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Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Gene
 

I'm not shsure what that means.  Is it a bug?  That setting would be expected to determine when punctuation is spoken.  For example, if all is the level for the exclamation point, it shouldn't be spoken unless your synthesizer punctuation setting is set to all.  If it is set on most, then if your synthesizer punctuation setting is set to most, it should be spoken and if your synthesizer punctuation setting is set to all, it should also be spoken.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

I found only one other instance of exclamation point and apostrophe and they both said all.  After I changed those, now it is working.  There aren't 4 of anything that needs changing but just 2.  At least it's doing what I want it to now!

Roger












On 4/23/2018 12:32 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know why that is.  If you are doing things correctly, then there appears to be a problem with your NVDA extension or perhaps with Windows that is keeping the change from being implemented.  I don't know if the installed version keeps the changes in the program or in the registry. 
 
But some things should be clarified to save people unnecessary work.  First, at least when I tested with an old version of NVDA, you don't have to save the configuration.  These settings are independent of the configuration.  So be sure you want to change what you are changing. 
Unlike other changes in NVDA, once you make a change here, it remains, even if you apply the saved configuration before you save the current one. 
 
Also, sentence ending means what is says.  If you just change sentence ending, it will just change sentence ending.  You don't have to change the sentence ending setting if you want to change how the symbol is spoken everywhere.  You can just change the setting for the symbol that has no description of what the setting affects.  For example, there is an explanation point setting that doesn't say sentence end or anything else.  Changing what is spoken for that item will change how it is spoken everywhere.
 

Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe. 
Both of them are still saying bang and tick.  The replacement field has
my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger









On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for this task, no add-on is required.  Open the dialog, arrow down to the symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement word, tab to OK and press enter.  Repeat for all items you wish to change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for some of the punctuation either.
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> You have to change all of them.
> 1. ! sentence ending
> 2. !
> 3. in-word '
> 4. '
>
> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into punctuation/symbol
>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting nvda
>> but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
>> them.  How do I make them take hold?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>





Re: Editing Excel Cells

Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...>
 

Hello Cearbhall,

 

Following Quentin’s suggestion: I hit alt + f, up-arrowed to options, hit enter, arrowed down to advanced, tabbed to the check box for “directly editing cells “, unchecked that box, and hit OK.  This solved my f2 Excel editing problem. 

 

You should not have to concern yourself with maximizing Excel after this change.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Quentin,

 

When I open an excel sheet in OFFice 2016, windows 10 and latest NVDA, NVDA speaks the cell results and so I missed the fact that the worksheet was stil minimised! In that state, when I press F2, NVDA says blank. In the case of a formula  in the cell, control-shift-home gets equals and so it is evident that there is a problem. At this stage I maximise the screen and NVDA speaks the entire formula immediately.

 

From your question I examined my actions and realised that I should maximise the screen before doing anything else!

 

I am very pleased with the ease with which NVDA works with Excel and I am able to write macros and build formulas whenever I need them.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Thank you Quentin,

 

Unchecking the “edit cells directly” option in the advanced options allows f2 to work correctly.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 7:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Pranav,

 

I hadn't actually touched my Excel settings when this started.  I just went in and the setting (in Advanced) was checked.  When I unchecked it, when I press F2 now visually the caret moves to the function bar rather than editing directly in the cell, and NVDA is currently reading the text correctly while editing.

 

Cearbhall, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by minimised and maximised here?  When you press F2, the Excel window doesn't change dramatically.  If editing in cell as I was previously, the caret would appear in the current cell, and if needed the text would flow across to the right of the screen and then down to lower rows, if it didn't fit in the current cell.  If editing in the function bar, the caret appears up there instead, but there is no other minimise or maximise aside from the entire Excel window (which was already maximised).

 

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 8:35 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

Quentin,

 

I use F2 to edit the cell but then NVDA cannot read the contents as the cell opens minimised. When I maximise the cell NVDA reads the contents immediately. I had not noticed this before! Could it be part of the change that you are referring to? I agree that this is a Microsoft issue as the cell is not minimised by NVDA but by Excel.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 3:32 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Hello Quentin,

 

I believe you are correct in saying that Microsoft changed something in office that disabled the F2 cell editing capability in Excel.  It took VFO several months to solve this issue. 

 

I looked up the NVDA incident report.  Following the suggestions there, I removed and restored my Office 365.  I still do not have the NVDA F2 cell editing function.

 

I am using NVDA 2018.1.1.

 

Thanks for your information.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 12:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Hi Louis,

 

Pressing F2 to edit cell contents in Excel is a function of Excel itself, rather than the screen reader.  So, yes you can do this with NVDA.  Interesting that you say this functionality no longer works with Jaws, as we have started seeing problems with it in NVDA, so I wonder if it is not something either screen reader has done, but perhaps something Microsoft has done that has broken how we get the information about cells being edited.  For a sighted user, and indeed using NVDA, the functionality appears to work just the same as it ever has, it's just that NVDA reports "unknown" when you press F2, and then does not read the contents of the cell.

 

We have at least one issue open for this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8146

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 8:32 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...> wrote:

Folks,

I recently migrated from JAWS to NVDA.  In JAWS, a user can edit an Excel cell by putting the cursor on the cell and hitting f2.  Recently this functionality disappeared from JAWS; however, with today's release (J2018.1804.26) this functionality has returned.

Does NVDA have an Excel cell editing method?


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@...



 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

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Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Gene
 

The level setting, some most all, etc. has nothing to do with how the symbol is spoken.  It only affects where it is spoken. 
 
I'm testing with an old version of NVDA so this may not apply any longer.  I am testing the portable version.  But there appears to be a bug in the symbol pronunciation function.  I changed the pronunciation of exclamation point to exclaim.  I changed the when spoken setting to character.  I then tried to change it back to bang and set the when spoken setting to all.  It remains stuck on saying exclaim.  I've tried making the change with different setting levels set before I made the change and changed the settings level afterwords.  Nothing I do changes what is spoken.  It still says exclaim.  I also tried leaving the pronounced as field blank.  Even then, when I read a sentence or even the word itself written on a single line in Notepad, it still says exclaim.  I assume it will do this wherever the sign is encountered.  Unless a bug was found and corrected at some point related to the punctuation mark pronunciation feature, it needs to be tested rigorously so that others don't have things get stuck as I did. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

As I said earlier, you didn't change all of them. Read this with your
symbol level turned up.

1. '
2. !
3. In-word '
4. ! sentence ending

On 4/23/2018 10:03 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
> That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe. 
> Both of them are still saying bang and tick.  The replacement field has
> my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.
>
> Roger
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
>> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for
>> this task, no add-on is required.  Open the dialog, arrow down to the
>> symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement
>> word, tab to OK and press enter.  Repeat for all items you wish to
>> change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Ervin, Glenn
>> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>>
>> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for
>> some of the punctuation either.
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Tyler Spivey
>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>>
>> You have to change all of them.
>> 1. ! sentence ending
>> 2. !
>> 3. in-word '
>> 4. '
>>
>> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
>>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into punctuation/symbol
>>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
>>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting nvda
>>> but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
>>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
>>> them.  How do I make them take hold?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: Editing Excel Cells

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Quentin,

 

When I open an excel sheet in OFFice 2016, windows 10 and latest NVDA, NVDA speaks the cell results and so I missed the fact that the worksheet was stil minimised! In that state, when I press F2, NVDA says blank. In the case of a formula  in the cell, control-shift-home gets equals and so it is evident that there is a problem. At this stage I maximise the screen and NVDA speaks the entire formula immediately.

 

From your question I examined my actions and realised that I should maximise the screen before doing anything else!

 

I am very pleased with the ease with which NVDA works with Excel and I am able to write macros and build formulas whenever I need them.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Thank you Quentin,

 

Unchecking the “edit cells directly” option in the advanced options allows f2 to work correctly.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 7:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Pranav,

 

I hadn't actually touched my Excel settings when this started.  I just went in and the setting (in Advanced) was checked.  When I unchecked it, when I press F2 now visually the caret moves to the function bar rather than editing directly in the cell, and NVDA is currently reading the text correctly while editing.

 

Cearbhall, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by minimised and maximised here?  When you press F2, the Excel window doesn't change dramatically.  If editing in cell as I was previously, the caret would appear in the current cell, and if needed the text would flow across to the right of the screen and then down to lower rows, if it didn't fit in the current cell.  If editing in the function bar, the caret appears up there instead, but there is no other minimise or maximise aside from the entire Excel window (which was already maximised).

 

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 8:35 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

Quentin,

 

I use F2 to edit the cell but then NVDA cannot read the contents as the cell opens minimised. When I maximise the cell NVDA reads the contents immediately. I had not noticed this before! Could it be part of the change that you are referring to? I agree that this is a Microsoft issue as the cell is not minimised by NVDA but by Excel.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 3:32 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Hello Quentin,

 

I believe you are correct in saying that Microsoft changed something in office that disabled the F2 cell editing capability in Excel.  It took VFO several months to solve this issue. 

 

I looked up the NVDA incident report.  Following the suggestions there, I removed and restored my Office 365.  I still do not have the NVDA F2 cell editing function.

 

I am using NVDA 2018.1.1.

 

Thanks for your information.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 12:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Hi Louis,

 

Pressing F2 to edit cell contents in Excel is a function of Excel itself, rather than the screen reader.  So, yes you can do this with NVDA.  Interesting that you say this functionality no longer works with Jaws, as we have started seeing problems with it in NVDA, so I wonder if it is not something either screen reader has done, but perhaps something Microsoft has done that has broken how we get the information about cells being edited.  For a sighted user, and indeed using NVDA, the functionality appears to work just the same as it ever has, it's just that NVDA reports "unknown" when you press F2, and then does not read the contents of the cell.

 

We have at least one issue open for this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8146

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 8:32 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...> wrote:

Folks,

I recently migrated from JAWS to NVDA.  In JAWS, a user can edit an Excel cell by putting the cursor on the cell and hitting f2.  Recently this functionality disappeared from JAWS; however, with today's release (J2018.1804.26) this functionality has returned.

Does NVDA have an Excel cell editing method?


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@...



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Roger Stewart
 

I found only one other instance of exclamation point and apostrophe and they both said all.  After I changed those, now it is working.  There aren't 4 of anything that needs changing but just 2.  At least it's doing what I want it to now!

Roger












On 4/23/2018 12:32 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know why that is.  If you are doing things correctly, then there appears to be a problem with your NVDA extension or perhaps with Windows that is keeping the change from being implemented.  I don't know if the installed version keeps the changes in the program or in the registry. 
 
But some things should be clarified to save people unnecessary work.  First, at least when I tested with an old version of NVDA, you don't have to save the configuration.  These settings are independent of the configuration.  So be sure you want to change what you are changing. 
Unlike other changes in NVDA, once you make a change here, it remains, even if you apply the saved configuration before you save the current one. 
 
Also, sentence ending means what is says.  If you just change sentence ending, it will just change sentence ending.  You don't have to change the sentence ending setting if you want to change how the symbol is spoken everywhere.  You can just change the setting for the symbol that has no description of what the setting affects.  For example, there is an explanation point setting that doesn't say sentence end or anything else.  Changing what is spoken for that item will change how it is spoken everywhere.
 

Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe. 
Both of them are still saying bang and tick.  The replacement field has
my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger









On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for this task, no add-on is required.  Open the dialog, arrow down to the symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement word, tab to OK and press enter.  Repeat for all items you wish to change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for some of the punctuation either.
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> You have to change all of them.
> 1. ! sentence ending
> 2. !
> 3. in-word '
> 4. '
>
> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into punctuation/symbol
>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting nvda
>> but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
>> them.  How do I make them take hold?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Gene
 

I don't know why that is.  If you are doing things correctly, then there appears to be a problem with your NVDA extension or perhaps with Windows that is keeping the change from being implemented.  I don't know if the installed version keeps the changes in the program or in the registry. 
 
But some things should be clarified to save people unnecessary work.  First, at least when I tested with an old version of NVDA, you don't have to save the configuration.  These settings are independent of the configuration.  So be sure you want to change what you are changing. 
Unlike other changes in NVDA, once you make a change here, it remains, even if you apply the saved configuration before you save the current one. 
 
Also, sentence ending means what is says.  If you just change sentence ending, it will just change sentence ending.  You don't have to change the sentence ending setting if you want to change how the symbol is spoken everywhere.  You can just change the setting for the symbol that has no description of what the setting affects.  For example, there is an explanation point setting that doesn't say sentence end or anything else.  Changing what is spoken for that item will change how it is spoken everywhere.
 

Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe. 
Both of them are still saying bang and tick.  The replacement field has
my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger









On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for this task, no add-on is required.  Open the dialog, arrow down to the symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement word, tab to OK and press enter.  Repeat for all items you wish to change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for some of the punctuation either.
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> You have to change all of them.
> 1. ! sentence ending
> 2. !
> 3. in-word '
> 4. '
>
> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into punctuation/symbol
>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting nvda
>> but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
>> them.  How do I make them take hold?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Tyler Spivey
 

As I said earlier, you didn't change all of them. Read this with your
symbol level turned up.

1. '
2. !
3. In-word '
4. ! sentence ending

On 4/23/2018 10:03 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe. 
Both of them are still saying bang and tick.  The replacement field has
my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger









On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for
this task, no add-on is required.  Open the dialog, arrow down to the
symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement
word, tab to OK and press enter.  Repeat for all items you wish to
change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for
some of the punctuation either.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Tyler Spivey
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

You have to change all of them.
1. ! sentence ending
2. !
3. in-word '
4. '

On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into punctuation/symbol
pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting nvda
but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
them.  How do I make them take hold?


Thanks!


Roger
















Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Roger Stewart
 

That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe.  Both of them are still saying bang and tick.  The replacement field has my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger

On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for this task, no add-on is required. Open the dialog, arrow down to the symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement word, tab to OK and press enter. Repeat for all items you wish to change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for some of the punctuation either.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

You have to change all of them.
1. ! sentence ending
2. !
3. in-word '
4. '

On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe. I go into punctuation/symbol
pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
save the changes but it doesn't take effect. I tried restarting nvda
but it still stays the same. I went back into the punctuation
pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
them. How do I make them take hold?


Thanks!


Roger













Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Chris Mullins
 

The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for this task, no add-on is required. Open the dialog, arrow down to the symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement word, tab to OK and press enter. Repeat for all items you wish to change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for some of the punctuation either.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

You have to change all of them.
1. ! sentence ending
2. !
3. in-word '
4. '

On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe. I go into punctuation/symbol
pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
save the changes but it doesn't take effect. I tried restarting nvda
but it still stays the same. I went back into the punctuation
pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
them. How do I make them take hold?


Thanks!


Roger





Re: Muse Score

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yes. I've used lilypond. But it is hard to work with and half the time my code errors out and hre's no simply way to check to see if I have midi with otu complex codde, or at least that was the way it was a while ago. Ihave not used the snap shots, that was all in the stable version, but yeah that's how I passed my writing for orchestra class

On Apr 22, 2018, at 11:27 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:

Wow this is great news. There's another way of creating scores which I found, called Lilypond. You type your score in a textual language, kind of like LaTeX, and it comes out looking professional. You can also get a midi so you can check what you wrote.

2018-04-22 20:56 GMT+02:00 Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>:
Eya I remember it said that as well. I hope the new ersions of  nvda will work better with the app. This is actually very exciting.

On Apr 22, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:

The tutorial was updated a year ago. They are still using a very old version of NVDA. I believe they reference 2016.1.





On 4/22/2018 2:46 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Oh I agree. Now let's hope those sema changes come to mac as I might not always be around my windows machine to finish my master piece.

On Apr 22, 2018, at 11:25 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:

The tutorial linked in the first message of this thread says it was
created and updated one year ago.
The link added in message 7 of this thread describing updates to the
pallet controls was written 7 months ago.
And, though I haven't tried it, it looks like the developer has solved
the key signature problem.

I don't know if and or when I'll ever get around to trying this, but
it's really exciting to know that it's there if and or when I want to.

Rusty


On 4/21/18, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
I meant to post this URL yesterday. Muse Score is a music composing program
from what I’ve been told and yes it works with NVDA. Thanks to Jason
Castinguay and Joe Steinkamp on Twitter for posting this NVDA tutorial.
https://musescore.org/en/node/113581

Lino Morales










Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Ronald J Glaser
 

You can use the profile switcher extenchen for thunderbird to get the identies functionality like in outlok express.


On 4/23/2018 9:24 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Well, that was my argument for having an add-on for Jaws-like commands for NVDA.
But there seemed to be no interest in that either.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 3:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

I think my issues with tbird are well known here.
1. it uses hard to remember shortcuts nothing like Outlook express
2. It has all accounts in a tree rather than able to be kept separate as 
with identities in Outlook Express. In my view Microsoft are not really 
making a like for like program with their windows 10 mail app, and if they 
really did  make one like OE I think many people would use it.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS


Hi Group,


Since many people like a pop3/IMAP local mail client and since many of 
same really miss Outlook Express, many use Thunderbird. I can say 
categorically that for whatever reason, NVDA runs rings around JAWS in 
Thunderbird. This is my personal experience as to why I use exclusively 
NVDA and almost never use JAWS any more.



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since 
last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, 
checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need 
for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do 
not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary 
screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in 
year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using 
NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using 
it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially 
in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation 
if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409





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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"











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Makes The Day Go Right!


Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Ervin, Glenn
 

I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for some of the punctuation either.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

You have to change all of them.
1. ! sentence ending
2. !
3. in-word '
4. '

On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into punctuation/symbol
pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting nvda
but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
them.  How do I make them take hold?


Thanks!


Roger





Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

Ervin, Glenn
 

You can't cut and copy from a web page.
You can copy and paste though.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 4:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

Can any of these modes be used by cut and paste? I often find myself needing
to grab text from a web page to paste into a ascript for the sighted readers
at our Talking newspaper to read.
At present the only way seems to be to grab it all then fiddle about
deleting the like this more here and sundry links out and reformatting the
result. If the ability to read without the clutter exists, it would lessen
the workload and annoyance factor considerably.
For the record this has become important recently due to the tendency that
newsletter production has gone down the lazy mans rout of just saying the
headline and click here, which I hate with a passion and so do most, but
that seems to be the way the stuff is going.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?


Hi!
Chrome also has an add on call Just Read.
It does the same thing as the reading mode in Edge, where all the clutter is
gone, and leaves just the text on the page!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 6:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

Not sure about IE but Edge, Alt-D and tab to a button labeled Enter
Reading View. Mainly available on sites featuring articles.


On 4/20/2018 5:08 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
How do we get to reader mode for other browsers?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of bob
jutzi
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.

On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all, as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip
links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story. can
someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.









Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Ervin, Glenn
 

Well, that was my argument for having an add-on for Jaws-like commands for NVDA.
But there seemed to be no interest in that either.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 3:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

I think my issues with tbird are well known here.
1. it uses hard to remember shortcuts nothing like Outlook express
2. It has all accounts in a tree rather than able to be kept separate as
with identities in Outlook Express. In my view Microsoft are not really
making a like for like program with their windows 10 mail app, and if they
really did make one like OE I think many people would use it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS


Hi Group,


Since many people like a pop3/IMAP local mail client and since many of
same really miss Outlook Express, many use Thunderbird. I can say
categorically that for whatever reason, NVDA runs rings around JAWS in
Thunderbird. This is my personal experience as to why I use exclusively
NVDA and almost never use JAWS any more.



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since
last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation,
checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need
for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do
not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary
screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in
year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using
NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using
it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially
in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation
if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409



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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

ely.r@...
 

Thank you Brian, I too had started just deleting posts with that title.
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413() 727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Note we are getting subject drift again, as somebody who hives off subjects he is not interested in as here, I was not reading this one due to its early potential to turn into a my screenreader is better than yours chain.
now its talking about add ons.
Just saying.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Wood" <tcwood12@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS


Thanks a ton for that.

This will be most helpful.



On 21-Apr-2018 3:24 PM, Kenny wrote:
Here you go:


Mozilla Apps Enhancements

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html


Thunderbird
• In a message window:
• Control+Shift+(1-4) Reads the sender and recipients of the message. If
pressed twice quickly, opens the options menu.
• Control+Shift+5 Reads the subject of the message.
• Control+Shift+6 Reads date of the message.
• Control+Shift+A Brings the focus to the list of attachments, if any.
(These scripts are also available in the list of messages if you activate
the preview pane.)
• In the bar of fast filtering:
• Press down Arrow to display more options, enter to check/unchek the
selected option.
• In messages list:
• If the preview pane is active, press NVDA+downArrow (desktop) or NVDA+A
(laptop) to read the message without leaving the list.
• Control+NVDA+1-9 moves between columns.
• NVDA+H Displays a dialog in which you can change the order of the
columns in the message list.


Keystrokes can be customized in Preferences of NVDA > Input gestures when
Firefox or Thunderbird are open.


On 4/21/2018 1:46 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Hi,

What add on is this?

I might be missing something but the last time I went on the NVDA add
ons page there was 0 about thunderbird.

This is the frustrating thing when add ons are released but for some odd
reason are not listed on the official page.

Unless this is a much more recent development (in the last month or so)?



On 21-Apr-2018 11:01 AM, Kenny wrote:
Absolutely correct.


I was stuck using Eudora Pro 7.1 forever, for it seemed to work best
with JAWS.


Then I discovered NVDA and the Thunderbird email client. It's a great
marriage, especially when you install the add-on that incorporates
special keyboard shortcuts for reading the preview email pain.


It's like having Eudora Pro on steroids. This alone has made me a
believer of NVDA.

On 4/20/2018 6:36 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


Since many people like a pop3/IMAP local mail client and since many of
same really miss Outlook Express, many use Thunderbird. I can say
categorically that for whatever reason, NVDA runs rings around JAWS in
Thunderbird. This is my personal experience as to why I use
exclusively NVDA and almost never use JAWS any more.



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only
since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web
navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no
need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they
do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my
primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the
first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in
using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been
using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS
specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my
observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409












Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Brian's Mail list account
 

Note we are getting subject drift again, as somebody who hives off subjects he is not interested in as here, I was not reading this one due to its early potential to turn into a my screenreader is better than yours chain.
now its talking about add ons.
Just saying.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Wood" <tcwood12@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS


Thanks a ton for that.

This will be most helpful.



On 21-Apr-2018 3:24 PM, Kenny wrote:
Here you go:


Mozilla Apps Enhancements

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html


Thunderbird
• In a message window:
• Control+Shift+(1-4) Reads the sender and recipients of the message. If pressed twice quickly, opens the options menu.
• Control+Shift+5 Reads the subject of the message.
• Control+Shift+6 Reads date of the message.
• Control+Shift+A Brings the focus to the list of attachments, if any. (These scripts are also available in the list of messages if you activate the preview pane.)
• In the bar of fast filtering:
• Press down Arrow to display more options, enter to check/unchek the selected option.
• In messages list:
• If the preview pane is active, press NVDA+downArrow (desktop) or NVDA+A (laptop) to read the message without leaving the list.
• Control+NVDA+1-9 moves between columns.
• NVDA+H Displays a dialog in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.


Keystrokes can be customized in Preferences of NVDA > Input gestures when Firefox or Thunderbird are open.


On 4/21/2018 1:46 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Hi,

What add on is this?

I might be missing something but the last time I went on the NVDA add ons page there was 0 about thunderbird.

This is the frustrating thing when add ons are released but for some odd reason are not listed on the official page.

Unless this is a much more recent development (in the last month or so)?



On 21-Apr-2018 11:01 AM, Kenny wrote:
Absolutely correct.


I was stuck using Eudora Pro 7.1 forever, for it seemed to work best with JAWS.


Then I discovered NVDA and the Thunderbird email client. It's a great marriage, especially when you install the add-on that incorporates special keyboard shortcuts for reading the preview email pain.


It's like having Eudora Pro on steroids. This alone has made me a believer of NVDA.

On 4/20/2018 6:36 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


Since many people like a pop3/IMAP local mail client and since many of same really miss Outlook Express, many use Thunderbird. I can say categorically that for whatever reason, NVDA runs rings around JAWS in Thunderbird. This is my personal experience as to why I use exclusively NVDA and almost never use JAWS any more.



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409











Re: Muse Score

Felix G.
 

Wow this is great news. There's another way of creating scores which I found, called Lilypond. You type your score in a textual language, kind of like LaTeX, and it comes out looking professional. You can also get a midi so you can check what you wrote.

2018-04-22 20:56 GMT+02:00 Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>:

Eya I remember it said that as well. I hope the new ersions of  nvda will work better with the app. This is actually very exciting.

On Apr 22, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:

The tutorial was updated a year ago. They are still using a very old version of NVDA. I believe they reference 2016.1.





On 4/22/2018 2:46 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Oh I agree. Now let's hope those sema changes come to mac as I might not always be around my windows machine to finish my master piece.

On Apr 22, 2018, at 11:25 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:

The tutorial linked in the first message of this thread says it was
created and updated one year ago.
The link added in message 7 of this thread describing updates to the
pallet controls was written 7 months ago.
And, though I haven't tried it, it looks like the developer has solved
the key signature problem.

I don't know if and or when I'll ever get around to trying this, but
it's really exciting to know that it's there if and or when I want to.

Rusty


On 4/21/18, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
I meant to post this URL yesterday. Muse Score is a music composing program
from what I’ve been told and yes it works with NVDA. Thanks to Jason
Castinguay and Joe Steinkamp on Twitter for posting this NVDA tutorial.
https://musescore.org/en/node/113581

Lino Morales







Re: Say All and NVDA

 

This is happening with eSpeak NG. I switched my say all profile to use one of the Windows 10 OneCore voices, so it's not happening now.


On 4/22/2018 9:51 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Lanie,

Yes, I understand you. I haven't managed to reproduce it, but at least I know what you are doing?  Did I ask, which synthesizer did it happen with?

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Lanie Molinar <laniemolinar91@...> wrote:

Yes. I created a configuration profile just for say all. You can select say all as a trigger for a profile. When I left it alone so it had the same synthesizer as my normal configuration but a different rate, it changed the rate of my normal configuration whenever I used it. I changed the synthesizer for that profile, and it no longer affects my normal configuration. I hope this clears things up a little.


On 4/22/2018 7:17 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
When you note that Say All is not changing the rate of the normal configuration is that because you are using a different synth?  At first reading of your last post I just wondered if you meant the issue occurred if you were using say all inside an app which had its own triggered profile rather than the default configuration.

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 11:17 PM, Lanie Molinar <laniemolinar91@...> wrote:

I tried it again without changing the synthesizer and had the same problem I mentioned. I also tried changing the synthesizer, and that seems to work better. I'm not getting the problem with say all changing the normal configuration rate now, so I guess I'll keep using a different one for say all for now. I'm using Windows 10 OneCore with Mark as the voice for say all, and it seems to work well.


On 4/19/2018 11:40 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I haven't noticed this myself, but I've changed the speed of my Say all now (and not the synthesizer for now) and I'll be on the lookout for it.

I expect you are familiar enough with configuration profiles to be doing it correctly, but just to be sure, how you should adjust the "Say all" profile:

1. Open the config profiles dialog (NVDA+control+p or via the menu)
2. Select the "say all" profile and activate the "Manually activate" button.
3. Make whatever changes you want (eg slow the speech rate down).
4. Open the config profiles dialog again.
5. Ensure "Say all" is still selected and activate the "Manually deactivate" button.

Otherwise, does changing the synthesizer used in Say All help?

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 8:15 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I found that a different synth was the answer to this sort of thing. I'm not sure but I think also something that is looked at for a profile is sometimes also true at other times, making profiles for speech a a bit hit and miss at times. I can say no more than that, but I had this just with a basic text reader so I doubt its just kindle.
Brian

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HI, everyone. I have a couple questions and was wondering if anyone could help. I have the latest Next snapshot of NVDA and Windows 10 Insider build 17134, but what I'm asking about has been an issue for a long time. I often read books on my laptop with Kindle for PC, especially if I can't find an audio version somewhere Else. I use eSpeak NG and have it set really fast for most things, but when I'm reading, I like to slow it down. A lot of times, I've tried to automatically do this by creating a configuration profile for NVDA's say all feature that slows the speech rate down when I press the say all command. I've pretty much stopped doing this, though, because using that profile somehow seems to change the speech rate for my normal configuration, which is really annoying. I believe I had the same issue when I created a configuration profile that slowed speech when I used the Kindle app. Has anyone else noticed this? Is there a way to fix or get around it? Would changing the synthesizer for that particular profile help? I'm not sure what synthesizer would be free or cheap and good for reading, but I would be willing to try different ones out if that would fix this problem. Thanks.











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Re: python coading

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


thanks brandon
dont really understand what u are saying
could u email me privately? below is my email
thanks
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] python coading

You don't need an IDE to code in Python, all you need is to have Python installed and a text editor. Can be as simple as Notepad, but Notepad++ will work too, but the syntax highlighting has no usefullness to us. You can test your code using the python interpreter. When you installed Python, you should have checked the box that said add python to path, if you did, you can run it from cmd or just from the run dialog by typing python. If not, you will have to do this yourself.

On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 10:36 PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:
hi all
i am trying to learn python
i am having accessibility issues with the coader
the coader is anaconda using spider
do any of u all no about anaconda?
i am not sure how to use it
 



Re: Say All and NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Lanie,

Yes, I understand you. I haven't managed to reproduce it, but at least I know what you are doing?  Did I ask, which synthesizer did it happen with?

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Lanie Molinar <laniemolinar91@...> wrote:

Yes. I created a configuration profile just for say all. You can select say all as a trigger for a profile. When I left it alone so it had the same synthesizer as my normal configuration but a different rate, it changed the rate of my normal configuration whenever I used it. I changed the synthesizer for that profile, and it no longer affects my normal configuration. I hope this clears things up a little.


On 4/22/2018 7:17 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
When you note that Say All is not changing the rate of the normal configuration is that because you are using a different synth?  At first reading of your last post I just wondered if you meant the issue occurred if you were using say all inside an app which had its own triggered profile rather than the default configuration.

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 11:17 PM, Lanie Molinar <laniemolinar91@...> wrote:

I tried it again without changing the synthesizer and had the same problem I mentioned. I also tried changing the synthesizer, and that seems to work better. I'm not getting the problem with say all changing the normal configuration rate now, so I guess I'll keep using a different one for say all for now. I'm using Windows 10 OneCore with Mark as the voice for say all, and it seems to work well.


On 4/19/2018 11:40 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I haven't noticed this myself, but I've changed the speed of my Say all now (and not the synthesizer for now) and I'll be on the lookout for it.

I expect you are familiar enough with configuration profiles to be doing it correctly, but just to be sure, how you should adjust the "Say all" profile:

1. Open the config profiles dialog (NVDA+control+p or via the menu)
2. Select the "say all" profile and activate the "Manually activate" button.
3. Make whatever changes you want (eg slow the speech rate down).
4. Open the config profiles dialog again.
5. Ensure "Say all" is still selected and activate the "Manually deactivate" button.

Otherwise, does changing the synthesizer used in Say All help?

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 8:15 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I found that a different synth was the answer to this sort of thing. I'm not sure but I think also something that is looked at for a profile is sometimes also true at other times, making profiles for speech a a bit hit and miss at times. I can say no more than that, but I had this just with a basic text reader so I doubt its just kindle.
Brian

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HI, everyone. I have a couple questions and was wondering if anyone could help. I have the latest Next snapshot of NVDA and Windows 10 Insider build 17134, but what I'm asking about has been an issue for a long time. I often read books on my laptop with Kindle for PC, especially if I can't find an audio version somewhere Else. I use eSpeak NG and have it set really fast for most things, but when I'm reading, I like to slow it down. A lot of times, I've tried to automatically do this by creating a configuration profile for NVDA's say all feature that slows the speech rate down when I press the say all command. I've pretty much stopped doing this, though, because using that profile somehow seems to change the speech rate for my normal configuration, which is really annoying. I believe I had the same issue when I created a configuration profile that slowed speech when I used the Kindle app. Has anyone else noticed this? Is there a way to fix or get around it? Would changing the synthesizer for that particular profile help? I'm not sure what synthesizer would be free or cheap and good for reading, but I would be willing to try different ones out if that would fix this problem. Thanks.











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