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Re: NVDA and WordFinder (and, perhaps, other similarly designed programs)

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Well I suppose one needs to look at the old nvda/f1 log and see what nvda thinks is going on, but I've seen this many times on software where lists and stuff seem not to get focus, though an nvda/be can hear the whole lot, and sometimes the screen nav mode can sort of find it. Its as if there is no event saying hey, I have some text to read here and it needs this or that role in nvda to reed it.

Superantispyware seems to have some issues like this at times.
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Subject: [nvda] NVDA and WordFinder (and, perhaps, other similarly designed programs)


Hello All,

I've had a long dry spell as far as NVDA goes but I'm back on the proverbial horse again. I am working with someone who is a natural language translator and uses a program called WordFinder for English to several other languages or vice versa word searches. The program appears to be somewhat odd in several ways as far as following any Windows coding conventions. For instance, you cannot use keyboard shortcuts to maximize or restore down for its window. The only way to maximize is to point and click on the maximize button on the window frame, which is not read by NVDA or JAWS, or to change the shortcut to run the program maximized. I am going to attempt to describe both the layout of the search screen and the specific behavior from NVDA in the hopes that someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong or not doing that I need to be doing.

The main search screen contains an edit box at the upper left that is actually a combo box that "collects" the searches you've been doing since the program was opened in case you need or want to revisit one without retyping or to get the specific dictionary search. Directly beneath that is a column of words that always displays the word you searched for, highlighted/focused on if it's found, with about 5 or 6 words in alphabetical order above it and about 15 words in the same order below. The intention is to allow you to arrow up or down if you search on a word that might have multiple definitions, and it displays the word multiple times if it does, or to see related short phrases that contain the word. On the left of that column, whatever word or phrase has focus has that word, a blank line, and then the translation into the foreign language presented. There are three "zones."

The edit box for the target word acts pretty much as I expect. You fill it in, hit enter, and the column below populates with focus on the word as described above. However, when you tab off of the edit box to that word column NVDA announces, "Pane." Once the Pane has focus if you up arrow or down arrow it will move up and down the word column, but announce nothing at all as focus changes. What, if anything, can I do to make NVDA announce the word/phrase you're throwing focus on in that pane as you traverse up and down the column?

In addition, we're having some difficulty with getting the third zone that shows the word that has focus in the column, followed by blank line, followed by its translation. The only way we've been able to do it is to use the program's "Copy Special" command which presents a dialog with this same material in a single text area that NVDA (and JAWS, too) will read. This is, however, extremely time consuming compared to being able to throw focus into that "third zone" where that information is already present on the screen.

The overall behavior in JAWS is quite similar, but because there is no equivalent of the Focus Highlight add-on I cannot be as certain of what JAWS considers where it has focus, and having that "compare and contrast" is at times very helpful in figuring out whether a given issue can be resolved or not.

Thanks in advance for any assistance or guidance you can offer.
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Re: Using an alternative synth with a portal copy of NVDA

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It will see the device driver, but may fail if the voice itself is not installed, depending on what license it has, ie is it allowed to be portably used. I know that is no answer, but I've encountered almost every scenario on this one.
Also of course, in Windows 10 nvda is a lot less useful as a portable than it is on windows 7, as in 10, some of the access to api etc, seems to need an installed copy.
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From: "James AUSTIN" <james.londonsw15@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using an alternative synth with a portal copy of NVDA


Hi John

Thanks very much I think my friend uses the SAPI 5 voices. I suspected that they wouldwork, but would she havae to copy them i.e. there exec files on to the thumb drive or would NVDA's preferences take care of initialisation?

Thanks

James


On 13/04/2018 19:09, John Isige wrote:
Yes. Any synths that are addons, e.g. SVOX Pico, can be copied into your
portable version with any other addons. Addons you have to license, like
Vocalizer, can be licensed, e.g. if you do a copy on a portable USB key.
I don't know how something like SAPI 5 Eloquence would work with
licensing, it might not since it would need to be installed, but if you
installed it to a USB drive, maybe it would, although I don't know if a
Windows system you plugged the drive into would search the drive for a
SAPI synthesizer rather than its own installed files. The Windows 10
OneCore voices will work on any Windows 10 system, same with any SAPI 5
voices installed on Windows, depending on the version. So yes, you can
use other synthesizers in a portable copy of NVDA.


On 4/13/2018 10:39, James AUSTIN wrote:
Hi folks,

Is it possible to use a alternative speech synth to espeak with a
portable copy of NVDA please?

Thanks

Best wishes

James






Re: Using an alternative synth with a portal copy of NVDA

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If its an add on and does not depend on resources of the computer, ie that some synth is an installed device.
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Subject: [nvda] Using an alternative synth with a portal copy of NVDA


Hi folks,

Is it possible to use a alternative speech synth to espeak with a portable copy of NVDA please?

Thanks

Best wishes

James



Re: NVDA and Canute multiline display

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It was quite slow when I last saw it. it reminded me of one of those mechanical train despatchboards one used to get at stations which made a clickety clacking noise as they moved around, slowly.
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From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Canute multiline display


This is indeed a fascinating device (9 lines of 40 cells, for a few hundred
pounds sterling, instead of many thousands for a one-line display), however if
you read the end of http://www.bristolbraille.co.uk/canute-faq.htm it says:

"Can I Use Canute as a Braille Display for my Computer/Smartphone/Tablet?

"Not yet. Screen reading software typically used to drive refreshable Braille
displays are designed to show one Braille line at a time. Plus, the Canute’s
refresh rate make it unsuitable for editing text. We are actively working with
OS developers to integrate Canute support and expect screen reader plug-ins
will become available to send a document or screen of text to the Canute."

So, don't expect it to be usable with NVDA any time soon.


Antony.

On Friday 13 April 2018 at 16:37:07, Josh Kennedy wrote:

HI
It looks like the Canute will be sold sometime around September of this
year 2018. So my question is this… Will there be an NVDA addon to let me
well lets say I am in an excel or google sheets spreadsheet… Could I press
a key combination, and the addon would format and send the spreadsheet for
viewing on the Canute? Or if I’m on the desktop, just dump the current
screen to the Canute? Or if on a website, and if using a reader addon in
chrome or firefox or edge, send the website for viewing on the Canute? Or
if I am in a view of a graph or chart in a spreadsheet like excel, send
all info about, and regarding the chart, to the Canute for viewing? The
canute would be more of a display for reading, not for editing. The
website for the Canute is:

http://www.bristolbraille.co.uk/

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Re: NVDA and Canute multiline display

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I'd have thought line length was a bit short and indeed you only get 9 lines. On chatting to somebody some time ago they also said it was also going to be adaptable to emboss, not sure how that would work.
I'm not going to brush up my Braille though, I might if I was working of course.
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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 3:37 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Canute multiline display


HI
It looks like the Canute will be sold sometime around September of this year 2018. So my question is this… Will there be an NVDA addon to let me well lets say I am in an excel or google sheets spreadsheet… Could I press a key combination, and the addon would format and send the spreadsheet for viewing on the Canute? Or if I’m on the desktop, just dump the current screen to the Canute? Or if on a website, and if using a reader addon in chrome or firefox or edge, send the website for viewing on the Canute? Or if I am in a view of a graph or chart in a spreadsheet like excel, send all info about, and regarding the chart, to the Canute for viewing? The canute would be more of a display for reading, not for editing.
The website for the Canute is:

http://www.bristolbraille.co.uk/

Thanks

Josh


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Re: NVDA Errors with MS Word 2003 spelling checker

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There are a lot of issues with word versions prior to 2007. I have also noted, you need to force normal mode in view or part of the file vanishes to nvda near page breaks
At the bottom of some files you get an error when you cursor down.
Sometimes word stops responding altogether after a save or print.
Note this is on windows 7, as I do not think they run on 10.
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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 8:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Errors with MS Word 2003 spelling checker



Paul.

Hi,
I noted an some errors each time the error field of MS Word 2003
spelling checker is focused.
This is the NVDA log:
INFO - __main__ (12:40:16.923):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (12:40:17.454):
Config dir: C:\Users\paulo\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (12:40:17.454):
Loading config: C:\Users\paulo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (12:40:17.657):
NVDA version 2018.1.1
INFO - core.main (12:40:17.657):
Using Windows version 10.0.16299 workstation
INFO - core.main (12:40:17.657):
Using Python version 2.7.14 (v2.7.14:84471935ed, Sep 16 2017, 20:19:30)
[MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (12:40:17.657):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (12:40:17.721):
Add-ons are disabled. Restart NVDA to enable them.
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (12:40:18.265):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (12:40:18.414):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (12:40:18.414):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (12:40:18.418):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (12:40:18.418):
Using liblouis version 3.3.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (12:40:18.421):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (12:40:18.500):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (12:40:18.509):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
INFO - core.main (12:40:21.039):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - baseObject.ScriptableObject.bindGestures (12:40:29.013):
Error binding script caret_changeSelection in
<NVDAObjects.IAccessible.winword.SpellCheckErrorField object at 0x043BFD50>
ERROR - baseObject.ScriptableObject.bindGestures (12:40:29.013):
Error binding script caret_changeSelection in
<NVDAObjects.IAccessible.winword.SpellCheckErrorField object at 0x043BFD50>
ERROR - baseObject.ScriptableObject.bindGestures (12:40:29.013):
Error binding script caret_changeSelection in
<NVDAObjects.IAccessible.winword.SpellCheckErrorField object at 0x043BFD50>
ERROR - baseObject.ScriptableObject.bindGestures (12:40:29.013):
Error binding script caret_moveByLine in
<NVDAObjects.IAccessible.winword.SpellCheckErrorField object at 0x043BFD50>
ERROR - baseObject.ScriptableObject.bindGestures (12:40:29.013):
Error binding script caret_moveByLine in
<NVDAObjects.IAccessible.winword.SpellCheckErrorField object at 0x043BFD50>
ERROR - baseObject.ScriptableObject.bindGestures (12:40:29.013):
Error binding script caret_changeSelection in
<NVDAObjects.IAccessible.winword.SpellCheckErrorField object at 0x043BFD50>


Best regards.
Paul.


Re: NVDA and Windows Audio Service (audiodg.exe)

 

<sigh>

I have the standard 2.82 drivers which are sadly broken with control panels but dts works well enough and doesn't suck on the hp.

Oh for the old days of my toshiba laptop and asus desktop, both use the generics.

Hmph, I kind a don't want to loose the multi combo jack thing.

Mind you if I ever needed to use an external mic, I do have usb ones.

No laptop bar msi that is actually sells units with 2 jacks.

Well I won't be buying a dell anyway my plan is asus or hp.

And the control panel is at least usable.

At least with the 2.82 drivers and older hp drivers, I have had no issue with dts in fact without it the speakers aound bad and wimpy.

Its true the audio for progress bars is seriously ducked but at least speech is not going in and out.

The issue with speech as supposed to actual sounds is its just to short for the effects engine to handle and not long enough for somethings.

I remember using something with effects and it sucking.

My gaming grade creative soundcard, is really bad for speech but the effects are good.

Its a pitty one could tell the system to ignore speech or do it properly.

I do wander what you could do if you could really add effects to speech.

I mean, if I could get the borg be my screen reader I'd do it.

On 14/04/2018 8:01 a.m., Brian Moore wrote:
Hi. I have seen this on a  few newer laptops where there was actually no option in the control panel for realtek or anywhere else to disable the enhancements.  It was a serious problem as with speech, it was over driving the audio and there was lots of distortion.  there didn't seem to be a way that any of us could find to disable it.


the "dell audio" app seems to be integrated with the realtek stuff with no separate entry for removing it.  You can uninstall the driver and get a standard realtek driver but you do loose combo jacks etc when you do that.


I was only using this laptop for a short term contract so lived with it for 5 weeks but this would have been grounds to return one if it were one I owned.




On 04/13/2018 3:50 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
it isn't specific to Dell. Try enabling DTS and IDT sound effects for toshiba satallite l50 series laptops. Thank god there is a disable enhancements checkbox for sound effects, and a disable option in the system tray icon of DTS.

Wait what, dell doesn't allow you to disable enhancements in the sound settings? That is retarded seriously. There should be a check box in the actual realtech control panel, which you will likely need sighted help to access.


On 4/13/2018 4:42 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
It is a Dell yes.
Interesting suggestion there, I’ll give it a go. How do I delete the driver? And also, why do you think this issue specific to NVDA?
I’m not that confident with Dell laptops at the moment, but they seem to be popping up in my life a lot more often.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 13:43, valiant8086 <valiant8086@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi.


Is this a dell? If so, I'll need to gloat for a bit. I have a serious hate on for the wave max audio stuff.  If it is, a possible fix is to delete the audio driver and reboot. For a short while after you reboot, you'll have a stock windows driver that works fine with the only exception being that it doesn't support headsets with the microphone on the same 8th inch plug in a combo jack, it still records from internal even if you use a headset with a microphone on it. Note though  a couple of things, if you end up with no sound, you need a way to recover. I suggest making sure NVDA remote is set to auto start and auto connect in the allow another pc to control this one mode, and if you have another computer handy, restart without doing anything else to ensure you're able to get in from the other computer. Alternatively if you have a USB sound device you could plug in, that'll work.


If this solution works, until the driver updates itself again, you can use the WinaeroTweaker application (free download) to block all driver updates. Dell is really good about  making sure your drivers stay up to date so drastic measures are needed to stop it. I don't even know if this will work, when I had a dell for a few days I didn't know about this, so I tried another alternative that worked, denying system write privilages to the realtek folder in program files (and program files (x86) both, but for the system account only If you do it that way, be darn sure you don't accidentally do it to your own account or I won't be able to figure out how to get you to be able to see the folder again to fix it. Deny write and modify to it, for the system account and only that.


Alternatively, if this is recent, let's blame NVDA? Lol



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

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On 4/12/2018 1:03 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
Correct, my device doesn’t have this so unfortunately doesn’t apply.
Thanks though
Luke

On 12 Apr 2018, at 17:55, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@gmx.com> wrote:

Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:
Have you tried to disable the audio enhancements, please read below.
Not every audio device has audio enhancements. So this isn't a surefire fix.


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NVDA and WordFinder (and, perhaps, other similarly designed programs)

 

Hello All,

         I've had a long dry spell as far as NVDA goes but I'm back on the proverbial horse again.  I am working with someone who is a natural language translator and uses a program called WordFinder for English to several other languages or vice versa word searches.  The program appears to be somewhat odd in several ways as far as following any Windows coding conventions.  For instance, you cannot use keyboard shortcuts to maximize or restore down for its window.  The only way to maximize is to point and click on the maximize button on the window frame, which is not read by NVDA or JAWS, or to change the shortcut to run the program maximized.  I am going to attempt to describe both the layout of the search screen and the specific behavior from NVDA in the hopes that someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong or not doing that I need to be doing.

          The main search screen contains an edit box at the upper left that is actually a combo box that "collects" the searches you've been doing since the program was opened in case you need or want to revisit one without retyping or to get the specific dictionary search.  Directly beneath that is a column of words that always displays the word you searched for, highlighted/focused on if it's found, with about 5 or 6 words in alphabetical order above it and about 15 words in the same order below.  The intention is to allow you to arrow up or down if you search on a word that might have multiple definitions, and it displays the word multiple times if it does, or to see related short phrases that contain the word.  On the left of that column, whatever word or phrase has focus has that word, a blank line, and then the translation into the foreign language presented.  There are three "zones."

          The edit box for the target word acts pretty much as I expect.  You fill it in, hit enter, and the column below populates with focus on the word as described above.  However, when you tab off of the edit box to that word column NVDA announces, "Pane."  Once the Pane has focus if you up arrow or down arrow it will move up and down the word column, but announce nothing at all as focus changes.  What, if anything, can I do to make NVDA announce the word/phrase you're throwing focus on in that pane as you traverse up and down the column?

          In addition, we're having some difficulty with getting the third zone that shows the word that has focus in the column, followed by blank line, followed by its translation.  The only way we've been able to do it is to use the program's "Copy Special" command which presents a dialog with this same material in a single text area that NVDA (and JAWS, too) will read.  This is, however, extremely time consuming compared to being able to throw focus into that "third zone" where that information is already present on the screen.

          The overall behavior in JAWS is quite similar, but because there is no equivalent of the Focus Highlight add-on I cannot be as certain of what JAWS considers where it has focus, and having that "compare and contrast" is at times very helpful in figuring out whether a given issue can be resolved or not.

          Thanks in advance for any assistance or guidance you can offer.
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Re: Brltty: what is it for?

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

I actually tried to put an old Alva Satellite 84 Braille display through BRLTTY, and it didn’t work. Mind you, I got that thing from VR back in 2004.

 

Ben

 

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 6:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brltty: what is it for?

 

Brltty is a generic Braille display driver which is available on many different

operating systems (Windows, OSX, Linux, BSD at least) and supports a very

large number of Braille displays.

 

It can be used with applications such as NVDA to provide support for displays

for which NVDA itself has no specific driver.

 

The results are not always as complete as you might get with a specific driver

between the application and the display (for example, some features of the

display may not be supported), but it's a good way to get basic functionality

for a device which otherwise can't be used at all.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Antony.

 

On Friday 13 April 2018 at 14:33:31, Angela Delicata wrote:

 

> Hi,

>

> Mine is just a curiousity: when coosing a display braille I come across

> this brltty and wonder what it is for....

>

> I use Vario ultra as my display, but I want to learn more and so am

> curious.

>

> Thank you to those who want to clarify on that and sorry for my ignorance.

> All the best.

> Angela from Italy

 

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Re: NVDA and Windows Audio Service (audiodg.exe)

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

You should be able to go into control panel.

From there, see if you have dell audio control panel listed.

I had to fiddle with object nav but from there, I went into the speakers tab and set the enhancement preset to off.

On 13-Apr-2018 5:17 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
Hi Tyler
How do you access the Dell audio Control Panel? I know through all my searching I haven’t found a way of disabling enhancements because I don’t think my laptop has any.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 22:34, Brian Moore <bmoore@screenreview.org> wrote:

when I used it, was exactly the same with Jaws. I never had the ram issues but could never get the audio working correctly.


On 13/04/2018 5:33 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Hi,

GOing to the dell audio control panel on my dell and disabling the enhancements fixed my audio service from taking up unneeded processor though it never did use more ram.

It also fixed the over driving of speech, but I also did not have wave max audio.


Though, I don't think dell is the only one doing this these days.



On 13-Apr-2018 4:23 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
no, Jaws works fine.
In my opinion, it’s either NVDA or an obscure Dell problem that I haven’t figured out yet.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 21:53, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:

Does it happen with Jaws?
A Jaws demo would allow you to test.
This knowledge might help make NVDA more robust.
Glenn

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows Audio Service (audiodg.exe)

Agree with all the points raised here, unfortunately it is a Dell and there is no way of accessing any other audio Control Panel.
A USB headset or Bluetooth headset has the same problem unfortunately.
The thing I don’t understand is, why do enhancements matter to NVDA? Why not the same issue with narrator?
Audiodg.exe currently at 2.3 GB ram at the moment haha I’m beginning to loose my mind.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 21:08, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

but the app should have an option to turn off the enhancements. They can't force those. There should be a hidden registry setting or group policy. Sounds like a talk with dell or microsoft is in order. Someone should contact dell, and explain that the enhancements are problamatic with screen reader users, and an option is required to disable them for blind users. Also, if microsoft wanted, it could add an option to disable audio enhancements from the ease of access center.


On 4/13/2018 11:01 PM, Brian Moore wrote:
Hi. I have seen this on a few newer laptops where there was actually no option in the control panel for realtek or anywhere else to disable the enhancements. It was a serious problem as with speech, it was over driving the audio and there was lots of distortion. there didn't seem to be a way that any of us could find to disable it.


the "dell audio" app seems to be integrated with the realtek stuff with no separate entry for removing it. You can uninstall the driver and get a standard realtek driver but you do loose combo jacks etc when you do that.


I was only using this laptop for a short term contract so lived with it for 5 weeks but this would have been grounds to return one if it were one I owned.




On 04/13/2018 3:50 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
it isn't specific to Dell. Try enabling DTS and IDT sound effects for toshiba satallite l50 series laptops. Thank god there is a disable enhancements checkbox for sound effects, and a disable option in the system tray icon of DTS.

Wait what, dell doesn't allow you to disable enhancements in the sound settings? That is retarded seriously. There should be a check box in the actual realtech control panel, which you will likely need sighted help to access.


On 4/13/2018 4:42 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
It is a Dell yes.
Interesting suggestion there, I’ll give it a go. How do I delete the driver? And also, why do you think this issue specific to NVDA?
I’m not that confident with Dell laptops at the moment, but they seem to be popping up in my life a lot more often.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 13:43, valiant8086 <valiant8086@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi.


Is this a dell? If so, I'll need to gloat for a bit. I have a serious hate on for the wave max audio stuff. If it is, a possible fix is to delete the audio driver and reboot. For a short while after you reboot, you'll have a stock windows driver that works fine with the only exception being that it doesn't support headsets with the microphone on the same 8th inch plug in a combo jack, it still records from internal even if you use a headset with a microphone on it. Note though a couple of things, if you end up with no sound, you need a way to recover. I suggest making sure NVDA remote is set to auto start and auto connect in the allow another pc to control this one mode, and if you have another computer handy, restart without doing anything else to ensure you're able to get in from the other computer. Alternatively if you have a USB sound device you could plug in, that'll work.


If this solution works, until the driver updates itself again, you can use the WinaeroTweaker application (free download) to block all driver updates. Dell is really good about making sure your drivers stay up to date so drastic measures are needed to stop it. I don't even know if this will work, when I had a dell for a few days I didn't know about this, so I tried another alternative that worked, denying system write privilages to the realtek folder in program files (and program files (x86) both, but for the system account only If you do it that way, be darn sure you don't accidentally do it to your own account or I won't be able to figure out how to get you to be able to see the folder again to fix it. Deny write and modify to it, for the system account and only that.


Alternatively, if this is recent, let's blame NVDA? Lol



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 4/12/2018 1:03 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
Correct, my device doesn’t have this so unfortunately doesn’t apply.
Thanks though
Luke

On 12 Apr 2018, at 17:55, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@gmx.com> wrote:

Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:
Have you tried to disable the audio enhancements, please read below.
Not every audio device has audio enhancements. So this isn't a surefire fix.


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Re: NVDA and Windows Audio Service (audiodg.exe)

Luke Scholey <l.scholey.lists@...>
 

Hi Tyler
How do you access the Dell audio Control Panel? I know through all my searching I haven’t found a way of disabling enhancements because I don’t think my laptop has any.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 22:34, Brian Moore <bmoore@screenreview.org> wrote:

when I used it, was exactly the same with Jaws. I never had the ram issues but could never get the audio working correctly.


On 13/04/2018 5:33 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Hi,

GOing to the dell audio control panel on my dell and disabling the enhancements fixed my audio service from taking up unneeded processor though it never did use more ram.

It also fixed the over driving of speech, but I also did not have wave max audio.


Though, I don't think dell is the only one doing this these days.



On 13-Apr-2018 4:23 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
no, Jaws works fine.
In my opinion, it’s either NVDA or an obscure Dell problem that I haven’t figured out yet.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 21:53, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:

Does it happen with Jaws?
A Jaws demo would allow you to test.
This knowledge might help make NVDA more robust.
Glenn

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows Audio Service (audiodg.exe)

Agree with all the points raised here, unfortunately it is a Dell and there is no way of accessing any other audio Control Panel.
A USB headset or Bluetooth headset has the same problem unfortunately.
The thing I don’t understand is, why do enhancements matter to NVDA? Why not the same issue with narrator?
Audiodg.exe currently at 2.3 GB ram at the moment haha I’m beginning to loose my mind.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 21:08, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

but the app should have an option to turn off the enhancements. They can't force those. There should be a hidden registry setting or group policy. Sounds like a talk with dell or microsoft is in order. Someone should contact dell, and explain that the enhancements are problamatic with screen reader users, and an option is required to disable them for blind users. Also, if microsoft wanted, it could add an option to disable audio enhancements from the ease of access center.


On 4/13/2018 11:01 PM, Brian Moore wrote:
Hi. I have seen this on a few newer laptops where there was actually no option in the control panel for realtek or anywhere else to disable the enhancements. It was a serious problem as with speech, it was over driving the audio and there was lots of distortion. there didn't seem to be a way that any of us could find to disable it.


the "dell audio" app seems to be integrated with the realtek stuff with no separate entry for removing it. You can uninstall the driver and get a standard realtek driver but you do loose combo jacks etc when you do that.


I was only using this laptop for a short term contract so lived with it for 5 weeks but this would have been grounds to return one if it were one I owned.




On 04/13/2018 3:50 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
it isn't specific to Dell. Try enabling DTS and IDT sound effects for toshiba satallite l50 series laptops. Thank god there is a disable enhancements checkbox for sound effects, and a disable option in the system tray icon of DTS.

Wait what, dell doesn't allow you to disable enhancements in the sound settings? That is retarded seriously. There should be a check box in the actual realtech control panel, which you will likely need sighted help to access.


On 4/13/2018 4:42 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
It is a Dell yes.
Interesting suggestion there, I’ll give it a go. How do I delete the driver? And also, why do you think this issue specific to NVDA?
I’m not that confident with Dell laptops at the moment, but they seem to be popping up in my life a lot more often.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 13:43, valiant8086 <valiant8086@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi.


Is this a dell? If so, I'll need to gloat for a bit. I have a serious hate on for the wave max audio stuff. If it is, a possible fix is to delete the audio driver and reboot. For a short while after you reboot, you'll have a stock windows driver that works fine with the only exception being that it doesn't support headsets with the microphone on the same 8th inch plug in a combo jack, it still records from internal even if you use a headset with a microphone on it. Note though a couple of things, if you end up with no sound, you need a way to recover. I suggest making sure NVDA remote is set to auto start and auto connect in the allow another pc to control this one mode, and if you have another computer handy, restart without doing anything else to ensure you're able to get in from the other computer. Alternatively if you have a USB sound device you could plug in, that'll work.


If this solution works, until the driver updates itself again, you can use the WinaeroTweaker application (free download) to block all driver updates. Dell is really good about making sure your drivers stay up to date so drastic measures are needed to stop it. I don't even know if this will work, when I had a dell for a few days I didn't know about this, so I tried another alternative that worked, denying system write privilages to the realtek folder in program files (and program files (x86) both, but for the system account only If you do it that way, be darn sure you don't accidentally do it to your own account or I won't be able to figure out how to get you to be able to see the folder again to fix it. Deny write and modify to it, for the system account and only that.


Alternatively, if this is recent, let's blame NVDA? Lol



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 4/12/2018 1:03 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
Correct, my device doesn’t have this so unfortunately doesn’t apply.
Thanks though
Luke

On 12 Apr 2018, at 17:55, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@gmx.com> wrote:

Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:
Have you tried to disable the audio enhancements, please read below.
Not every audio device has audio enhancements. So this isn't a surefire fix.


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Re: Accessible apps hope?

David Moore
 

Hi!

I use Pandora in the Chrome browser, and it logs me in with my email and password by itself, and my music comes on.

That is what happens for me.

I just use Pandora right from the web site, I don’t use the app.

I get much more consistency with the web site.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jessica D
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 5:29 PM
To: Matt Turner
Cc: NVDA
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible apps hope?

 

Hi,

I use it all the time.

What, exactly is the issue?

I may be able to help.

 

Thanks,

Jessica

 

On Apr 13, 2018 5:17 PM, Matt Turner <meturner2214@...> wrote:

> weird.

> I just listened to an artical from the talking computers magazine, where

> someone was using it with windows 10.

> On 4/13/2018 5:12 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> > This is a known issue. My friend could not get past that screen with windows 7. They contacted the author, in 2013, and ave yet to receive a response as far as I know.

> >

> >> On Apr 13, 2018, at 2:06 PM, Matt Turner <meturner2214@...> wrote:

> >>

> >> Hi folks.

> >>

> >> Can anyone using windows 8.1, get hope to run?

> >>

> >> I  get to the log in screen for pandorra, then the not responding window comes up.

> >>

> >> No matter what I do, I can't seem to get it to run past that point.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and Windows Audio Service (audiodg.exe)

Brian Moore
 

when I used it, was exactly the same with Jaws.  I never had the ram issues but could never get the audio working correctly.

On 13/04/2018 5:33 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Hi,

GOing to the dell audio control panel on my dell and disabling the enhancements fixed my audio service from taking up unneeded processor though it never did use more ram.

It also fixed the over driving of speech, but I also did not have wave max audio.


Though, I don't think dell is the only one doing this these days.



On 13-Apr-2018 4:23 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
no, Jaws works fine.
In my opinion, it’s either NVDA or an obscure Dell problem that I haven’t figured out yet.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 21:53, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:

Does it happen with Jaws?
A Jaws demo would allow you to test.
This knowledge might help make NVDA more robust.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Luke Scholey
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows Audio Service (audiodg.exe)

Agree with all the points raised here, unfortunately it is a Dell and there is no way of accessing any other audio Control Panel.
A USB headset or Bluetooth headset has the same problem unfortunately.
The thing I don’t understand is, why do enhancements matter to NVDA? Why not the same issue with narrator?
Audiodg.exe currently at 2.3 GB ram at the moment haha I’m beginning to loose my mind.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 21:08, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

but the app should have an option to turn off the enhancements. They can't force those. There should be a hidden registry setting or group policy. Sounds like a talk with dell or microsoft is in order. Someone should contact dell, and explain that the enhancements are problamatic with screen reader users, and an option is required to disable them for blind users. Also, if microsoft wanted, it could add an option to disable audio enhancements from the ease of access center.


On 4/13/2018 11:01 PM, Brian Moore wrote:
Hi. I have seen this on a  few newer laptops where there was actually no option in the control panel for realtek or anywhere else to disable the enhancements.  It was a serious problem as with speech, it was over driving the audio and there was lots of distortion.  there didn't seem to be a way that any of us could find to disable it.


the "dell audio" app seems to be integrated with the realtek stuff with no separate entry for removing it.  You can uninstall the driver and get a standard realtek driver but you do loose combo jacks etc when you do that.


I was only using this laptop for a short term contract so lived with it for 5 weeks but this would have been grounds to return one if it were one I owned.




On 04/13/2018 3:50 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
it isn't specific to Dell. Try enabling DTS and IDT sound effects for toshiba satallite l50 series laptops. Thank god there is a disable enhancements checkbox for sound effects, and a disable option in the system tray icon of DTS.

Wait what, dell doesn't allow you to disable enhancements in the sound settings? That is retarded seriously. There should be a check box in the actual realtech control panel, which you will likely need sighted help to access.


On 4/13/2018 4:42 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
It is a Dell yes.
Interesting suggestion there, I’ll give it a go. How do I delete the driver? And also, why do you think this issue specific to NVDA?
I’m not that confident with Dell laptops at the moment, but they seem to be popping up in my life a lot more often.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 13:43, valiant8086 <valiant8086@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi.


Is this a dell? If so, I'll need to gloat for a bit. I have a serious hate on for the wave max audio stuff.  If it is, a possible fix is to delete the audio driver and reboot. For a short while after you reboot, you'll have a stock windows driver that works fine with the only exception being that it doesn't support headsets with the microphone on the same 8th inch plug in a combo jack, it still records from internal even if you use a headset with a microphone on it. Note though  a couple of things, if you end up with no sound, you need a way to recover. I suggest making sure NVDA remote is set to auto start and auto connect in the allow another pc to control this one mode, and if you have another computer handy, restart without doing anything else to ensure you're able to get in from the other computer. Alternatively if you have a USB sound device you could plug in, that'll work.


If this solution works, until the driver updates itself again, you can use the WinaeroTweaker application (free download) to block all driver updates. Dell is really good about  making sure your drivers stay up to date so drastic measures are needed to stop it. I don't even know if this will work, when I had a dell for a few days I didn't know about this, so I tried another alternative that worked, denying system write privilages to the realtek folder in program files (and program files (x86) both, but for the system account only If you do it that way, be darn sure you don't accidentally do it to your own account or I won't be able to figure out how to get you to be able to see the folder again to fix it. Deny write and modify to it, for the system account and only that.


Alternatively, if this is recent, let's blame NVDA? Lol



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 4/12/2018 1:03 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
Correct, my device doesn’t have this so unfortunately doesn’t apply.
Thanks though
Luke

On 12 Apr 2018, at 17:55, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@gmx.com> wrote:

Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:
Have you tried to disable the audio enhancements, please read below.
Not every audio device has audio enhancements. So this isn't a surefire fix.


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Re: NVDA and Windows Audio Service (audiodg.exe)

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

GOing to the dell audio control panel on my dell and disabling the enhancements fixed my audio service from taking up unneeded processor though it never did use more ram.

It also fixed the over driving of speech, but I also did not have wave max audio.


Though, I don't think dell is the only one doing this these days.

On 13-Apr-2018 4:23 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
no, Jaws works fine.
In my opinion, it’s either NVDA or an obscure Dell problem that I haven’t figured out yet.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 21:53, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:

Does it happen with Jaws?
A Jaws demo would allow you to test.
This knowledge might help make NVDA more robust.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Luke Scholey
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows Audio Service (audiodg.exe)

Agree with all the points raised here, unfortunately it is a Dell and there is no way of accessing any other audio Control Panel.
A USB headset or Bluetooth headset has the same problem unfortunately.
The thing I don’t understand is, why do enhancements matter to NVDA? Why not the same issue with narrator?
Audiodg.exe currently at 2.3 GB ram at the moment haha I’m beginning to loose my mind.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 21:08, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

but the app should have an option to turn off the enhancements. They can't force those. There should be a hidden registry setting or group policy. Sounds like a talk with dell or microsoft is in order. Someone should contact dell, and explain that the enhancements are problamatic with screen reader users, and an option is required to disable them for blind users. Also, if microsoft wanted, it could add an option to disable audio enhancements from the ease of access center.


On 4/13/2018 11:01 PM, Brian Moore wrote:
Hi. I have seen this on a few newer laptops where there was actually no option in the control panel for realtek or anywhere else to disable the enhancements. It was a serious problem as with speech, it was over driving the audio and there was lots of distortion. there didn't seem to be a way that any of us could find to disable it.


the "dell audio" app seems to be integrated with the realtek stuff with no separate entry for removing it. You can uninstall the driver and get a standard realtek driver but you do loose combo jacks etc when you do that.


I was only using this laptop for a short term contract so lived with it for 5 weeks but this would have been grounds to return one if it were one I owned.




On 04/13/2018 3:50 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
it isn't specific to Dell. Try enabling DTS and IDT sound effects for toshiba satallite l50 series laptops. Thank god there is a disable enhancements checkbox for sound effects, and a disable option in the system tray icon of DTS.

Wait what, dell doesn't allow you to disable enhancements in the sound settings? That is retarded seriously. There should be a check box in the actual realtech control panel, which you will likely need sighted help to access.


On 4/13/2018 4:42 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
It is a Dell yes.
Interesting suggestion there, I’ll give it a go. How do I delete the driver? And also, why do you think this issue specific to NVDA?
I’m not that confident with Dell laptops at the moment, but they seem to be popping up in my life a lot more often.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 13:43, valiant8086 <valiant8086@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi.


Is this a dell? If so, I'll need to gloat for a bit. I have a serious hate on for the wave max audio stuff. If it is, a possible fix is to delete the audio driver and reboot. For a short while after you reboot, you'll have a stock windows driver that works fine with the only exception being that it doesn't support headsets with the microphone on the same 8th inch plug in a combo jack, it still records from internal even if you use a headset with a microphone on it. Note though a couple of things, if you end up with no sound, you need a way to recover. I suggest making sure NVDA remote is set to auto start and auto connect in the allow another pc to control this one mode, and if you have another computer handy, restart without doing anything else to ensure you're able to get in from the other computer. Alternatively if you have a USB sound device you could plug in, that'll work.


If this solution works, until the driver updates itself again, you can use the WinaeroTweaker application (free download) to block all driver updates. Dell is really good about making sure your drivers stay up to date so drastic measures are needed to stop it. I don't even know if this will work, when I had a dell for a few days I didn't know about this, so I tried another alternative that worked, denying system write privilages to the realtek folder in program files (and program files (x86) both, but for the system account only If you do it that way, be darn sure you don't accidentally do it to your own account or I won't be able to figure out how to get you to be able to see the folder again to fix it. Deny write and modify to it, for the system account and only that.


Alternatively, if this is recent, let's blame NVDA? Lol



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 4/12/2018 1:03 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
Correct, my device doesn’t have this so unfortunately doesn’t apply.
Thanks though
Luke

On 12 Apr 2018, at 17:55, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@gmx.com> wrote:

Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:
Have you tried to disable the audio enhancements, please read below.
Not every audio device has audio enhancements. So this isn't a surefire fix.


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Re: Accessible apps hope?

Jessica D
 

Hi,
I use it all the time.
What, exactly is the issue?
I may be able to help.

Thanks,
Jessica

On Apr 13, 2018 5:17 PM, Matt Turner <meturner2214@gmail.com> wrote:

weird.

I just listened to an artical from the talking computers magazine, where
someone was using it with windows 10.


On 4/13/2018 5:12 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
This is a known issue. My friend could not get past that screen with windows 7. They contacted the author, in 2013, and ave yet to receive a response as far as I know.

On Apr 13, 2018, at 2:06 PM, Matt Turner <meturner2214@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi folks.

Can anyone using windows 8.1, get hope to run?

I  get to the log in screen for pandorra, then the not responding window comes up.

No matter what I do, I can't seem to get it to run past that point.







Re: NVDA and Windows Audio Service (audiodg.exe)

Luke Scholey <l.scholey.lists@...>
 

no, Jaws works fine.
In my opinion, it’s either NVDA or an obscure Dell problem that I haven’t figured out yet.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 21:53, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:

Does it happen with Jaws?
A Jaws demo would allow you to test.
This knowledge might help make NVDA more robust.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Luke Scholey
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows Audio Service (audiodg.exe)

Agree with all the points raised here, unfortunately it is a Dell and there is no way of accessing any other audio Control Panel.
A USB headset or Bluetooth headset has the same problem unfortunately.
The thing I don’t understand is, why do enhancements matter to NVDA? Why not the same issue with narrator?
Audiodg.exe currently at 2.3 GB ram at the moment haha I’m beginning to loose my mind.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 21:08, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

but the app should have an option to turn off the enhancements. They can't force those. There should be a hidden registry setting or group policy. Sounds like a talk with dell or microsoft is in order. Someone should contact dell, and explain that the enhancements are problamatic with screen reader users, and an option is required to disable them for blind users. Also, if microsoft wanted, it could add an option to disable audio enhancements from the ease of access center.


On 4/13/2018 11:01 PM, Brian Moore wrote:
Hi. I have seen this on a few newer laptops where there was actually no option in the control panel for realtek or anywhere else to disable the enhancements. It was a serious problem as with speech, it was over driving the audio and there was lots of distortion. there didn't seem to be a way that any of us could find to disable it.


the "dell audio" app seems to be integrated with the realtek stuff with no separate entry for removing it. You can uninstall the driver and get a standard realtek driver but you do loose combo jacks etc when you do that.


I was only using this laptop for a short term contract so lived with it for 5 weeks but this would have been grounds to return one if it were one I owned.




On 04/13/2018 3:50 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
it isn't specific to Dell. Try enabling DTS and IDT sound effects for toshiba satallite l50 series laptops. Thank god there is a disable enhancements checkbox for sound effects, and a disable option in the system tray icon of DTS.

Wait what, dell doesn't allow you to disable enhancements in the sound settings? That is retarded seriously. There should be a check box in the actual realtech control panel, which you will likely need sighted help to access.


On 4/13/2018 4:42 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
It is a Dell yes.
Interesting suggestion there, I’ll give it a go. How do I delete the driver? And also, why do you think this issue specific to NVDA?
I’m not that confident with Dell laptops at the moment, but they seem to be popping up in my life a lot more often.
Thanks
Luke

On 13 Apr 2018, at 13:43, valiant8086 <valiant8086@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi.


Is this a dell? If so, I'll need to gloat for a bit. I have a serious hate on for the wave max audio stuff. If it is, a possible fix is to delete the audio driver and reboot. For a short while after you reboot, you'll have a stock windows driver that works fine with the only exception being that it doesn't support headsets with the microphone on the same 8th inch plug in a combo jack, it still records from internal even if you use a headset with a microphone on it. Note though a couple of things, if you end up with no sound, you need a way to recover. I suggest making sure NVDA remote is set to auto start and auto connect in the allow another pc to control this one mode, and if you have another computer handy, restart without doing anything else to ensure you're able to get in from the other computer. Alternatively if you have a USB sound device you could plug in, that'll work.


If this solution works, until the driver updates itself again, you can use the WinaeroTweaker application (free download) to block all driver updates. Dell is really good about making sure your drivers stay up to date so drastic measures are needed to stop it. I don't even know if this will work, when I had a dell for a few days I didn't know about this, so I tried another alternative that worked, denying system write privilages to the realtek folder in program files (and program files (x86) both, but for the system account only If you do it that way, be darn sure you don't accidentally do it to your own account or I won't be able to figure out how to get you to be able to see the folder again to fix it. Deny write and modify to it, for the system account and only that.


Alternatively, if this is recent, let's blame NVDA? Lol



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 4/12/2018 1:03 PM, Luke Scholey wrote:
Correct, my device doesn’t have this so unfortunately doesn’t apply.
Thanks though
Luke

On 12 Apr 2018, at 17:55, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@gmx.com> wrote:

Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:
Have you tried to disable the audio enhancements, please read below.
Not every audio device has audio enhancements. So this isn't a surefire fix.


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Re: Accessible apps hope?

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
 

Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a known issue. My friend could not get past that screen with windows 7. They contacted the author, in 2013, and ave yet to receive a response as far as I know.
The developer is famous for that. Good product, terrible support.


Re: Accessible apps hope?

Matt Turner
 

weird.

I just listened to an artical from the talking computers magazine, where someone was using it with windows 10.

On 4/13/2018 5:12 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
This is a known issue. My friend could not get past that screen with windows 7. They contacted the author, in 2013, and ave yet to receive a response as far as I know.

On Apr 13, 2018, at 2:06 PM, Matt Turner <meturner2214@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi folks.

Can anyone using windows 8.1, get hope to run?

I get to the log in screen for pandorra, then the not responding window comes up.

No matter what I do, I can't seem to get it to run past that point.




Re: Accessible apps hope?

Sarah k Alawami
 

This is a known issue. My friend could not get past that screen with windows 7. They contacted the author, in 2013, and ave yet to receive a response as far as I know.

On Apr 13, 2018, at 2:06 PM, Matt Turner <meturner2214@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi folks.

Can anyone using windows 8.1, get hope to run?

I get to the log in screen for pandorra, then the not responding window comes up.

No matter what I do, I can't seem to get it to run past that point.




Accessible apps hope?

Matt Turner
 

Hi folks.

Can anyone using windows 8.1, get hope to run?

I  get to the log in screen for pandorra, then the not responding window comes up.

No matter what I do, I can't seem to get it to run past that point.