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Circomplex in Thunderbird

Robert Mendoza
 

Not sure if anyone here noticed when reading mail in Thunderbird when scrolling down and heard of circomplex.  I am currently using NVDA version 2018.1.1 , I appreciate if you could shed your thoughts here. Thanks.

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Robert Mendoza


Re: Blindspot may need to close because of Spotify's changing API.

Gerardo Corripio
 

Indeed a shame! I've raelly gotten to love BlindSpot! it's very handy, especially for playing Spotify music on the PC moreover in a very accessible way! Hope something can be done about this before it's too late.

El 02/04/2018 a las 05:51 p.m., Shaun Everiss escribió:
That is a shame, another inaccessible music service the blind can't use.

Is spotify accessible it seems to be included now on the new install of win10 I have on the workstation.




On 3/04/2018 1:46 a.m., Robert Kingett wrote:
Per [Spotify's new API requirements,](http://developer.spotify.com/) meaning, they are killing off one in favor of the other, in this case, web... means that accessible apps like BlindSpot may not work anymore. It is a huge shame, but not at all shocking. The Git link is below to the thread.

Before anybody asks, because I know many will, and not bother looking it up, blindspot is an accessible, windowless, alternative application to Spotify that works using the keyboard only, and is only on Windows. The issue thread is below.

https://github.com/craigbrett17/blindspot/issues/38



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Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird


Re: NVDA 2018.1 freezes when editing an Excel worksheet

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Suzy,

I'd be interested to look over the log, although the group I think has stripped the attachment.  You can either paste it into the body of a message or send it to me offlist at info@....

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 2:55 AM, Suzy <blind_avenger@...> wrote:

hello,

 

My name is Suzy, and this is my first post. Since updating to 2018.1, NVDA has not worked well with Excel 2016. It runs smoothly for a while. Then it FREEZES. The trigger seems to be editing text in a cell. (Note: The freeze may happen right away or after several minutes of work.)

The scenario is as follows:

Open an existing workbook. (It can be large or small, and it can be an xlsx file or a csv file.)

Begin navigating through a sheet and editing cells. The text can be  changed by overwriting the text in the cell, using F2, or deleting the existing text before entering new information.)

Press Enter, Tab or Down Arrow to leav the newly edited cell; NVDA will not speak the text. Furthermore, NVDA refuses to speak at all for some time.

Standard Windows commands will continue to work as expected, so the workbook can be saved and closed. (Note: Sometimes Excel will not close completely.)

If the PC is left alone for a few moments, NVDA recovers on its own. Frequently, I've resorted to restarting the computer.

This problem is quite annoying. I have multiple workbooks, and I am teaching myself how to use the sumproduct formula. I cannot trust NVDA in its current state.

Below are some additional notes.

My PC is a Lenovo Yoga with an I5 processor and 8 gigs of ram.

Windows 10 and Office 365 are up-to-date.

Sometimes I have a Baum VU20 attached via USB. This is especially true, when I am working with formulas In Excel. The freeze also occurs, if braille entry is being used.

NVDA 2018.1 was initially installed using the standard update process. After discovering the issue, I uninstalled NVDA and reinstalled it.

I have also tried to work around the freeze by switching from sapi5 voices to One Core voices. I don’t know if this was worth the trouble, since I’m using David either way. I didn’t know about One Core voices until late last week.

I have an edited log, but it is quite lengthy. I left all the initializing NVDA information, and all of the information concerning Excel, since there appears to be numerous errors prior to the freeze.

I am not new to NVDA, but I am new to this list. I need some instruction as to what to do now.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Suzy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA log from previous execution

 

Well, this happens from time to time and has for the past few versions.  Since it is I will include the log snippit in this posting.  This happens most often when I press the windows key while in Thunderbird but I have seen it in other apps as well.

 

The log is attached.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 3/30/2018 11:35 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Usually restarting NVDA should sort this out. If this happens again, please do send the log fragment to the forum so we can find out what went wrong (although I have an idea as to what, but just want to make sure).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA log from previous execution

 

Ok, I figured out how to find the logs.

 

It looks like it is happening because of a UIA error. 

 

Should I turn off anything to stop this?  Not sure how to approach this one.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 3/30/2018 9:34 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Hi,

 

I am having a problem and thought I'd see if I could get a log of it.  The problem is that often if I am in Thunderbird or another app and I press the windows key NVDA seems to crash.  I have to restart it.

 

I can see how to get to the  current execution log but not the log from the execution when the crash happened.  How do I find this?

 

thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

 

 




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Re: Voice Dream Reader equivalent on PC?

Quentin Christensen
 

Fantastic,

Thanks Sam!  I've used QRead before but I must admit I don't read a lot of books on my PC so hadn't looked at it lately.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Sam Taylor <samtaylor9@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

You can do this with QRead which supports PDF, EPUB, DOCX and TXT. No Audio file support though. It's my go-to for quick reading of word docs and PDFs if I don't need all formatting preserved. Its tabbed interface supports multiple documents and the software remembers your position.

Cheers

Sam



On 2/04/2018 11:54, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I had an inquiry from someone who is familiar with Voice Dream Reader on iOS, and wondered whether there was a similar, accessible program on the PC?  Particularly of interest are features like being able to open it and quickly pick up where a particular title was previously left.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: 2018.1.1 out yet?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,

 

Thanks very much for the clarification. I see what you mean now. I thought only windows 10 users could get 2018.1.1.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2018.1.1 out yet?

 

Hi everyone,

 

Sorry for the confusion.  As mentioned in this thread, after putting up the 2018.1.1 update, we decided that since the only fix from 2018.1 was for the OneCore voices in Windows 10, we set it so that only users on Windows 10 would see the update.  This was done to save inconveniencing users of Windows 7 and 8 by making them download an update that didn't offer them anything new.  If you go to the regular download page, it will offer 2018.1.1 regardless of what operating system you are running.

 

When I put up In-Process last week, I waited until the update was live, but it was just after that the decision was made to set it to only be available automatically for Windows 10 users, so I apologise for not editing In-Process to make that clear.  Since I was putting out In-Process at exactly the time that I would have been putting out a release announcement about 2018.1.1, I joined them together in the one message just to save sending an extra message to the list.  I'll be sure to send two separate messages should a similar situation arise in future.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

I have now done this. So I can keep things up to date.
However it has not been made clear that the update was not going to even be offered to windows 7 people. I think this is a mistake, though well intentioned, as it puts people on different versions and also can cause confusion since we have had updates before that do not apply to some operating systems etc, and this is after all indicated in the whats new.

Also of course if like me you have a little used windows 7 machine running last years updates, the 1.1 is offered to those machines, making it even more confusing.

Just saying that it is unclear to me what the criteria is for offering it to windows 7 users, and I am fairly well versed in things, so anyone else is probably well confused.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Taylor" <samtaylor9@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 1:42 PM


Subject: Re: [nvda] 2018.1.1 out yet?

Hey Brian,

Odd that you did not receive an automatic update. You can download from
https://www.nvaccess.org/download/nvda/releases/2018.1.1/nvda_2018.1.1.exe

Cheers

Sam


On 31/03/2018 22:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Well not according to the auto update on 2018.1, no it has not, as I
just tested it to see if it had any updates pending.
Only the RC had the update which i have.
brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Taylor" <samtaylor9@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2018.1.1 out yet?

If you're asking if 2018.1.1 has been released then, yes, it has.


On 31/03/2018 20:06, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I gather no, but I still never saw the message in this list about the
rc either other than my one earlier in the week with my dropbox link.
Its either gone missing or its not here. so I just thought I'd mention
it for others waiting for it.

commit 05234175142167eb5c4682b640f2495154834723
Author: Michael Curran <mick@...>
Date: Wed 28 Mar 2018 10:38:27 +1000
Bump version_minor to 1


Email has been weird this last week.
Brian
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Re: 2018.1.1 out yet?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

Sorry for the confusion.  As mentioned in this thread, after putting up the 2018.1.1 update, we decided that since the only fix from 2018.1 was for the OneCore voices in Windows 10, we set it so that only users on Windows 10 would see the update.  This was done to save inconveniencing users of Windows 7 and 8 by making them download an update that didn't offer them anything new.  If you go to the regular download page, it will offer 2018.1.1 regardless of what operating system you are running.

When I put up In-Process last week, I waited until the update was live, but it was just after that the decision was made to set it to only be available automatically for Windows 10 users, so I apologise for not editing In-Process to make that clear.  Since I was putting out In-Process at exactly the time that I would have been putting out a release announcement about 2018.1.1, I joined them together in the one message just to save sending an extra message to the list.  I'll be sure to send two separate messages should a similar situation arise in future.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
I have now done this. So I can keep things up to date.
However it has not been made clear that the update was not going to even be offered to windows 7 people. I think this is a mistake, though well intentioned, as it puts people on different versions and also can cause confusion since we have had updates before that do not apply to some operating systems etc, and this is after all indicated in the whats new.

Also of course if like me you have a little used windows 7 machine running last years updates, the 1.1 is offered to those machines, making it even more confusing.

Just saying that it is unclear to me what the criteria is for offering it to windows 7 users, and I am fairly well versed in things, so anyone else is probably well confused.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Taylor" <samtaylor9@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 1:42 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] 2018.1.1 out yet?


Hey Brian,

Odd that you did not receive an automatic update. You can download from
https://www.nvaccess.org/download/nvda/releases/2018.1.1/nvda_2018.1.1.exe

Cheers

Sam


On 31/03/2018 22:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Well not according to the auto update on 2018.1, no it has not, as I
just tested it to see if it had any updates pending.
Only the RC had the update which i have.
brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Taylor" <samtaylor9@...>
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Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2018.1.1 out yet?


If you're asking if 2018.1.1 has been released then, yes, it has.


On 31/03/2018 20:06, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I gather no, but I still never saw the message in this list about the
rc either other than my one earlier in the week with my dropbox link.
Its either gone missing or its not here. so I just thought I'd mention
it for others waiting for it.

commit 05234175142167eb5c4682b640f2495154834723
Author: Michael Curran <mick@...>
Date: Wed 28 Mar 2018 10:38:27 +1000
Bump version_minor to 1


Email has been weird this last week.
Brian
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Re: A weird problem with NVDA and Windows 10

 

I have this with a user with an older system, which is at least for now dead.

He seems to like to leave it with windows open locked ofcause, and well its on all night.

The system is often locked up or really sluggish till I restart it.

My general rule is if I am gone for a few hours at home say 2 of them or less is to leave it on but if I know I will be gone for longer than 30 minutes I tend to shut the entire box down. Unless I am doing something.

On 3/04/2018 9:23 a.m., marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi guys,
My NVDA is having a strange and very annoying problem.
It happens that when I stay too much time far from my computer, when I come back my screen is totally frozen and there's nothing I can do about. Mouse and keyboard aparently don't receive my commands, my computer just stays there, out of any action.
The only thing I can do, obviously, is to manually restart it and then all seems to back to normality.
How I can resolve this problem? I'll really appreciate if there's a solution for my cyber nightmare haha

Cheers
Marcio


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Re: In-Process 29th March 2018 is out including NVDA 2018.1.1

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

Sorry I've not been about over Easter.

Re the bug with not starting automatically.  Looks like we might need to look into that further.  I thought there was an issue for it, but I can't find it now (either open or closed), does anyone recall the number?

Brian, likely old news to you now, but yes the final 2018.1.1 is now out.  We have set it so that if you check for updates on Windows 7 or 8, it will ignore it though, as the only fix is the OneCore bitrate fix which only affects Windows 10 users.  If you follow the link in In-Process or go to the download page it will download that version though regardless.

Kind regards

Quentin.



On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes, but the actual info on the full path to the rc which is up of 2018.1.1 is not given and the  RC is only downloaded from the rc on the users machine if it exist,
The full release seems not to be up yet, which is OK if its on rc2 now. However in this list there is usually some announcement about it and there has not been from the emails I've got at any rate.
I have posted a link to my dropbox version of the rc2 for those who want it. I just wondered whose job it was to post that the new release or rc is in fact up and  where to find it?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 6:28 AM
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 29th March 2018 is out including NVDA 2018.1.1


Hi everyone,

In-Process 29th March 2018 edition is out:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-march-2018/

This edition features the very new NVDA 2018.1.1 point release, as well as
our CSUN presentations and all the what's new information you can handle!

Enjoy :)

Quentin.

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Re: windows live mial 2015 (mial or mail)

 

I wouldn't bother with it anymore.

Its not maintained and it doesn't get the latest security certificates automatically anymore.

Yeah eudora 7 was really cool.

I did after the death of eudora 8 or opensource on old thunderbird contact qualcom and ask if it could be set for free, and released so some of us could continue it but was told that due to it using copywrited, and outdated libraries, and a really old programming language, even if those libraries were removed it couldn't be ported easily.

Which is a shame, eudora never crashed, it was quite stable and it never complained.

For its time it was basic crappy single function software but if thats all you need then well fine.

On 3/04/2018 7:07 a.m., Howard Traxler wrote:
Does anyone use Eudora anymore? I learned it back in 97 when I first started teaching at the deaf-blind center. I installed it on my win7 machine and it worked for a while. Maybe I'll try it on my win10 machine. However, I get scared that big brother will blow it away like he did my outlook express. Anything he doesn't like, ya know.

Howrd
----- Original Message -----
From: Ervin, Glenn
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015 (mial or mail)


I installed OE 6 on my Win 7 and a friend’s Win 10, and it seems to be doing fine.

This is not Microsoft’s, but it is just like the old OE.

Glenn



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 11:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015 (mial or mail)


Having followed this thread, I note that Microsoft stopped supporting Live mail in January 2016, it seems that, if the program was already installed on a Windows ten machine, it may still work, however, people may be dissapointed if they try installing it on Windows ten now and Windowsd updates may stop it in the future, who knows?.

We have to accept that Live mail is now outdated, I still use a ribbon version on a Windows seven computer, but it is getting slower as time goes by. For Windows ten I use the Mail app sometimes, but Thunderbird works fine, although I don’t reallyu like it,mainly because it means learning new stuff, but, once you get used to it, it’s tolerable. You can set it up to do all you want with different accounts etc.


Best Regards, Jim.


From: Gene

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 2:48 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015 (mial or mail)


The installer for Windows Live Mail is the Windows Essential installer. If you run it and tab around, you will see check boxes to chec to install various Windows essentials programs. I believe Windows Live Mail is checked by default. I believe no other programs are.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Howard Traxler

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 8:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015 (mial or mail)


Good morning,


It seems that you are speaking of windows live mail--even though you say live mial. either ribbon or non-ribbon; But when I download it, it perports to be windows essentials. This is confusing to me. I have a windows 10 machine with both windows live mail and windows mail and they are both very difficult for me. Whenever I install outlook express, windows just blows it away. Don't know what to do?


Howard

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:44 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015


Here is more information:

I just looked at a ribbon version of Windows Live Mail I have on another machine. In the about dialog, the version number is what looks like a year of release. The build number looks like what would ordinarily be a version number. If I look in the properties of the installer itself, what is given as the build number but it's listed as the installer version. So, while there may be something newer, I ddoubt there is anything much newer.


According to Wikipedia, this is the last release:

2012 (v16.4.3528.0331)


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:34 AM

To: Gene ; nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015


I just downloaded the file and checked. If you open properties of the file, the installer, and look in the versions part of the properties dialog, the following version number is given:

16.4.3528.331


What number are you citing and where do you find it? Windows Live Mail has a version number and a build number. I don't know if there is anything newer than the version I uploaded. I don't remember where I got that version now. But that should be a ribbon version and, whether it is the newest one, I believe it is one of the last versions released.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:24 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015


Is it the ribbon or the menu version? As far as I know, that is the link to the ribbon version. I don't know if anyone has anything newer.


If no one sends anything, you can chedck on other lists.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2018 7:03 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015


Hello,

I download the version from your link and it says it is windows live essentials 2012 version when I install it.

Is there anything newer?

Thanks

Rich



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015


Here is a link to the 15.x version:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ofa66y48zgxnet/wnewlsetup-all.exe?dl=1

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 7:01 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015


I just checked on my Windows 7 machine, which is running a ribbon version. It is one of the build 2015 series and that build is a ribbon version. There are different versions in a build. If you want the 2015 version I have a link for, I can send the link. But let's be sure if you want a menu or ribbon version, as I said.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io

Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 6:56 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] windows live mial 2015


Wondering if anyone has a copy of windows live mail 2015.

I was just told by Microsoft that is was in existence but no longer supported and therefor not available for download from them.

Thyanks so much.

Rich




Re: Teraterm sluggish

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Dave!

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 1:53 AM, David Mehler <dave.mehler@...> wrote:
Hi,

I'm also noticing that special characters are not properly done. I did
an echo $TERM and found out I was using Xterm from teraterm while the
host was expecting vt100. The fix, went in to settings on teraterm,
then to TCP/ip and under terminal type it was set to xterm, changed
that to vt100, saved settings, and restarted teraterm and got that
issue resolved.

Hth
Dave.


On 3/29/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> That sounds promising, thank you!
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 4:52 PM, David Mehler <dave.mehler@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I just checked out teraterm after I wrote my last message.
>>
>> I might have found something, go to setup with alt s, then go down to
>> font. Whatever my default one was it wasn't screen reader friendly, I
>> set it to courier new, style regular, size 10 point.
>>
>> Try that.
>>
>> Thanks/Hth.
>> Dave.
>>
>>
>> On 3/29/18, David Mehler <dave.mehler@...> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I use teraterm, mostly with jaws, though also with NVDA, in both cases
>> > it doesn't read as text comes in, I have not seen the sluggishness,
>> > what teraterm version are you running? What kind of host are you
>> > connecting to and over what protocol?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> > Dave.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/28/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> >> Thanks Jason and Rob, this is good information to start with.
>> >>
>> >> If I can get to the bottom of why Teraterm is being sluggish, that
>> >> might
>> >> help any other users (or if there are any other users of Teraterm here
>> >> who
>> >> can help, please jump on in), and we'll see how we go.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards
>> >>
>> >> Quentin.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:
>> >>> > I can't directly answer the question, but I can say that the ssh
>> >>> > clients
>> >>> > available from the Windows version of Git, or the Windows Subsystem
>> >>> > for
>> >>> Linux,
>> >>> > could be viable alternatives.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> WSL works fairly well, since it's just a standard CLI prompt. Another
>> >>> alternative is cygwin, but if all you need is SSH, that's probably
>> >>> overkill, since Windows Subsystem for Linux is built in.
>> >>>
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>> >> Quentin Christensen
>> >> Training and Support Manager
>> >>
>> >> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>> >> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
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>> >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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>> >>
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> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
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>
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Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Blindspot may need to close because of Spotify's changing API.

 

That is a shame, another inaccessible music service the blind can't use.

Is spotify accessible it seems to be included now on the new install of win10 I have on the workstation.

On 3/04/2018 1:46 a.m., Robert Kingett wrote:
Per [Spotify's new API requirements,](http://developer.spotify.com/) meaning, they are killing off one in favor of the other, in this case, web... means that accessible apps like BlindSpot may not work anymore. It is a huge shame, but not at all shocking. The Git link is below to the thread.

Before anybody asks, because I know many will, and not bother looking it up, blindspot is an accessible, windowless, alternative application to Spotify that works using the keyboard only, and is only on Windows. The issue thread is below.

https://github.com/craigbrett17/blindspot/issues/38


.


Re: A weird problem with NVDA and Windows 10

 

Thanks for the help!
I'll try it.
       
Em 02/04/2018 19:03, Ervin, Glenn escreveu:

If there is no problem without NVDA, then NVDA is the problem.

So I would reinstall NVDA.

But you might do that after a checkdisk anyway.

To check a disk, go to computer on the desktop, or whatever it’s called in windows 10, (This PC I think).

Move to your main drive and press alt + enter.

Control + tab to tools.

Tab down to drive check.

Make sure both items are checked and space bar on start or okay.

It will only check the drive after you restart, and it will take longer than usual to restart, because it will be checking the drive.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A weird problem with NVDA and Windows 10

 

Yes, I tried it without NVDA and that's ok. No problem using my computer.

About CHKDSK, how I can proceed to use it?

Em 02/04/2018 18:50, Ervin, Glenn escreveu:

Have you tried it without NVDA running?
It sounds more like an operating system problem, and not NVDA.
I would recommend unloading NVDA and load Narrator and see if it still happens.
If it only happens with NVDA, you could reinstall it.
If it does not happen with Narrator, I would try a chkdsk in tools of the drive properties.
HTH.
Glenn
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 4:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A weird problem with NVDA and Windows 10
 
Hi guys,
My NVDA is having a strange and very annoying problem.
It happens that when I stay too much time far from my computer, when I come back my screen is totally frozen and there's nothing I can do about. Mouse and keyboard aparently don't receive my commands, my computer just stays there, out of any action.
The only thing I can do, obviously, is to manually restart it and then all seems to back to normality.
How I can resolve this problem? I'll really appreciate if there's a solution for my cyber nightmare haha
 
Cheers
Marcio
 
 
 
 
 
 

 



Re: A weird problem with NVDA and Windows 10

Ervin, Glenn
 

If there is no problem without NVDA, then NVDA is the problem.

So I would reinstall NVDA.

But you might do that after a checkdisk anyway.

To check a disk, go to computer on the desktop, or whatever it’s called in windows 10, (This PC I think).

Move to your main drive and press alt + enter.

Control + tab to tools.

Tab down to drive check.

Make sure both items are checked and space bar on start or okay.

It will only check the drive after you restart, and it will take longer than usual to restart, because it will be checking the drive.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A weird problem with NVDA and Windows 10

 

Yes, I tried it without NVDA and that's ok. No problem using my computer.

About CHKDSK, how I can proceed to use it?

Em 02/04/2018 18:50, Ervin, Glenn escreveu:

Have you tried it without NVDA running?
It sounds more like an operating system problem, and not NVDA.
I would recommend unloading NVDA and load Narrator and see if it still happens.
If it only happens with NVDA, you could reinstall it.
If it does not happen with Narrator, I would try a chkdsk in tools of the drive properties.
HTH.
Glenn
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 4:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A weird problem with NVDA and Windows 10
 
Hi guys,
My NVDA is having a strange and very annoying problem.
It happens that when I stay too much time far from my computer, when I come back my screen is totally frozen and there's nothing I can do about. Mouse and keyboard aparently don't receive my commands, my computer just stays there, out of any action.
The only thing I can do, obviously, is to manually restart it and then all seems to back to normality.
How I can resolve this problem? I'll really appreciate if there's a solution for my cyber nightmare haha
 
Cheers
Marcio
 
 
 
 
 
 

 


Re: A weird problem with NVDA and Windows 10

 

Yes, I tried it without NVDA and that's ok. No problem using my computer.
About CHKDSK, how I can proceed to use it?

Em 02/04/2018 18:50, Ervin, Glenn escreveu:

Have you tried it without NVDA running?
It sounds more like an operating system problem, and not NVDA.
I would recommend unloading NVDA and load Narrator and see if it still happens.
If it only happens with NVDA, you could reinstall it.
If it does not happen with Narrator, I would try a chkdsk in tools of the drive properties.
HTH.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 4:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A weird problem with NVDA and Windows 10

Hi guys,
My NVDA is having a strange and very annoying problem.
It happens that when I stay too much time far from my computer, when I come back my screen is totally frozen and there's nothing I can do about. Mouse and keyboard aparently don't receive my commands, my computer just stays there, out of any action.
The only thing I can do, obviously, is to manually restart it and then all seems to back to normality.
How I can resolve this problem? I'll really appreciate if there's a solution for my cyber nightmare haha

Cheers
Marcio








Re: A weird problem with NVDA and Windows 10

Ervin, Glenn
 

Have you tried it without NVDA running?
It sounds more like an operating system problem, and not NVDA.
I would recommend unloading NVDA and load Narrator and see if it still happens.
If it only happens with NVDA, you could reinstall it.
If it does not happen with Narrator, I would try a chkdsk in tools of the drive properties.
HTH.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 4:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A weird problem with NVDA and Windows 10

Hi guys,
My NVDA is having a strange and very annoying problem.
It happens that when I stay too much time far from my computer, when I come back my screen is totally frozen and there's nothing I can do about. Mouse and keyboard aparently don't receive my commands, my computer just stays there, out of any action.
The only thing I can do, obviously, is to manually restart it and then all seems to back to normality.
How I can resolve this problem? I'll really appreciate if there's a solution for my cyber nightmare haha

Cheers
Marcio


A weird problem with NVDA and Windows 10

 

Hi guys,
My NVDA is having a strange and very annoying problem.
It happens that when I stay too much time far from my computer, when I come back my screen is totally frozen and there's nothing I can do about. Mouse and keyboard aparently don't receive my commands, my computer just stays there, out of any action.
The only thing I can do, obviously, is to manually restart it and then all seems to back to normality.
How I can resolve this problem? I'll really appreciate if there's a solution for my cyber nightmare haha

Cheers
Marcio


NVDA 2018.1 freezes when editing an Excel worksheet

Suzy
 

hello,

 

My name is Suzy, and this is my first post. Since updating to 2018.1, NVDA has not worked well with Excel 2016. It runs smoothly for a while. Then it FREEZES. The trigger seems to be editing text in a cell. (Note: The freeze may happen right away or after several minutes of work.)

The scenario is as follows:

Open an existing workbook. (It can be large or small, and it can be an xlsx file or a csv file.)

Begin navigating through a sheet and editing cells. The text can be  changed by overwriting the text in the cell, using F2, or deleting the existing text before entering new information.)

Press Enter, Tab or Down Arrow to leav the newly edited cell; NVDA will not speak the text. Furthermore, NVDA refuses to speak at all for some time.

Standard Windows commands will continue to work as expected, so the workbook can be saved and closed. (Note: Sometimes Excel will not close completely.)

If the PC is left alone for a few moments, NVDA recovers on its own. Frequently, I've resorted to restarting the computer.

This problem is quite annoying. I have multiple workbooks, and I am teaching myself how to use the sumproduct formula. I cannot trust NVDA in its current state.

Below are some additional notes.

My PC is a Lenovo Yoga with an I5 processor and 8 gigs of ram.

Windows 10 and Office 365 are up-to-date.

Sometimes I have a Baum VU20 attached via USB. This is especially true, when I am working with formulas In Excel. The freeze also occurs, if braille entry is being used.

NVDA 2018.1 was initially installed using the standard update process. After discovering the issue, I uninstalled NVDA and reinstalled it.

I have also tried to work around the freeze by switching from sapi5 voices to One Core voices. I don’t know if this was worth the trouble, since I’m using David either way. I didn’t know about One Core voices until late last week.

I have an edited log, but it is quite lengthy. I left all the initializing NVDA information, and all of the information concerning Excel, since there appears to be numerous errors prior to the freeze.

I am not new to NVDA, but I am new to this list. I need some instruction as to what to do now.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Suzy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA log from previous execution

 

Well, this happens from time to time and has for the past few versions.  Since it is I will include the log snippit in this posting.  This happens most often when I press the windows key while in Thunderbird but I have seen it in other apps as well.

 

The log is attached.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 3/30/2018 11:35 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Usually restarting NVDA should sort this out. If this happens again, please do send the log fragment to the forum so we can find out what went wrong (although I have an idea as to what, but just want to make sure).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA log from previous execution

 

Ok, I figured out how to find the logs.

 

It looks like it is happening because of a UIA error. 

 

Should I turn off anything to stop this?  Not sure how to approach this one.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 3/30/2018 9:34 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Hi,

 

I am having a problem and thought I'd see if I could get a log of it.  The problem is that often if I am in Thunderbird or another app and I press the windows key NVDA seems to crash.  I have to restart it.

 

I can see how to get to the  current execution log but not the log from the execution when the crash happened.  How do I find this?

 

thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

 

 


Re: windows live mial 2015 (mial or mail)

Gene
 

The program does work in Windows 10.  People have been installing it on Windows 10 as a new installation. 
 
If support stops for a version of a program that runs in a certain version of Windows,, it will run in that version.  Also, a large number of programs run in Windows 10 that rran in earlier versions of Windows and that haven't been supported for a long time. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015 (mial or mail)

Having followed this thread, I note that Microsoft stopped supporting Live mail in January 2016, it seems that, if the program was already installed on a Windows ten machine, it may still work, however, people may be dissapointed if they try installing it on Windows ten now and Windowsd updates may stop it in the future, who knows?.
We have to accept that Live mail is now outdated, I still use a ribbon version on a Windows seven computer, but it is getting slower as time goes by. For Windows ten I use the Mail app sometimes, but Thunderbird works fine, although I don’t reallyu like it,mainly because it means learning new stuff, but, once you get used to it, it’s tolerable. You can set it up to do all you want with different accounts etc.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015 (mial or mail)
 
The installer for Windows Live Mail is the Windows Essential installer.  If you run it and tab around, you will see check boxes to chec to install various Windows essentials programs.  I believe Windows Live Mail is checked by default.  I believe no other programs are.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015 (mial or mail)
 
Good morning,
 
It seems that you are speaking of windows live mail--even though you say live mial.  either ribbon or non-ribbon; But when I download it, it perports to be windows essentials.  This is confusing to me.  I have a windows 10 machine with both windows live mail and windows mail and they are both very difficult for me.  Whenever I install outlook express, windows just blows it away.  Don't know what to do?
 
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015
 
Here is more information:
I just looked at a ribbon version of Windows Live Mail I have on another machine.  In the about dialog, the version number is what looks like a year of release.  The build number looks like what would ordinarily be a version number.  If I look in the properties of the installer itself, what is given as the build number but it's listed as the installer version.  So, while there may be something newer, I ddoubt there is anything much newer. 
 
According to Wikipedia, this is the last release:
2012 (v16.4.3528.0331)
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015

I just downloaded the file and checked.  If you open properties of the file, the installer, and look in the versions part of the properties dialog, the following version number is given:
16.4.3528.331
 
What number are you citing and where do you find it?  Windows Live Mail has a version number and a build number.  I don't know if there is anything newer than the version I uploaded.  I don't remember where I got that version now.  But that should be a ribbon version and, whether it is the newest one, I believe it is one of the last versions released.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015
 
Is it the ribbon or the menu version?  As far as I know, that is the link to the ribbon version.  I don't know if anyone has anything newer. 
 
If no one sends anything, you can chedck on other lists.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2018 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015

Hello,

I download the version from your link and it says it is windows live essentials 2012 version when I install it.

Is there anything newer?

Thanks

Rich

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015

 

Here is a link to the 15.x version:

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 7:01 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015

 

I just checked on my Windows 7 machine, which is running a ribbon version.  It is one of the build 2015 series and that build is a ribbon version.  There are different versions in a build.  If you want the 2015 version I have a link for, I can send the link.  But let's be sure if you want a menu or ribbon version, as I said.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 6:56 PM

Subject: [nvda] windows live mial 2015

 

Wondering if anyone has a copy of windows live mail 2015.

I was just told by Microsoft that is was in existence but no longer supported and therefor not available for download from them.

Thyanks so much.

Rich

 


Does NVDA support edit controls TRichView and TRichViewEdit

Jim Bretti <jim@...>
 

We have an application written in Delphi that uses TRichViewEdit controls, and NVDA does not seem to recognize the control.  If I load text into the control and place my cursor at the top, NVDA speaks the text 'blank' as I arrow down the page.

I'm trying to understand if NVDA does not recognize the control or if is a problem in the TRichView component.

Thanks

Jim Bretti
NextUp.com


Re: windows live mial 2015 (mial or mail)

Ervin, Glenn
 

There is a usable version, but it seems to me that the later versions weren’t like the older versions, and I did not like it.

One of the cool things about Eudora is how it kept attachments in a folder outside of the eMail program.

 

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 2:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: Howard K Traxler
Subject: [nvda] windows live mial 2015 (mial or mail)

 

Does anyone use Eudora anymore?  I learned it back in 97 when I first started teaching at the deaf-blind center.  I installed it on my win7 machine and it worked for a while.  Maybe I'll try it on my win10 machine.  However, I get scared that big brother will blow it away like he did my outlook express.  Anything he doesn't like, ya know.

 

Howrd

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 11:31 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015 (mial or mail)

 

I installed OE 6 on my Win 7 and a friend’s Win 10, and it seems to be doing fine.

This is not Microsoft’s, but it is just like the old OE.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 11:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015 (mial or mail)

 

Having followed this thread, I note that Microsoft stopped supporting Live mail in January 2016, it seems that, if the program was already installed on a Windows ten machine, it may still work, however, people may be dissapointed if they try installing it on Windows ten now and Windowsd updates may stop it in the future, who knows?.

We have to accept that Live mail is now outdated, I still use a ribbon version on a Windows seven computer, but it is getting slower as time goes by. For Windows ten I use the Mail app sometimes, but Thunderbird works fine, although I don’t reallyu like it,mainly because it means learning new stuff, but, once you get used to it, it’s tolerable. You can set it up to do all you want with different accounts etc.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 2:48 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015 (mial or mail)

 

The installer for Windows Live Mail is the Windows Essential installer.  If you run it and tab around, you will see check boxes to chec to install various Windows essentials programs.  I believe Windows Live Mail is checked by default.  I believe no other programs are.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 8:38 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015 (mial or mail)

 

Good morning,

 

It seems that you are speaking of windows live mail--even though you say live mial.  either ribbon or non-ribbon; But when I download it, it perports to be windows essentials.  This is confusing to me.  I have a windows 10 machine with both windows live mail and windows mail and they are both very difficult for me.  Whenever I install outlook express, windows just blows it away.  Don't know what to do?

 

Howard

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:44 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015

 

Here is more information:

I just looked at a ribbon version of Windows Live Mail I have on another machine.  In the about dialog, the version number is what looks like a year of release.  The build number looks like what would ordinarily be a version number.  If I look in the properties of the installer itself, what is given as the build number but it's listed as the installer version.  So, while there may be something newer, I ddoubt there is anything much newer. 

 

According to Wikipedia, this is the last release:

2012 (v16.4.3528.0331)

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:34 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015

 

I just downloaded the file and checked.  If you open properties of the file, the installer, and look in the versions part of the properties dialog, the following version number is given:

16.4.3528.331

 

What number are you citing and where do you find it?  Windows Live Mail has a version number and a build number.  I don't know if there is anything newer than the version I uploaded.  I don't remember where I got that version now.  But that should be a ribbon version and, whether it is the newest one, I believe it is one of the last versions released.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:24 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015

 

Is it the ribbon or the menu version?  As far as I know, that is the link to the ribbon version.  I don't know if anyone has anything newer. 

 

If no one sends anything, you can chedck on other lists.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2018 7:03 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015

 

Hello,

I download the version from your link and it says it is windows live essentials 2012 version when I install it.

Is there anything newer?

Thanks

Rich

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015

 

Here is a link to the 15.x version:

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 7:01 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows live mial 2015

 

I just checked on my Windows 7 machine, which is running a ribbon version.  It is one of the build 2015 series and that build is a ribbon version.  There are different versions in a build.  If you want the 2015 version I have a link for, I can send the link.  But let's be sure if you want a menu or ribbon version, as I said.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 6:56 PM

Subject: [nvda] windows live mial 2015

 

Wondering if anyone has a copy of windows live mail 2015.

I was just told by Microsoft that is was in existence but no longer supported and therefor not available for download from them.

Thyanks so much.

Rich