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What version of windows do councils use

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I was asking our local council in case I had to go in to sort something out, and it seems they are not interested in 10, due to its major disruptive updating. Instead the machines that run windows directly use 8.1x and most of the offices use virtual desktops and edit using google resources rather than Microsoft Office, though they do have a licence.

Not sure what they mean by virtual in this context t as this enquiry was about access for the blind to voting info for an upcoming election.


Interesting. Nobody knows whether any screenreader is in use, but I know their libraries used to have Supernova on them.
I doubt under the current cost restraints that anyone still has that however.
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Re: Which free office package is more accessible libre office or open office with nvda?

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I think the answer seems to be no, since I use snapshots and neither package can read all successfully still.

Also at present no browse and focus mode in either of them. Of the two generally, I've had most luck with the portable version of Libra Office.
However I only ever use the word processor part.

Incidentally, if the with office are going on, the latest next snapshot has a built in tool to re register the dlls that get excommunicated. We thought this solved it until recently a new version of Skype broke more of the access dlls and stopped bits of excel working with screenreaders.


I'm glad I'm still on windows 7 and an older version of office :-)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 11:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] Which free office package is more accessible libre office or open office with nvda?


Hi guys


I have just been asked this question as mentioned in the subject line. I
do not use these packages at all They also want to know if the package
is uninstalled will it cause any problems like she got when she
uninstalled a copy of microsoft office or was it another word
processing program.

not sure which program it was.

it would say unknown in the running applications area, the context menu
and a few other places.

she does not want it to happen again if she decides to try either of
them out.

By the way have they fixed the problem where when you went to do say all
to read the document it would stop after each paragraph.


I know they are not as polished as office with browse mode etc but are
they still very usable.


I think she just wants it for the basics? by the way will it report
formatting so you maybe know the size of the text etc



any help would be great.


Gene nz







Re: Making NVDA go through different speakers

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Yes its a nightmare, for example if you want to output as a radio station would, but not have the screenreader suddenly use the music output device. Add to that I have some programs that stipulate they should not use the sound mapper as it won't work correctly.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making NVDA go through different speakers


The only way to switch this depending on what you want.

1. if its only music you want you may be able to adjust your player of choice to use another speaker like your bluetooth or usb soundbar just like any other device.

But if its not advanced or like winamp its a bit of hit and miss to get to some options without some vertual curser like jaws or dolphin supernova, the easiest way through is the following.

1. set windows to the sound bar.

2. switch nvda or jaws back to your other card.

A note of warning, I have found this out when users have used their sound cards and or speech recognition headsets as windows devices.

that is that your screen reader will stay on that device unless its the default and even if you use your default card and not the sound mapper you disconnect the card and you may or may not loose speech.

The only way short of getting sighted help is to plug in the device whatever it is since windows will only recognise that device not another, and then set the cards back.

Often I use my andriea card or my sb play 1 soundcard on win7 for music and some older games but sometimes I forget myself.




On 7/04/2018 12:24 p.m., Guy Schlosser wrote:
Hi all, just a question. Is there a way to make NVDA speech go through different speakers? I have a sound bar, and if possible, I would like my music to play through that, and NVDA or jaws sounds, depending on which screen reader I’m using, to play through my laptop speaker. Thanks in advance for any ideas.

Guy


.


Re: Which free office package is more accessible libre office or open office with nvda?

Arno Schuh
 

Hi,

afaIk. both packages are available as portable. So she doesn't need to install LO or OO to test them.
If the one or other satisfy her, she still could change to an installer.

Arno

Am Samstag, 7. April 2018 12:01 schrieb Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>:

Hi guys


I have just been asked this question as mentioned in the subject
line. I
do not use these packages at all They also want to know if the package
is uninstalled will it cause any problems like she got when she
uninstalled a copy of microsoft office or was it another word
processing program.

not sure which program it was.

it would say unknown in the running applications area, the context
menu
and a few other places.

she does not want it to happen again if she decides to try either of
them out.

By the way have they fixed the problem where when you went to do say
all
to read the document it would stop after each paragraph.


I know they are not as polished as office with browse mode etc but are
they still very usable.


I think she just wants it for the basics? by the way will it report
formatting so you maybe know the size of the text etc



any help would be great.


Gene nz






Which free office package is more accessible libre office or open office with nvda?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi guys


I have just been asked this question as mentioned in the subject line. I
do not use these packages at all They also want to know if the package
is uninstalled will it cause any problems like she got when she
uninstalled a copy of microsoft office  or was it another word
processing program.

not sure which program  it was.

it would say unknown in the running applications area, the context menu
and a few other places.

she does not want it to happen again if she decides to try either of
them out.

By the way have they fixed the problem where when you went to do say all
to read the document it would stop after each paragraph.


I know they are not as polished as office with browse mode etc but are
they still very usable.


I think she just wants it for the basics? by the way will it report
formatting so you maybe know the size of the text etc



any help would be great.


Gene nz


Re: Making NVDA go through different speakers

 

The only way to switch this depending on what you want.

1.  if its only music you want you may be able to adjust your player of choice to use another speaker like your bluetooth or usb soundbar just like any other device.

But if its not advanced or like winamp its a bit of hit and miss to get to some options without some vertual curser like jaws or dolphin supernova, the easiest way through is the following.

1.  set windows to the sound bar.

2.  switch nvda or jaws back to your other card.

A note of warning, I have found this out when users have used their sound cards and or speech recognition headsets as windows devices.

that is that your screen reader will stay on that device unless its the default and even if you use your default card and not the sound mapper you  disconnect the card and you may or may not loose speech.

The only way short of getting sighted help is to plug in the device whatever it is since windows will only recognise that device not another, and then set the cards back.

Often I use my andriea card or my sb play 1 soundcard on win7 for music and some older games but sometimes I forget myself.

On 7/04/2018 12:24 p.m., Guy Schlosser wrote:
Hi all, just a question. Is there a way to make NVDA speech go through different speakers? I have a sound bar, and if possible, I would like my music to play through that, and NVDA or jaws sounds, depending on which screen reader I’m using, to play through my laptop speaker. Thanks in advance for any ideas.

Guy


.


Re: NVDA still say unknown

 

No it doesn't, windows does seem to leave you even with skype classic in an unknown window, sometimes on action centre it gets stuck somewhere, once you exit windows d takes you to the desktop, you can alt f4 sometimes to close the unknown window, maybe you did something to fast sometimes the system loses speech and thunderbird crashes because I quit to fast but then there is no indication that its checking messages until its downloading them sadly.

On 7/04/2018 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
In my experience, exiting programs often doesn't take you to the desktop. Others may wish to comment. it's possible that, for somereason, a window is present that isn't visible to the screen-reader. This window may be the result of a program running in the background. Have you installed any programs or updated anything around the time the problem started? Unless you think you have malware or have some other problem, this may well be just a change caused by something, a new program, some sort of update, something that means nothing other than that maybe a window is being displayed that makes you not return to the desktop as often as you expect.

You may be hearing unknown because a window, not recognized by NVDA is getting focus. You may get the answer most easily by having a sighted person see what's on screen when you close a program.

While this may indicate a problem such as malware, it may indicate nothing except a change in something that affects screen-readers but doesn't affect anything from a sighted users' perspective.

Others may have other comments and suggestions.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown


I'm talking about exiting programs. I know how to get to the desktop with alt f-4 or windows D but in the past when I've exited programs, I was taken back to the desktop.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown


What are you referring to? You said alt f4 to get to the desktop. Alt f4 closes programs. It doesn't take you to the desktop. It often leaves you nowhere. You have to use the usual Windows key d and Windows key m to move to the desktop. What exactly is the problem? You said you hear unknown. What do you do after that and what happens?


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:29 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown


Hi, Gene,


I'm trying narrator right now. I'll see what happens when I hit alt f-4 to get to the desktop.


Rosemarie




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown


Yesterday, your message appeared to indicate that you can carry out the action by issuing the command twice, as in issuing alt f4 twice. Is that correct?


Have you determined if this is an NVDA problem? Have you tried the same commands in the same contexts using Narrator or JAWS? Is there a need to issue them twice? Also, have you tried an earlier version of NVDA that used to work correctly? What happens?


Just having to issue a command twice is a very easy work around. If that's all that is necessary, this may be one of those small problems where there is a very easy work around and the time and effort involved to try to solve them isn't worth expending. Not every problem needs to be solved.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown


Hi, Gene,


I tried waiting for 10 seconds and nothing happened. I don't know what else to try.


Rosemarie




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown


Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken that means nothing? When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen?


NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever is supposed to happen happens. Have you tested to see what happens? When you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen happens. Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program close command twice. What we don't know is if the second time is doing anything. If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find that what you expect to happen happens. Part of being a good blind computer user is to know what matters and what doesn't. So far, we don't know if this matters or is just irrelevant speech.


There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown


Hi, everyone,


I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.


Thanks in advance.


Rosemarie






Re: Making NVDA go through different speakers

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I think a lot of it though will depend on the sound interfaces in use. Sometimes changing the output device sticks, and sometimes it does not. I suspect this is driver design and windows differences. Brian

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Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making NVDA go through different speakers


Go to to NVDA/Preferences/Synth.

Rui Fontes


Às 01:24 de 07/04/2018, Guy Schlosser escreveu:
Hi all, just a question. Is there a way to make NVDA speech go through different speakers? I have a sound bar, and if possible, I would like my music to play through that, and NVDA or jaws sounds, depending on which screen reader I’m using, to play through my laptop speaker. Thanks in advance for any ideas.

Guy




Re: NVDA still say unknown

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Hmm mine does not say unknown, but can be unfocussed.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Gomes" <finnygomes@q.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown


No mine doesn't take me to the desk top and never did I use windows 7. AltF4
like you sayis the keyboard short cut to close a program. My NVDA says
unkown but keeps going it is no problem.







When you come to a fork in the road, it's time to eat







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 14:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown



In my experience, exiting programs often doesn't take you to the desktop.
Others may wish to comment. it's possible that, for somereason, a window is
present that isn't visible to the screen-reader. This window may be the
result of a program running in the background. Have you installed any
programs or updated anything around the time the problem started? Unless
you think you have malware or have some other problem, this may well be just
a change caused by something, a new program, some sort of update, something
that means nothing other than that maybe a window is being displayed that
makes you not return to the desktop as often as you expect.



You may be hearing unknown because a window, not recognized by NVDA is
getting focus. You may get the answer most easily by having a sighted
person see what's on screen when you close a program.



While this may indicate a problem such as malware, it may indicate nothing
except a change in something that affects screen-readers but doesn't affect
anything from a sighted users' perspective.



Others may have other comments and suggestions.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:39 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown



I'm talking about exiting programs. I know how to get to the desktop with
alt f-4 or windows D but in the past when I've exited programs, I was taken
back to the desktop.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown



What are you referring to? You said alt f4 to get to the desktop. Alt f4
closes programs. It doesn't take you to the desktop. It often leaves you
nowhere. You have to use the usual Windows key d and Windows key m to move
to the desktop. What exactly is the problem? You said you hear unknown.
What do you do after that and what happens?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:29 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown



Hi, Gene,



I'm trying narrator right now. I'll see what happens when I hit alt f-4 to
get to the desktop.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown



Yesterday, your message appeared to indicate that you can carry out the
action by issuing the command twice, as in issuing alt f4 twice. Is that
correct?



Have you determined if this is an NVDA problem? Have you tried the same
commands in the same contexts using Narrator or JAWS? Is there a need to
issue them twice? Also, have you tried an earlier version of NVDA that used
to work correctly? What happens?



Just having to issue a command twice is a very easy work around. If that's
all that is necessary, this may be one of those small problems where there
is a very easy work around and the time and effort involved to try to solve
them isn't worth expending. Not every problem needs to be solved.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown



Hi, Gene,



I tried waiting for 10 seconds and nothing happened. I don't know what else
to try.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown



Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken
that means nothing? When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a
number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen?



NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever
is supposed to happen happens. Have you tested to see what happens? When
you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen
happens. Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program
close command twice. What we don't know is if the second time is doing
anything. If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find
that what you expect to happen happens. Part of being a good blind computer
user is to know what matters and what doesn't. So far, we don't know if
this matters or is just irrelevant speech.



There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown



Hi, everyone,



I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't
know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.



Thanks in advance.



Rosemarie










Re: NVDA still say unknown

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This is a random thing. Very unusual that I get to the desktop it might go to the tray, or maybe a program which is running underneath or nowhere, but it seldom says unknown in the process I find so the guess I have is in my last message. One should never expect the windows software being run to be able to return you to a focussed desktop there are just too many things that can happen, however the word unknown is seldom one of them in my experience.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown


I'm talking about exiting programs. I know how to get to the desktop with
alt f-4 or windows D but in the past when I've exited programs, I was taken
back to the desktop.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown



What are you referring to? You said alt f4 to get to the desktop. Alt f4
closes programs. It doesn't take you to the desktop. It often leaves you
nowhere. You have to use the usual Windows key d and Windows key m to move
to the desktop. What exactly is the problem? You said you hear unknown.
What do you do after that and what happens?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:29 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown



Hi, Gene,



I'm trying narrator right now. I'll see what happens when I hit alt f-4 to
get to the desktop.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown



Yesterday, your message appeared to indicate that you can carry out the
action by issuing the command twice, as in issuing alt f4 twice. Is that
correct?



Have you determined if this is an NVDA problem? Have you tried the same
commands in the same contexts using Narrator or JAWS? Is there a need to
issue them twice? Also, have you tried an earlier version of NVDA that used
to work correctly? What happens?



Just having to issue a command twice is a very easy work around. If that's
all that is necessary, this may be one of those small problems where there
is a very easy work around and the time and effort involved to try to solve
them isn't worth expending. Not every problem needs to be solved.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown



Hi, Gene,



I tried waiting for 10 seconds and nothing happened. I don't know what else
to try.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown



Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken
that means nothing? When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a
number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen?



NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever
is supposed to happen happens. Have you tested to see what happens? When
you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen
happens. Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program
close command twice. What we don't know is if the second time is doing
anything. If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find
that what you expect to happen happens. Part of being a good blind computer
user is to know what matters and what doesn't. So far, we don't know if
this matters or is just irrelevant speech.



There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown



Hi, everyone,



I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't
know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.



Thanks in advance.



Rosemarie










Re: NVDA still say unknown

Sam Taylor
 

You could also try pressing control, NVDA F1 to hear the name of the currently active application which may give us a  clue.


On 7/04/2018 17:15, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Did you try the  nvda/F1 and  looking at the log as I suggested, with it in debug first of course. It might give somebody a clue as to what this is about.
Always when one person sees a problem and others do not this is the only way to attempt to explain it.
You could of course try running the latest next snapshot as a portable version and using the tool in tools that reregisters dll files in case some obscure one has become de registered, but to my mind it looks like the screen has no focus or there is  a very strange window open from another application.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 7:05 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown


Hi, everyone,



I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't
know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.



Thanks in advance.



Rosemarie













Re: NVDA still say unknown

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Did you try the nvda/F1 and looking at the log as I suggested, with it in debug first of course. It might give somebody a clue as to what this is about.
Always when one person sees a problem and others do not this is the only way to attempt to explain it.
You could of course try running the latest next snapshot as a portable version and using the tool in tools that reregisters dll files in case some obscure one has become de registered, but to my mind it looks like the screen has no focus or there is a very strange window open from another application.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 7:05 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown


Hi, everyone,



I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't
know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.



Thanks in advance.



Rosemarie








Re: announcing end of lines in Scite editor

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I ran that portable version and am not hearing what you are hearing here on windows 7.
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Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] announcing end of lines in Scite editor


Would it be possible to use review cursor's Say Character and see what the UNICODE is that is being spoken as "blank" and then add it to a dictionary as a different expression? I haven't played with NVDA enough to know. Or perhaps even just the regular expression .$ could be used in a dictionary?



On 4/6/18, 11:41 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hmm what I see is nothing is spoken when you hit return, and if you leave a
line empty it just says blank, much like many editors. This tool behaves a
bit like the editor used by Dolphins scripting system as I recall.


Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jiří Fenz" <jirifenz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] announcing end of lines in Scite editor


>I think that it's only about gui element behaviour.
>
> Announcing empty instead of New line is the same regardless on lf, cr
or
> crlf end of line.
>
> So i think that solving this is about advanced configuration of Scite
to
> change how the eol symbol is viewed or forcing autoit to recognize
that
> actual symbol as standart new line.
>
> Here is link for portable version of Scite i'm using, if someone want
to
> try it directly.
>
>
https://www.autoitscript.com/cgi-bin/getfile.pl?../autoit3/scite/download/SciTE4AutoIt3_Portable.zip
>
> Jiri Fenz
>
>
>
> Dne 06.04.2018 v 10:56 Shaun Everiss napsal(a):
>> Well it depends I guess you have to look in the editer options it
>> would have to do with how the symbon is rendered for nvda to read.
>>
>> Simplest way would be if there was a dictenary for that program if
you
>> can have a spaciffic definition for a particular program I am not
sure
>> if thats possible, but you could define the word empty to end of
line
>> or do it for the global deffinition and when anything is empty it
will
>> be end of line instead.
>>
>> Thats not going to really work that well.
>>
>> We need to find what that symbol actually is that is generated.
>>
>> Is it generating the standard carrage return or linefead, cr/lf
symbol
>> for example.
>>
>> crlf symbols usually at least when I did communications and things
>> back in dos usually mean, new line, line end, end of line or simply
an
>> empty space depending on the os, unix/linux, windows or dos.
>>
>> In these days, windows/dos has almost the same charset with windows
>> having more of them and linux has a few more.
>>
>> However depending what this thing was developed for, ie unix that
>> could explain the issue you are having, things are translated that
>> symbol may not be translated as such so there may be that issue to
>> worry about.
>>
>> Ofcause if you can get a document with just that symbon in it and
send
>> it at whoever handles the symbol database then it should be ok.
>>
>> What happens if you create a document with a few new lines or line
>> breaks in them and view it in another text editor.
>>
>> Ie notepad, if the symbol is still empty, then its a symbol issue
but
>> if the symbol is read correctly, it could simbly be what the editor
is
>> outputting to be translated in which case not much we can do.
>>
>> If the symbol from scyte you get in notepad back is just utter crap
>> then it could be an untranslated symbol probably from unix or
something.
>>
>> The next thing to do is send it back here and get someone to find
out
>> what that symbol comes from, latx for example has different symbols
to
>> text and other programs may have different symbols based on age to a
>> point, etc.
>>
>> So if you find that out then the symbol can be added and your issue
is
>> solved.
>>
>> What I fear is that its just what the program outputs at nvda in
which
>> case nothing can be done really.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/04/2018 8:45 p.m., Jiří Fenz wrote:
>>> Helllo all,
>>>
>>> i'm using Scite for coding in Autoit.
>>>
>>> Accessibility of thys program is almost total, but when moving with
>>> right or left arrow betveen lines, nvda says Empty instead of New
line.
>>>
>>> Is here some option to set classic End of line character in scite
to
>>> make it announce new line the same way as for example in notepad?
>>>
>>> With best regards
>>>
>>> Jiri Fenz
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>









Re: nvda 2018.1 and soulseek ns?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Orhan,


I am not having this issue s such.  From Windows 7 on up, I always had to make sure that when in a list using Soulseek, I had to be sure to be in object navigation mode and then to use the right mouse button click when in a list of transfers and in a list of search results, I use the context menu key.  Just why this is, I do not know but it works this way for years.

On 4/6/2018 5:02 PM, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io wrote:
On windows 10, using soulseek ns 157, when moving the focus to the current navigator object, in a users list of folders, slsk focuses on the wrong folder. i have no other issues with ns and really don't want to upgrade to qt. Anyone else experienced this and is it an nvda or windows 10 issue? works fine on win 7.

Best, O.


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Re: Making NVDA go through different speakers

Rui Fontes
 

Go to to NVDA/Preferences/Synth.

Rui Fontes


Às 01:24 de 07/04/2018, Guy Schlosser escreveu:

Hi all, just a question. Is there a way to make NVDA speech go through different speakers? I have a sound bar, and if possible, I would like my music to play through that, and NVDA or jaws sounds, depending on which screen reader I’m using, to play through my laptop speaker. Thanks in advance for any ideas.
Guy


Making NVDA go through different speakers

Guy Schlosser
 

Hi all, just a question. Is there a way to make NVDA speech go through different speakers? I have a sound bar, and if possible, I would like my music to play through that, and NVDA or jaws sounds, depending on which screen reader I’m using, to play through my laptop speaker. Thanks in advance for any ideas.

Guy


Re: Brailliant display with NVDA

Sam Taylor
 

Indeed it will.


On 6/04/2018 22:50, Karl Smith wrote:

Can someone confirm that the Brailliant Braille display will work with NVDA. Thanks.

 

Karl

 

 

 

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Re: nvda 2018.1 and soulseek ns?

Orhan Deniz <orhan.deniz63@...>
 

I have temporarily switched to qt. it's a bit better than it was two years ago. anyone got any tips?

On 06/04/2018 22:07, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io wrote:
I have just done some research and someone on the jaws users mailing list is having a similar issue. So that rules out nvda being funky. I will try running in compatibility mode now. really don't want to give this program up, good for finding rare stuff.
On 06/04/2018 22:02, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io wrote:
On windows 10, using soulseek ns 157, when moving the focus to the current navigator object, in a users list of folders, slsk focuses on the wrong folder. i have no other issues with ns and really don't want to upgrade to qt. Anyone else experienced this and is it an nvda or windows 10 issue? works fine on win 7.

Best, O.




Re: NVDA still say unknown

Steve Gomes <finnygomes@...>
 

No mine doesn’t take me to the desk top and never did I use windows 7. AltF4 like you sayis the keyboard short cut to close a program. My NVDA says unkown but keeps going it is no problem.

 

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 14:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

In my experience, exiting programs often doesn't take you to the desktop.  Others may wish to comment.  it's possible that, for somereason, a window is present that isn't visible to the screen-reader.  This window may be the result of a program running in the background.  Have you installed any programs or updated anything around the time the problem started?  Unless you think you have malware or have some other problem, this may well be just a change caused by something, a new program, some sort of update, something that means nothing other than that maybe a window is being displayed that makes you not return to the desktop as often as you expect. 

 

You may be hearing unknown because a window, not recognized by NVDA is getting focus.  You may get the answer most easily by having a sighted person see what's on screen when you close a program. 

 

While this may indicate a problem such as malware, it may indicate nothing except a change in something that affects screen-readers but doesn't affect anything from a sighted users' perspective. 

 

Others may have other comments and suggestions. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

I'm talking about exiting programs. I know how to get to the desktop with alt f-4 or windows D but in the past when I've exited programs, I was taken back to the desktop.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

What are you referring to?  You said alt f4 to get to the desktop.  Alt f4 closes programs.  It doesn't take you to the desktop.  It often leaves you nowhere.  You have to use the usual Windows key d and Windows key m to move to the desktop.  What exactly is the problem?  You said you hear unknown.  What do you do after that and what happens?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I'm trying narrator right now. I'll see what happens when I hit alt f-4 to get to the desktop.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Yesterday, your message appeared to indicate that you can carry out the action by issuing the command twice, as in issuing alt f4 twice.  Is that correct? 

 

Have you determined if this is an NVDA problem?  Have you tried the same commands in the same contexts using Narrator or JAWS?  Is there a need to issue them twice?  Also, have you tried an earlier version of NVDA that used to work correctly?  What happens? 

 

Just having to issue a command twice is a very easy work around.  If that's all that is necessary, this may be one of those small problems where there is a very easy work around and the time and effort involved to try to solve them isn't worth expending.  Not every problem needs to be solved.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I tried waiting for 10 seconds and nothing happened. I don't know what else to try.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken that means nothing?  When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen? 

 

NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Have you tested to see what happens?  When you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program close command twice.  What we don't know is if the second time is doing anything.  If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find that what you expect to happen happens.  Part of being a good blind computer user is to know what matters and what doesn't.  So far, we don't know if this matters or is just irrelevant speech.

 

There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 


Re: NVDA still say unknown

Chris
 

 

Actually when exiting a program nvda does say “unknown”

 

I didn’t really notice it before until you mentioned it,

 

But now it probably will bother me, thanks 😃