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NVDA and OCR

bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

Jaws 2018 OCR has the option of either performing OCR on-screen or from a scanner which is rather cool. Is there any possibility scanner support could be added to NVDA's OCR?


Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Gene
 

No, there is a route mouse command and a click command.  You don't have to move a physical mouse.  Once you move the review position where you want it to be, you route the virtual mouse and then you click it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: john s
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Gene, you mean, one has to click the physical mouse?  The WE mouse is so much faster, but I may have to switch to NVDA, sometime.

At 09:41 AM 4/20/2018, Gene, wrote:
Rather than explain it, which involves not just explaining how to route and click the simulated mouse, you have to know the3 NVDA review keys, 2which use the numpad.  You first use the review keys, then when the review position is where you want the mouse you route the mouse to that position and click it.  the various review modes and the review keys are explained in a tutorial which is very well thought of.  You can download either the entire tutorial or only the sections you want here:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
 
You will see links to all the sections and a link at the end to a zip version of the entire tutorial.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: john s
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 5:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Don, I'm still using WE with win 7.  The thing which makes me
hesitate to another screen reader is I don't what would replace the
WE mouse keys.  What did you do with NVDA to replace that function?

At 03:38 PM 4/19/2018, Don H, wrote:
>I started using NVDA after the demise of Window Eyes.  I also got
>the free Jaws when it was offered.  I found NVDA much easier to use
>over Jaws and use NVDA as my prime screen reader.  Just hope that
>there is no way that VFO can swallow up NVDA as it did Window Eyes.
>
>
>

                 John


                 John


Re: nvda and Edge

bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

It's under View in Firefox, an can be accessed by Alt-D then tabbing over to it in Edge.

On 4/20/2018 3:08 PM, The Wolf wrote:
what is the read command for both firefox and chrome?
On 4/20/2018 6:33 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, Firefox has the equivalent of reader mode. As I recall, it's in the view menu.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>
*Sent:* Friday, April 20, 2018 4:47 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge

Sounds good. I was able to enter Reader Mode by ALlt-D then tabbing
over to it.

On 4/20/2018 3:40 AM, David Moore wrote:
Also, the key command:

ALT+X opens the settings and more menu, found on the top where the
address bar is.

Arrow up to settings, and enter, and you can customize all settings
very
easily.

You can do a lot with ALT+X.

Have a great one!

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>
*Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 9:03 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:*nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge

Alt-D drops you in the address bar. From here you can also tab or

shift-tab to find other menu options.

On 4/19/2018 8:17 PM, David Mehler wrote:

> Hello,

>

> For users of edge how do you use it? I am wanting to try it but have

> no idea how to proceed there's no menu I don't see an interface. I'm

> also wondering the advantages of edge vs. ie11/firefox/chrome?

>

> I am enjoying this thread.

>

> Thanks.

> Dave.

>

>

> On 4/19/18, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...
<mailto:jesusloves1966@...>> wrote:

>> That is great!

>> Also, Edge has a built in reading feature, where all the clutter
is gone

>> from the page, leaving just the article. It works like Just read in
Chrome.

>> To activate it, just press CTRL+Shift+R.

>> David Moore

>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>>

>> From: bob jutzi

>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:01 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge

>>

>> Thanks. Am checking into Edge as it's rather interesting. I
love the

>> Continue on PC feature.

>>

>> On 4/19/2018 7:50 PM, David Moore wrote:

>>> Hi!

>>>

>>> NVDA is faster in Edge, you can open PDFs and Epub books, and
you can

>>> save or back your favorites as an html file.

>>>

>>> Also, Edge loads pages for me, much faster than the later
versions of

>>> firefox.

>>>

>>> Have a great one, by the way, I use Chrome, most of the time,
it works

>>> much better, in my opinion, than the latest versions of firefox.

>>>

>>> David Moore

>>>

>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

>>> Windows 10

>>>

>>> *From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>

>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:26 PM

>>> *To: *nvda@groups.io <mailto:*nvda@groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@groups.io>

>>> *Subject: *[nvda] nvda and Edge

>>>

>>> I am running the latest NVDA master along with Fall Creaters
update of

>>>

>>> Win10 and finally decided to check out Edge. I do have a few
questions.

>>>

>>> For those of us who are blind, what advantages does Edge have over

>>> Firefox?

>>>

>>> Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to backup Favorites unless
this is

>>>

>>> managed through Syncing. I am already logged into my Microsoft
account.

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>


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Re: nvda and Edge

 

what is the read command for both firefox and chrome?


On 4/20/2018 6:33 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, Firefox has the equivalent of reader mode.  As I recall, it's in the view menu.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge

Sounds good.  I was able to enter Reader Mode by ALlt-D then tabbing
over to it.

On 4/20/2018 3:40 AM, David Moore wrote:
> Also, the key command:
>
> ALT+X opens the settings and more menu, found on the top where the
> address bar is.
>
> Arrow up to settings, and enter, and you can customize all settings very
> easily.
>
> You can do a lot with ALT+X.
>
> Have a great one!
>
> David Moore
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 9:03 PM
> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge
>
> Alt-D drops you in the address bar.   From here you can also tab or
>
> shift-tab to find other menu options.
>
> On 4/19/2018 8:17 PM, David Mehler wrote:
>
>  > Hello,
>
>  >
>
>  > For users of edge how do you use it? I am wanting to try it but have
>
>  > no idea how to proceed there's no menu I don't see an interface. I'm
>
>  > also wondering the advantages of edge vs. ie11/firefox/chrome?
>
>  >
>
>  > I am enjoying this thread.
>
>  >
>
>  > Thanks.
>
>  > Dave.
>
>  >
>
>  >
>
>  > On 4/19/18, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:
>
>  >> That is great!
>
>  >> Also, Edge has a built in reading feature, where all the clutter is gone
>
>  >> from the page, leaving just the article. It works like Just read in
> Chrome.
>
>  >> To activate it, just press CTRL+Shift+R.
>
>  >> David Moore
>
>  >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>  >>
>
>  >> From: bob jutzi
>
>  >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:01 PM
>
>  >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
>  >> Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge
>
>  >>
>
>  >> Thanks.  Am checking into Edge as it's rather interesting.  I love the
>
>  >> Continue on PC feature.
>
>  >>
>
>  >> On 4/19/2018 7:50 PM, David Moore wrote:
>
>  >>> Hi!
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> NVDA is faster in Edge, you can open PDFs and Epub books, and you can
>
>  >>> save or back your favorites as an html file.
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Also, Edge loads pages for me, much faster than the later versions of
>
>  >>> firefox.
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Have a great one, by the way, I use Chrome, most of the time, it works
>
>  >>> much better, in my opinion, than the latest versions of firefox.
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> David Moore
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>
>  >>> Windows 10
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> *From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>
>
>  >>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:26 PM
>
>  >>> *To: *nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>
>  >>> *Subject: *[nvda] nvda and Edge
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> I am running the latest NVDA master along with Fall Creaters update of
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Win10 and finally decided to check out Edge.  I do have a few
> questions.
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> For those of us who are blind, what advantages does Edge have over
>
>  >>> Firefox?
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to backup Favorites unless this is
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> managed through Syncing.  I am already logged into my Microsoft
> account.
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>
>
>  >>
>
>  >>
>
>  >>
>
>  >>
>
>  >>
>
>  >
>
>  >
>
>  >
>
>  >
>
>




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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

john s
 

Gene, you mean, one has to click the physical mouse?  The WE mouse is so much faster, but I may have to switch to NVDA, sometime.


At 09:41 AM 4/20/2018, Gene, wrote:
Rather than explain it, which involves not just explaining how to route and click the simulated mouse, you have to know the3 NVDA review keys, 2which use the numpad.  You first use the review keys, then when the review position is where you want the mouse you route the mouse to that position and click it.  the various review modes and the review keys are explained in a tutorial which is very well thought of.  You can download either the entire tutorial or only the sections you want here:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
 
You will see links to all the sections and a link at the end to a zip version of the entire tutorial.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: john s
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 5:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Don, I'm still using WE with win 7.  The thing which makes me
hesitate to another screen reader is I don't what would replace the
WE mouse keys.  What did you do with NVDA to replace that function?

At 03:38 PM 4/19/2018, Don H, wrote:
>I started using NVDA after the demise of Window Eyes.  I also got
>the free Jaws when it was offered.  I found NVDA much easier to use
>over Jaws and use NVDA as my prime screen reader.  Just hope that
>there is no way that VFO can swallow up NVDA as it did Window Eyes.
>
>
>

                 John


                 John


setting headings on google sheets

UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu
 

hello,
I use ctrl shift c and r to add collomn and row headings in excel but I couldn't figure out a way to do it with google sheets. is there any way?
I use NVDA 18.1
Best regards


Re: What is skim reading in NVDA!!!

 

its a very useful feature which i enabled it.
when i navigate by heading, when skim reading is enabled,
i press h and find my desire heading without losing sayAll.
i navigate by h for example and find my desire heading, while sayAll
still works and does not stop.

On 4/20/18, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...> wrote:
Is something similar to use left and right shift when reading with say
all in JAWS to skip text.
Basically, with that option enabled, you can start read all and use the
move by paragraph commands (ctrl and and down arrow) to move by
paragraph without stop the read, same if you use h to move to headers, t
to tables, etc etc.

Regards,
mk.
El 20/04/2018 a las 12:43, Arun Gaalla escribió:

What is skim reading in NVDA and how does it work??? Thanks in advance….

Arun

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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

 

Yes, it's great that we have choices as far as screen readers. One time I was trying to fill out a survey for Microsoft and NVDA didn't see all the edit fields. I used system access to go to fill the survey out and it worked beautifully.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 6:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

 

    My friend tried to read an on line menu he first tried jaws and he could not read it but when he tried nvda he was able to read it.  His primary screen reader is jaws but for certain things like this he will use nvda.  I only have nvda as my only screen reader.  There is most definatly alot of profe that having more than one screen reader can be very benificial to us.  There is not one screen reader that will read everything that would be nice but that just a dream.

Brian Sackrider

 

On 4/19/2018 7:25 PM, Ashley Wayne wrote:

Hey all,
I am enjoying this thread.  I don't see any need or reason to insist that one screenreader is inherently better overall than another.  They each may work better for different tasks or one just may find one easier to use than another.  In my case, I use nvda most, but have relied on jaws for working with pdf documents, as I find for me it seems to be a bit easier to manipulate.  I will sometimes try narrator as well, it is so nice to have choices.  It's just like with phones or computers, it's preference and/or tailoring to what specific task you need a screenreader for.  I'm personally apprecitive of microsoft, vfo and nv access for all their hard work.

 

On Apr 19, 2018 5:11 PM, "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

It's worth pointing out that, although Window-eyes will become increasingly less useful over time, it still would be worth keeping around because you might find something it does better than JAWS or NVDA.  Just because it is no longer updated doesn't mean it may not be useful for certain tasks.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

 

Indeed.

It's exactly the same as choosing a web browser - there is no single "best"
choice.  Some people prefer Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera, or whatever;
sometimes one works with a particular website better than others; some have
features which you don't often need but are really useful on occasion.

So, having several web browsers installed so you can choose which one to use
at any given time is good; the same thing goes for screen readers - there is
no single "best" choice, it depends on what you're trying to do, and sometimes
what you feel most comfortable / familiar with.


Antony.

On Thursday 19 April 2018 at 23:34:30, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

> After following this thread, I’ve decided to put in my 1.5 cents.  (smile)
>
> As a blind person who has used a computer for a long time with many
> different screen readers, I feel that one can never have too many.  Some
> things JAWS is better at than NVDA and vice versa.  I’ve actually had to
> switch between screen readers in the middle of performing a task on the
> web simply because one will work and the other won’t for one specific part
> of a task.  Thanks for reading.
>
> Dan K

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Re: What is skim reading in NVDA!!!

mk360
 

Is something similar to use left and right shift when reading with say all in JAWS to skip text.
Basically, with that option enabled, you can start read all and use the move by paragraph commands (ctrl and and down arrow) to move by paragraph without stop the read, same if you use h to move to headers, t to tables, etc etc.

Regards,
mk.

El 20/04/2018 a las 12:43, Arun Gaalla escribió:

What is skim reading in NVDA and how does it work??? Thanks in advance….

 

Arun



What is skim reading in NVDA!!!

Arun Gaalla
 

What is skim reading in NVDA and how does it work??? Thanks in advance….

 

Arun


Re: Editing Excel Cells

Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...>
 

Hello Quentin,

 

I believe you are correct in saying that Microsoft changed something in office that disabled the F2 cell editing capability in Excel.  It took VFO several months to solve this issue. 

 

I looked up the NVDA incident report.  Following the suggestions there, I removed and restored my Office 365.  I still do not have the NVDA F2 cell editing function.

 

I am using NVDA 2018.1.1.

 

Thanks for your information.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 12:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Hi Louis,

 

Pressing F2 to edit cell contents in Excel is a function of Excel itself, rather than the screen reader.  So, yes you can do this with NVDA.  Interesting that you say this functionality no longer works with Jaws, as we have started seeing problems with it in NVDA, so I wonder if it is not something either screen reader has done, but perhaps something Microsoft has done that has broken how we get the information about cells being edited.  For a sighted user, and indeed using NVDA, the functionality appears to work just the same as it ever has, it's just that NVDA reports "unknown" when you press F2, and then does not read the contents of the cell.

 

We have at least one issue open for this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8146

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 8:32 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...> wrote:

Folks,

I recently migrated from JAWS to NVDA.  In JAWS, a user can edit an Excel cell by putting the cursor on the cell and hitting f2.  Recently this functionality disappeared from JAWS; however, with today's release (J2018.1804.26) this functionality has returned.

Does NVDA have an Excel cell editing method?


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@...





 

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Re: Ham radio programs

Ervin, Glenn
 

I have found the best programming software is Chirp.
It is a free program.
I found that it works well in Linux with the Orca screenreader, it does not do the best with Jaws, I'd be interested to see how well NVDA works with Chirp.
I haven't tried because it works so well in Linux.
Glenn

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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 9:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ham radio programs

I have a proper Icom radio for this, but increasingly with modern
appliances, interference is an issue.There are a lot of SDRs on the web, but
I've had little luck in the past trying to make them work correctly with a
screenreader. What do they use, Java or what?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Kaplan" <igorkaplan45@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 12:39 PM
Subject: [nvda] Ham radio programs


Hi Angelo,

Don't mean to change the topic, however since you mentioned about ham
programs would like to ask you, which ham programs you use? I am not a ham
operator, however like to listen the ham radio and DX stations.

Many thanks.

Igor

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angelo
Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 6:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

I use both NVDA and Jaws, and for the most part they both work equally well.
There are some programs that work better with Jaws, and many program that
work better with NVDA.
QuickBooks works well with NVDA and so do many of the ham radio programs I
use.
Jaws has the advantage with the office suite, but for most people NVDA and
office work well.

Occasionally I find software that will only behave with Narrator, but
Narrator is not ready for prime time.
Stay Well.

73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Yes, but we can find apps which are not accesible using Jaws also: this
depends more on the producer of a specific software rather than nvaccess.

So, I agree on what you say , but this applies to Jaws also.

Il 20/04/2018 10:06, Tea Turkovic ha scritto:
It would be excellent when more companies would colaborate with NV
Access to make their desktop apps accessible with NVDA.


19.4.2018. u 22:35, bob jutzi je napisao/la:
I did neglect to give an example, Quicken.
I used Quicken from 2000-13 with Window-eyes. Since the
discontinuation of Window-eyes, had I continued using it rather than
switching to my bank's iOS app, this would require me to use JAWS
since unfortunately, NVDA doesn't support Quicken enough to make it
useable.

On 4/19/2018 3:41 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly
a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it. Along with
supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes,
Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive. No
offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a
ridiculous upgrade price tag. It's not like it's still the 90's and
Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.

Bob



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only
since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web
navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no
need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because
they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I m using JAWS as my
primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the
first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in
using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been
using it as my secondary screen reader!
I m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS
specially in the area of accessibility!
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Re: nvda and Edge

Gene
 

If the site functions without JAVA script, not allowing them to run would solve the problem.  But I don't know if the site works when scripts are disabled.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge

I find that for example any ad blocker now cripples the useful file hippo
update check utility. This is because it seems to be put on screen as if it
was an advert from another server. I've tried to allow it but that failed.
The only way to get this is to turn off your ad blocker in firefox it seems.
 It never used to be this way, so either the ad blockers are too smart for
their own good or file hippo has  hobbled the feature if you do not allow
ads, but allowing ads on their platform slows it down and makes it very hard
to download what you want as apposed to try me come on  adverts.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge


Whatever is blocking things, the feature should be able to be turned off and
perhaps what it blocks, modified.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 3:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge


Thanks David for all the tips on Edge.


I use Firefox a lot; I don't seem to experience the issues many others
are reporting here. It's still very fast on my machine, but it's become
a lot more cumbersome, and tends to block too much stuff totally
unrequested.


I mostly use Chrome, and definitely Edge for pdf and epub files, because
it retains links, which Qread doesn't do.


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 20/04/2018 01:50, David Moore ha scritto:
>
> Hi!
>
> NVDA is faster in Edge, you can open PDFs and Epub books, and you can
> save or back your favorites as an html file.
>
> Also, Edge loads pages for me, much faster than the later versions of
> firefox.
>
> Have a great one, by the way, I use Chrome, most of the time, it works
> much better, in my opinion, than the latest versions of firefox.
>
> David Moore
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:26 PM
> *To: *nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
> *Subject: *[nvda] nvda and Edge
>
> I am running the latest NVDA master along with Fall Creaters update of
>
> Win10 and finally decided to check out Edge.  I do have a few questions.
>
> For those of us who are blind, what advantages does Edge have over
> Firefox?
>
> Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to backup Favorites unless this is
>
> managed through Syncing.  I am already logged into my Microsoft account.
>
>








Re: Word Processor?

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Y ou could temporariliy use Jarte or even purchase the full version, but I'm not sure whether it will fullfillyour needs as its not huge like office is.
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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 12:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] Word Processor?


Hi,

Thanks to everyone for the help about setting this new computer up. Because of some mishaps, we weren't able to try the install on our own, but it got done. Now, I have a question. I used to have and use Microsoft Word. Loved it, but when I tried to install it, I was told my keys had already been used, so I'm going to try Open Office. I downloaded it and am now lost. What is the section that is similar to Word for Open Office or did I download the wrong thing? Probably, knowing me. LOL I know this topic was covered fairly recently and I'm sorry, but those messages are gone and I had saved them or thought I did in case I had to do this. Please help and sorry for not being better organized. Thanks.



Re: Word Processor?

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Its called Writer. However I'd v
be very tempted to contact Microsoft and explain the issue you had and they have, in the past allowed a couple of extra installs for blind users.
Obviously you would need the details when they ask and they may want to go into your machine themselves, something I'm always wary of with sighted people!
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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 12:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] Word Processor?


Hi,

Thanks to everyone for the help about setting this new computer up. Because of some mishaps, we weren't able to try the install on our own, but it got done. Now, I have a question. I used to have and use Microsoft Word. Loved it, but when I tried to install it, I was told my keys had already been used, so I'm going to try Open Office. I downloaded it and am now lost. What is the section that is similar to Word for Open Office or did I download the wrong thing? Probably, knowing me. LOL I know this topic was covered fairly recently and I'm sorry, but those messages are gone and I had saved them or thought I did in case I had to do this. Please help and sorry for not being better organized. Thanks.



Re: Editing Excel Cells

Ervin, Glenn
 

I would say that it is a screenreader problem, because I started having trouble with it in my Excel 2000.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 12:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Hi Louis,

 

Pressing F2 to edit cell contents in Excel is a function of Excel itself, rather than the screen reader.  So, yes you can do this with NVDA.  Interesting that you say this functionality no longer works with Jaws, as we have started seeing problems with it in NVDA, so I wonder if it is not something either screen reader has done, but perhaps something Microsoft has done that has broken how we get the information about cells being edited.  For a sighted user, and indeed using NVDA, the functionality appears to work just the same as it ever has, it's just that NVDA reports "unknown" when you press F2, and then does not read the contents of the cell.

 

We have at least one issue open for this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8146

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 8:32 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...> wrote:

Folks,

I recently migrated from JAWS to NVDA.  In JAWS, a user can edit an Excel cell by putting the cursor on the cell and hitting f2.  Recently this functionality disappeared from JAWS; however, with today's release (J2018.1804.26) this functionality has returned.

Does NVDA have an Excel cell editing method?


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Re: Ham radio programs

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I have a proper Icom radio for this, but increasingly with modern appliances, interference is an issue.There are a lot of SDRs on the web, but I've had little luck in the past trying to make them work correctly with a screenreader. What do they use, Java or what?

Brian

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From: "Igor Kaplan" <igorkaplan45@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 12:39 PM
Subject: [nvda] Ham radio programs


Hi Angelo,

Don't mean to change the topic, however since you mentioned about ham programs would like to ask you, which ham programs you use? I am not a ham operator, however like to listen the ham radio and DX stations.

Many thanks.

Igor

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 6:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

I use both NVDA and Jaws, and for the most part they both work equally well.
There are some programs that work better with Jaws, and many program that work better with NVDA.
QuickBooks works well with NVDA and so do many of the ham radio programs I use.
Jaws has the advantage with the office suite, but for most people NVDA and office work well.

Occasionally I find software that will only behave with Narrator, but Narrator is not ready for prime time.
Stay Well.

73 N2DYN Angelo

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Yes, but we can find apps which are not accesible using Jaws also: this depends more on the producer of a specific software rather than nvaccess.

So, I agree on what you say , but this applies to Jaws also.

Il 20/04/2018 10:06, Tea Turkovic ha scritto:
It would be excellent when more companies would colaborate with NV
Access to make their desktop apps accessible with NVDA.


19.4.2018. u 22:35, bob jutzi je napisao/la:
I did neglect to give an example, Quicken.
I used Quicken from 2000-13 with Window-eyes. Since the
discontinuation of Window-eyes, had I continued using it rather than
switching to my bank's iOS app, this would require me to use JAWS
since unfortunately, NVDA doesn't support Quicken enough to make it
useable.

On 4/19/2018 3:41 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly
a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it. Along with
supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes,
Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive. No
offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a
ridiculous upgrade price tag. It's not like it's still the 90's and
Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.

Bob



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only
since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web
navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no
need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because
they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I m using JAWS as my
primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the
first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in
using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been
using it as my secondary screen reader!
I m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS
specially in the area of accessibility!
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Ervin, Glenn
 

Jaws has been crashing a lot in Internet Explorer since Jaws 18.
I think a lot of people don't notice it though, because Jaws seems to have also received the ability to restart after a crash.
So I lose speech when loading a page for a while, and before I get to a desktop to restart it it reloads with its usual Jaws startup message.
In the old days, Jaws would crash, but would not come back, we had to relaunch it.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 7:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

I use JAWS extensively for its excellent braille and Microsoft Office support,
but NVDA is improving in these areas. The BrailleExtender add-on is very good,
for example. On my system, at least, with applications such as Microsoft
Outlook, NVDA doesn't seem to crash as JAWS does. Perhaps I've simply been
lucky.

I've noticed some bugs in NVDA 2018.1.1, but, on the other hand, I'm aware of
some JAWS bugs as well. Perhaps I should go to GitHub and report the NVDA
bugs, or raise them on the list.

All of the screen readers that I have used have their advantages and
drawbacks. They all have bugs, too. So do operating systems and applications,
where many of the accessibility issues lie. Choose whatever combinations best
meet your needs. As others have suggested, having multiple screen readers
available is a good situation to be in.


Microsoft Project and Microsoft Visio with NVDA

Charles Coyle <Charles.Coyle@...>
 

Hi,

 

I’m going to need the above software in my role soon (which elements of the software I’m required to use are as yet unclear).

 

Do you happen to know how accessible both Microsoft Project and Visio are with NVDA?

 

Also, are there any useful hints and tips or websites I could access to ensure I’m using the software as effectively as possible?

 

Regards,

 

Charlie


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Re: nvda and Edge

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I find that for example any ad blocker now cripples the useful file hippo update check utility. This is because it seems to be put on screen as if it was an advert from another server. I've tried to allow it but that failed. The only way to get this is to turn off your ad blocker in firefox it seems.
It never used to be this way, so either the ad blockers are too smart for their own good or file hippo has hobbled the feature if you do not allow ads, but allowing ads on their platform slows it down and makes it very hard to download what you want as apposed to try me come on adverts.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge


Whatever is blocking things, the feature should be able to be turned off and perhaps what it blocks, modified.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 3:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge


Thanks David for all the tips on Edge.


I use Firefox a lot; I don't seem to experience the issues many others
are reporting here. It's still very fast on my machine, but it's become
a lot more cumbersome, and tends to block too much stuff totally
unrequested.


I mostly use Chrome, and definitely Edge for pdf and epub files, because
it retains links, which Qread doesn't do.


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 20/04/2018 01:50, David Moore ha scritto:

Hi!

NVDA is faster in Edge, you can open PDFs and Epub books, and you can
save or back your favorites as an html file.

Also, Edge loads pages for me, much faster than the later versions of
firefox.

Have a great one, by the way, I use Chrome, most of the time, it works
much better, in my opinion, than the latest versions of firefox.

David Moore

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*From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>
*Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:26 PM
*To: *nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] nvda and Edge

I am running the latest NVDA master along with Fall Creaters update of

Win10 and finally decided to check out Edge. I do have a few questions.

For those of us who are blind, what advantages does Edge have over
Firefox?

Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to backup Favorites unless this is

managed through Syncing. I am already logged into my Microsoft account.