


I am glad that change has been reversed, as I have never heard this kind of thing in spoken English except in words where it's appropriate, such as the ones you gave as examples. You must admit, however, that when you hear the phrase "done quickly", and the "done" sounds like "dung", a blind person using a screen-reader to provide them with accurate rendering of what they are reading is going to raise an eyebrow. :)


On 31/03/2018 12:42 AM, Reece H. Dunn wrote:
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 05:40 am, Gene wrote:
Thanks for your explanation.  But it doesn't address the complaint.
 
The complaint said that there is an additional g sound where two words such as ing case are spoken.  As to the n sounding different in a word like sing, I agree.
The issue referenced in this discussion talked about there being too much emphasis on the "n", "as if there is an extra "g" at the end of it before the next word begins. The only change made in that regard is the one I talked about -- espeak-ng is not/was not inserting an extra g sound in that case. Compare "singer" (no "g") and "linger" (with a "g") for an example of eSpeak and eSpeak NG pronouncing the "g" sound.

With the -ing ending, some accents (e.g. London/cockney) say it as "in" (e.g. somethin'), other accents. In https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_FtnOTLkSs&t=137, the female speaker uses the velarised n without a g, and the male (cokney) speaker uses a regular n sound. When the -ing not the final part of the word such as with an -er ending like in stronger and linger, some accents pronounce the g while others do not. In https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvLfIMepxJ8 the g is pronounced in the word linger. For the word "singer", in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJaEpvEcrsA, the first American speaker, and both British and Scottish speakers pronounces the "g", while the second American speaker and the Irish speakers do not.

I don't have a way to try the latest NVDA to hear the speech so I don't know if this problem has been completely eliminated.  I understand there is a SAPI 5 version.  Does that version contain the latest code?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excerpt from Espeak NG list
 
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 01:29 am, Gene wrote:
This is not done in English.  I've never heard anything even remotely like what is being stated as being in spoken, rather than written English. 
 
If the claim is being made as reported in the below message, it is not partly or marginally incorrect, it is completely incorrect.  In two words like can get, the n is held and the g is smoothly spoken at the instant the n sound is ended.  There is no additional g nor even a hint of one.  And that's the way things are generally. 
It is not an additional "g", it is the "n" sound before a "k" or "g" in words like "sing", "king", and "sink". Within words, this process happens naturally. Across words, that process may happen (especially when the words are spoken quickly, or with little pause between them).

Specifically, the "k" and "g" sounds are made by moving the back of your tongue to the back of your mouth (the velum). An "n" sound is made by touching the front of your tongue to the front of your mouth, but before a "k" or "g" sound (especially when done quickly), your tongue moves to the back of your mouth in preparation of making the "k" or "g" sound, so that "n" has a different sound to things like "no", or "none".

This is a process called velarization.

 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 2:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] Excerpt from Espeak NG list
 
Now I'm not getting at anyone here, but although the message below is
related to a very new incarnation of the synth, it kind of makes the point
made in a previous thread on here about the changes being made to Espeak
which do not sit well with users.
 Here is the post...
 I have no axe to grind here, except that it has been my experience too that
some pronunciations are dismissed as OK when they are not.

[espeak-ng:master] New Issue Created by Trix-Maiden:
#443 Velarisation in Espeak NG is too pronounced
I've brought this up before as well, but I want to do so again here, in less
abrasive language.
The current way Espeak ng processes velarisation puts too much emphasis on
it. Any word ending with an "N" that precedes one starting with a hard "g"
or "c" sounds as if there is an extra "g" at the end of it before the next
word begins. "Ing case", "wung game" "cang get", etc.
The last time I brought up this issue, I was told this is how these words
sound when spoken by humans, but I would disagree. Not to say this doesn't
happen, but it isn't lingered over the way it is in the current release of
Espeak ng. In previous versions, the transitions between these words sounded
natural enough to my ears, and this version over-emphasises the velarisation
to the point of it being unnatural.
(Note: I do not type "one" like that, but I had to alter spellings to
simulate the pronunciation issue as clearly as possible to another blind
person.)


Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


One part that I can't figure out is the navigator in both of the
programs.  As far as I know it may be the only parts that are.  I have
yet to play with the database math or drawing stuff though.


Tony

On 3/28/2018 3:14 PM, Vlad Dragomir wrote:
Hello,

May I ask, what's inaccessible in LibreOffice? I've been playing with
it for a while, and couldn't find any problems so far. I never tried
OpenOffice though.

Thanks, just being curious.

Vlad.



Re: In relation to pronounciation corrections in eSpeak NG once more

Gene
 

I would think the best thing to do as far as making the file available, is to copy the .dic file to another location on your computer.  If it's the default.dic file, that may be it's name.  I've almost never done this and others may be able to tell you where it is.  Then you could send it somewhere such as to a Drop Box folder or to someone who will place it on their web site, such as the other Gene.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] In relation to pronounciation corrections in eSpeak NG once more

Hi to the respective community and users,


Due to the messages relating to the pronounciation corrections I happen
to have read so far, I've just decided to extract them from the
directory called Speech Dictionaries. They are contained in a notepad
document, which implies that I may offer them whenever you like.


The only question is where to post the document so that it may be
accessed by the NVDA users. I do not consider myself to be supposed to
do it here, for I have not obtained a permission to do so. I also do not
think that it should be done that way because the mail traffic may be
made lower.


That's why I'm addressing myself to you so that I may do it in a proper
manner so as not to come in breach of the rules and regulations of the
mailing list.


As I've already said, I've made over a hundred corrections. Let me
confirm here that I've made 139 corrections so far. That's how users can
help each other without calling a programmer to intervene.


I hope that it is possible to find room for us the users to upload our
corrections so that when accessing that piece of the site, we can
automatically exchange pronounciation corrections. That's one way of how
eSpeak NG speech may be updated without wating any next release to launch.


If I'm supposed to send the mentioned document to an admin in a private
message so that it may be reviewed, I'm glad to obey the rule. If I'm
supposed to mention this topic no longer, I shall obey that rule, too.


Your sincere friend and user,


Dejan





Re: nvda and edge

Jonathan COHN
 

I tried to reproduce also but was unable to get a list of items to read the items twice. I probably should know this but were the list items also links?

 

I believe that NVDA does on occasion set focus to the location of the browse mode cursor and I am wondering if perhaps that might have caused double speak. I did also try routing the mouse to the list I was viewing and that also did not cause additional speech though I would have expected possibly a bit more speech than I encountered.

 

I did also notice that at least in some cases if you request the next list in Edge  with the “L” keystroke that NVDA will sometimes read every item in the list. I don’t believe this is the behavior in other browsers.

 that

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Friday, March 30, 2018 at 3:51 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

Hi Sylvie,

 

Thank you for looking into this for me.  I will try it again and if it happens again I will do what you suggested.  Thanks again.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

Hello Gary,
I just reproduced the steps you described.
I looked for the beginning of the newsletter in pressing the H key.
Then NVDA started reading.
When it came to "heading 3 New Features"
NVDA started to announce there was a list with 7 items.
Nested lists were also read correctly.
So I don't understand what can go wrong with your experience.
Pressing l to reach this list let NVDA read the list, but nothing is repeated.
So I am sorry I cannot help more.
Did you try to restart Edge and / or NVDA?
Have a nice week-end
Sylvie
Le 30/03/2018 à 15:02, Gary Metzler a écrit :


Hi Sylvie,

 

Thank you for getting back to me.  Here is what I did.  I went to the link in the e mail and opened the web page.  I then used the h command to go to the in process heading.  I then used the say all command to read the newsletter.  When it got to the bulleted list is where it started repeating.  I hope this is clear.  Thanks again for your response.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:09 AM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

Hello Garry,

I just tried reading the in process with NVDA and Edge and I encountered no problem.

Could you describe what you are doing and when the problem occurs?

Did you try reading other web sites?

Best

Sylvie

Le 29/03/2018 à 18:56, Gary Metzler a écrit :

Hi All,

 

I am trying edge with the latest January 1 update and windows 10.  When I was reading the in process newsletter edge would repeat what was just read.  Is this normal or do I need to change a setting?  Thanks for any help.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

Send to: gmtravel@...

 

 

 


In relation to pronounciation corrections in eSpeak NG once more

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi to the respective community and users,


Due to the messages relating to the pronounciation corrections I happen to have read so far, I've just decided to extract them from the directory called Speech Dictionaries. They are contained in a notepad document, which implies that I may offer them whenever you like.


The only question is where to post the document so that it may be accessed by the NVDA users. I do not consider myself to be supposed to do it here, for I have not obtained a permission to do so. I also do not think that it should be done that way because the mail traffic may be made lower.


That's why I'm addressing myself to you so that I may do it in a proper manner so as not to come in breach of the rules and regulations of the mailing list.


As I've already said, I've made over a hundred corrections. Let me confirm here that I've made 139 corrections so far. That's how users can help each other without calling a programmer to intervene.


I hope that it is possible to find room for us the users to upload our corrections so that when accessing that piece of the site, we can automatically exchange pronounciation corrections. That's one way of how eSpeak NG speech may be updated without wating any next release to launch.


If I'm supposed to send the mentioned document to an admin in a private message so that it may be reviewed, I'm glad to obey the rule. If I'm supposed to mention this topic no longer, I shall obey that rule, too.


Your sincere friend and user,


Dejan


Re: nvda and edge

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Sylvie,

 

Thank you for looking into this for me.  I will try it again and if it happens again I will do what you suggested.  Thanks again.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

Hello Gary,
I just reproduced the steps you described.
I looked for the beginning of the newsletter in pressing the H key.
Then NVDA started reading.
When it came to "heading 3 New Features"
NVDA started to announce there was a list with 7 items.
Nested lists were also read correctly.
So I don't understand what can go wrong with your experience.
Pressing l to reach this list let NVDA read the list, but nothing is repeated.
So I am sorry I cannot help more.
Did you try to restart Edge and / or NVDA?
Have a nice week-end
Sylvie
Le 30/03/2018 à 15:02, Gary Metzler a écrit :

Hi Sylvie,

 

Thank you for getting back to me.  Here is what I did.  I went to the link in the e mail and opened the web page.  I then used the h command to go to the in process heading.  I then used the say all command to read the newsletter.  When it got to the bulleted list is where it started repeating.  I hope this is clear.  Thanks again for your response.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and edge

 

Hello Garry,

I just tried reading the in process with NVDA and Edge and I encountered no problem.

Could you describe what you are doing and when the problem occurs?

Did you try reading other web sites?

Best

Sylvie

Le 29/03/2018 à 18:56, Gary Metzler a écrit :

Hi All,

 

I am trying edge with the latest January 1 update and windows 10.  When I was reading the in process newsletter edge would repeat what was just read.  Is this normal or do I need to change a setting?  Thanks for any help.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

Send to: gmtravel@...