Hey all,
I am enjoying this thread.  I don't see any need or reason to insist that one screenreader is inherently better overall than another.  They each may work better for different tasks or one just may find one easier to use than another.  In my case, I use nvda most, but have relied on jaws for working with pdf documents, as I find for me it seems to be a bit easier to manipulate.  I will sometimes try narrator as well, it is so nice to have choices.  It's just like with phones or computers, it's preference and/or tailoring to what specific task you need a screenreader for.  I'm personally apprecitive of microsoft, vfo and nv access for all their hard work.

On Apr 19, 2018 5:11 PM, "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

It's worth pointing out that, although Window-eyes will become increasingly less useful over time, it still would be worth keeping around because you might find something it does better than JAWS or NVDA.  Just because it is no longer updated doesn't mean it may not be useful for certain tasks.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:42 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Indeed.

It's exactly the same as choosing a web browser - there is no single "best"
choice.  Some people prefer Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera, or whatever;
sometimes one works with a particular website better than others; some have
features which you don't often need but are really useful on occasion.

So, having several web browsers installed so you can choose which one to use
at any given time is good; the same thing goes for screen readers - there is
no single "best" choice, it depends on what you're trying to do, and sometimes
what you feel most comfortable / familiar with.


Antony.

On Thursday 19 April 2018 at 23:34:30, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

> After following this thread, I’ve decided to put in my 1.5 cents.  (smile)
>
> As a blind person who has used a computer for a long time with many
> different screen readers, I feel that one can never have too many.  Some
> things JAWS is better at than NVDA and vice versa.  I’ve actually had to
> switch between screen readers in the middle of performing a task on the
> web simply because one will work and the other won’t for one specific part
> of a task.  Thanks for reading.
>
> Dan K

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Which software are you talking about?

Your email recommends using something, but does not say what.

Where can we find out what it is and more information about it?

Antony.

On Monday 16 April 2018 at 23:33:35, abdul muhamin wrote:

> Hi, I strongly suggest you to use.

> this software

> it may assist you better

> Regards, Chief content officer at BlindHelp.net

>

> From: Bhavya shah

> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 2:27 AM

> To: nvda; main; blindtech; keyboardusers

> Subject: [nvda] Accessible Screen Recording Software

>

> Dear all,

> For a certain purpose, I am in need of an accessible screen capturing

> and recording software for my Windows 8.1 powered laptop. According to

> my preliminary research, some recommended accessible programs for this

> purpose include Camtasia, Open Broadcasting Software and WebInAria. I

> have perfunctorily read about or tried each of these software and

> following is a summary of my present knowledge:

> Camtasia: I have installed the huge software’s free trial for now. I

> seem unable to find any self-explanatorily worded option to start a

> screen recording, am just Tabbing around the interface through the

> different options and some unlabelled toggle buttons, and am uncertain

> as to how I should proceed from this point.

> Open Broadcasting Software: I have seen a blind individual

> recommending OBS Classic, which fork of this software is now

> deprecated according to the developer’s website. Should I still try

> out OBS Classic, or is the newer OBS studio accessible?

> WebInAria: This software seems to have no dedicated website of its

> own, the number and quality of ratings it has received on software

> hosting sites are low, and it seems like this program hasn’t been

> updated in several years now.

> I would deeply appreciate it if you could either shed some light on

> the above-mentioned software, or alternatively suggest other

> accessible screen capturing and recording software that are usable

> with a screen reader, especially NVDA.

> Thanks.

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Hi,

Thanks to everyone for the help about setting this new computer up.
Because of some mishaps, we weren't able to try the install on our own,
but it got done. Now, I have a question. I used to have and use
Microsoft Word. Loved it, but when I tried to install it, I was told my
keys had already been used, so I'm going to try Open Office. I
downloaded it and am now lost. What is the section that is similar to
Word for Open Office or did I download the wrong thing? Probably,
knowing me. LOL I know this topic was covered fairly recently and I'm
sorry, but those messages are gone and I had saved them or thought I did
in case I had to do this. Please help and sorry for not being better
organized. Thanks.

It would be excellent when more companies would colaborate with NV
Access to make their desktop apps accessible with NVDA.


19.4.2018. u 22:35, bob jutzi je napisao/la:

I did neglect to give an example, Quicken.
I used Quicken from 2000-13 with Window-eyes. Since the
discontinuation of Window-eyes, had I continued using it rather than
switching to my bank's iOS app, this would require me to use JAWS
since unfortunately, NVDA doesn't support Quicken enough to make it
useable.

On 4/19/2018 3:41 PM, bob jutzi wrote:

I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly
a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it. Along with
supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes,
Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive. No
offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a
ridiculous upgrade price tag. It's not like it's still the 90's and
Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.

Bob



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:

Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only
since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web
navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no
need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because
they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:

Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I m using JAWS as my
primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the
first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in
using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been
using it as my secondary screen reader!
I m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS
specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I d like to request you to please comment about my
observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@aol.com
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
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Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:

Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@aol.com
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

It would be excellent when more companies would colaborate with NV
Access to make their desktop apps accessible with NVDA.


19.4.2018. u 22:35, bob jutzi je napisao/la:

I did neglect to give an example, Quicken.
I used Quicken from 2000-13 with Window-eyes. Since the
discontinuation of Window-eyes, had I continued using it rather than
switching to my bank's iOS app, this would require me to use JAWS
since unfortunately, NVDA doesn't support Quicken enough to make it
useable.

On 4/19/2018 3:41 PM, bob jutzi wrote:

I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly
a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it. Along with
supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes,
Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive. No
offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a
ridiculous upgrade price tag. It's not like it's still the 90's and
Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.

Bob



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:

Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only
since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web
navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no
need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because
they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:

Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my
primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the
first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in
using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been
using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS
specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my
observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@aol.com
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

Also, the key command:
ALT+X opens the settings and more menu, found on the top where the address bar is.
Arrow up to settings, and enter, and you can customize all settings very easily.
You can do a lot with ALT+X.
Have a great one!
David Moore
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 9:03 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge
Alt-D drops you in the address bar. From here you can also tab or
shift-tab to find other menu options.
On 4/19/2018 8:17 PM, David Mehler wrote:

> Hello,

>

> For users of edge how do you use it? I am wanting to try it but have

> no idea how to proceed there's no menu I don't see an interface. I'm

> also wondering the advantages of edge vs. ie11/firefox/chrome?

>

> I am enjoying this thread.

>

> Thanks.

> Dave.

>

>

> On 4/19/18, David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com> wrote:

>> That is great!

>> Also, Edge has a built in reading feature, where all the clutter is gone

>> from the page, leaving just the article. It works like Just read in
Chrome.

>> To activate it, just press CTRL+Shift+R.

>> David Moore

>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>>

>> From: bob jutzi

>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:01 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge

>>

>> Thanks. Am checking into Edge as it's rather interesting. I love the

>> Continue on PC feature.

>>

>> On 4/19/2018 7:50 PM, David Moore wrote:

>>> Hi!

>>>

>>> NVDA is faster in Edge, you can open PDFs and Epub books, and you can

>>> save or back your favorites as an html file.

>>>

>>> Also, Edge loads pages for me, much faster than the later versions of

>>> firefox.

>>>

>>> Have a great one, by the way, I use Chrome, most of the time, it works

>>> much better, in my opinion, than the latest versions of firefox.

>>>

>>> David Moore

>>>

>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

>>> Windows 10

>>>

>>> *From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@gmail.com>

>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:26 PM

>>> *To: *nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

>>> *Subject: *[nvda] nvda and Edge

>>>

>>> I am running the latest NVDA master along with Fall Creaters update of

>>>

>>> Win10 and finally decided to check out Edge. I do have a few
questions.

>>>

>>> For those of us who are blind, what advantages does Edge have over

>>> Firefox?

>>>

>>> Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to backup Favorites unless this is

>>>

>>> managed through Syncing. I am already logged into my Microsoft
account.

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

On Apr 20, 2018, at 3:39 AM, Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@gmail.com> wrote:

very well said: good analysis of things.



Il 19/04/2018 21:43, Gene ha scritto:

There are some uses for which JAWS is better. My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do. But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need. A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.

And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better.

It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS. that isn't a proper view. for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior. but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways. It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@aol.com
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

There are some uses for which JAWS is better. My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do. But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need. A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.

And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better.

It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS. that isn't a proper view. for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior. but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways. It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@aol.com
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

It would be excellent when more companies would colaborate with NV Access to make their desktop apps accessible with NVDA.


19.4.2018. u 22:35, bob jutzi je napisao/la:

I did neglect to give an example, Quicken.
I used Quicken from 2000-13 with Window-eyes.  Since the discontinuation of Window-eyes, had I continued using it rather than switching to my bank's iOS app, this would require me to use JAWS since unfortunately, NVDA doesn't support Quicken enough to make it useable.

On 4/19/2018 3:41 PM, bob jutzi wrote:

I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it.  Along with supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes, Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive.  No offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a ridiculous upgrade price tag.  It's not like it's still the 90's and Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.

Bob



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:

Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:

Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@aol.com
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

Hey all,
I am enjoying this thread. I don't see any need or reason to insist that
one screenreader is inherently better overall than another. They each may
work better for different tasks or one just may find one easier to use than
another. In my case, I use nvda most, but have relied on jaws for working
with pdf documents, as I find for me it seems to be a bit easier to
manipulate. I will sometimes try narrator as well, it is so nice to have
choices. It's just like with phones or computers, it's preference and/or
tailoring to what specific task you need a screenreader for. I'm
personally apprecitive of microsoft, vfo and nv access for all their hard
work.

On Apr 19, 2018 5:11 PM, "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

It's worth pointing out that, although Window-eyes will become increasingly
less useful over time, it still would be worth keeping around because you
might find something it does better than JAWS or NVDA. Just because it is
no longer updated doesn't mean it may not be useful for certain tasks.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
*Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:42 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Indeed.

It's exactly the same as choosing a web browser - there is no single "best"
choice. Some people prefer Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera, or whatever;
sometimes one works with a particular website better than others; some have
features which you don't often need but are really useful on occasion.

So, having several web browsers installed so you can choose which one to
use
at any given time is good; the same thing goes for screen readers - there
is
no single "best" choice, it depends on what you're trying to do, and
sometimes
what you feel most comfortable / familiar with.


Antony.

On Thursday 19 April 2018 at 23:34:30, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

After following this thread, I’ve decided to put in my 1.5 cents. (smile)

As a blind person who has used a computer for a long time with many
different screen readers, I feel that one can never have too many. Some
things JAWS is better at than NVDA and vice versa. I’ve actually had to
switch between screen readers in the middle of performing a task on the
web simply because one will work and the other won’t for one specific part
of a task. Thanks for reading.

Dan K

Exactly!

I use NVDA for many tasks, JAWS for many tasks, and even Narrator for other tasks. Each screen reader has its own specialties to be better in different apps, the web, and desktop programs. JAWS does a little better in Chrome, for example. NVDA does great in the win10 mail app. Narrator does very well in the Store app and Skype app. I use all screen readers to be as fast as I can and get the most done. I am not loyal to one screen reader like my wife LOL! The more tools you have, the more you can do. I use three browsers, for example, to do different tasks. Have a great one!

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Ashley Wayne <mailto:a.r.wayne2008@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 7:25 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Hey all,
I am enjoying this thread.  I don't see any need or reason to insist that one screenreader is inherently better overall than another.  They each may work better for different tasks or one just may find one easier to use than another.  In my case, I use nvda most, but have relied on jaws for working with pdf documents, as I find for me it seems to be a bit easier to manipulate.  I will sometimes try narrator as well, it is so nice to have choices.  It's just like with phones or computers, it's preference and/or tailoring to what specific task you need a screenreader for.  I'm personally apprecitive of microsoft, vfo and nv access for all their hard work.

On Apr 19, 2018 5:11 PM, "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:

It's worth pointing out that, although Window-eyes will become
increasingly less useful over time, it still would be worth
keeping around because you might find something it does better
than JAWS or NVDA.  Just because it is no longer updated doesn't
mean it may not be useful for certain tasks.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>

*Sent:*Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:42 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Indeed.

It's exactly the same as choosing a web browser - there is no
single "best"
choice.  Some people prefer Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera, or
whatever;
sometimes one works with a particular website better than others;
some have
features which you don't often need but are really useful on occasion.

So, having several web browsers installed so you can choose which
one to use
at any given time is good; the same thing goes for screen readers
- there is
no single "best" choice, it depends on what you're trying to do,
and sometimes
what you feel most comfortable / familiar with.


Antony.

On Thursday 19 April 2018 at 23:34:30, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

> After following this thread, I’ve decided to put in my 1.5
cents.  (smile)
>
> As a blind person who has used a computer for a long time with many
> different screen readers, I feel that one can never have too
many.  Some
> things JAWS is better at than NVDA and vice versa.  I’ve
actually had to
> switch between screen readers in the middle of performing a task
on the
> web simply because one will work and the other won’t for one
specific part
> of a task.  Thanks for reading.
>
> Dan K

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Hi!

NVDA is faster in Edge, you can open PDFs and Epub books, and you can save or back your favorites as an html file.

Also, Edge loads pages for me, much faster than the later versions of firefox.

Have a great one, by the way, I use Chrome, most of the time, it works much better, in my opinion, than the latest versions of firefox.

David Moore

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*From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:26 PM
*To: *nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] nvda and Edge

I am running the latest NVDA master along with Fall Creaters update of

Win10 and finally decided to check out Edge.  I do have a few questions.

For those of us who are blind, what advantages does Edge have over Firefox?

Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to backup Favorites unless this is

managed through Syncing.  I am already logged into my Microsoft account.

I did neglect to give an example, Quicken.
I used Quicken from 2000-13 with Window-eyes.  Since the discontinuation of Window-eyes, had I continued using it rather than switching to my bank's iOS app, this would require me to use JAWS since unfortunately, NVDA doesn't support Quicken enough to make it useable.

On 4/19/2018 3:41 PM, bob jutzi wrote:

I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it.  Along with supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes, Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive.  No offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a ridiculous upgrade price tag.  It's not like it's still the 90's and Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.

Bob



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:

Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:

Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
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At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
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That's true. Although JAWS does have tools which I use at work such as Text Analyzer, skim reading, etc. Skim reading is in NVDA and I think Text Amalyzer could as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 12:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since
last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation,
checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need
for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do
not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:

Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@aol.com
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

Alt-D drops you in the address bar.   From here you can also tab or

shift-tab to find other menu options.

On 4/19/2018 8:17 PM, David Mehler wrote:

> Hello,

>

> For users of edge how do you use it? I am wanting to try it but have

> no idea how to proceed there's no menu I don't see an interface. I'm

> also wondering the advantages of edge vs. ie11/firefox/chrome?

>

> I am enjoying this thread.

>

> Thanks.

> Dave.

>

>

> On 4/19/18, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

>> That is great!

>> Also, Edge has a built in reading feature, where all the clutter is gone

>> from the page, leaving just the article. It works like Just read in Chrome.

>> To activate it, just press CTRL+Shift+R.

>> David Moore

>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>> 

>> From: bob jutzi

>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:01 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge

>> 

>> Thanks.  Am checking into Edge as it's rather interesting.  I love the

>> Continue on PC feature.

>> 

>> On 4/19/2018 7:50 PM, David Moore wrote:

>>> Hi!

>>> 

>>> NVDA is faster in Edge, you can open PDFs and Epub books, and you can

>>> save or back your favorites as an html file.

>>> 

>>> Also, Edge loads pages for me, much faster than the later versions of

>>> firefox.

>>> 

>>> Have a great one, by the way, I use Chrome, most of the time, it works

>>> much better, in my opinion, than the latest versions of firefox.

>>> 

>>> David Moore

>>> 

>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

>>> Windows 10

>>> 

>>> *From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>

>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:26 PM

>>> *To: *nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

>>> *Subject: *[nvda] nvda and Edge

>>> 

>>> I am running the latest NVDA master along with Fall Creaters update of

>>> 

>>> Win10 and finally decided to check out Edge.  I do have a few questions.

>>> 

>>> For those of us who are blind, what advantages does Edge have over

>>> Firefox?

>>> 

>>> Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to backup Favorites unless this is

>>> 

>>> managed through Syncing.  I am already logged into my Microsoft account.

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

>

>

b.h

hello,

I agree with all of you here, every screen reader have its fetuares.

I have a question: does NVDA have screen curtain fetuare?

Thanks and best wishes

Afik Suffir

Btw, sorry for the errors.

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason

White via Groups.Io

Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 3:44 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

I use JAWS extensively for its excellent braille and Microsoft Office

support, but NVDA is improving in these areas. The BrailleExtender add-on is

very good, for example. On my system, at least, with applications such as

Microsoft Outlook, NVDA doesn't seem to crash as JAWS does. Perhaps I've

simply been lucky.

I've noticed some bugs in NVDA 2018.1.1, but, on the other hand, I'm aware

of some JAWS bugs as well. Perhaps I should go to GitHub and report the NVDA

bugs, or raise them on the list.

All of the screen readers that I have used have their advantages and

drawbacks. They all have bugs, too. So do operating systems and

applications, where many of the accessibility issues lie. Choose whatever

combinations best meet your needs. As others have suggested, having multiple

screen readers available is a good situation to be in.