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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

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I think my issues with tbird are well known here.
1. it uses hard to remember shortcuts nothing like Outlook express
2. It has all accounts in a tree rather than able to be kept separate as with identities in Outlook Express. In my view Microsoft are not really making a like for like program with their windows 10 mail app, and if they really did make one like OE I think many people would use it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS


Hi Group,


Since many people like a pop3/IMAP local mail client and since many of same really miss Outlook Express, many use Thunderbird. I can say categorically that for whatever reason, NVDA runs rings around JAWS in Thunderbird. This is my personal experience as to why I use exclusively NVDA and almost never use JAWS any more.



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
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Call me on my cell numbers:
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+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409



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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Alexander Masic
 

My opinion is if you are using particulary newer aplication and OS. and also only speach, NVDA is good as well as Jaws. There may be better support for some unushual aplications for some type of works in Jaws. And also Jaws is still far better when it comes to Braille. When we talking about braille, there is still mutch leftt for NV-access to improve. Specially now when cheap prailledisplays starts to show up.      


Den 2018-04-21 kl. 06:26, skrev Gene:

I don't know what the person had in mind but I think he was talking about the more or less equivalent of set files in JAWS.  They are called frames and they do roughly what set files do in Window-eyes.  I don't know if there are any technical reasons why NVDA doesn't have the ability to make such things but it is important that this be added unless there are tec hnical reasons against doing so.
 
Also, JAWS has an all setting for the screen echo that NVDA doesn't have.  This is very useful and it is more useful because JAWS allows you to use it with the skip forward and back commands while continuing to read.  I used to use the all setting a long time ago when I used a shell account and used Pine as my e-mail program on the shell account.  screen echo made it possible for me to use Pine with no modifications of anything on my part.  I would move to a new message and open it.  Then I would use the skip forward command, right shift, to skip forward in what was read until I got to what I wanted to hear.  When used with the screen echo set to all, this command and left shift, move back a line, kept reading after you moved.  I would thing such features would be very useful in NVDA.  But others who use newer and other programs would have to comment on whether this combination would be useful.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

I didn't know JAWS allows to easily create specific scripts.  I thought it took some programming skills just like making add ons for nvda does.  The one thing nvda needs is the ability to make something like set files as the old Window Eyes did.  This is something I did a bit.  I needed a bit of sighted help to do some things like positioning the mouse pointer exactly where I wanted it, but once this was done, all I had to do was save those positions, give the thing a name that was associated with the particular program and save it and it was done!  No programming skills needed at all.

Roger







On 4/20/2018 7:29 PM, Kenny wrote:

I agree with your statement.


I just switched over from using the latest build of JAWS 2018 to NVDA 2018.1.1, and I'm quite happy with my decision (Mainly a financial matter for I could no longer afford the $120+ SMA.) Been using JAWS since 1999, so you have an idea on how much money I've spent on it ;P


Took some time for me to adjust my fingers to using NVDA keyboard navigation, but once done it's very responsive, and with the installation of ETI Eloquence; sounds just as good.


The only benefit JAWS has over NVDA is the ability to create application specific scripts easily. JAWS also allowed you to re-assign classes for windows it would improperly define. Really wish NVDA allowed this option for there are several applications I use that it keeps incorrectly treating a listbox as if it was static text.


Other than that, NVDA is definitely on par with JAWS.


On 4/19/2018 3:43 PM, Gene wrote:
There are some uses for which JAWS is better.  My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do.  But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need.  A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.
 
And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better. 
 
It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS.  that isn't a proper view.  for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior.  but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways.  It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
> The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
> So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
> I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
> Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
> Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> AOL:
> charlsdarwin1969@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +1-631-5335683
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
>







Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Gene
 

I don't know what the person had in mind but I think he was talking about the more or less equivalent of set files in JAWS.  They are called frames and they do roughly what set files do in Window-eyes.  I don't know if there are any technical reasons why NVDA doesn't have the ability to make such things but it is important that this be added unless there are tec hnical reasons against doing so.
 
Also, JAWS has an all setting for the screen echo that NVDA doesn't have.  This is very useful and it is more useful because JAWS allows you to use it with the skip forward and back commands while continuing to read.  I used to use the all setting a long time ago when I used a shell account and used Pine as my e-mail program on the shell account.  screen echo made it possible for me to use Pine with no modifications of anything on my part.  I would move to a new message and open it.  Then I would use the skip forward command, right shift, to skip forward in what was read until I got to what I wanted to hear.  When used with the screen echo set to all, this command and left shift, move back a line, kept reading after you moved.  I would thing such features would be very useful in NVDA.  But others who use newer and other programs would have to comment on whether this combination would be useful.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Gene
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

I didn't know JAWS allows to easily create specific scripts.  I thought it took some programming skills just like making add ons for nvda does.  The one thing nvda needs is the ability to make something like set files as the old Window Eyes did.  This is something I did a bit.  I needed a bit of sighted help to do some things like positioning the mouse pointer exactly where I wanted it, but once this was done, all I had to do was save those positions, give the thing a name that was associated with the particular program and save it and it was done!  No programming skills needed at all.

Roger







On 4/20/2018 7:29 PM, Kenny wrote:

I agree with your statement.


I just switched over from using the latest build of JAWS 2018 to NVDA 2018.1.1, and I'm quite happy with my decision (Mainly a financial matter for I could no longer afford the $120+ SMA.) Been using JAWS since 1999, so you have an idea on how much money I've spent on it ;P


Took some time for me to adjust my fingers to using NVDA keyboard navigation, but once done it's very responsive, and with the installation of ETI Eloquence; sounds just as good.


The only benefit JAWS has over NVDA is the ability to create application specific scripts easily. JAWS also allowed you to re-assign classes for windows it would improperly define. Really wish NVDA allowed this option for there are several applications I use that it keeps incorrectly treating a listbox as if it was static text.


Other than that, NVDA is definitely on par with JAWS.


On 4/19/2018 3:43 PM, Gene wrote:
There are some uses for which JAWS is better.  My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do.  But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need.  A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.
 
And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better. 
 
It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS.  that isn't a proper view.  for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior.  but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways.  It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
> The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
> So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
> I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
> Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
> Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> AOL:
> charlsdarwin1969@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +1-631-5335683
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
>






Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Roger Stewart
 

I didn't know JAWS allows to easily create specific scripts.  I thought it took some programming skills just like making add ons for nvda does.  The one thing nvda needs is the ability to make something like set files as the old Window Eyes did.  This is something I did a bit.  I needed a bit of sighted help to do some things like positioning the mouse pointer exactly where I wanted it, but once this was done, all I had to do was save those positions, give the thing a name that was associated with the particular program and save it and it was done!  No programming skills needed at all.

Roger







On 4/20/2018 7:29 PM, Kenny wrote:

I agree with your statement.


I just switched over from using the latest build of JAWS 2018 to NVDA 2018.1.1, and I'm quite happy with my decision (Mainly a financial matter for I could no longer afford the $120+ SMA.) Been using JAWS since 1999, so you have an idea on how much money I've spent on it ;P


Took some time for me to adjust my fingers to using NVDA keyboard navigation, but once done it's very responsive, and with the installation of ETI Eloquence; sounds just as good.


The only benefit JAWS has over NVDA is the ability to create application specific scripts easily. JAWS also allowed you to re-assign classes for windows it would improperly define. Really wish NVDA allowed this option for there are several applications I use that it keeps incorrectly treating a listbox as if it was static text.


Other than that, NVDA is definitely on par with JAWS.


On 4/19/2018 3:43 PM, Gene wrote:
There are some uses for which JAWS is better.  My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do.  But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need.  A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.
 
And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better. 
 
It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS.  that isn't a proper view.  for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior.  but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways.  It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
> The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
> So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
> I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
> Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
> Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> AOL:
> charlsdarwin1969@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +1-631-5335683
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
>






Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

 

Also, you can enter reader view in Firefox without installing any extensions by pressing F9 on the page of the article you want to read. I'm using Firefox Nightly, but I'm pretty sure this works on the stable version as well.

On 4/20/2018 8:54 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
the shortcut is alt+control+r.


On 4/20/2018 4:06 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.

On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all,   as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story.   can someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.







Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

Annette Moore
 

the shortcut is alt+control+r.

On 4/20/2018 4:06 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.

On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all,   as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story.   can someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.





Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

Actually, I did a Google, found the following link, and clicked Add to Chrome so I've got it.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/just-read/dgmanlpmmkibanfdgjocnabmcaclkmod?hl=en

On 4/20/2018 8:43 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi Bob!
Yes, it is an extension that you can easily install.
Just go to the extensions page, and type Just Read in the search edit, and it will be the first choice for accessibility extensions for Chrome.
It works very well.
From the web page, you can press applications or Shift+F10, and you can arrow to a choice to use Just Read on that page.
David Moore
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>
*Sent: *Friday, April 20, 2018 8:34 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?
Is this an add-on needing to be installed? I'm only aware of the below
command to add to the shortcut properties to enable Reading View.
--enable-dom-distiller
On 4/20/2018 8:32 PM, David Moore wrote:

> Hi!

>

> Chrome also has an add on call Just Read.

>

> It does the same thing as the reading mode in Edge, where all the

> clutter is gone, and leaves just the text on the page!

>

> David Moore

>

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

> Windows 10

>

> *From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>

> *Sent: *Friday, April 20, 2018 6:38 PM

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

>

> Not sure about IE but Edge, Alt-D and tab to a button labeled Enter

>

> Reading View. Mainly available on sites featuring articles.

>

> On 4/20/2018 5:08 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

>

> > How do we get to reader mode for other browsers?

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> > -----Original Message-----

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> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> bob jutzi

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> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:06 PM

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> > Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

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> > If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.

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> > On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:

>

> >> Hi all, as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can
skip

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story. can

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Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

I tried that but got no results.
I went to Extentions under More Tools, clicked Search and entered Just Read.

On 4/20/2018 8:43 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi Bob!
Yes, it is an extension that you can easily install.
Just go to the extensions page, and type Just Read in the search edit, and it will be the first choice for accessibility extensions for Chrome.
It works very well.
From the web page, you can press applications or Shift+F10, and you can arrow to a choice to use Just Read on that page.
David Moore
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>
*Sent: *Friday, April 20, 2018 8:34 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?
Is this an add-on needing to be installed? I'm only aware of the below
command to add to the shortcut properties to enable Reading View.
--enable-dom-distiller
On 4/20/2018 8:32 PM, David Moore wrote:

> Hi!

>

> Chrome also has an add on call Just Read.

>

> It does the same thing as the reading mode in Edge, where all the

> clutter is gone, and leaves just the text on the page!

>

> David Moore

>

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

> Windows 10

>

> *From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>

> *Sent: *Friday, April 20, 2018 6:38 PM

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

>

> Not sure about IE but Edge, Alt-D and tab to a button labeled Enter

>

> Reading View. Mainly available on sites featuring articles.

>

> On 4/20/2018 5:08 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

>

> > How do we get to reader mode for other browsers?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > -----Original Message-----

>

> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> bob jutzi

>

> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:06 PM

>

> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>

> > Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

>

> >

>

> > If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.

>

> >

>

> > On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:

>

> >> Hi all, as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can
skip

>

> >> links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news
story. can

>

> >> someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.

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Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

David Moore
 

Hi Bob!

Yes, it is an extension that you can easily install.

Just go to the extensions page, and type Just Read in the search edit, and it will be the first choice for accessibility extensions for Chrome.

It works very well.

From the web page, you can press applications or Shift+F10, and you can arrow to a choice to use Just Read on that page.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

 

Is this an add-on needing to be installed?  I'm only aware of the below

command to add to the shortcut properties to enable Reading View.

 

--enable-dom-distiller

On 4/20/2018 8:32 PM, David Moore wrote:

> Hi!

>

> Chrome also has an add on call Just Read.

>

> It does the same thing as the reading mode in Edge, where all the

> clutter is gone, and leaves just the text on the page!

>

> David Moore

>

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

> Windows 10

>

> *From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>

> *Sent: *Friday, April 20, 2018 6:38 PM

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

>

> Not sure about IE but Edge, Alt-D and tab to a button labeled Enter

>

> Reading View.  Mainly available on sites featuring articles.

>

> On 4/20/2018 5:08 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

>

>  > How do we get to reader mode for other browsers?

>

>  >

>

>  >

>

>  > -----Original Message-----

>

>  > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> bob jutzi

>

>  > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:06 PM

>

>  > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>

>  > Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

>

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>

>  > If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.

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>

>  > On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:

>

>  >> Hi all,   as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip

>

>  >> links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story.   can

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>  >> someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.

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Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

Is this an add-on needing to be installed? I'm only aware of the below command to add to the shortcut properties to enable Reading View.

--enable-dom-distiller

On 4/20/2018 8:32 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi!
Chrome also has an add on call Just Read.
It does the same thing as the reading mode in Edge, where all the clutter is gone, and leaves just the text on the page!
David Moore
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>
*Sent: *Friday, April 20, 2018 6:38 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?
Not sure about IE but Edge, Alt-D and tab to a button labeled Enter
Reading View. Mainly available on sites featuring articles.
On 4/20/2018 5:08 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

> How do we get to reader mode for other browsers?

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
bob jutzi

> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:06 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

>

> If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.

>

> On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:

>> Hi all, as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip

>> links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story. can

>> someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>


Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

David Moore
 

Hi!

Chrome also has an add on call Just Read.

It does the same thing as the reading mode in Edge, where all the clutter is gone, and leaves just the text on the page!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 6:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

 

Not sure about IE but Edge, Alt-D and tab to a button labeled Enter

Reading View.  Mainly available on sites featuring articles.

 

               

On 4/20/2018 5:08 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

> How do we get to reader mode for other browsers?

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of bob jutzi

> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:06 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

>

> If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.

>

> On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:

>> Hi all,   as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip

>> links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story.   can

>> someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

I agree with your statement.


I just switched over from using the latest build of JAWS 2018 to NVDA 2018.1.1, and I'm quite happy with my decision (Mainly a financial matter for I could no longer afford the $120+ SMA.) Been using JAWS since 1999, so you have an idea on how much money I've spent on it ;P


Took some time for me to adjust my fingers to using NVDA keyboard navigation, but once done it's very responsive, and with the installation of ETI Eloquence; sounds just as good.


The only benefit JAWS has over NVDA is the ability to create application specific scripts easily. JAWS also allowed you to re-assign classes for windows it would improperly define. Really wish NVDA allowed this option for there are several applications I use that it keeps incorrectly treating a listbox as if it was static text.


Other than that, NVDA is definitely on par with JAWS.


On 4/19/2018 3:43 PM, Gene wrote:

There are some uses for which JAWS is better.  My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do.  But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need.  A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.
 
And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better. 
 
It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS.  that isn't a proper view.  for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior.  but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways.  It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.
 
Gene
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> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
> The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
> So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
> I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
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Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

Not sure about IE but Edge, Alt-D and tab to a button labeled Enter Reading View. Mainly available on sites featuring articles.

On 4/20/2018 5:08 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
How do we get to reader mode for other browsers?
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?
If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.
On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all, as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip
links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story. can
someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.




Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

John Isige
 

Either close the page you're on, or use the close button at the bottom
of the page. Pretty sure ctrl-alt-r is a toggle too.

On 4/20/2018 17:17, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi, yes it worked well for me but I had to do a say all but it did
land me right on the text how to get out of it?   pressing the keys
again?

On 20/04/2018 22:52, James AUSTIN wrote:
You can also press control alt  are. This is the shortcut for the
reader view.  Please Bear in mind that it does not  always work I do
not know what criteria have to be met for reader view to work but
most of the time it will.
On 20 Apr 2018, at 22:06, bob jutzi <jutzi1@...> wrote:

If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.

On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all,   as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can
skip links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news
story.   can someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.




Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, yes it worked well for me but I had to do a say all but it did land me right on the text how to get out of it? pressing the keys again?

On 20/04/2018 22:52, James AUSTIN wrote:
You can also press control alt are. This is the shortcut for the reader view. Please Bear in mind that it does not always work I do not know what criteria have to be met for reader view to work but most of the time it will.
On 20 Apr 2018, at 22:06, bob jutzi <jutzi1@...> wrote:

If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.

On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all, as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story. can someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.



Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

James AUSTIN
 

You can also press control alt are. This is the shortcut for the reader view. Please Bear in mind that it does not always work I do not know what criteria have to be met for reader view to work but most of the time it will.

On 20 Apr 2018, at 22:06, bob jutzi <jutzi1@...> wrote:

If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.

On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all, as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story. can someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.



Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Gene
 

It's actually more like the WE mouse than you may realize now.  Commands for movement are different but there are movement commands for review, including going to the top and bottom of the screen. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: john s
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Gene, that sounds better.  That is a bit like the WE mouse.

At 03:15 PM 4/20/2018, Gene, wrote:
No, there is a route mouse command and a click command.  You don't have to move a physical mouse.  Once you move the review position where you want it to be, you route the virtual mouse and then you click it. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: john s
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 1:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Gene, you mean, one has to click the physical mouse?  The WE mouse is so much faster, but I may have to switch to NVDA, sometime.

At 09:41 AM 4/20/2018, Gene, wrote:
Rather than explain it, which involves not just explaining how to route and click the simulated mouse, you have to know the3 NVDA review keys, 2which use the numpad.  You first use the review keys, then when the review position is where you want the mouse you route the mouse to that position and click it.  the various review modes and the review keys are explained in a tutorial which is very well thought of.  You can download either the entire tutorial or only the sections you want here:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
 
You will see links to all the sections and a link at the end to a zip version of the entire tutorial.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: john s
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 5:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Don, I'm still using WE with win 7.  The thing which makes me
hesitate to another screen reader is I don't what would replace the
WE mouse keys.  What did you do with NVDA to replace that function?

At 03:38 PM 4/19/2018, Don H, wrote:
>I started using NVDA after the demise of Window Eyes.  I also got
>the free Jaws when it was offered.  I found NVDA much easier to use
>over Jaws and use NVDA as my prime screen reader.  Just hope that
>there is no way that VFO can swallow up NVDA as it did Window Eyes.
>
>
>

                 John


                 John

                 John


Re: nvda and Edge

Gene
 

It's odd that it's not a part of the interface without taking extra steps to make it so.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge

To enable Chrome's reader view:
1.  on the Chrome icon, Alt-enter to bring up properties
2. In the Target field, add this to the end of the launch command
including the dashes at the beginning
--enable-dom-distiller

3. Click OK
Now when you launch Chrome, you should have a Distill option under the
Alt menu.  Use this when reading articles.  Works very nice.


On 4/20/2018 3:24 PM, Gene wrote:
> The last time I checked, a number of months ago, Chrome didn't have such
> a command.  There is an add on or perhaps more than one for this
> purpose.  The one I tried appeared not to be accessible but I saw a
> message a while ago, perhaps on this list, from someone using an add
> on.  So we'll see what we find out from others.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* The Wolf <mailto:hank.smith966@...>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 20, 2018 2:08 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge
>
> what is the read command for both firefox and chrome?
>
>
> On 4/20/2018 6:33 AM, Gene wrote:
>> Also, Firefox has the equivalent of reader mode.  As I recall, it's in
>> the view menu.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 20, 2018 4:47 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge
>>
>> Sounds good.  I was able to enter Reader Mode by ALlt-D then tabbing
>> over to it.
>>
>> On 4/20/2018 3:40 AM, David Moore wrote:
>> > Also, the key command:
>> >
>> > ALT+X opens the settings and more menu, found on the top where the
>> > address bar is.
>> >
>> > Arrow up to settings, and enter, and you can customize all settings
>> very
>> > easily.
>> >
>> > You can do a lot with ALT+X.
>> >
>> > Have a great one!
>> >
>> > David Moore
>> >
>> > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> > Windows 10
>> >
>> > *From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>
>> > *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 9:03 PM
>> > *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:*nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> > *Subject: *Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge
>> >
>> > Alt-D drops you in the address bar.   From here you can also tab or
>> >
>> > shift-tab to find other menu options.
>> >
>> > On 4/19/2018 8:17 PM, David Mehler wrote:
>> >
>> >  > Hello,
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > For users of edge how do you use it? I am wanting to try it but have
>> >
>> >  > no idea how to proceed there's no menu I don't see an interface. I'm
>> >
>> >  > also wondering the advantages of edge vs. ie11/firefox/chrome?
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> >  > I am enjoying this thread.
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > Thanks.
>> >
>> > > Dave.
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  > On 4/19/18, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...
>> <mailto:jesusloves1966@...>> wrote:
>> >
>> >  >> That is great!
>> >
>> >  >> Also, Edge has a built in reading feature, where all the clutter
>> is gone
>> >
>> >  >> from the page, leaving just the article. It works like Just read in
>> > Chrome.
>> >
>> >  >> To activate it, just press CTRL+Shift+R.
>> >
>> >  >> David Moore
>> >
>> >  >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> >  >> From: bob jutzi
>> >
>> >  >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:01 PM
>> >
>> >  >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> >
>> >  >> Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Edge
>> >
>> >  >>
>> >
>> >  >> Thanks.  Am checking into Edge as it's rather interesting.  I
>> love the
>> >
>> >  >> Continue on PC feature.
>> >
>> >  >>
>> >
>> >  >> On 4/19/2018 7:50 PM, David Moore wrote:
>> >
>> >  >>> Hi!
>> >
>> >  >>>
>> >
>> >  >>> NVDA is faster in Edge, you can open PDFs and Epub books, and
>> you can
>> >
>> >  >>> save or back your favorites as an html file.
>> >
>> >  >>>
>> >
>> >  >>> Also, Edge loads pages for me, much faster than the later
>> versions of
>> >
>> >  >>> firefox.
>> >
>> > >>>
>> >
>> >  >>> Have a great one, by the way, I use Chrome, most of the time,
>> it works
>> >
>> >  >>> much better, in my opinion, than the latest versions of firefox.
>> >
>> >  >>>
>> >
>> >  >>> David Moore
>> >
>> >  >>>
>> >
>> >  >>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> >
>> >  >>> Windows 10
>> >
>> > >>>
>> >
>> >  >>> *From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@...>
>> >
>> > >>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:26 PM
>> >
>> > >>> *To: *nvda@groups.io <mailto:*nvda@groups.io>
>> <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>> >
>> > >>> *Subject: *[nvda] nvda and Edge
>> >
>> > >>>
>> >
>> >  >>> I am running the latest NVDA master along with Fall Creaters
>> update of
>> >
>> > >>>
>> >
>> >  >>> Win10 and finally decided to check out Edge.  I do have a few
>> > questions.
>> >
>> >  >>>
>> >
>> >  >>> For those of us who are blind, what advantages does Edge have over
>> >
>> > >>> Firefox?
>> >
>> >  >>>
>> >
>> >  >>> Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to backup Favorites unless
>> this is
>> >
>> >  >>>
>> >
>> >  >>> managed through Syncing.  I am already logged into my Microsoft
>> > account.
>> >
>> > >>>
>> >
>> >  >>>
>> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> >  >>
>> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> >  >>
>> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> >  >>
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> >  >
>> >
>> > >
>> >
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>>
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Re: Ham radio programs

Kevin Cussick
 

last time I tried hopeless with nvda.

On 20/04/2018 15:26, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
I have found the best programming software is Chirp.
It is a free program.
I found that it works well in Linux with the Orca screenreader, it does not do the best with Jaws, I'd be interested to see how well NVDA works with Chirp.
I haven't tried because it works so well in Linux.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 9:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ham radio programs
I have a proper Icom radio for this, but increasingly with modern
appliances, interference is an issue.There are a lot of SDRs on the web, but
I've had little luck in the past trying to make them work correctly with a
screenreader. What do they use, Java or what?
Brian
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Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Kaplan" <igorkaplan45@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 12:39 PM
Subject: [nvda] Ham radio programs
Hi Angelo,
Don't mean to change the topic, however since you mentioned about ham
programs would like to ask you, which ham programs you use? I am not a ham
operator, however like to listen the ham radio and DX stations.
Many thanks.
Igor
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angelo
Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 6:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
I use both NVDA and Jaws, and for the most part they both work equally well.
There are some programs that work better with Jaws, and many program that
work better with NVDA.
QuickBooks works well with NVDA and so do many of the ham radio programs I
use.
Jaws has the advantage with the office suite, but for most people NVDA and
office work well.
Occasionally I find software that will only behave with Narrator, but
Narrator is not ready for prime time.
Stay Well.
73 N2DYN Angelo
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Yes, but we can find apps which are not accesible using Jaws also: this
depends more on the producer of a specific software rather than nvaccess.
So, I agree on what you say , but this applies to Jaws also.
Il 20/04/2018 10:06, Tea Turkovic ha scritto:
It would be excellent when more companies would colaborate with NV
Access to make their desktop apps accessible with NVDA.


19.4.2018. u 22:35, bob jutzi je napisao/la:
I did neglect to give an example, Quicken.
I used Quicken from 2000-13 with Window-eyes. Since the
discontinuation of Window-eyes, had I continued using it rather than
switching to my bank's iOS app, this would require me to use JAWS
since unfortunately, NVDA doesn't support Quicken enough to make it
useable.

On 4/19/2018 3:41 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly
a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it. Along with
supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes,
Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive. No
offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a
ridiculous upgrade price tag. It's not like it's still the 90's and
Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.

Bob



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only
since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web
navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no
need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because
they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I m using JAWS as my
primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the
first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in
using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been
using it as my secondary screen reader!
I m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS
specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I d like to request you to please comment about my
observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
outlook:
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inamuddin2010@...
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Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

John Isige
 

In addition to using the view menu, you can also hit ctrl-alt-r once the
page is loaded. It doesn't work for everything, but it's pretty cool
when it works.


As for the question somebody else asked about getting it on other
browsers, I think Safari for mac has something like it, but I forget how
it works. You can get it in Chrome but I think you have to tinker with
the configuration.


https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-enable-reader-mode-in-chrome/


There are also a couple of Chrome extensions that seem to do it, I
haven't messed with any of this because I hardly use Chrome. Apparently
it's built into Edge, with a keyboard shortcut to boot.


http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/56266/microsoft-edge-how-to-use-reading-mode/

On 4/20/2018 16:01, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all,   as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip
links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story.  
can someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.

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