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Re: NVDA not reading in OpenOffice Writer

 

hi.
may i ask that which version of openoffice?
because openoffice since version 4.1, supports iaccessible2 and you
can easily navigate in your documents.

On 4/11/18, Vernon Webb via Groups.Io
<vernonwebb51=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I am helping a new user of NVDA. It speaks application names etc, and it
echoed letters as I type in OpenOffice Writer, but it doesn’t speak letters,
words or lines as I move around a small doc using cursor keys, up/down keys
or Ctrl with cursor keys. Any tips where to look? Thanks, Vernon




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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


can the user manual be downloaded to IOS?

Dave Clement <dclement@...>
 

Hello,

I am a blind user with an iphone running IOS 11.3 and the VoiceOver screen reader. I would like to download a copy of the NVDA user manual to my iphone where I can then read (i.e. listen to) it using the VoiceDream Reader app. I find this a good way to read the user guide when I do not have my laptop with me. I also often access it on my iphone while I am using NVDA on my laptop.

Is it possible to download the current user guide to accomplish this?

And yes, I do know that the user guide is part of NVDA itself and thus available on my laptop.

Thanks,

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


Re: latest next version

Michel Such
 

It causes several other problems:

- Windows titles are not announced when swithing thru them with alt+tab.

NVDA does not seem to be aware when you open a folder.

Le 11/04/2018 à 17:42, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi,
This is caused by a commit that supposedly fixes how NVDA announces clock icon on the notification area. The issue at hand is:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5751
I have notified NV Access and the person who wrote this fix (not me) as this is a critical bug.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] latest next version

I installed the latest next version of NVDA on my Win 10 laptop. 
Rebooted the computer to make sure things were set.  Then I went to the control panel and NVDA would not read any of the entries in the control panel.








Re: latest next version

 

Hi,
This is caused by a commit that supposedly fixes how NVDA announces clock icon on the notification area. The issue at hand is:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5751
I have notified NV Access and the person who wrote this fix (not me) as this is a critical bug.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] latest next version

I installed the latest next version of NVDA on my Win 10 laptop.
Rebooted the computer to make sure things were set. Then I went to the control panel and NVDA would not read any of the entries in the control panel.


latest next version

Don H
 

I installed the latest next version of NVDA on my Win 10 laptop. Rebooted the computer to make sure things were set. Then I went to the control panel and NVDA would not read any of the entries in the control panel.


Re: New settings property sheet system in Next, impossible to work!

Ângelo Abrantes
 

After my last message, I tryed to work with the new next, using windows7 pro, but it's impossible! I can't change between folders! Here are my .log errors:


Speaking [u'Angelo']
ERROR - core.CorePump.Notify (15:49:04.130):
errors in this core pump cycle
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "core.pyc", line 443, in Notify
  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 880, in pumpAll
  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 668, in processFocusWinEvent
  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 684, in processFocusNVDAEvent
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 643, in _get_shouldAllowIAccessibleFocusEvent
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1564, in _get_parent
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\window\__init__.pyc", line 263, in _get_parent
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 87, in __call__
  File "appModules\explorer.pyc", line 236, in chooseNVDAObjectOverlayClasses
NameError: global name 'windowClassName' is not defined
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (15:49:07.430):


Thanks.
Ângelo Abrantes
Às 15:41 de 11-04-2018, Ângelo Miguel Abrantes escreveu:
It's a very good idea!

Thanks.

Ângelo Abrantes


Às 14:13 de 11-04-2018, Luis Carlos Gonzáles Moráles escreveu:
It's so nice and entertaining to me. No going to separate settings, this
looks like Window Eyes in terms of structure.

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It would be nice to find out what people think of the new system for
settings in nvda now in the next branch.I think its very nice though
whether it has any drawbacks is early days to know.
Brian

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NVDA not reading in OpenOffice Writer

Vernon Webb <vernonwebb51@...>
 

I am helping a new user of NVDA. It speaks application names etc, and it echoed letters as I type in OpenOffice Writer, but it doesn’t speak letters, words or lines as I move around a small doc using cursor keys, up/down keys or Ctrl with cursor keys. Any tips where to look? Thanks, Vernon


Re: New settings property sheet system in Next

Ângelo Abrantes
 

It's a very good idea!

Thanks.

Ângelo Abrantes


Às 14:13 de 11-04-2018, Luis Carlos Gonzáles Moráles escreveu:
It's so nice and entertaining to me. No going to separate settings, this
looks like Window Eyes in terms of structure.

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It would be nice to find out what people think of the new system for
settings in nvda now in the next branch.I think its very nice though
whether it has any drawbacks is early days to know.
Brian

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Re: Does NVDA support edit controls TRichView and TRichViewEdit

Jim Bretti <jim@...>
 

Thanks Anthony, I'll give that a try.

Jim

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:58 PM, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
For a question such as this I think you're better off asking on the developers'
list nvda-devel@....net

On Wednesday 11 April 2018 at 03:24:28, Jim Bretti wrote:

> Sorry to post again, but I'm looking for help with this to make our dephi
> application accessible from NVDA.

Antony.

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Re: New settings property sheet system in Next

Luis Carlos González Moráles
 

It's so nice and entertaining to me. No going to separate settings, this
looks like Window Eyes in terms of structure.

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It would be nice to find out what people think of the new system for
settings in nvda now in the next branch.I think its very nice though
whether it has any drawbacks is early days to know.
Brian

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New settings property sheet system in Next

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

It would be nice to find out what people think of the new system for settings in nvda now in the next branch.I think its very nice though whether it has any drawbacks is early days to know.
Brian

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Suggestion for nvda

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Now the portable and installed versions are getting dedicated downloaders that substantially work the same way, it would be nice to have a choice in both, to start the new version. At present this is only there in portable versions.
This delay seems to stop the issue of nvda restarting and falling over, at least on my machine. You just wait a few seconds and then OK and it always works, whereas installed version just jumping straight in can sometimes generate an invisible error and only esc and a restart of nvda can fix it. Minor but irritating.
Brian

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Re: slightly off topic from nvda does anyone know how to use android phones

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Probably best to stop this thread soon, there are several nvda ones with no replies unless my feed is playing up, We do not want to put folk off.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] slightly off topic from nvda does anyone know how to use android phones


Hello,


May I post your message to


eyes-free@... ?


It's a very high-traffic mailing list, therefore, i fyou don't feel like subscribing, I can't blame you.


I'll forward our message and then, fi I get any replies, I'll forward them to you off-list, if that suits you.


Please, contact me at


mallard@...


to let me know if I should proceed.

Ciao, hth,

Ollie





Il 10/04/2018 16:51, ADRIAN POCOCK ha scritto:
I have an issue with android phone os 7 magnification gestures are enabled but when i invoke magnification it keeps popping up message to tell me it is going to be used.
you can click box to ignore in future but this doesnt seem to make much difference.

My email is ampbeast@... <mailto:ampbeast@...> if anyone has any info on suchh a problem.

Best Regards to all here.
Adrian Pocock


Re: windowsupdate spring 2018

Felix G.
 

Hi!
There are perfectly valid reasons for rollouts as they happen right now, with the same update being delivered to different users at different times, sometimes over the course of two weeks or even more. We're talking billions of machines here.
Best,
Felix

Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> schrieb am Mi., 11. Apr. 2018 um 07:12 Uhr:

I'll be careful and patiently wait for the update.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:41 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

 

Microsoft usually makes major updates available to different parts of the world at different times.  If it made it available through automatic downloads simultaneously everywhere, its survers couldn't deliver that amount of data.  Also, considering that whenever there is a major update to Windows 10, from one full version to the next, there are numerous problems experienced by enough blind people to amount to something, be careful what you wish for. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 4:08 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

 

I didn't get the update either and it's a little past 2 in the afternoon here.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

Well today I woke up expecting a big update.

But except for adobe flash all updates including ms office seem to be on hold.

An article suggests though that windows 1803 update has come and gone without any release.

No one has any idea, current opinions range from windows team restructure to the fact spring update 1803 doesn't exist and there is a new name being sort to a serious bug in the system.

The net seems to be super quiet to.

I just updated the workstation well 2 of them since I have a remote box here for the big update and nothing.

As to reguards to your system it depends what you have.

For the hp remote here, no drivers have been released today.

No system updates, nothing bar the standard run of the mill security protections you'd expect for a patch tuesday.

Then again, who knows.

If nothing happens by 11-12 pm my time I think we can safely take today off the list.

I don't think anything is coming today.




On 11/04/2018 1:43 a.m., Sue J. Ward wrote:
> Hello. I heard the demo on accessibleworld.org about the creators
> update which should be out this month. I did get the windows 10
> machine which I am on as of right now in January so far it is working
> great. When I do get the update should I do anything extra to prepare
> my machine for the update and make a back up of my emails and
> bookmarks just in case? When it is installing will I have any speech
> during the update so I can hear the progress? What should I use during
> the update so I can tell what is going on? I did read somewhere it
> might take a half hour for the update to install and when it is done
> installing will the computer restart so that I can hear NVDA come on?
> Just wondering what I should  do since I don't want to be with out a
> computer. If anyone has any answers as to what I should do and what to
> expect for the spring creators update please post them cause who knows
> maybe some one else is wondering the same thing. Thank you.
> ____________________________________________________________
> Doctor Warns: Stop Eating This Vegetable Immediately Gundry MD
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5accbf9a3da413f991502st03duc
>
>
>
> .
>







Re: Facebook unhappiness

 

I'm having the same problem. It sounds like a problem in the Facebook page itself.
Really sad, I often used to use this emoticons
Em 10/04/2018 11:31, Ervin, Glenn escreveu:

Could it be that you made the dictionary for an editor program, and there is a separate dictionary for the Internet program you are using?

I know that Jaws uses program specific dictionaries, so perhaps NVDA does too.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Facebook unhappiness

 

Hi all,

I'm unhappy ... I'm having problems with my smiley faces! I'll use my FB post about it and include a bit of NVDA related info into it.

Giles Turnbull is feeling unhappy.
who am I unhappy with? Facebook, of course! I've noticed that when I type a smiley face with a colon and a right parenthesis, Facebook has started stripping that out of my post or comment. It'd be fine if it was doing some techno jiggery pokery and turning it into a propper emoji but,as far as I can tell, it isn't!
Sod's law says as I try to prove the point by doing it here it'll not vanish ... but normally I'll type a word followd by a space, followed by the colon and then the right parenthesis, and as I'm typing it NVDA tells me there is a colon and a right paren (or if I'm using say all it'll say "smiley face" since I've added that into the dictionary) ... but as soon as it posts NVDA reads the word and then a single space and that's it.

My sighted friends tell me that indeed there is a smiling face so FB IS converting it, but why does my NVDA not identify that there is a graphic or even one of those characters that are silent but you know they are there (like accented characters)?

Here's the transcript from the speech viewer reading the FB post:

Giles Turnbull is feeling unhappy.
who am I unhappy with? Facebook, of course! I've noticed that when I type a smiley face with a colon and a right parenthesis, Facebook has started stripping that out of my post or comment. It'd be fine if it was doing some techno jiggery pokery and turning it into a propper emoji but,as far as I can tell, it isn't!
Sod's law says as I try to prove the point by doing it here it'll not vanish ... but normally I'll have the space before where my colon would be, then a space where the colon should be and then the next word ...
Can anyone confirm whether there is a ascii smiley face, or a pictorial smiley face, as the last thing in this post?
55 mins

Thanks for any suggestions / observations :) ... I'm using NVDA 2018.1 on Win10 and Firefox 59.0.2 (64-bit)

Giles



Re: windowsupdate spring 2018

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'll be careful and patiently wait for the update.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

 

Microsoft usually makes major updates available to different parts of the world at different times.  If it made it available through automatic downloads simultaneously everywhere, its survers couldn't deliver that amount of data.  Also, considering that whenever there is a major update to Windows 10, from one full version to the next, there are numerous problems experienced by enough blind people to amount to something, be careful what you wish for. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 4:08 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

 

I didn't get the update either and it's a little past 2 in the afternoon here.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

Well today I woke up expecting a big update.

But except for adobe flash all updates including ms office seem to be on hold.

An article suggests though that windows 1803 update has come and gone without any release.

No one has any idea, current opinions range from windows team restructure to the fact spring update 1803 doesn't exist and there is a new name being sort to a serious bug in the system.

The net seems to be super quiet to.

I just updated the workstation well 2 of them since I have a remote box here for the big update and nothing.

As to reguards to your system it depends what you have.

For the hp remote here, no drivers have been released today.

No system updates, nothing bar the standard run of the mill security protections you'd expect for a patch tuesday.

Then again, who knows.

If nothing happens by 11-12 pm my time I think we can safely take today off the list.

I don't think anything is coming today.




On 11/04/2018 1:43 a.m., Sue J. Ward wrote:
> Hello. I heard the demo on accessibleworld.org about the creators
> update which should be out this month. I did get the windows 10
> machine which I am on as of right now in January so far it is working
> great. When I do get the update should I do anything extra to prepare
> my machine for the update and make a back up of my emails and
> bookmarks just in case? When it is installing will I have any speech
> during the update so I can hear the progress? What should I use during
> the update so I can tell what is going on? I did read somewhere it
> might take a half hour for the update to install and when it is done
> installing will the computer restart so that I can hear NVDA come on?
> Just wondering what I should  do since I don't want to be with out a
> computer. If anyone has any answers as to what I should do and what to
> expect for the spring creators update please post them cause who knows
> maybe some one else is wondering the same thing. Thank you.
> ____________________________________________________________
> Doctor Warns: Stop Eating This Vegetable Immediately Gundry MD
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5accbf9a3da413f991502st03duc
>
>
>
> .
>







Re: Does NVDA support edit controls TRichView and TRichViewEdit

Antony Stone
 

For a question such as this I think you're better off asking on the developers'
list nvda-devel@...

On Wednesday 11 April 2018 at 03:24:28, Jim Bretti wrote:

Sorry to post again, but I'm looking for help with this to make our dephi
application accessible from NVDA.
Antony.

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software for us. Of course it might take a while.

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Re: Does NVDA support edit controls TRichView and TRichViewEdit

Jim Bretti <jim@...>
 

Sorry to post again, but I'm looking for help with this to make our dephi application accessible from NVDA.

There is a Delphi NVDAObjects file at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/blob/master/source/NVDAObjects/IAccessible/delphi.py that is attempting to make TRichView and TRichViewEdit accessible.  It looks like these entries are very old, but I'd like to know if the accessibility issues has to do with this NVDA file, or if I need to contact the TRichView author about the issue.

I'd appreciate any help very much.

Jim Bretti
NextUp.com


On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Jim Bretti <jim@...> wrote:
We have an application written in Delphi that uses TRichViewEdit controls, and NVDA does not seem to recognize the control.  If I load text into the control and place my cursor at the top, NVDA speaks the text 'blank' as I arrow down the page.

I'm trying to understand if NVDA does not recognize the control or if is a problem in the TRichView component.

Thanks

Jim Bretti
NextUp.com


Re: windowsupdate spring 2018

Rui Fontes
 

Yes, Windows 10 Spring Creators is version 1803.

Rui Fontes


Às 19:47 de 10/04/2018, Holger Fiallo escreveu:

So this mean that the new W19 is not install yet? Since I have 1709?
-----Original Message-----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018
I have received today a Windows 10 update, but still running version 1709...
Rui
Às 19:29 de 10/04/2018, Rosemarie Chavarria escreveu:
I don't know if I got my update yet. I'm patiently waiting for it though.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of bob
jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

It's here.
Just did an Update check on my Dell Optiplex rrunning Insider which found
and installed Spring Creaters Update.

On 4/10/2018 12:27 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
Thanks.  I'll check throughout the day.

On 4/10/2018 12:10 PM, matthew dyer wrote:
Rool out begins today.  I would guess sometime after 1 p.m eastern
time.  HTH.

Matthew



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Holger
Fiallo
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

When is the update coming out? Checked and nothing so far.

-----Original Message-----
From: bob jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

For those who haven't tried the latest Windows 1803 Insider, there's
a new app called Cortana Show Me which is extremely nice for anyone
new to Windows 10.  It's a step-by-step video guide using Cortana for
changing settings and works very well with NVDA.  As of yet, you
can't use your voice, however, after installing from the App store
and launching Cortana Show me, tab over to and choose Settings
category, tab over to a second list containing individual settings.
Once you hit Enter, Cortana will both give you step-by-step
instructions on changing a setting as well as walk you through it.
Rather cool.

On 4/10/2018 10:22 AM, bob jutzi wrote:
That shouldn't be necessary.  I'm running the latest Insider of 1803
with no problems.  it's build 17133.

On 4/10/2018 9:43 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I heard the demo on accessibleworld.org about the creators
update which should be out this month. I did get the windows 10
machine which I am on as of right now in January so far it is
working great. When I do get the update should I do anything extra
to prepare my machine for the update and make a back up of my
emails and bookmarks just in case? When it is installing will I
have any speech during the update so I can hear the progress? What
should I use during the update so I can tell what is going on? I
did read somewhere it might take a half hour for the update to
install and when it is done installing will the computer restart so
that I can hear NVDA come on? Just wondering what I should  do
since I don't want to be with out a computer. If anyone has any
answers as to what I should do and what to expect for the spring
creators update please post them cause who knows maybe some one
else is wondering the same thing. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________
Doctor Warns: Stop Eating This Vegetable Immediately Gundry MD
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5accbf9a3da413f991502st03d
uc



















Re: slightly off topic from nvda does anyone know how to use android phones

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

That isn't how it's ment to be. Unfortunately not many people use the q and a forum, but it would be nice.

Best,

Erik

On April 10, 2018 4:44:11 PM "Mallard" <mallard@...> wrote:

Hello,


N... Nobody will answer from InclusiveAndroid...

That's only a site where you find podcasts and app reviews.


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 10/04/2018 17:46, erik burggraaf ha scritto:

Hi,  I don't have an answer, but you can post your question on
www.inclusiveandroid.com <http://www.inclusiveandroid.com> and some
one may be able to help.  Make sure you include your device make and
model as well as android version.

Best,

Erik

On April 10, 2018 10:52:36 AM "ADRIAN POCOCK" <ampbeast@...> wrote:

I have an issue with android phone os 7 magnification gestures are
enabled but when i invoke magnification it keeps popping up message
to tell me it is going to be used.
you can click box to ignore in future but this doesnt seem to make
much difference.

My email is ampbeast@... <mailto:ampbeast@...> if
anyone has any info on suchh a problem.

Best Regards to all here.
Adrian Pocock