The latest Blind Bargains Podcast eluded to the idea that there will be
such an add on.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: Josh Kennedy
To: nvda@groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 7:37 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Canute multiline display


HI

It looks like the Canute will be sold sometime around September of this
year 2018. So my question is this… Will there be an NVDA addon to let me
well lets say I am in an excel or google sheets spreadsheet… Could I press
a key combination, and the addon would format and send the spreadsheet for
viewing on the Canute? Or if I’m on the desktop, just dump the current
screen to the Canute? Or if on a website, and if using a reader addon in
chrome or firefox or edge, send the website for viewing on the Canute? Or
if I am in a view of a graph or chart in a spreadsheet like excel, send
all info about, and regarding the chart, to the Canute for viewing? The
canute would be more of a display for reading, not for editing.

The website for the Canute is:

http://www.bristolbraille.co.uk/

Thanks


Josh

It is a Dell yes.
Interesting suggestion there, I’ll give it a go. How do I delete the driver? And also, why do you think this issue specific to NVDA?
I’m not that confident with Dell laptops at the moment, but they seem to be popping up in my life a lot more often.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 13:43, valiant8086 <valiant8086@...> wrote:

Hi.


Is this a dell? If so, I'll need to gloat for a bit. I have a serious hate on for the wave max audio stuff. If it is, a possible fix is to delete the audio driver and reboot. For a short while after you reboot, you'll have a stock windows driver that works fine with the only exception being that it doesn't support headsets with the microphone on the same 8th inch plug in a combo jack, it still records from internal even if you use a headset with a microphone on it. Note though a couple of things, if you end up with no sound, you need a way to recover. I suggest making sure NVDA remote is set to auto start and auto connect in the allow another pc to control this one mode, and if you have another computer handy, restart without doing anything else to ensure you're able to get in from the other computer. Alternatively if you have a USB sound device you could plug in, that'll work.


If this solution works, until the driver updates itself again, you can use the WinaeroTweaker application (free download) to block all driver updates. Dell is really good about making sure your drivers stay up to date so drastic measures are needed to stop it. I don't even know if this will work, when I had a dell for a few days I didn't know about this, so I tried another alternative that worked, denying system write privilages to the realtek folder in program files (and program files (x86) both, but for the system account only If you do it that way, be darn sure you don't accidentally do it to your own account or I won't be able to figure out how to get you to be able to see the folder again to fix it. Deny write and modify to it, for the system account and only that.


Alternatively, if this is recent, let's blame NVDA? Lol



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

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On 4/12/2018 1:03 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
Correct, my device doesn’t have this so unfortunately doesn’t apply.
Thanks though
Luke

On 12 Apr 2018, at 17:55, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...> wrote:

Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:

Have you tried to disable the audio enhancements, please read below.

Not every audio device has audio enhancements. So this isn't a surefire fix.

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It is a Dell yes.
Interesting suggestion there, I’ll give it a go. How do I delete the driver? And also, why do you think this issue specific to NVDA?
I’m not that confident with Dell laptops at the moment, but they seem to be popping up in my life a lot more often.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 13:43, valiant8086 <valiant8086@...> wrote:

Hi.


Is this a dell? If so, I'll need to gloat for a bit. I have a serious hate on for the wave max audio stuff. If it is, a possible fix is to delete the audio driver and reboot. For a short while after you reboot, you'll have a stock windows driver that works fine with the only exception being that it doesn't support headsets with the microphone on the same 8th inch plug in a combo jack, it still records from internal even if you use a headset with a microphone on it. Note though a couple of things, if you end up with no sound, you need a way to recover. I suggest making sure NVDA remote is set to auto start and auto connect in the allow another pc to control this one mode, and if you have another computer handy, restart without doing anything else to ensure you're able to get in from the other computer. Alternatively if you have a USB sound device you could plug in, that'll work.


If this solution works, until the driver updates itself again, you can use the WinaeroTweaker application (free download) to block all driver updates. Dell is really good about making sure your drivers stay up to date so drastic measures are needed to stop it. I don't even know if this will work, when I had a dell for a few days I didn't know about this, so I tried another alternative that worked, denying system write privilages to the realtek folder in program files (and program files (x86) both, but for the system account only If you do it that way, be darn sure you don't accidentally do it to your own account or I won't be able to figure out how to get you to be able to see the folder again to fix it. Deny write and modify to it, for the system account and only that.


Alternatively, if this is recent, let's blame NVDA? Lol



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

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On 4/12/2018 1:03 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
Correct, my device doesn’t have this so unfortunately doesn’t apply.
Thanks though
Luke

On 12 Apr 2018, at 17:55, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...> wrote:

Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:

Have you tried to disable the audio enhancements, please read below.

Not every audio device has audio enhancements. So this isn't a surefire fix.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Josh Kennedy

To: nvda@groups.io

Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 7:37 AM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Canute multiline display

HI

It looks like the Canute will be sold sometime around September of this year 2018. So my question is this… Will there be an NVDA addon to let me well lets say I am in an excel or google sheets spreadsheet… Could I press a key combination, and the addon would format and send the spreadsheet for viewing on the Canute? Or if I’m on the desktop, just dump the current screen to the Canute? Or if on a website, and if using a reader addon in chrome or firefox or edge, send the website for viewing on the Canute? Or if I am in a view of a graph or chart in a spreadsheet like excel, send all info about, and regarding the chart, to the Canute for viewing? The canute would be more of a display for reading, not for editing.

The website for the Canute is:

 

http://www.bristolbraille.co.uk/

 

Thanks

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

HI
It looks like the Canute will be sold sometime around September of this
year 2018. So my question is this… Will there be an NVDA addon to let me
well lets say I am in an excel or google sheets spreadsheet… Could I press
a key combination, and the addon would format and send the spreadsheet for
viewing on the Canute? Or if I’m on the desktop, just dump the current
screen to the Canute? Or if on a website, and if using a reader addon in
chrome or firefox or edge, send the website for viewing on the Canute? Or
if I am in a view of a graph or chart in a spreadsheet like excel, send
all info about, and regarding the chart, to the Canute for viewing? The
canute would be more of a display for reading, not for editing. The
website for the Canute is:

http://www.bristolbraille.co.uk/

Thanks

Josh

On 13 Apr 2018, at 19:36, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If they are just SAPI 5 voices, installed and running on the machine being used, NVDA portable will work with them just as it does with any SAPI voices that may have been placed on the machine by Windows.  Until either Windows 8 or 10, Narrator used a SAPI 5 voice for Narrator and NVDA, portable or not, worked with it as it does with any SAPI 5 voice.  

 

If the voice isn't on the computer being used, it must be installed on that computer.  It is completely separate from NVDA.

 

Gene

From: James AUSTIN

Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 1:16 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using an alternative synth with a portal copy of NVDA

Hi John

Thanks very much I think my friend uses the SAPI 5 voices. I suspected 
that they wouldwork, but would she havae to copy them i.e. there exec 
files on to the thumb drive or would NVDA's preferences take care of 
initialisation?

Thanks

James


On 13/04/2018 19:09, John Isige wrote:
> Yes. Any synths that are addons, e.g. SVOX Pico, can be copied into your
> portable version with any other addons. Addons you have to license, like
> Vocalizer, can be licensed, e.g. if you do a copy on a portable USB key.
> I don't know how something like SAPI 5 Eloquence would work with
> licensing, it might not since it would need to be installed, but if you
> installed it to a USB drive, maybe it would, although I don't know if a
> Windows system you plugged the drive into would search the drive for a
> SAPI synthesizer rather than its own installed files. The Windows 10
> OneCore voices will work on any Windows 10 system, same with any SAPI 5
> voices installed on Windows, depending on the version. So yes, you can
> use other synthesizers in a portable copy of NVDA.
>
>
> On 4/13/2018 10:39, James AUSTIN wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Is it possible to use a alternative speech synth  to espeak with a
>> portable copy of NVDA please?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 
>

HI

It looks like the Canute will be sold sometime around September of this year 2018. So my question is this… Will there be an NVDA addon to let me well lets say I am in an excel or google sheets spreadsheet… Could I press a key combination, and the addon would format and send the spreadsheet for viewing on the Canute? Or if I’m on the desktop, just dump the current screen to the Canute? Or if on a website, and if using a reader addon in chrome or firefox or edge, send the website for viewing on the Canute? Or if I am in a view of a graph or chart in a spreadsheet like excel, send all info about, and regarding the chart, to the Canute for viewing? The canute would be more of a display for reading, not for editing.

The website for the Canute is:

http://www.bristolbraille.co.uk/

Thanks

Josh

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Yes. Any synths that are addons, e.g. SVOX Pico, can be copied into your
portable version with any other addons. Addons you have to license, like
Vocalizer, can be licensed, e.g. if you do a copy on a portable USB key.
I don't know how something like SAPI 5 Eloquence would work with
licensing, it might not since it would need to be installed, but if you
installed it to a USB drive, maybe it would, although I don't know if a
Windows system you plugged the drive into would search the drive for a
SAPI synthesizer rather than its own installed files. The Windows 10
OneCore voices will work on any Windows 10 system, same with any SAPI 5
voices installed on Windows, depending on the version. So yes, you can
use other synthesizers in a portable copy of NVDA.


On 4/13/2018 10:39, James AUSTIN wrote:

Hi folks,

Is it possible to use a alternative speech synth  to espeak with a
portable copy of NVDA please?

Thanks

Best wishes

James

Hi folks,

Is it possible to use a alternative speech synth  to espeak with a
portable copy of NVDA please?

Thanks

Best wishes

James

Brltty is a generic Braille display driver which is available on many different
operating systems (Windows, OSX, Linux, BSD at least) and supports a very
large number of Braille displays.

It can be used with applications such as NVDA to provide support for displays
for which NVDA itself has no specific driver.

The results are not always as complete as you might get with a specific driver
between the application and the display (for example, some features of the
display may not be supported), but it's a good way to get basic functionality
for a device which otherwise can't be used at all.


Regards,


Antony.

On Friday 13 April 2018 at 14:33:31, Angela Delicata wrote:

Hi,

Mine is just a curiousity: when coosing a display braille I come across
this brltty and wonder what it is for....

I use Vario ultra as my display, but I want to learn more and so am
curious.

Thank you to those who want to clarify on that and sorry for my ignorance.
All the best.
Angela from Italy

Control+win+enter starts Narrator.

Hi, Gene NZ,

I think it was control enter in earlier versions of windows 10 if I'm not mistaken. 

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:22 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] creating A portable copy

Hi

Probably the easiest way so you get a idea is to use narrator first.

What operating system are you using?

I think in the earlier versions of windows it was the windows key + the enter key to start narrator

In later versions of Windows in 10 i think it was not sure which version 

it was the CTRL key + windows key + the enter key.

This would start up your copy of narrator. You would then navigate to 

where your drives were.

i would use the Windows key + E to bring up file explorer then go down 

to the USB stick then go into the folder of nvda then find the nvda.exe 

file then press the enter key. NVDA then would start up then i would use 

the alt/tab key to bring up narrator then close it with the alt + f4 key.

After that you would then use NVDA.

If there is a log on screen I have found no way around that. to start nvda.

The other way I have on my usb sticks is labeling the usb stick which 

would be labeled qqq then a folder made called nvda and the files went 

into that. I like that way 2.

The nvda audio tutorials page can be found at 

http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html

There are different ways of starting nvda from a usb stick there I think 

from Xp up to windows 10 which depending how you have it set is if you 

jump any extra hoops which might be the same for other operating systems.

You will see what i mean for say windows 10 on how you have it set to 

what hoops you might have to jump.

Gene nz

On 4/13/2018 11:40 AM, Casey wrote:

    Hi okay that is what i did is create A new folder.

And then made the portable copy so then how to you run the portable copy.

So now you first put in your removable drive make the folder called 

nvda on it.

Then close out of that and then go and make your portable copy but 

when you are making it.

You of course select the letter of your removable drive that you want 

it created on and then the folder you want it in.

So once that is done then how do you get that portable to run.

Either on your machine or another machine?

This is my first time really doing this and wanting to make sure I do 

it correctly.

On 4/12/2018 6:25 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi Casey

When ever i make a portable version of NVDA I always make a folder and

usually call it nvda. it will then put all your files into that folder.

make sure you do not have other folders or files starting with the

letter n as well.

You can have other folders on the USB stick but not with the letter N

and or you could put your files into those folders if it is other stuff.

Otherwise what could happen also is if it is the only thing  you are

putting the files onto it will splatter your files all over the USB 

stick.

It would be rather harder to start your copy of nvda then.

There are 58 files or so that nvda uses and if you had extra folders or

files you get the idea.

I do if you are interested have different ways of starting NVDA from a

USB stick on my website which can be found on my nvda audio tutorials

page on my website at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

The easiest way for new people is to start narrator then find the USB

stick with nvda on it if going to a new machine. I do not use narrator

as i am pretty use to starting NVDA from a USB stick on a different

computer.

Gene nz

On 4/13/2018 11:08 AM, Casey wrote:

Hi I have the drive that I would like to make my portable of NVDA on.

Now what I would like to know is should I create A folder for the

portable copy and then  make the portable copy?

And then once I do that how do I run the portable copy after it has

been made?

Or should I just make it to the root of the drive I want to use for

the portable copy?

I would like to know the best way to go about this.

Hi Casey


When ever i make a portable version of NVDA I always make a folder and
usually call it nvda. it will then put all your files into that folder.
make sure you do not have other folders or files starting with the
letter n as well.



You can have other folders on the USB stick but not with the letter N
and or you could put your files into those folders if it is other stuff.
Otherwise what could happen also is if it is the only thing  you are
putting the files onto it will splatter your files all over the USB stick.
It would be rather harder to start your copy of nvda then.
There are 58 files or so that nvda uses and if you had extra folders or
files you get the idea.

I do if you are interested have different ways of starting NVDA from a
USB stick on my website which can be found on my nvda audio tutorials
page on my website at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
The easiest way for new people is to start narrator then find the USB
stick with nvda on it if going to a new machine. I do not use narrator
as i am pretty use to starting NVDA from a USB stick on a different
computer.

Gene nz



On 4/13/2018 11:08 AM, Casey wrote:

Hi I have the drive that I would like to make my portable of NVDA on.

Now what I would like to know is should I create A folder for the
portable copy and then  make the portable copy?

And then once I do that how do I run the portable copy after it has
been made?

Or should I just make it to the root of the drive I want to use for
the portable copy?

I would like to know the best way to go about this.

Hi.

Yes I am an Elbraille user. There is an extended braille gestures add-on I believe on the official NVDA add-ons page that brings most of the missing functionality.


I'm confused about your JAWS issue with no spanish braille, because JAWS18 uses libluis, which I am surprised to hear doesn't have anything but computer braille in Spanish.


To be able to cycle between JAWS and NVDA, assign one of the elbraille buttons to launch NVDA. Otherwise, you won't be able to start NVDA with JAWS already running, as two screen readers are unable to do anything that makes sense with one braille display. You'll need close JAWS first then start NVDA using that elbraille button. If you need to go back to JAWS, close NVDA and use the Elbraille Rescue Menu (hold down e1, and use your volume keys to find JAWS Restart, then hit E4 to execute.


Have fun learning the new gestures for that NVDA add-on though, I tried and gave up, mostly because I prefer JAWS at this point anyway but, it's all very different and quite a headache for those already used to doing it the JAWS way.


I can't keep up with this list much. If you want to ensure a response from me about further discussion of the Elbraille, be sure to include my email address directly. If it's on topic, and you also sent it to the list, I'll come into the folder for this and find it and respond on list.


Hope this is useful.


Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

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On 4/12/2018 4:23 PM, Justin Harris wrote:

Hello,

I recently purchased an El Braille from Freedom Scientific, and over
all, I think it is an amazing product. Hardware specs aren't much to
speak on, but for what it does, not a bad product at all. However, there
is one major issue I have run in to. That is, the lack of Spanish
Braille entry support in JAWS. Called up VFO, only to be told that if I
wanted to use JAWS in another language, I would have to buy another
license from a distributor in Latin America. I informed them that no, I
was able to get Spanish JAWS to activate here in the U.S, (by keeping
format options set to English-US, and in almost every way, it works.
However, even in the Spanish version of JAWS, the only Braille entry
offered is computer Braille. While I am used to, and much prefer having
my OS in Spanish, and can read Spanish Braille, I have no idea how to
type certain things in eight dot, aka computer, Braille. And it seems
that VFO just didn't want to deal with it. Even contacted a distributor
in Argentina, only to be told that since I didn't buy the license from
them, that they could not offer support.

So, that got me thinking. I have used NVDA for years. the commands are
already more familiar to me. Granted, I had never used it with a Braille
display before, bbut I thought... this thing runs Windows. What can stop
me from putting NVDA on it and doing things that way? I detached the
focus 14 and took NVDA with the focus 14 for a quick test drive. Spanish
input and output work perfectly so far as I could tell..

So, here are a few things I have noticed.

1. There doesn't seem to be any support for simulating a press of a
function key from the Braille display.

2. It does not seem possible to do keystrokes which require several
modifiers at once, (alt + tab, alt + f4, ctrl + C, etc. Am I missing
something, or is my assesment correct? Does anyone else on this list
have an El Braille? I wonder if an NVDA addon could be produced to make
it play nicer with this particular device.

There are several reasons one might wish to do this. I already explained
my reasoning, but being that there are only 2 gb of ram on the device,
NVDA is a much lighter program, not so much of a resource hog. Also, a
lot of the NVDA commands seem to be much more intuitive. A W-chord (for
Windows makes lots more sense than right shift + dot 4. E-chord for
escape, makes a lot more sense than the Z-chord used by Jaws.

Thanks,

Justin

Hi,

Mine is just a curiousity: when coosing a display braille I come across
this brltty and wonder what it is for....

I use Vario ultra as my display, but I want to learn more and so am
curious.

Thank you to those who want to clarify on that and sorry for my ignorance.
All the best.
Angela from Italy