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Word Processor?
Lisa P Geibel
Hi,
Thanks to everyone for the help about setting this new computer up. Because of some mishaps, we weren't able to try the install on our own, but it got done. Now, I have a question. I used to have and use Microsoft Word. Loved it, but when I tried to install it, I was told my keys had already been used, so I'm going to try Open Office. I downloaded it and am now lost. What is the section that is similar to Word for Open Office or did I download the wrong thing? Probably, knowing me. LOL I know this topic was covered fairly recently and I'm sorry, but those messages are gone and I had saved them or thought I did in case I had to do this. Please help and sorry for not being better organized. Thanks.
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Ham radio programs
Igor Kaplan
Hi Angelo,
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Don't mean to change the topic, however since you mentioned about ham programs would like to ask you, which ham programs you use? I am not a ham operator, however like to listen the ham radio and DX stations. Many thanks. Igor
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 6:07 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS I use both NVDA and Jaws, and for the most part they both work equally well. There are some programs that work better with Jaws, and many program that work better with NVDA. QuickBooks works well with NVDA and so do many of the ham radio programs I use. Jaws has the advantage with the office suite, but for most people NVDA and office work well. Occasionally I find software that will only behave with Narrator, but Narrator is not ready for prime time. Stay Well. 73 N2DYN Angelo -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angela Delicata Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:35 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS Yes, but we can find apps which are not accesible using Jaws also: this depends more on the producer of a specific software rather than nvaccess. So, I agree on what you say , but this applies to Jaws also. Il 20/04/2018 10:06, Tea Turkovic ha scritto: It would be excellent when more companies would colaborate with NV
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
john s
Don, I'm still using WE with win 7. The thing which makes me hesitate to another screen reader is I don't what would replace the WE mouse keys. What did you do with NVDA to replace that function?
At 03:38 PM 4/19/2018, Don H, wrote: I started using NVDA after the demise of Window Eyes. I also got the free Jaws when it was offered. I found NVDA much easier to use over Jaws and use NVDA as my prime screen reader. Just hope that there is no way that VFO can swallow up NVDA as it did Window Eyes.John
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
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Since many people like a pop3/IMAP local mail client and since many of same really miss Outlook Express, many use Thunderbird. I can say categorically that for whatever reason, NVDA runs rings around JAWS in Thunderbird. This is my personal experience as to why I use exclusively NVDA and almost never use JAWS any more.
On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
I use both NVDA and Jaws, and for the most part they both work equally well.
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There are some programs that work better with Jaws, and many program that work better with NVDA. QuickBooks works well with NVDA and so do many of the ham radio programs I use. Jaws has the advantage with the office suite, but for most people NVDA and office work well. Occasionally I find software that will only behave with Narrator, but Narrator is not ready for prime time. Stay Well. 73 N2DYN Angelo
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angela Delicata Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:35 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS Yes, but we can find apps which are not accesible using Jaws also: this depends more on the producer of a specific software rather than nvaccess. So, I agree on what you say , but this applies to Jaws also. Il 20/04/2018 10:06, Tea Turković ha scritto: It would be excellent when more companies would colaborate with NV
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Re: nvda and Edge
bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
Sounds good. I was able to enter Reader Mode by ALlt-D then tabbing over to it.
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On 4/20/2018 3:40 AM, David Moore wrote:
Also, the key command:
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Devin Prater
Well, with all of the computers that I use, NVDA is sluggish with Microsoft Word text areas. So, until NVDA, and yes even Narrator, get that fixed, JAWS is the only viable solution for Office users. Sure, NVDA developers say they’ve never experienced this, but on my laptop with 8 gigs ram, quad core threaded CPU, and 64 bit Windows, and a beefy workstation with 16 gigs of ram, an SSD, and so on, NVDA still lags with Word text areas, this means the document pane pretty much, as well as the Outlook message box. So, JAWS still has that main use for professional Office users and students.
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On Apr 20, 2018, at 3:39 AM, Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Angela Delicata
very well said: good analysis of things.
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Il 19/04/2018 21:43, Gene ha scritto:
There are some uses for which JAWS is better. My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do. But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need. A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Angela Delicata
Yes, but we can find apps which are not accesible using Jaws also: this depends more on the producer of a specific software rather than nvaccess.
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So, I agree on what you say , but this applies to Jaws also.
Il 20/04/2018 10:06, Tea Turković ha scritto:
It would be excellent when more companies would colaborate with NV Access to make their desktop apps accessible with NVDA.
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Well in some cases narator is good in scan mode as a secondary screen reader.
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There are bits nvda doesn't read that it does.
On 4/20/2018 11:25 AM, Ashley Wayne wrote:
Hey all,
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Mallard
Well... I abandoned Jaws in 2009 and, when I installed a demo last year to try it out, I found that I simply didn't know how to use it anymoer... I uninstalled it, and that was it. I ralise it would be handy to have it, at least as demo (I wouldn't buy it at this point...), but I'm too lazy to sit down and re-learn it.
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Ciao, Ollie
Il 20/04/2018 01:45, David Moore ha scritto:
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Re: nvda and Edge
Mallard
Thanks David for all the tips on Edge.
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I use Firefox a lot; I don't seem to experience the issues many others are reporting here. It's still very fast on my machine, but it's become a lot more cumbersome, and tends to block too much stuff totally unrequested. I mostly use Chrome, and definitely Edge for pdf and epub files, because it retains links, which Qread doesn't do. Ciao, Ollie
Il 20/04/2018 01:50, David Moore ha scritto:
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Tea Turković
It would be excellent when more companies would colaborate with NV Access to make their desktop apps accessible with NVDA.
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19.4.2018. u 22:35, bob jutzi je napisao/la:
I did neglect to give an example, Quicken.
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Tea Turković
I removed JAWS completely in spring 2011 because it worked very slow on my PC. I started using NVDA in 2010 and since 2011 it's the only screen reader I dayli use.
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I don't support development of JAWS because it doesn't follow changes in field of technology as expected, it's too expensive and it doesn't lead to our better digital inclusion, in my oppinion. 19.4.2018. u 21:33, Sky Mundell je napisao/la:
That's true. Although JAWS does have tools which I use at work such as Text Analyzer, skim reading, etc. Skim reading is in NVDA and I think Text Amalyzer could as well.
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Re: nvda and Edge
David Moore
Also, the key command: ALT+X opens the settings and more menu, found on the top where the address bar is. Arrow up to settings, and enter, and you can customize all settings very easily. You can do a lot with ALT+X. Have a great one! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: bob jutzi
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 9:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge
Alt-D drops you in the address bar. From here you can also tab or shift-tab to find other menu options.
On 4/19/2018 8:17 PM, David Mehler wrote: > Hello, > > For users of edge how do you use it? I am wanting to try it but have > no idea how to proceed there's no menu I don't see an interface. I'm > also wondering the advantages of edge vs. ie11/firefox/chrome? > > I am enjoying this thread. > > Thanks. > Dave. > > > On 4/19/18, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote: >> That is great! >> Also, Edge has a built in reading feature, where all the clutter is gone >> from the page, leaving just the article. It works like Just read in Chrome. >> To activate it, just press CTRL+Shift+R. >> David Moore >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: bob jutzi >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:01 PM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge >> >> Thanks. Am checking into Edge as it's rather interesting. I love the >> Continue on PC feature. >> >> On 4/19/2018 7:50 PM, David Moore wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> NVDA is faster in Edge, you can open PDFs and Epub books, and you can >>> save or back your favorites as an html file. >>> >>> Also, Edge loads pages for me, much faster than the later versions of >>> firefox. >>> >>> Have a great one, by the way, I use Chrome, most of the time, it works >>> much better, in my opinion, than the latest versions of firefox. >>> >>> David Moore >>> >>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >>> Windows 10 >>> >>> *From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...> >>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:26 PM >>> *To: *nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io> >>> *Subject: *[nvda] nvda and Edge >>> >>> I am running the latest NVDA master along with Fall Creaters update of >>> >>> Win10 and finally decided to check out Edge. I do have a few questions. >>> >>> For those of us who are blind, what advantages does Edge have over >>> Firefox? >>> >>> Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to backup Favorites unless this is >>> >>> managed through Syncing. I am already logged into my Microsoft account. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
David Moore
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From: Afik Suffir
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 2:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
b.h hello, I agree with all of you here, every screen reader have its fetuares. I have a question: does NVDA have screen curtain fetuare? Thanks and best wishes Afik Suffir Btw, sorry for the errors.
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 3:44 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
I use JAWS extensively for its excellent braille and Microsoft Office support, but NVDA is improving in these areas. The BrailleExtender add-on is very good, for example. On my system, at least, with applications such as Microsoft Outlook, NVDA doesn't seem to crash as JAWS does. Perhaps I've simply been lucky.
I've noticed some bugs in NVDA 2018.1.1, but, on the other hand, I'm aware of some JAWS bugs as well. Perhaps I should go to GitHub and report the NVDA bugs, or raise them on the list.
All of the screen readers that I have used have their advantages and drawbacks. They all have bugs, too. So do operating systems and applications, where many of the accessibility issues lie. Choose whatever combinations best meet your needs. As others have suggested, having multiple screen readers available is a good situation to be in.
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Re: having multiple webpages opened when using NVDA?
hi.
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its a command of firefox and maybe other web browsers to open multiple web pages in one window, (i mean tab browsing). its not a command of any screen reader, but browsers support tab browsing and you can select to open new pages in a new tab or new windo.
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I would venture to say that if it involves the insert key, it is a --
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Afik Suffir <afik.sofir@...>
b.h
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hello, I agree with all of you here, every screen reader have its fetuares. I have a question: does NVDA have screen curtain fetuare? Thanks and best wishes Afik Suffir Btw, sorry for the errors.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 3:44 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS I use JAWS extensively for its excellent braille and Microsoft Office support, but NVDA is improving in these areas. The BrailleExtender add-on is very good, for example. On my system, at least, with applications such as Microsoft Outlook, NVDA doesn't seem to crash as JAWS does. Perhaps I've simply been lucky. I've noticed some bugs in NVDA 2018.1.1, but, on the other hand, I'm aware of some JAWS bugs as well. Perhaps I should go to GitHub and report the NVDA bugs, or raise them on the list. All of the screen readers that I have used have their advantages and drawbacks. They all have bugs, too. So do operating systems and applications, where many of the accessibility issues lie. Choose whatever combinations best meet your needs. As others have suggested, having multiple screen readers available is a good situation to be in.
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Re: Editing Excel Cells
Quentin Christensen
Hi Louis, Pressing F2 to edit cell contents in Excel is a function of Excel itself, rather than the screen reader. So, yes you can do this with NVDA. Interesting that you say this functionality no longer works with Jaws, as we have started seeing problems with it in NVDA, so I wonder if it is not something either screen reader has done, but perhaps something Microsoft has done that has broken how we get the information about cells being edited. For a sighted user, and indeed using NVDA, the functionality appears to work just the same as it ever has, it's just that NVDA reports "unknown" when you press F2, and then does not read the contents of the cell. We have at least one issue open for this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8146 Regards Quentin.
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 8:32 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...> wrote: Folks, --
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Re: Urgently need help (word 2010)
Quentin Christensen
I realised after I replied that shift+a currently does not work. I submitted an issue for this, but to my knowledge, we haven't got a solution as yet: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7342 Re other manuals, yes, I'm planning Outlook and PowerPoint at the moment. I was hoping to write at least one of those last year, but got caught up with other projects. Quentin.
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 12:04 AM, <prem.translator@...> wrote: Hello again Quentin, --
Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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