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Re: Email clients

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi Rui,
I'm guessing *.eml is the WLM format? Never heard of that extension before.
Cheers.
Damien.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 4:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients

You have a Thunderbird addon to handle *.EML messages...

Rui

Às 15:12 de 15/04/2018, Damien Garwood escreveu:
Hi there,
Ten minutes in the life of seemingly old fashioned Damien, using Windows 7 and Windows Live Mail:
* Check emails.
* Install Dropbox.
* Realise that it’s turned into a pile of sludgy sluggish inaccessible mess.
* Uninstall Dropbox.
* Attempt to check emails.
* Receive a message that WLDCore.dll is missing.
So in that ten minutes, the only significant thing was to install and uninstall Dropbox, leading me to think that Dropbox somehow corrupted it. I'll save that rant for my rants folder.
I then nonchalantly uninstall, and launch the Windows Live Essentials installer expecting to be able to repair it. Of course, it doesn’t budge. Only then, do I find out that WLM has been discontinued, seemingly with nothing to replace it for Windows 7 users. Another rant for my rants folder.
I wouldn’t be particularly bothered. I wouldn't say that WLM is the best client I've ever used. In fact, every client I've used up to now could do with some accessibility tips. Even so, despite its shortcomings, WLM was the next best thing to OE and so I’ve been using that for the past four or five years.
This puts me in a real dilemma. I’m only able to write this email now, thanks to System Restore (A feature I swore I would never use thanks to its abilities to mess things up). As a result, I highly feel that I need to get a replacement client, hopefully something a little less sporadic in its development and life/support cycles. However, I can’t find a basic, accessible client that:
1. Is free of unnecessary outright bloated clutter,
2. Is fully accessible, responsive and comprehensible, and
3. Is able to import WLM folders and messages.
Here are the three that I have heard apparently work well, and my experiences:
1. OEClassic
Since I liked Outlook Express, and since I have heard a lot about OEClassic on this list, I thought it would make sense to first try that one. However I was disappointed. When tabbing through the main window, I had no idea what was what (the controls seemed to be unlabelled or labelled incorrectly), and some even said “Unknown”. And that’s even before I touched any settings.
2. Pegasus
While Pegasus was the first email client I was ever introduced to, that was nearly 20 years ago, and using a different screen reader. Similar to OEClassic, I found several “Unknown” controls, not to mention the old rich-text-based help system used in the Windows 98 days.
3. Thunderbird
Thunderbird was the only option of the three to allow me to set up a mailbox before use, and even that was a nightmare, simply because it was determined to persuade me to use encrypted channels. Also, while it does seem to be the most accessible of the three in terms of navigation, it also seems full of unnecessary clutter (different tabs, toolbars, calendars and news feeds, half of which I’ll never use). Also can’t get my head around the fact that its window makes heavy use of HTML – I’m used to seeing a good old listbox, pressing enter on a message, and reading it.
Finally, WLM seems to be absent from import options of all three. I see frequent mention of Outlook Express, Outlook, Windows Mail, Thunderbird...But not Windows Live.
At this point, I've no idea what my next step is.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
Damien.
Re: Email clients

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi,
I would be interested to have the menu version as well, if you have it. I’ve never quite got my head around ribbons and so have never been able to really look into what it can do.
Just goes to show that what you learned in IT classes at school 20 years ago soon turns out to be completely pointless and thus a total waste of time and energy. But hey ho. Such is life. Everything must experience change, I guess.
Cheers.
Damien.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients
 
It may be possible that installing Drop Box caused this problem but it's unlikely.  You can try the following:
You can reinstall Windows Live Mail but you will need a full installer since Microsoft no longer provides one.  I don't know if you can just run the installer or if you have to remove Windows Live Mail first.  You can try either way you want.  I'll assume you are using the ribbon version and I'll send you a download link for that.  If you are using the older menu version, let us know. 
 
Instead of reinstalling the program, you may wish to run a system restore point from before the problem started first, and see if that corrects it. 
 
The download link is:
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 9:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Email clients
 
Hi there,
 
Ten minutes in the life of seemingly old fashioned Damien, using Windows 7 and Windows Live Mail:
* Check emails.
* Install Dropbox.
* Realise that it’s turned into a pile of sludgy sluggish inaccessible mess.
* Uninstall Dropbox.
* Attempt to check emails.
* Receive a message that WLDCore.dll is missing.
So in that ten minutes, the only significant thing was to install and uninstall Dropbox, leading me to think that Dropbox somehow corrupted it. I'll save that rant for my rants folder.
I then nonchalantly uninstall, and launch the Windows Live Essentials installer expecting to be able to repair it. Of course, it doesn’t budge. Only then, do I find out that WLM has been discontinued, seemingly with nothing to replace it for Windows 7 users. Another rant for my rants folder.
 
I wouldn’t be particularly bothered. I wouldn't say that WLM is the best client I've ever used. In fact, every client I've used up to now could do with some accessibility tips. Even so, despite its shortcomings, WLM was the next best thing to OE and so I’ve been using that for the past four or five years.
This puts me in a real dilemma. I’m only able to write this email now, thanks to System Restore (A feature I swore I would never use thanks to its abilities to mess things up). As a result, I highly feel that I need to get a replacement client, hopefully something a little less sporadic in its development and life/support cycles. However, I can’t find a basic, accessible client that:
1. Is free of unnecessary outright bloated clutter,
2. Is fully accessible, responsive and comprehensible, and
3. Is able to import WLM folders and messages.
 
Here are the three that I have heard apparently work well, and my experiences:
 
1. OEClassic
Since I liked Outlook Express, and since I have heard a lot about OEClassic on this list, I thought it would make sense to first try that one. However I was disappointed. When tabbing through the main window, I had no idea what was what (the controls seemed to be unlabelled or labelled incorrectly), and some even said “Unknown”. And that’s even before I touched any settings.
 
2. Pegasus
While Pegasus was the first email client I was ever introduced to, that was nearly 20 years ago, and using a different screen reader. Similar to OEClassic, I found several “Unknown” controls, not to mention the old rich-text-based help system used in the Windows 98 days.
 
3. Thunderbird
Thunderbird was the only option of the three to allow me to set up a mailbox before use, and even that was a nightmare, simply because it was determined to persuade me to use encrypted channels. Also, while it does seem to be the most accessible of the three in terms of navigation, it also seems full of unnecessary clutter (different tabs, toolbars, calendars and news feeds, half of which I’ll never use). Also can’t get my head around the fact that its window makes heavy use of HTML – I’m used to seeing a good old listbox, pressing enter on a message, and reading it.
 
Finally, WLM seems to be absent from import options of all three. I see frequent mention of Outlook Express, Outlook, Windows Mail, Thunderbird...But not Windows Live.
At this point, I've no idea what my next step is.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
Damien.
Re: Email clients

Rui Fontes
 

You have a Thunderbird addon to handle *.EML messages...

Rui

Às 15:12 de 15/04/2018, Damien Garwood escreveu:

Hi there,
Ten minutes in the life of seemingly old fashioned Damien, using Windows 7 and Windows Live Mail:
* Check emails.
* Install Dropbox.
* Realise that it’s turned into a pile of sludgy sluggish inaccessible mess.
* Uninstall Dropbox.
* Attempt to check emails.
* Receive a message that WLDCore.dll is missing.
So in that ten minutes, the only significant thing was to install and uninstall Dropbox, leading me to think that Dropbox somehow corrupted it. I'll save that rant for my rants folder.
I then nonchalantly uninstall, and launch the Windows Live Essentials installer expecting to be able to repair it. Of course, it doesn’t budge. Only then, do I find out that WLM has been discontinued, seemingly with nothing to replace it for Windows 7 users. Another rant for my rants folder.
I wouldn’t be particularly bothered. I wouldn't say that WLM is the best client I've ever used. In fact, every client I've used up to now could do with some accessibility tips. Even so, despite its shortcomings, WLM was the next best thing to OE and so I’ve been using that for the past four or five years.
This puts me in a real dilemma. I’m only able to write this email now, thanks to System Restore (A feature I swore I would never use thanks to its abilities to mess things up). As a result, I highly feel that I need to get a replacement client, hopefully something a little less sporadic in its development and life/support cycles. However, I can’t find a basic, accessible client that:
1. Is free of unnecessary outright bloated clutter,
2. Is fully accessible, responsive and comprehensible, and
3. Is able to import WLM folders and messages.
Here are the three that I have heard apparently work well, and my experiences:
1. OEClassic
Since I liked Outlook Express, and since I have heard a lot about OEClassic on this list, I thought it would make sense to first try that one. However I was disappointed. When tabbing through the main window, I had no idea what was what (the controls seemed to be unlabelled or labelled incorrectly), and some even said “Unknown”. And that’s even before I touched any settings.
2. Pegasus
While Pegasus was the first email client I was ever introduced to, that was nearly 20 years ago, and using a different screen reader. Similar to OEClassic, I found several “Unknown” controls, not to mention the old rich-text-based help system used in the Windows 98 days.
3. Thunderbird
Thunderbird was the only option of the three to allow me to set up a mailbox before use, and even that was a nightmare, simply because it was determined to persuade me to use encrypted channels. Also, while it does seem to be the most accessible of the three in terms of navigation, it also seems full of unnecessary clutter (different tabs, toolbars, calendars and news feeds, half of which I’ll never use). Also can’t get my head around the fact that its window makes heavy use of HTML – I’m used to seeing a good old listbox, pressing enter on a message, and reading it.
Finally, WLM seems to be absent from import options of all three. I see frequent mention of Outlook Express, Outlook, Windows Mail, Thunderbird...But not Windows Live.
At this point, I've no idea what my next step is.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
Damien.
Re: Email clients

Gene
 

It may be possible that installing Drop Box caused this problem but it's unlikely.  You can try the following:
You can reinstall Windows Live Mail but you will need a full installer since Microsoft no longer provides one.  I don't know if you can just run the installer or if you have to remove Windows Live Mail first.  You can try either way you want.  I'll assume you are using the ribbon version and I'll send you a download link for that.  If you are using the older menu version, let us know. 
 
Instead of reinstalling the program, you may wish to run a system restore point from before the problem started first, and see if that corrects it. 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 9:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Email clients

Hi there,
 
Ten minutes in the life of seemingly old fashioned Damien, using Windows 7 and Windows Live Mail:
* Check emails.
* Install Dropbox.
* Realise that it’s turned into a pile of sludgy sluggish inaccessible mess.
* Uninstall Dropbox.
* Attempt to check emails.
* Receive a message that WLDCore.dll is missing.
So in that ten minutes, the only significant thing was to install and uninstall Dropbox, leading me to think that Dropbox somehow corrupted it. I'll save that rant for my rants folder.
I then nonchalantly uninstall, and launch the Windows Live Essentials installer expecting to be able to repair it. Of course, it doesn’t budge. Only then, do I find out that WLM has been discontinued, seemingly with nothing to replace it for Windows 7 users. Another rant for my rants folder.
 
I wouldn’t be particularly bothered. I wouldn't say that WLM is the best client I've ever used. In fact, every client I've used up to now could do with some accessibility tips. Even so, despite its shortcomings, WLM was the next best thing to OE and so I’ve been using that for the past four or five years.
This puts me in a real dilemma. I’m only able to write this email now, thanks to System Restore (A feature I swore I would never use thanks to its abilities to mess things up). As a result, I highly feel that I need to get a replacement client, hopefully something a little less sporadic in its development and life/support cycles. However, I can’t find a basic, accessible client that:
1. Is free of unnecessary outright bloated clutter,
2. Is fully accessible, responsive and comprehensible, and
3. Is able to import WLM folders and messages.
 
Here are the three that I have heard apparently work well, and my experiences:
 
1. OEClassic
Since I liked Outlook Express, and since I have heard a lot about OEClassic on this list, I thought it would make sense to first try that one. However I was disappointed. When tabbing through the main window, I had no idea what was what (the controls seemed to be unlabelled or labelled incorrectly), and some even said “Unknown”. And that’s even before I touched any settings.
 
2. Pegasus
While Pegasus was the first email client I was ever introduced to, that was nearly 20 years ago, and using a different screen reader. Similar to OEClassic, I found several “Unknown” controls, not to mention the old rich-text-based help system used in the Windows 98 days.
 
3. Thunderbird
Thunderbird was the only option of the three to allow me to set up a mailbox before use, and even that was a nightmare, simply because it was determined to persuade me to use encrypted channels. Also, while it does seem to be the most accessible of the three in terms of navigation, it also seems full of unnecessary clutter (different tabs, toolbars, calendars and news feeds, half of which I’ll never use). Also can’t get my head around the fact that its window makes heavy use of HTML – I’m used to seeing a good old listbox, pressing enter on a message, and reading it.
 
Finally, WLM seems to be absent from import options of all three. I see frequent mention of Outlook Express, Outlook, Windows Mail, Thunderbird...But not Windows Live.
At this point, I've no idea what my next step is.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
Damien.
Re: Email clients

Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
 

Yeah, I don't like any of the mail clients either. Thunderbird is the best, but it is laggy, extremely laggy, bloated, etc.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi Damien,


If you use Thunderbird, a lot of the extraneous stuff can be turned off under tools/options.  In addition, NVDA works much better with Thunderbird than does JAWS.  Also, there is an add on for Thunderbird and Firefox for NVDA that allows among other things, the re positioning of columns in Thunderbird.  This is very convenient for those of us who wish to have the Sender's name first rather than the default subject line first in the columns as they are read when you move up/down a list of received messages.




On 4/15/2018 10:12 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi there,
 
Ten minutes in the life of seemingly old fashioned Damien, using Windows 7 and Windows Live Mail:
* Check emails.
* Install Dropbox.
* Realise that it’s turned into a pile of sludgy sluggish inaccessible mess.
* Uninstall Dropbox.
* Attempt to check emails.
* Receive a message that WLDCore.dll is missing.
So in that ten minutes, the only significant thing was to install and uninstall Dropbox, leading me to think that Dropbox somehow corrupted it. I'll save that rant for my rants folder.
I then nonchalantly uninstall, and launch the Windows Live Essentials installer expecting to be able to repair it. Of course, it doesn’t budge. Only then, do I find out that WLM has been discontinued, seemingly with nothing to replace it for Windows 7 users. Another rant for my rants folder.
 
I wouldn’t be particularly bothered. I wouldn't say that WLM is the best client I've ever used. In fact, every client I've used up to now could do with some accessibility tips. Even so, despite its shortcomings, WLM was the next best thing to OE and so I’ve been using that for the past four or five years.
This puts me in a real dilemma. I’m only able to write this email now, thanks to System Restore (A feature I swore I would never use thanks to its abilities to mess things up). As a result, I highly feel that I need to get a replacement client, hopefully something a little less sporadic in its development and life/support cycles. However, I can’t find a basic, accessible client that:
1. Is free of unnecessary outright bloated clutter,
2. Is fully accessible, responsive and comprehensible, and
3. Is able to import WLM folders and messages.
 
Here are the three that I have heard apparently work well, and my experiences:
 
1. OEClassic
Since I liked Outlook Express, and since I have heard a lot about OEClassic on this list, I thought it would make sense to first try that one. However I was disappointed. When tabbing through the main window, I had no idea what was what (the controls seemed to be unlabelled or labelled incorrectly), and some even said “Unknown”. And that’s even before I touched any settings.
 
2. Pegasus
While Pegasus was the first email client I was ever introduced to, that was nearly 20 years ago, and using a different screen reader. Similar to OEClassic, I found several “Unknown” controls, not to mention the old rich-text-based help system used in the Windows 98 days.
 
3. Thunderbird
Thunderbird was the only option of the three to allow me to set up a mailbox before use, and even that was a nightmare, simply because it was determined to persuade me to use encrypted channels. Also, while it does seem to be the most accessible of the three in terms of navigation, it also seems full of unnecessary clutter (different tabs, toolbars, calendars and news feeds, half of which I’ll never use). Also can’t get my head around the fact that its window makes heavy use of HTML – I’m used to seeing a good old listbox, pressing enter on a message, and reading it.
 
Finally, WLM seems to be absent from import options of all three. I see frequent mention of Outlook Express, Outlook, Windows Mail, Thunderbird...But not Windows Live.
At this point, I've no idea what my next step is.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
Damien.

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Re: Email clients

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi,
You need an addon for repositioning columns? Wow. Usually something like that would come as an option within the application itself (Explorer, OE etc). Considering how flexible and versatile Mozilla applications generally are, that surprises me to no end.
Would you say Thunderbird was the best client? If so then I’ll give it more than just the perfunctory glance. Like I say, it does seem the most accessible when it comes to finding and navigating controls. Also, how would I go about importing my WLM stuff over?
Cheers.
Damien.
 

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients
 

Hi Damien,

 

If you use Thunderbird, a lot of the extraneous stuff can be turned off under tools/options.  In addition, NVDA works much better with Thunderbird than does JAWS.  Also, there is an add on for Thunderbird and Firefox for NVDA that allows among other things, the re positioning of columns in Thunderbird.  This is very convenient for those of us who wish to have the Sender's name first rather than the default subject line first in the columns as they are read when you move up/down a list of received messages.

 

 


On 4/15/2018 10:12 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi there,
 
Ten minutes in the life of seemingly old fashioned Damien, using Windows 7 and Windows Live Mail:
* Check emails.
* Install Dropbox.
* Realise that it’s turned into a pile of sludgy sluggish inaccessible mess.
* Uninstall Dropbox.
* Attempt to check emails.
* Receive a message that WLDCore.dll is missing.
So in that ten minutes, the only significant thing was to install and uninstall Dropbox, leading me to think that Dropbox somehow corrupted it. I'll save that rant for my rants folder.
I then nonchalantly uninstall, and launch the Windows Live Essentials installer expecting to be able to repair it. Of course, it doesn’t budge. Only then, do I find out that WLM has been discontinued, seemingly with nothing to replace it for Windows 7 users. Another rant for my rants folder.
 
I wouldn’t be particularly bothered. I wouldn't say that WLM is the best client I've ever used. In fact, every client I've used up to now could do with some accessibility tips. Even so, despite its shortcomings, WLM was the next best thing to OE and so I’ve been using that for the past four or five years.
This puts me in a real dilemma. I’m only able to write this email now, thanks to System Restore (A feature I swore I would never use thanks to its abilities to mess things up). As a result, I highly feel that I need to get a replacement client, hopefully something a little less sporadic in its development and life/support cycles. However, I can’t find a basic, accessible client that:
1. Is free of unnecessary outright bloated clutter,
2. Is fully accessible, responsive and comprehensible, and
3. Is able to import WLM folders and messages.
 
Here are the three that I have heard apparently work well, and my experiences:
 
1. OEClassic
Since I liked Outlook Express, and since I have heard a lot about OEClassic on this list, I thought it would make sense to first try that one. However I was disappointed. When tabbing through the main window, I had no idea what was what (the controls seemed to be unlabelled or labelled incorrectly), and some even said “Unknown”. And that’s even before I touched any settings.
 
2. Pegasus
While Pegasus was the first email client I was ever introduced to, that was nearly 20 years ago, and using a different screen reader. Similar to OEClassic, I found several “Unknown” controls, not to mention the old rich-text-based help system used in the Windows 98 days.
 
3. Thunderbird
Thunderbird was the only option of the three to allow me to set up a mailbox before use, and even that was a nightmare, simply because it was determined to persuade me to use encrypted channels. Also, while it does seem to be the most accessible of the three in terms of navigation, it also seems full of unnecessary clutter (different tabs, toolbars, calendars and news feeds, half of which I’ll never use). Also can’t get my head around the fact that its window makes heavy use of HTML – I’m used to seeing a good old listbox, pressing enter on a message, and reading it.
 
Finally, WLM seems to be absent from import options of all three. I see frequent mention of Outlook Express, Outlook, Windows Mail, Thunderbird...But not Windows Live.
At this point, I've no idea what my next step is.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
Damien.

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Re: Email clients

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Damien,


If you use Thunderbird, a lot of the extraneous stuff can be turned off under tools/options.  In addition, NVDA works much better with Thunderbird than does JAWS.  Also, there is an add on for Thunderbird and Firefox for NVDA that allows among other things, the re positioning of columns in Thunderbird.  This is very convenient for those of us who wish to have the Sender's name first rather than the default subject line first in the columns as they are read when you move up/down a list of received messages.




On 4/15/2018 10:12 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi there,
 
Ten minutes in the life of seemingly old fashioned Damien, using Windows 7 and Windows Live Mail:
* Check emails.
* Install Dropbox.
* Realise that it’s turned into a pile of sludgy sluggish inaccessible mess.
* Uninstall Dropbox.
* Attempt to check emails.
* Receive a message that WLDCore.dll is missing.
So in that ten minutes, the only significant thing was to install and uninstall Dropbox, leading me to think that Dropbox somehow corrupted it. I'll save that rant for my rants folder.
I then nonchalantly uninstall, and launch the Windows Live Essentials installer expecting to be able to repair it. Of course, it doesn’t budge. Only then, do I find out that WLM has been discontinued, seemingly with nothing to replace it for Windows 7 users. Another rant for my rants folder.
 
I wouldn’t be particularly bothered. I wouldn't say that WLM is the best client I've ever used. In fact, every client I've used up to now could do with some accessibility tips. Even so, despite its shortcomings, WLM was the next best thing to OE and so I’ve been using that for the past four or five years.
This puts me in a real dilemma. I’m only able to write this email now, thanks to System Restore (A feature I swore I would never use thanks to its abilities to mess things up). As a result, I highly feel that I need to get a replacement client, hopefully something a little less sporadic in its development and life/support cycles. However, I can’t find a basic, accessible client that:
1. Is free of unnecessary outright bloated clutter,
2. Is fully accessible, responsive and comprehensible, and
3. Is able to import WLM folders and messages.
 
Here are the three that I have heard apparently work well, and my experiences:
 
1. OEClassic
Since I liked Outlook Express, and since I have heard a lot about OEClassic on this list, I thought it would make sense to first try that one. However I was disappointed. When tabbing through the main window, I had no idea what was what (the controls seemed to be unlabelled or labelled incorrectly), and some even said “Unknown”. And that’s even before I touched any settings.
 
2. Pegasus
While Pegasus was the first email client I was ever introduced to, that was nearly 20 years ago, and using a different screen reader. Similar to OEClassic, I found several “Unknown” controls, not to mention the old rich-text-based help system used in the Windows 98 days.
 
3. Thunderbird
Thunderbird was the only option of the three to allow me to set up a mailbox before use, and even that was a nightmare, simply because it was determined to persuade me to use encrypted channels. Also, while it does seem to be the most accessible of the three in terms of navigation, it also seems full of unnecessary clutter (different tabs, toolbars, calendars and news feeds, half of which I’ll never use). Also can’t get my head around the fact that its window makes heavy use of HTML – I’m used to seeing a good old listbox, pressing enter on a message, and reading it.
 
Finally, WLM seems to be absent from import options of all three. I see frequent mention of Outlook Express, Outlook, Windows Mail, Thunderbird...But not Windows Live.
At this point, I've no idea what my next step is.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
Damien.

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Email clients

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi there,
 
Ten minutes in the life of seemingly old fashioned Damien, using Windows 7 and Windows Live Mail:
* Check emails.
* Install Dropbox.
* Realise that it’s turned into a pile of sludgy sluggish inaccessible mess.
* Uninstall Dropbox.
* Attempt to check emails.
* Receive a message that WLDCore.dll is missing.
So in that ten minutes, the only significant thing was to install and uninstall Dropbox, leading me to think that Dropbox somehow corrupted it. I'll save that rant for my rants folder.
I then nonchalantly uninstall, and launch the Windows Live Essentials installer expecting to be able to repair it. Of course, it doesn’t budge. Only then, do I find out that WLM has been discontinued, seemingly with nothing to replace it for Windows 7 users. Another rant for my rants folder.
 
I wouldn’t be particularly bothered. I wouldn't say that WLM is the best client I've ever used. In fact, every client I've used up to now could do with some accessibility tips. Even so, despite its shortcomings, WLM was the next best thing to OE and so I’ve been using that for the past four or five years.
This puts me in a real dilemma. I’m only able to write this email now, thanks to System Restore (A feature I swore I would never use thanks to its abilities to mess things up). As a result, I highly feel that I need to get a replacement client, hopefully something a little less sporadic in its development and life/support cycles. However, I can’t find a basic, accessible client that:
1. Is free of unnecessary outright bloated clutter,
2. Is fully accessible, responsive and comprehensible, and
3. Is able to import WLM folders and messages.
 
Here are the three that I have heard apparently work well, and my experiences:
 
1. OEClassic
Since I liked Outlook Express, and since I have heard a lot about OEClassic on this list, I thought it would make sense to first try that one. However I was disappointed. When tabbing through the main window, I had no idea what was what (the controls seemed to be unlabelled or labelled incorrectly), and some even said “Unknown”. And that’s even before I touched any settings.
 
2. Pegasus
While Pegasus was the first email client I was ever introduced to, that was nearly 20 years ago, and using a different screen reader. Similar to OEClassic, I found several “Unknown” controls, not to mention the old rich-text-based help system used in the Windows 98 days.
 
3. Thunderbird
Thunderbird was the only option of the three to allow me to set up a mailbox before use, and even that was a nightmare, simply because it was determined to persuade me to use encrypted channels. Also, while it does seem to be the most accessible of the three in terms of navigation, it also seems full of unnecessary clutter (different tabs, toolbars, calendars and news feeds, half of which I’ll never use). Also can’t get my head around the fact that its window makes heavy use of HTML – I’m used to seeing a good old listbox, pressing enter on a message, and reading it.
 
Finally, WLM seems to be absent from import options of all three. I see frequent mention of Outlook Express, Outlook, Windows Mail, Thunderbird...But not Windows Live.
At this point, I've no idea what my next step is.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
Damien.
Re: Nvda and Vocalizer: how to buy just one Voice

Angela Delicata
 

Ah, Codefactory Vocalizer is better? I will try and search how to buy it thenm... I prefer updated software smile.

Il 14/04/2018 23:59, kavein thran ha scritto:
hi,
just an opinion,
you better consider codefactory folks as tifla technia are not
updating their drivers, voices and even their pages showed that last
update was 2013.

Spend money wisely.

thanks

On 4/15/18, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:
You also can buy online on our webpage, www.vocalizer-nvda.com.

In that page you can find other vendors on Italy...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 17:47 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
Ah, I know the person at least by name. I don't think he will answer me,
but I may try other ways.

I may ask other friends I have here in Italy...

Thank you for replying, any answer is always useful.


All the best.

Angela from Italy


Il 14/04/2018 17:28, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
Hello!

In Italy you can contact with:
Simone Dal Maso
simone.dalmaso@gmail.com

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 15:27 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
Hi,

I would like to have nvda use  Italian voice Federica made by
vocalizer, but I do not know how to buy it and how much it would be...

Please, let me know and eventually write off list to better explain.

Ciao and thanks.






.
Re: Nvda and Vocalizer: how to buy just one Voice

Angela Delicata
 

Thank you again, I will try that.

Il 14/04/2018 19:46, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
You also can buy online on our webpage, www.vocalizer-nvda.com.

In that page you can find other vendors on Italy...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 17:47 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
Ah, I know the person at least by name. I don't think he will answer me, but I may try other ways.

I may ask other friends I have here in Italy...

Thank you for replying, any answer is always useful.


All the best.

Angela from Italy


Il 14/04/2018 17:28, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
Hello!

In Italy you can contact with:
Simone Dal Maso
simone.dalmaso@gmail.com

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 15:27 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
Hi,

I would like to have nvda use  Italian voice Federica made by vocalizer, but I do not know how to buy it and how much it would be...

Please, let me know and eventually write off list to better explain.

Ciao and thanks.






.
Re: NVDA and Canute multiline display

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

there is a brand new podcast about the latest canute360 over at www.blindbargains.com the canute now sounds like a quiet inkJet printer when it refreshes. 
Re: Nvda and Vocalizer: how to buy just one Voice

Felix G.
 

Hi Gene,
I am talking about the add-on. I figured that it would be more responsive than a sapi voice. Fact is, it's technically inferior.
Kind regards,
Felix

2018-04-15 12:29 GMT+02:00 Gene <gsasner@...>:

If you are talking about the Eloquence add on, it's understandable why you didn't like it.  Are you talking about that or the SAPI 5 version of Eloquence?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda and Vocalizer: how to buy just one Voice

Hi!
This chaos is part of the reason why I am sticking with Espeak at this time, even though I have on different occasions considered buying extra voices. But when I tried CodeFactory Eloquence it performed badly on my system, and when I tried the Tiflotecnia voices I had to install a specific version of the .Net Framework, which struck me as odd as I don't see why that would be required for a voice to work which also runs on embedded systems where .Net is unknown.
Also, on multiple occasions I've seen discussions about problems with Vocalizer voices being urgently directed off list, which triggered my skepticism so I chose to wait and observe.
Best regards,
Felix

2018-04-15 2:12 GMT+02:00 Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...>:
No, the drivers are diferent, the voices version can be diferent, etc...

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Às 23:39 de 14/04/2018, Antony Stone escreveu:
So, who's the actual original source of these voices, then?

I thought "vocaliser" was the brand name for the voices, and that Codefactory
and Tiflotecnia were simply resellers - ie: passing on the same goods, in the
same way you can buy the same laptop in different shops, maybe for different
prices, maybe with different warranties, but at the end of the day the thing
you get is just the same.


Antony.

On Saturday 14 April 2018 at 23:59:50, kavein thran wrote:

hi,
just an opinion,
you better consider codefactory folks as tifla technia are not
updating their drivers, voices and even their pages showed that last
update was 2013.

Spend money wisely.

thanks

On 4/15/18, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
You also can buy online on our webpage, www.vocalizer-nvda.com.

In that page you can find other vendors on Italy...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 17:47 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
Ah, I know the person at least by name. I don't think he will answer me,
but I may try other ways.

I may ask other friends I have here in Italy...

Thank you for replying, any answer is always useful.


All the best.

Angela from Italy

Il 14/04/2018 17:28, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
Hello!

In Italy you can contact with:
Simone Dal Maso
simone.dalmaso@...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 15:27 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
Hi,

I would like to have nvda use  Italian voice Federica made by
vocalizer, but I do not know how to buy it and how much it would be...

Please, let me know and eventually write off list to better explain.

Ciao and thanks.
Re: Nvda and Vocalizer: how to buy just one Voice

Gene
 

If you are talking about the Eloquence add on, it's understandable why you didn't like it.  Are you talking about that or the SAPI 5 version of Eloquence?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda and Vocalizer: how to buy just one Voice

Hi!
This chaos is part of the reason why I am sticking with Espeak at this time, even though I have on different occasions considered buying extra voices. But when I tried CodeFactory Eloquence it performed badly on my system, and when I tried the Tiflotecnia voices I had to install a specific version of the .Net Framework, which struck me as odd as I don't see why that would be required for a voice to work which also runs on embedded systems where .Net is unknown.
Also, on multiple occasions I've seen discussions about problems with Vocalizer voices being urgently directed off list, which triggered my skepticism so I chose to wait and observe.
Best regards,
Felix

2018-04-15 2:12 GMT+02:00 Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...>:
No, the drivers are diferent, the voices version can be diferent, etc...

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Às 23:39 de 14/04/2018, Antony Stone escreveu:
So, who's the actual original source of these voices, then?

I thought "vocaliser" was the brand name for the voices, and that Codefactory
and Tiflotecnia were simply resellers - ie: passing on the same goods, in the
same way you can buy the same laptop in different shops, maybe for different
prices, maybe with different warranties, but at the end of the day the thing
you get is just the same.


Antony.

On Saturday 14 April 2018 at 23:59:50, kavein thran wrote:

hi,
just an opinion,
you better consider codefactory folks as tifla technia are not
updating their drivers, voices and even their pages showed that last
update was 2013.

Spend money wisely.

thanks

On 4/15/18, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
You also can buy online on our webpage, www.vocalizer-nvda.com.

In that page you can find other vendors on Italy...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 17:47 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
Ah, I know the person at least by name. I don't think he will answer me,
but I may try other ways.

I may ask other friends I have here in Italy...

Thank you for replying, any answer is always useful.


All the best.

Angela from Italy

Il 14/04/2018 17:28, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
Hello!

In Italy you can contact with:
Simone Dal Maso
simone.dalmaso@...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 15:27 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
Hi,

I would like to have nvda use  Italian voice Federica made by
vocalizer, but I do not know how to buy it and how much it would be...

Please, let me know and eventually write off list to better explain.

Ciao and thanks.
Re: NVDA not saying much

zahra
 

hi.
which version of openoffice is it?
openoffice since version 4.1.0, support accessibility without extra
programs like java access briedge.

On 4/14/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
What does it do in other software? I'm suspicious of the office program as
there have been many versions of it and some are not very accessible at
all.
What about web browsing, notepad or wrdpad. if the same is happening I
suggest a look at the preferences menu and toggle a few things and see if it

helps. Normally though, on a new installation sensible defaults occur.

More details of the system etc, and portable or installed version might also

be useful, along with the version of nvda in use.
Brian

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in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vernon Webb" <vernonwebb51@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not saying much


I am helping a new user of NVDA. It speaks application names etc, and it
echoed letters as I type in OpenOffice Writer, but it doesn’t speak letters,

words or lines as I move around a small doc using cursor keys, up/down keys

or Ctrl with cursor keys. Any tips where to look? Thanks, Vernon

from: Vernon Webb
vernonwebb51@hotmail.com
Education Consultant - Visual Impairment
Ludlow, Shropshire






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Re: Nvda and Vocalizer: how to buy just one Voice

Felix G.
 

Hi!
This chaos is part of the reason why I am sticking with Espeak at this time, even though I have on different occasions considered buying extra voices. But when I tried CodeFactory Eloquence it performed badly on my system, and when I tried the Tiflotecnia voices I had to install a specific version of the .Net Framework, which struck me as odd as I don't see why that would be required for a voice to work which also runs on embedded systems where .Net is unknown.
Also, on multiple occasions I've seen discussions about problems with Vocalizer voices being urgently directed off list, which triggered my skepticism so I chose to wait and observe.
Best regards,
Felix

2018-04-15 2:12 GMT+02:00 Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...>:

No, the drivers are diferent, the voices version can be diferent, etc...

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Às 23:39 de 14/04/2018, Antony Stone escreveu:
So, who's the actual original source of these voices, then?

I thought "vocaliser" was the brand name for the voices, and that Codefactory
and Tiflotecnia were simply resellers - ie: passing on the same goods, in the
same way you can buy the same laptop in different shops, maybe for different
prices, maybe with different warranties, but at the end of the day the thing
you get is just the same.


Antony.

On Saturday 14 April 2018 at 23:59:50, kavein thran wrote:

hi,
just an opinion,
you better consider codefactory folks as tifla technia are not
updating their drivers, voices and even their pages showed that last
update was 2013.

Spend money wisely.

thanks

On 4/15/18, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
You also can buy online on our webpage, www.vocalizer-nvda.com.

In that page you can find other vendors on Italy...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 17:47 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
Ah, I know the person at least by name. I don't think he will answer me,
but I may try other ways.

I may ask other friends I have here in Italy...

Thank you for replying, any answer is always useful.


All the best.

Angela from Italy

Il 14/04/2018 17:28, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
Hello!

In Italy you can contact with:
Simone Dal Maso
simone.dalmaso@...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 15:27 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
Hi,

I would like to have nvda use  Italian voice Federica made by
vocalizer, but I do not know how to buy it and how much it would be...

Please, let me know and eventually write off list to better explain.

Ciao and thanks.
Re: NVDA on the El Braille

Justin Harris <justin171185@...>
 

Yes, very frustrating. I finally did figure out how to write numbers in
the Spanish computer Braille code, but yuck! Adding dot 6 to everything
but 0, and for 0, dots 3-4-6-7-8. Just to much, and in NVDA, it just
works. For a while I was having to plug in an external keyboard and use
it that way, but with NVDA enabled, that has lessened quite a bit. Now
just whenever I get stuck. And yeah, it will be interesting trying to
learn all those new commands.

Since you are also an El Braille user, perhaps you can also hhelp me out
with this... how do I go about using the focus 14 with a bluetooth
device while still inside the El Braille? Can I just do it as normal?
How do I switch back and forth between the two?

El 4/13/2018 a las 9:04 AM, valiant8086 escribió:
Hi.


You turned out to be right though. When I select Spanish, there are no
input options.


Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy
Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community -
http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 4/13/2018 8:32 AM, valiant8086 wrote:
Hi.

Yes I am an Elbraille user. There is an extended braille gestures
add-on I believe on the official NVDA add-ons page that brings most
of the missing functionality.


I'm confused about your JAWS issue with no spanish braille, because
JAWS18 uses libluis, which I am surprised to hear doesn't have
anything but computer braille in Spanish.


To be able to cycle between JAWS and NVDA, assign one of the
elbraille buttons to launch NVDA. Otherwise, you won't be able to
start NVDA with JAWS already running, as two screen readers are
unable to do anything that makes sense with one braille display.
You'll need close JAWS first then start NVDA using that elbraille
button. If you need to go back to JAWS, close NVDA and use the
Elbraille Rescue Menu (hold down e1, and use your volume keys to find
JAWS Restart, then hit E4 to execute.


Have fun learning the new gestures for that NVDA add-on though, I
tried and gave up, mostly because I prefer JAWS at this point anyway
but, it's all very different and quite a headache for those already
used to doing it the JAWS way.


I can't keep up with this list much. If you want to ensure a response
from me about further discussion of the Elbraille, be sure to include
my email address directly. If it's on topic, and you also sent it to
the list, I'll come into the folder for this and find it and respond
on list.


Hope this is useful.


Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy
Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community -
http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 4/12/2018 4:23 PM, Justin Harris wrote:
Hello,

I recently purchased an El Braille from Freedom Scientific, and over
all, I think it is an amazing product. Hardware specs aren't much to
speak on, but for what it does, not a bad product at all. However,
there
is one major issue I have run in to. That is, the lack of Spanish
Braille entry support in JAWS. Called up VFO, only to be told that if I
wanted to use JAWS in another language, I would have to buy another
license from a distributor in Latin America. I informed them that no, I
was able to get Spanish JAWS to activate here in the U.S, (by keeping
format options set to English-US, and in almost every way, it works.
However, even in the Spanish version of JAWS, the only Braille entry
offered is computer Braille. While I am used to, and much prefer having
my OS in Spanish, and can read Spanish Braille, I have no idea how to
type certain things in eight dot, aka computer, Braille. And it seems
that VFO just didn't want to deal with it. Even contacted a distributor
in Argentina, only to be told that since I didn't buy the license from
them, that they could not offer support.

So, that got me thinking. I have used NVDA for years. the commands are
already more familiar to me. Granted, I had never used it with a
Braille
display before, bbut I thought... this thing runs Windows. What can
stop
me from putting NVDA on it and doing things that way? I detached the
focus 14 and took NVDA with the focus 14 for a quick test drive.
Spanish
input and output work perfectly so far as I could tell..

So, here are a few things I have noticed.

1. There doesn't seem to be any support for simulating a press of a
function key from the Braille display.

2. It does not seem possible to do keystrokes which require several
modifiers at once, (alt + tab, alt + f4, ctrl + C, etc. Am I missing
something, or is my assesment correct? Does anyone else on this list
have an El Braille? I wonder if an NVDA addon could be produced to make
it play nicer with this particular device.

There are several reasons one might wish to do this. I already
explained
my reasoning, but being that there are only 2 gb of ram on the device,
NVDA is a much lighter program, not so much of a resource hog. Also, a
lot of the NVDA commands seem to be much more intuitive. A W-chord (for
Windows makes lots more sense than right shift + dot 4. E-chord for
escape, makes a lot more sense than the Z-chord used by Jaws.

Thanks,

Justin
Re: Chrome's interface was: RE: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

Gene
 

I don't like the way book marks are laid out and I tried using the book marks search feature but, at least in the version I tried it with, the feature appeared to be inaccessible.  I also don't like the lack of short cut and accellerator keys for some items in menus.  It's been years since Chrome has been around and the google accessibility developers still haven't implemented a short cut or accelerator command for book marks, at least as far as I know.  I haven't followed Chrome much for awhile.
 
In addition, though I don't use history much, I still don't want it displayed as a web page when I do use it. 
 
I regularly use the book marks search feature in firefox and I find it so useful that I never organize book marks any longer.  If a book mark isn't conveniently available where it is, I use the search feature. 
 
As far as settings are concerned, I'm not sure if I have an opinion about which I prefer, the firefox layout or the Chrome web page layout.  But for me, history and book marks are important enough that I use firefox.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 6:41 PM
Subject: Chrome's interface was: RE: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

Gene,

 

This poses an interesting debate. I’ve also changed the subject line to better reflect.

 

You say you don’t like the Chrome interface. To be very clear/honest, neither did I at first, but the more I’ve been using Chrome, the more I’m growing to swear by it!

 

I’m just curious what exactly you don’t care for. Is it the fact that things are now mainly laid out in web views instead of multi tab dialogs? If so, that through me for a bit of a loop as well at first until I got used to it, so yeah. That would be a fair statement if so.

 

Chris.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 7:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

 

thank you for that explanation

Hank

On 4/14/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Whatever else may have used that or a similar name, F123 is an add on for both Firefox and Chrome.  I haven't used it.  I suspect that oddities encountered are the result of the add on but, without testing, that's just my suspicion.  I don't like the Chrome interface but in terms of working with web pages, I've found browse mode to work just about the same as in firefox and Internet Explorer.  Occasionally, there will be a difference, such as one screen-reader reading different text on a control because it's looking at different text in the control, but in general, I find that browse mode is browse mode. 

 

You can turn the add on offf in Chrome and still leave it installed.  It's been a long time since I've played with this, but if you want to experiment and if someone else doesn't give the procedure, I can look again.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 6:26 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

 

First, it may help if instead of just saying "weird quirks" if you can tell us what specifically those things are, so we can have a better feel for how to assist.

Second, did I perhaps miss something here? I thought F123 was a really old, and all be it also, very dead last I looked, distro of Linux that was made specifically for the blind. And before anyone gets OT asking me, no, I don't know if the packages included with it would be up to date, nor how far a sudo apt[get update would take you. I don't even know if apt is included. It might use either yum, or pacman. Anyway, that's not for this list though, so I digress. Point is, it's pretty old, but as far as a Chrome extension with that name, I'm curious what this thing does.

Chris.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; blindtech@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

Hello does any one use this chrome add on?
I am noticing some weird quirks and I can't tell if it is chrome or the add on.
thanks
Hank
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Re: Nvda and Vocalizer: how to buy just one Voice

Rui Fontes
 

No, the drivers are diferent, the voices version can be diferent, etc...

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 23:39 de 14/04/2018, Antony Stone escreveu:

So, who's the actual original source of these voices, then?
I thought "vocaliser" was the brand name for the voices, and that Codefactory
and Tiflotecnia were simply resellers - ie: passing on the same goods, in the
same way you can buy the same laptop in different shops, maybe for different
prices, maybe with different warranties, but at the end of the day the thing
you get is just the same.
Antony.
On Saturday 14 April 2018 at 23:59:50, kavein thran wrote:

hi,
just an opinion,
you better consider codefactory folks as tifla technia are not
updating their drivers, voices and even their pages showed that last
update was 2013.

Spend money wisely.

thanks

On 4/15/18, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:
You also can buy online on our webpage, www.vocalizer-nvda.com.

In that page you can find other vendors on Italy...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 17:47 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
Ah, I know the person at least by name. I don't think he will answer me,
but I may try other ways.

I may ask other friends I have here in Italy...

Thank you for replying, any answer is always useful.


All the best.

Angela from Italy

Il 14/04/2018 17:28, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
Hello!

In Italy you can contact with:
Simone Dal Maso
simone.dalmaso@gmail.com

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 15:27 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
Hi,

I would like to have nvda use Italian voice Federica made by
vocalizer, but I do not know how to buy it and how much it would be...

Please, let me know and eventually write off list to better explain.

Ciao and thanks.
Re: Nvda and Vocalizer: how to buy just one Voice

Ronald J Glaser
 

How do you get this  to work, I bought a copy of this addon and it is not working.



On 4/14/2018 4:59 PM, kavein thran wrote:
hi,
just an opinion,
you better consider codefactory folks as tifla technia are not
updating their drivers, voices and even their pages showed that last
update was 2013.

Spend money wisely.

thanks

On 4/15/18, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

You also can buy online on our webpage, www.vocalizer-nvda.com.

In that page you can find other vendors on Italy...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 17:47 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:

Ah, I know the person at least by name. I don't think he will answer me,
but I may try other ways.

I may ask other friends I have here in Italy...

Thank you for replying, any answer is always useful.


All the best.

Angela from Italy


Il 14/04/2018 17:28, Rui Fontes ha scritto:

Hello!

In Italy you can contact with:
Simone Dal Maso
simone.dalmaso@...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 15:27 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:

Hi,

I would like to have nvda use  Italian voice Federica made by
vocalizer, but I do not know how to buy it and how much it would be...

Please, let me know and eventually write off list to better explain.

Ciao and thanks.






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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Gene,

 

This poses an interesting debate. I’ve also changed the subject line to better reflect.

 

You say you don’t like the Chrome interface. To be very clear/honest, neither did I at first, but the more I’ve been using Chrome, the more I’m growing to swear by it!

 

I’m just curious what exactly you don’t care for. Is it the fact that things are now mainly laid out in web views instead of multi tab dialogs? If so, that through me for a bit of a loop as well at first until I got used to it, so yeah. That would be a fair statement if so.

 

Chris.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 7:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

 

thank you for that explanation

Hank

On 4/14/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Whatever else may have used that or a similar name, F123 is an add on for both Firefox and Chrome.  I haven't used it.  I suspect that oddities encountered are the result of the add on but, without testing, that's just my suspicion.  I don't like the Chrome interface but in terms of working with web pages, I've found browse mode to work just about the same as in firefox and Internet Explorer.  Occasionally, there will be a difference, such as one screen-reader reading different text on a control because it's looking at different text in the control, but in general, I find that browse mode is browse mode. 

 

You can turn the add on offf in Chrome and still leave it installed.  It's been a long time since I've played with this, but if you want to experiment and if someone else doesn't give the procedure, I can look again.

 

Gene

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Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 6:26 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

 

First, it may help if instead of just saying "weird quirks" if you can tell us what specifically those things are, so we can have a better feel for how to assist.

Second, did I perhaps miss something here? I thought F123 was a really old, and all be it also, very dead last I looked, distro of Linux that was made specifically for the blind. And before anyone gets OT asking me, no, I don't know if the packages included with it would be up to date, nor how far a sudo apt[get update would take you. I don't even know if apt is included. It might use either yum, or pacman. Anyway, that's not for this list though, so I digress. Point is, it's pretty old, but as far as a Chrome extension with that name, I'm curious what this thing does.

Chris.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; blindtech@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

Hello does any one use this chrome add on?
I am noticing some weird quirks and I can't tell if it is chrome or the add on.
thanks
Hank
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