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Word Processor?

Lisa P Geibel
 

Hi,

Thanks to everyone for the help about setting this new computer up. Because of some mishaps, we weren't able to try the install on our own, but it got done. Now, I have a question. I used to have and use Microsoft Word. Loved it, but when I tried to install it, I was told my keys had already been used, so I'm going to try Open Office. I downloaded it and am now lost. What is the section that is similar to Word for Open Office or did I download the wrong thing? Probably, knowing me. LOL I know this topic was covered fairly recently and I'm sorry, but those messages are gone and I had saved them or thought I did in case I had to do this. Please help and sorry for not being better organized. Thanks.


Ham radio programs

Igor Kaplan
 

Hi Angelo,

Don't mean to change the topic, however since you mentioned about ham programs would like to ask you, which ham programs you use? I am not a ham operator, however like to listen the ham radio and DX stations.

Many thanks.

Igor

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 6:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

I use both NVDA and Jaws, and for the most part they both work equally well.
There are some programs that work better with Jaws, and many program that work better with NVDA.
QuickBooks works well with NVDA and so do many of the ham radio programs I use.
Jaws has the advantage with the office suite, but for most people NVDA and office work well.

Occasionally I find software that will only behave with Narrator, but Narrator is not ready for prime time.
Stay Well.

73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Yes, but we can find apps which are not accesible using Jaws also: this depends more on the producer of a specific software rather than nvaccess.

So, I agree on what you say , but this applies to Jaws also.

Il 20/04/2018 10:06, Tea Turkovic ha scritto:
It would be excellent when more companies would colaborate with NV
Access to make their desktop apps accessible with NVDA.


19.4.2018. u 22:35, bob jutzi je napisao/la:
I did neglect to give an example, Quicken.
I used Quicken from 2000-13 with Window-eyes. Since the
discontinuation of Window-eyes, had I continued using it rather than
switching to my bank's iOS app, this would require me to use JAWS
since unfortunately, NVDA doesn't support Quicken enough to make it
useable.

On 4/19/2018 3:41 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly
a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it. Along with
supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes,
Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive. No
offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a
ridiculous upgrade price tag. It's not like it's still the 90's and
Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.

Bob



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only
since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web
navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no
need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because
they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I m using JAWS as my
primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the
first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in
using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been
using it as my secondary screen reader!
I m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS
specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I d like to request you to please comment about my
observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
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inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

john s
 

Don, I'm still using WE with win 7. The thing which makes me hesitate to another screen reader is I don't what would replace the WE mouse keys. What did you do with NVDA to replace that function?

At 03:38 PM 4/19/2018, Don H, wrote:
I started using NVDA after the demise of Window Eyes. I also got the free Jaws when it was offered. I found NVDA much easier to use over Jaws and use NVDA as my prime screen reader. Just hope that there is no way that VFO can swallow up NVDA as it did Window Eyes.


John


Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


Since many people like a pop3/IMAP local mail client and since many of same really miss Outlook Express, many use Thunderbird.  I can say categorically that for whatever reason, NVDA runs rings around JAWS in Thunderbird.  This is my personal experience as to why I use exclusively NVDA and almost never use JAWS any more.

On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@aol.com
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
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Call me on my cell numbers:
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Angelo Sonnesso
 

I use both NVDA and Jaws, and for the most part they both work equally well.
There are some programs that work better with Jaws, and many program that work better with NVDA.
QuickBooks works well with NVDA and so do many of the ham radio programs I use.
Jaws has the advantage with the office suite, but for most people NVDA and office work well.

Occasionally I find software that will only behave with Narrator, but Narrator is not ready for prime time.
Stay Well.

73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Yes, but we can find apps which are not accesible using Jaws also: this depends more on the producer of a specific software rather than nvaccess.

So, I agree on what you say , but this applies to Jaws also.

Il 20/04/2018 10:06, Tea Turković ha scritto:
It would be excellent when more companies would colaborate with NV
Access to make their desktop apps accessible with NVDA.


19.4.2018. u 22:35, bob jutzi je napisao/la:
I did neglect to give an example, Quicken.
I used Quicken from 2000-13 with Window-eyes. Since the
discontinuation of Window-eyes, had I continued using it rather than
switching to my bank's iOS app, this would require me to use JAWS
since unfortunately, NVDA doesn't support Quicken enough to make it
useable.

On 4/19/2018 3:41 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly
a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it. Along with
supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes,
Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive. No
offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a
ridiculous upgrade price tag. It's not like it's still the 90's and
Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.

Bob



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only
since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web
navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no
need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because
they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my
primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the
first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in
using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been
using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS
specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my
observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@aol.com
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
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Re: nvda and Edge

bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

Sounds good. I was able to enter Reader Mode by ALlt-D then tabbing over to it.

On 4/20/2018 3:40 AM, David Moore wrote:
Also, the key command:
ALT+X opens the settings and more menu, found on the top where the address bar is.
Arrow up to settings, and enter, and you can customize all settings very easily.
You can do a lot with ALT+X.
Have a great one!
David Moore
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 9:03 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge
Alt-D drops you in the address bar. From here you can also tab or
shift-tab to find other menu options.
On 4/19/2018 8:17 PM, David Mehler wrote:

> Hello,

>

> For users of edge how do you use it? I am wanting to try it but have

> no idea how to proceed there's no menu I don't see an interface. I'm

> also wondering the advantages of edge vs. ie11/firefox/chrome?

>

> I am enjoying this thread.

>

> Thanks.

> Dave.

>

>

> On 4/19/18, David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com> wrote:

>> That is great!

>> Also, Edge has a built in reading feature, where all the clutter is gone

>> from the page, leaving just the article. It works like Just read in
Chrome.

>> To activate it, just press CTRL+Shift+R.

>> David Moore

>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>>

>> From: bob jutzi

>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:01 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge

>>

>> Thanks. Am checking into Edge as it's rather interesting. I love the

>> Continue on PC feature.

>>

>> On 4/19/2018 7:50 PM, David Moore wrote:

>>> Hi!

>>>

>>> NVDA is faster in Edge, you can open PDFs and Epub books, and you can

>>> save or back your favorites as an html file.

>>>

>>> Also, Edge loads pages for me, much faster than the later versions of

>>> firefox.

>>>

>>> Have a great one, by the way, I use Chrome, most of the time, it works

>>> much better, in my opinion, than the latest versions of firefox.

>>>

>>> David Moore

>>>

>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

>>> Windows 10

>>>

>>> *From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@gmail.com>

>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:26 PM

>>> *To: *nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

>>> *Subject: *[nvda] nvda and Edge

>>>

>>> I am running the latest NVDA master along with Fall Creaters update of

>>>

>>> Win10 and finally decided to check out Edge. I do have a few
questions.

>>>

>>> For those of us who are blind, what advantages does Edge have over

>>> Firefox?

>>>

>>> Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to backup Favorites unless this is

>>>

>>> managed through Syncing. I am already logged into my Microsoft
account.

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>


Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Devin Prater
 

Well, with all of the computers that I use, NVDA is sluggish with Microsoft Word text areas. So, until NVDA, and yes even Narrator, get that fixed, JAWS is the only viable solution for Office users. Sure, NVDA developers say they’ve never experienced this, but on my laptop with 8 gigs ram, quad core threaded CPU, and 64 bit Windows, and a beefy workstation with 16 gigs of ram, an SSD, and so on, NVDA still lags with Word text areas, this means the document pane pretty much, as well as the Outlook message box. So, JAWS still has that main use for professional Office users and students.

On Apr 20, 2018, at 3:39 AM, Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@gmail.com> wrote:

very well said: good analysis of things.



Il 19/04/2018 21:43, Gene ha scritto:
There are some uses for which JAWS is better. My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do. But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need. A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.

And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better.

It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS. that isn't a proper view. for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior. but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways. It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@aol.com
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
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Call me on my cell numbers:
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+92-334-3348409





Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Angela Delicata
 

very well said: good analysis of things.

Il 19/04/2018 21:43, Gene ha scritto:
There are some uses for which JAWS is better. My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do. But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need. A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.

And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better.

It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS. that isn't a proper view. for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior. but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways. It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@aol.com
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
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+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409



Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Angela Delicata
 

Yes, but we can find apps which are not accesible using Jaws also: this depends more on the producer of a specific software rather than nvaccess.

So, I agree on what you say , but this applies to  Jaws also.

Il 20/04/2018 10:06, Tea Turković ha scritto:
It would be excellent when more companies would colaborate with NV Access to make their desktop apps accessible with NVDA.


19.4.2018. u 22:35, bob jutzi je napisao/la:
I did neglect to give an example, Quicken.
I used Quicken from 2000-13 with Window-eyes.  Since the discontinuation of Window-eyes, had I continued using it rather than switching to my bank's iOS app, this would require me to use JAWS since unfortunately, NVDA doesn't support Quicken enough to make it useable.

On 4/19/2018 3:41 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it.  Along with supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes, Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive.  No offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a ridiculous upgrade price tag.  It's not like it's still the 90's and Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.

Bob



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@aol.com
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

 

Well in some cases narator is good in scan mode as a secondary screen reader.

There are bits nvda doesn't read that it does.

On 4/20/2018 11:25 AM, Ashley Wayne wrote:
Hey all,
I am enjoying this thread. I don't see any need or reason to insist that
one screenreader is inherently better overall than another. They each may
work better for different tasks or one just may find one easier to use than
another. In my case, I use nvda most, but have relied on jaws for working
with pdf documents, as I find for me it seems to be a bit easier to
manipulate. I will sometimes try narrator as well, it is so nice to have
choices. It's just like with phones or computers, it's preference and/or
tailoring to what specific task you need a screenreader for. I'm
personally apprecitive of microsoft, vfo and nv access for all their hard
work.

On Apr 19, 2018 5:11 PM, "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

It's worth pointing out that, although Window-eyes will become increasingly
less useful over time, it still would be worth keeping around because you
might find something it does better than JAWS or NVDA. Just because it is
no longer updated doesn't mean it may not be useful for certain tasks.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
*Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:42 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Indeed.

It's exactly the same as choosing a web browser - there is no single "best"
choice. Some people prefer Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera, or whatever;
sometimes one works with a particular website better than others; some have
features which you don't often need but are really useful on occasion.

So, having several web browsers installed so you can choose which one to
use
at any given time is good; the same thing goes for screen readers - there
is
no single "best" choice, it depends on what you're trying to do, and
sometimes
what you feel most comfortable / familiar with.


Antony.

On Thursday 19 April 2018 at 23:34:30, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

After following this thread, I’ve decided to put in my 1.5 cents. (smile)

As a blind person who has used a computer for a long time with many
different screen readers, I feel that one can never have too many. Some
things JAWS is better at than NVDA and vice versa. I’ve actually had to
switch between screen readers in the middle of performing a task on the
web simply because one will work and the other won’t for one specific part
of a task. Thanks for reading.

Dan K


Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Mallard
 

Well... I abandoned Jaws in 2009 and, when I installed a demo last year to try it out, I found that I simply didn't know how to use it anymoer... I uninstalled it, and that was it. I ralise it would be handy to have it, at least as demo (I wouldn't buy it at this point...), but I'm too lazy to sit down and re-learn it.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 20/04/2018 01:45, David Moore ha scritto:

Exactly!

I use NVDA for many tasks, JAWS for many tasks, and even Narrator for other tasks. Each screen reader has its own specialties to be better in different apps, the web, and desktop programs. JAWS does a little better in Chrome, for example. NVDA does great in the win10 mail app. Narrator does very well in the Store app and Skype app. I use all screen readers to be as fast as I can and get the most done. I am not loyal to one screen reader like my wife LOL! The more tools you have, the more you can do. I use three browsers, for example, to do different tasks. Have a great one!

David Moore

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*From: *Ashley Wayne <mailto:a.r.wayne2008@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 7:25 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Hey all,
I am enjoying this thread.  I don't see any need or reason to insist that one screenreader is inherently better overall than another.  They each may work better for different tasks or one just may find one easier to use than another.  In my case, I use nvda most, but have relied on jaws for working with pdf documents, as I find for me it seems to be a bit easier to manipulate.  I will sometimes try narrator as well, it is so nice to have choices.  It's just like with phones or computers, it's preference and/or tailoring to what specific task you need a screenreader for.  I'm personally apprecitive of microsoft, vfo and nv access for all their hard work.

On Apr 19, 2018 5:11 PM, "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:

It's worth pointing out that, although Window-eyes will become
increasingly less useful over time, it still would be worth
keeping around because you might find something it does better
than JAWS or NVDA.  Just because it is no longer updated doesn't
mean it may not be useful for certain tasks.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>

*Sent:*Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:42 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Indeed.

It's exactly the same as choosing a web browser - there is no
single "best"
choice.  Some people prefer Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera, or
whatever;
sometimes one works with a particular website better than others;
some have
features which you don't often need but are really useful on occasion.

So, having several web browsers installed so you can choose which
one to use
at any given time is good; the same thing goes for screen readers
- there is
no single "best" choice, it depends on what you're trying to do,
and sometimes
what you feel most comfortable / familiar with.


Antony.

On Thursday 19 April 2018 at 23:34:30, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

> After following this thread, I’ve decided to put in my 1.5
cents.  (smile)
>
> As a blind person who has used a computer for a long time with many
> different screen readers, I feel that one can never have too
many.  Some
> things JAWS is better at than NVDA and vice versa.  I’ve
actually had to
> switch between screen readers in the middle of performing a task
on the
> web simply because one will work and the other won’t for one
specific part
> of a task.  Thanks for reading.
>
> Dan K

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Re: nvda and Edge

Mallard
 

Thanks David for all the tips on Edge.


I use Firefox a lot; I don't seem to experience the issues many others are reporting here. It's still very fast on my machine, but it's become a lot more cumbersome, and tends to block too much stuff totally unrequested.


I mostly use Chrome, and definitely Edge for pdf and epub files, because it retains links, which Qread doesn't do.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 20/04/2018 01:50, David Moore ha scritto:

Hi!

NVDA is faster in Edge, you can open PDFs and Epub books, and you can save or back your favorites as an html file.

Also, Edge loads pages for me, much faster than the later versions of firefox.

Have a great one, by the way, I use Chrome, most of the time, it works much better, in my opinion, than the latest versions of firefox.

David Moore

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*From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:26 PM
*To: *nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] nvda and Edge

I am running the latest NVDA master along with Fall Creaters update of

Win10 and finally decided to check out Edge.  I do have a few questions.

For those of us who are blind, what advantages does Edge have over Firefox?

Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to backup Favorites unless this is

managed through Syncing.  I am already logged into my Microsoft account.


Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Tea Turković
 

It would be excellent when more companies would colaborate with NV Access to make their desktop apps accessible with NVDA.


19.4.2018. u 22:35, bob jutzi je napisao/la:

I did neglect to give an example, Quicken.
I used Quicken from 2000-13 with Window-eyes.  Since the discontinuation of Window-eyes, had I continued using it rather than switching to my bank's iOS app, this would require me to use JAWS since unfortunately, NVDA doesn't support Quicken enough to make it useable.

On 4/19/2018 3:41 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it.  Along with supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes, Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive.  No offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a ridiculous upgrade price tag.  It's not like it's still the 90's and Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.

Bob



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Tea Turković
 

I removed JAWS completely in spring 2011 because it worked very slow on my PC. I started using NVDA in 2010 and since 2011 it's the only screen reader I dayli use.

I don't support development of JAWS because it doesn't follow changes in field of technology as expected, it's too expensive and it doesn't lead to our better digital inclusion, in my oppinion.


19.4.2018. u 21:33, Sky Mundell je napisao/la:

That's true. Although JAWS does have tools which I use at work such as Text Analyzer, skim reading, etc. Skim reading is in NVDA and I think Text Amalyzer could as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 12:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since
last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation,
checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need
for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do
not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@aol.com
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409





Re: nvda and Edge

David Moore
 

Also, the key command:

ALT+X opens the settings and more menu, found on the top where the address bar is.

Arrow up to settings, and enter, and you can customize all settings very easily.

You can do a lot with ALT+X.

Have a great one!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: bob jutzi
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 9:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge

 

Alt-D drops you in the address bar.   From here you can also tab or

shift-tab to find other menu options.

 

On 4/19/2018 8:17 PM, David Mehler wrote:

> Hello,

>

> For users of edge how do you use it? I am wanting to try it but have

> no idea how to proceed there's no menu I don't see an interface. I'm

> also wondering the advantages of edge vs. ie11/firefox/chrome?

>

> I am enjoying this thread.

>

> Thanks.

> Dave.

>

>

> On 4/19/18, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

>> That is great!

>> Also, Edge has a built in reading feature, where all the clutter is gone

>> from the page, leaving just the article. It works like Just read in Chrome.

>> To activate it, just press CTRL+Shift+R.

>> David Moore

>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>> 

>> From: bob jutzi

>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:01 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge

>> 

>> Thanks.  Am checking into Edge as it's rather interesting.  I love the

>> Continue on PC feature.

>> 

>> On 4/19/2018 7:50 PM, David Moore wrote:

>>> Hi!

>>> 

>>> NVDA is faster in Edge, you can open PDFs and Epub books, and you can

>>> save or back your favorites as an html file.

>>> 

>>> Also, Edge loads pages for me, much faster than the later versions of

>>> firefox.

>>> 

>>> Have a great one, by the way, I use Chrome, most of the time, it works

>>> much better, in my opinion, than the latest versions of firefox.

>>> 

>>> David Moore

>>> 

>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

>>> Windows 10

>>> 

>>> *From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>

>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:26 PM

>>> *To: *nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

>>> *Subject: *[nvda] nvda and Edge

>>> 

>>> I am running the latest NVDA master along with Fall Creaters update of

>>> 

>>> Win10 and finally decided to check out Edge.  I do have a few questions.

>>> 

>>> For those of us who are blind, what advantages does Edge have over

>>> Firefox?

>>> 

>>> Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to backup Favorites unless this is

>>> 

>>> managed through Syncing.  I am already logged into my Microsoft account.

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

David Moore
 

Hi!

No, it does not!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Afik Suffir
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 2:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

 

b.h

hello,

I agree with all of you here, every screen reader have its fetuares.

I have a question: does NVDA have screen curtain fetuare?

Thanks and best wishes

Afik Suffir

Btw, sorry for the errors.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason

White via Groups.Io

Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 3:44 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

 

I use JAWS extensively for its excellent braille and Microsoft Office

support, but NVDA is improving in these areas. The BrailleExtender add-on is

very good, for example. On my system, at least, with applications such as

Microsoft Outlook, NVDA doesn't seem to crash as JAWS does. Perhaps I've

simply been lucky.

 

I've noticed some bugs in NVDA 2018.1.1, but, on the other hand, I'm aware

of some JAWS bugs as well. Perhaps I should go to GitHub and report the NVDA

bugs, or raise them on the list.

 

All of the screen readers that I have used have their advantages and

drawbacks. They all have bugs, too. So do operating systems and

applications, where many of the accessibility issues lie. Choose whatever

combinations best meet your needs. As others have suggested, having multiple

screen readers available is a good situation to be in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: having multiple webpages opened when using NVDA?

 

hi.
its a command of firefox and maybe other web browsers to open multiple
web pages in one window, (i mean tab browsing).
its not a command of any screen reader, but browsers support tab
browsing and you can select to open new pages in a new tab or new
windo.

On 4/20/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
I would venture to say that if it involves the insert key, it is a
screenreader command.
Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 10:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] having multiple webpages opened when using NVDA?

A big shout out to Gene, Jonathan, & Sylvie for all reinforcing the
importance of knowing the difference between application program or Windows
OS keyboard shortcuts and screen reader shortcuts.

When shortcuts "are your life" (and even when they aren't) it's very easy to
lose track of which shortcuts are processed by what layer - screen reader,
program, or OS - but knowing which it is can really make your life much
easier. The CTRL+T for "open new tab" command is universal, or very nearly
so [as I've not hit an exception yet], within all web browsers.

A huge number of the keyboard shortcuts that any of use use are Windows OS
keyboard shortcuts. Microsoft now has a great page documenting same which
allows you to choose which version of Windows you wish to get them for via a
dropdown box near the very top of the page: Windows Keyboard
Shortcuts<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keyboard-shortcuts>.
While the old tried and true ones from all prior versions of Windows
remain unchanged, there are a number of new ones, mostly using WinKey plus
something, but a few others as well, that are new to Windows 10.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299 (dot level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

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opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

~ Niels Bohr





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with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
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from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Afik Suffir <afik.sofir@...>
 

b.h
hello,
I agree with all of you here, every screen reader have its fetuares.
I have a question: does NVDA have screen curtain fetuare?
Thanks and best wishes
Afik Suffir
Btw, sorry for the errors.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 3:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

I use JAWS extensively for its excellent braille and Microsoft Office
support, but NVDA is improving in these areas. The BrailleExtender add-on is
very good, for example. On my system, at least, with applications such as
Microsoft Outlook, NVDA doesn't seem to crash as JAWS does. Perhaps I've
simply been lucky.

I've noticed some bugs in NVDA 2018.1.1, but, on the other hand, I'm aware
of some JAWS bugs as well. Perhaps I should go to GitHub and report the NVDA
bugs, or raise them on the list.

All of the screen readers that I have used have their advantages and
drawbacks. They all have bugs, too. So do operating systems and
applications, where many of the accessibility issues lie. Choose whatever
combinations best meet your needs. As others have suggested, having multiple
screen readers available is a good situation to be in.


Re: Editing Excel Cells

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Louis,

Pressing F2 to edit cell contents in Excel is a function of Excel itself, rather than the screen reader.  So, yes you can do this with NVDA.  Interesting that you say this functionality no longer works with Jaws, as we have started seeing problems with it in NVDA, so I wonder if it is not something either screen reader has done, but perhaps something Microsoft has done that has broken how we get the information about cells being edited.  For a sighted user, and indeed using NVDA, the functionality appears to work just the same as it ever has, it's just that NVDA reports "unknown" when you press F2, and then does not read the contents of the cell.

We have at least one issue open for this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8146

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 8:32 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...> wrote:
Folks,

I recently migrated from JAWS to NVDA.  In JAWS, a user can edit an Excel cell by putting the cursor on the cell and hitting f2.  Recently this functionality disappeared from JAWS; however, with today's release (J2018.1804.26) this functionality has returned.

Does NVDA have an Excel cell editing method?


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@...







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Re: Urgently need help (word 2010)

Quentin Christensen
 

I realised after I replied that shift+a currently does not work.  I submitted an issue for this, but to my knowledge, we haven't got a solution as yet: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7342

Re other manuals, yes, I'm planning Outlook and PowerPoint at the moment.  I was hoping to write at least one of those last year, but got caught up with other projects.

Quentin.

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 12:04 AM, <prem.translator@...> wrote:
Hello again Quentin,
There is the other problem.
In some part of the document with table, I can go only to the next annotation, but unable to go back to the previous one. As far as I try, the problem happen in column three of both roll two and three. I'm not sure whether there will be the problem like this in other part or not.




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