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Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Gene
 

What do you mean by the English dictionary?  Whatever you were referring to, my suggestion of changing the NVDA dictionary for one specific word followed by an explanation point will probably work if your intent is to change just the way one thing is spoken when it is followed by an explanation point.  But it isn't clear to me from your below message whether you want to change anything or whether you were making a joke.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

My suggestion to changed the dictionary referred to the English dictionary,
not the NVDA dictionary, and I wasn't serious factoriall.

Michael Cross B.S., M.S. Mathematics
The negation of a half truth is another half truth.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 3:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> The text is highlighted.  When text is highlighted, typing even one
> character completely removes the highlighted text and what you type is all
> that is there.  In a lot of dialogs text is highlighted and all you have
> to do is type.  If you move, you will remove the highlighting and if you
> type, you will add text to what is already there.
>
> I don't know if the person moved and left text in this field.  But perhaps
> it says factorial and then there is an explanation point as part of the
> text.  In that case, use the pronunciation dictionary.  Write the word
> exactly as it appears and if there is an explanation point after it, type
> that as well.
> then write what you want spoken in the spoken as field.  That may solve
> the problem.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@...>
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 2:11 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> Did you clear the text in the replacement field completely before typing
> in factorial?  If not, then what was there before would just be joined
> to what you type in so it would say 2 things instead of one.
>
> Roger
>
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>
> On 4/23/2018 1:21 PM, Michael wrote:
> > I changed the exclamation point to be spoken as 'factorial'. I am happy.
> But
> > now "wow" says wow factorial.
> > I like it factorial.
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Roger
> >> Stewart
> >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:44 PM
> >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
> >>
> >> I found only one other instance of exclamation point and apostrophe and
> >> they both said all.  After I changed those, now it is working.  There
> >> aren't 4 of anything that needs changing but just 2.  At least it's
> doing
> >> what I want it to now!
> >>
> >> Roger
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/23/2018 12:32 PM, Gene wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't know why that is.  If you are doing things correctly, then
> >> there appears to be a problem with your NVDA extension or perhaps with
> >> Windows that is keeping the change from being implemented.  I don't
> know
> >> if the installed version keeps the changes in the program or in the
> >> registry.
> >>
> >> But some things should be clarified to save people unnecessary work.
> >> First, at least when I tested with an old version of NVDA, you don't
> have
> >> to save the configuration.  These settings are independent of the
> >> configuration.  So be sure you want to change what you are changing.
> >> Unlike other changes in NVDA, once you make a change here, it
> >> remains, even if you apply the saved configuration before you save the
> >> current one.
> >>
> >> Also, sentence ending means what is says.  If you just change
> >> sentence ending, it will just change sentence ending.  You don't have
> to
> >> change the sentence ending setting if you want to change how the symbol
> is
> >> spoken everywhere.  You can just change the setting for the symbol that
> >> has no description of what the setting affects.  For example, there is
> an
> >> explanation point setting that doesn't say sentence end or anything
> else.
> >> Changing what is spoken for that item will change how it is spoken
> >> everywhere.
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@...>
> >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:03 PM
> >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
> >>
> >> That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe.
> >> Both of them are still saying bang and tick.  The replacement field
> >> has
> >> my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.
> >>
> >> Roger
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> >> > The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate
> >> for this task, no add-on is required.  Open the dialog, arrow down to
> the
> >> symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement
> word,
> >> tab to OK and press enter.  Repeat for all items you wish to change,
> then
> >> Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> > Chris
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
> > Of
> >> Ervin, Glenn
> >> > Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
> >> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
> >> >
> >> > I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names
> > for
> >> some of the punctuation either.
> >> > Glenn
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
> > Of
> >> Tyler Spivey
> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
> >> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
> >> >
> >> > You have to change all of them.
> >> > 1. ! sentence ending
> >> > 2. !
> >> > 3. in-word '
> >> > 4. '
> >> >
> >> > On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
> >> >> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from
> >> bang to
> >> >> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into
> >> punctuation/symbol
> >> >> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok
> > button
> >> to
> >> >> save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting
> >> nvda
> >> >> but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
> >> >> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I
> > set
> >> >> them.  How do I make them take hold?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks!
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> >> >> Roger
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Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Michael
 

My suggestion to changed the dictionary referred to the English dictionary,
not the NVDA dictionary, and I wasn't serious factoriall.

Michael Cross B.S., M.S. Mathematics
The negation of a half truth is another half truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 3:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

The text is highlighted. When text is highlighted, typing even one
character completely removes the highlighted text and what you type is all
that is there. In a lot of dialogs text is highlighted and all you have
to do is type. If you move, you will remove the highlighting and if you
type, you will add text to what is already there.

I don't know if the person moved and left text in this field. But perhaps
it says factorial and then there is an explanation point as part of the
text. In that case, use the pronunciation dictionary. Write the word
exactly as it appears and if there is an explanation point after it, type
that as well.
then write what you want spoken in the spoken as field. That may solve
the problem.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 2:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

Did you clear the text in the replacement field completely before typing
in factorial? If not, then what was there before would just be joined
to what you type in so it would say 2 things instead of one.

Roger










On 4/23/2018 1:21 PM, Michael wrote:
I changed the exclamation point to be spoken as 'factorial'. I am happy.
But
now "wow" says wow factorial.
I like it factorial.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Roger
Stewart
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

I found only one other instance of exclamation point and apostrophe and
they both said all. After I changed those, now it is working. There
aren't 4 of anything that needs changing but just 2. At least it's
doing
what I want it to now!

Roger












On 4/23/2018 12:32 PM, Gene wrote:


I don't know why that is. If you are doing things correctly, then
there appears to be a problem with your NVDA extension or perhaps with
Windows that is keeping the change from being implemented. I don't
know
if the installed version keeps the changes in the program or in the
registry.

But some things should be clarified to save people unnecessary work.
First, at least when I tested with an old version of NVDA, you don't
have
to save the configuration. These settings are independent of the
configuration. So be sure you want to change what you are changing.
Unlike other changes in NVDA, once you make a change here, it
remains, even if you apply the saved configuration before you save the
current one.

Also, sentence ending means what is says. If you just change
sentence ending, it will just change sentence ending. You don't have
to
change the sentence ending setting if you want to change how the symbol
is
spoken everywhere. You can just change the setting for the symbol that
has no description of what the setting affects. For example, there is
an
explanation point setting that doesn't say sentence end or anything
else.
Changing what is spoken for that item will change how it is spoken
everywhere.


From: Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe.
Both of them are still saying bang and tick. The replacement field
has
my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger









On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate
for this task, no add-on is required. Open the dialog, arrow down to
the
symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement
word,
tab to OK and press enter. Repeat for all items you wish to change,
then
Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names
for
some of the punctuation either.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Tyler Spivey
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

You have to change all of them.
1. ! sentence ending
2. !
3. in-word '
4. '

On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from
bang to
exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe. I go into
punctuation/symbol
pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok
button
to
save the changes but it doesn't take effect. I tried restarting
nvda
but it still stays the same. I went back into the punctuation
pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I
set
them. How do I make them take hold?


Thanks!


Roger























.




Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Gene
 

The text is highlighted.  When text is highlighted, typing even one character completely removes the highlighted text and what you type is all that is there.  In a lot of dialogs text is highlighted and all you have to do is type.  If you move, you will remove the highlighting and if you type, you will add text to what is already there.
 
I don't know if the person moved and left text in this field.  But perhaps it says factorial and then there is an explanation point as part of the text.  In that case, use the pronunciation dictionary.  Write the word exactly as it appears and if there is an explanation point after it, type that as well.
then write what you want spoken in the spoken as field.  That may solve the problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

Did you clear the text in the replacement field completely before typing
in factorial?  If not, then what was there before would just be joined
to what you type in so it would say 2 things instead of one.

Roger










On 4/23/2018 1:21 PM, Michael wrote:
> I changed the exclamation point to be spoken as 'factorial'. I am happy. But
> now "wow" says wow factorial.
> I like it factorial.
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
>> Stewart
>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:44 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>>
>> I found only one other instance of exclamation point and apostrophe and
>> they both said all.  After I changed those, now it is working.  There
>> aren't 4 of anything that needs changing but just 2.  At least it's doing
>> what I want it to now!
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/23/2018 12:32 PM, Gene wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't know why that is.  If you are doing things correctly, then
>> there appears to be a problem with your NVDA extension or perhaps with
>> Windows that is keeping the change from being implemented.  I don't know
>> if the installed version keeps the changes in the program or in the
>> registry.
>>
>> But some things should be clarified to save people unnecessary work.
>> First, at least when I tested with an old version of NVDA, you don't have
>> to save the configuration.  These settings are independent of the
>> configuration.  So be sure you want to change what you are changing.
>> Unlike other changes in NVDA, once you make a change here, it
>> remains, even if you apply the saved configuration before you save the
>> current one.
>>
>> Also, sentence ending means what is says.  If you just change
>> sentence ending, it will just change sentence ending.  You don't have to
>> change the sentence ending setting if you want to change how the symbol is
>> spoken everywhere.  You can just change the setting for the symbol that
>> has no description of what the setting affects.  For example, there is an
>> explanation point setting that doesn't say sentence end or anything else.
>> Changing what is spoken for that item will change how it is spoken
>> everywhere.
>>
>>
>> From: Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@...>
>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:03 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>>
>> That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe.
>> Both of them are still saying bang and tick.  The replacement field
>> has
>> my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
>> > The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate
>> for this task, no add-on is required.  Open the dialog, arrow down to the
>> symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement word,
>> tab to OK and press enter.  Repeat for all items you wish to change, then
>> Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Chris
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
> Of
>> Ervin, Glenn
>> > Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
>> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>> >
>> > I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names
> for
>> some of the punctuation either.
>> > Glenn
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
> Of
>> Tyler Spivey
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
>> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>> >
>> > You have to change all of them.
>> > 1. ! sentence ending
>> > 2. !
>> > 3. in-word '
>> > 4. '
>> >
>> > On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>> >> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from
>> bang to
>> >> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into
>> punctuation/symbol
>> >> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok
> button
>> to
>> >> save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting
>> nvda
>> >> but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
>> >> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I
> set
>> >> them.  How do I make them take hold?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Roger
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

Andy
 

Are we talking about Chrome or Firefox. If the latter, the subject line should be changed.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: "nvda list list" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?


Never mind, I found it. The page was just acting funny. Now to test it out. I think android police is a good place to test.

Take care all and have a happy Monday.

On Apr 23, 2018, at 11:34 AM, Sarah Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:

Are you sure that's the right link? I clicked it and I don't see the extension at all. I see stuff in a diffeent language

On Apr 20, 2018, at 6:16 PM, bob jutzi <jutzi1@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, I did a Google, found the following link, and clicked Add to Chrome so I've got it.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/just-read/dgmanlpmmkibanfdgjocnabmcaclkmod?hl=en
On 4/20/2018 8:43 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi Bob!
Yes, it is an extension that you can easily install.
Just go to the extensions page, and type Just Read in the search edit, and it will be the first choice for accessibility extensions for Chrome.
It works very well.
From the web page, you can press applications or Shift+F10, and you can arrow to a choice to use Just Read on that page.
David Moore
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Friday, April 20, 2018 8:34 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?
Is this an add-on needing to be installed? I'm only aware of the below
command to add to the shortcut properties to enable Reading View.
--enable-dom-distiller
On 4/20/2018 8:32 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi!

Chrome also has an add on call Just Read.

It does the same thing as the reading mode in Edge, where all the
clutter is gone, and leaves just the text on the page!

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Friday, April 20, 2018 6:38 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

Not sure about IE but Edge, Alt-D and tab to a button labeled Enter

Reading View. Mainly available on sites featuring articles.

On 4/20/2018 5:08 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

How do we get to reader mode for other browsers?
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
bob jutzi

Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?
If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.
On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all, as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip
links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story. can
someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.



Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Michael
 

Your listening demands are different than mine.

Michael Cross B.S., M.S. Mathematics
The negation of a half truth is another half truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin,
Glenn
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 2:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

That is two more syllables than exclaim uses, not a good idea.
Bang is only one, but that is too distracting IMO.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Michael
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 2:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

Roger,
Yes I cleared it. Now that I've gotten used to itI suggest that ,
factorial
should replace exclamation in the dictionary!

Michael Cross B.S., M.S. Mathematics
The negation of a half truth is another half truth.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Roger
Stewart
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 2:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

Did you clear the text in the replacement field completely before typing
in factorial? If not, then what was there before would just be joined
to what you type in so it would say 2 things instead of one.

Roger










On 4/23/2018 1:21 PM, Michael wrote:
I changed the exclamation point to be spoken as 'factorial'. I am
happy.
But
now "wow" says wow factorial.
I like it factorial.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Roger
Stewart
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

I found only one other instance of exclamation point and apostrophe
and
they both said all. After I changed those, now it is working. There
aren't 4 of anything that needs changing but just 2. At least it's
doing
what I want it to now!

Roger












On 4/23/2018 12:32 PM, Gene wrote:


I don't know why that is. If you are doing things correctly,
then
there appears to be a problem with your NVDA extension or perhaps
with
Windows that is keeping the change from being implemented. I don't
know
if the installed version keeps the changes in the program or in the
registry.

But some things should be clarified to save people unnecessary
work.
First, at least when I tested with an old version of NVDA, you don't
have
to save the configuration. These settings are independent of the
configuration. So be sure you want to change what you are changing.
Unlike other changes in NVDA, once you make a change here, it
remains, even if you apply the saved configuration before you save
the
current one.

Also, sentence ending means what is says. If you just change
sentence ending, it will just change sentence ending. You don't have
to
change the sentence ending setting if you want to change how the
symbol
is
spoken everywhere. You can just change the setting for the symbol
that
has no description of what the setting affects. For example, there
is
an
explanation point setting that doesn't say sentence end or anything
else.
Changing what is spoken for that item will change how it is spoken
everywhere.


From: Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the
apostrophe.
Both of them are still saying bang and tick. The replacement
field
has
my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger









On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly
adequate
for this task, no add-on is required. Open the dialog, arrow down to
the
symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement
word,
tab to OK and press enter. Repeat for all items you wish to change,
then
Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf
Of
Ervin, Glenn
> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those
names
for
some of the punctuation either.
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf
Of
Tyler Spivey
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> You have to change all of them.
> 1. ! sentence ending
> 2. !
> 3. in-word '
> 4. '
>
> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s !
from
bang to
>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe. I go into
punctuation/symbol
>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok
button
to
>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect. I tried
restarting
nvda
>> but it still stays the same. I went back into the
punctuation
>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as
I
set
>> them. How do I make them take hold?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>











.







Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Ervin, Glenn
 

That is two more syllables than exclaim uses, not a good idea.
Bang is only one, but that is too distracting IMO.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 2:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

Roger,
Yes I cleared it. Now that I've gotten used to itI suggest that , factorial
should replace exclamation in the dictionary!

Michael Cross B.S., M.S. Mathematics
The negation of a half truth is another half truth.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 2:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

Did you clear the text in the replacement field completely before typing
in factorial?  If not, then what was there before would just be joined
to what you type in so it would say 2 things instead of one.

Roger










On 4/23/2018 1:21 PM, Michael wrote:
I changed the exclamation point to be spoken as 'factorial'. I am happy.
But
now "wow" says wow factorial.
I like it factorial.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Roger
Stewart
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

I found only one other instance of exclamation point and apostrophe and
they both said all. After I changed those, now it is working. There
aren't 4 of anything that needs changing but just 2. At least it's
doing
what I want it to now!

Roger












On 4/23/2018 12:32 PM, Gene wrote:


I don't know why that is. If you are doing things correctly, then
there appears to be a problem with your NVDA extension or perhaps with
Windows that is keeping the change from being implemented. I don't
know
if the installed version keeps the changes in the program or in the
registry.

But some things should be clarified to save people unnecessary work.
First, at least when I tested with an old version of NVDA, you don't
have
to save the configuration. These settings are independent of the
configuration. So be sure you want to change what you are changing.
Unlike other changes in NVDA, once you make a change here, it
remains, even if you apply the saved configuration before you save the
current one.

Also, sentence ending means what is says. If you just change
sentence ending, it will just change sentence ending. You don't have
to
change the sentence ending setting if you want to change how the symbol
is
spoken everywhere. You can just change the setting for the symbol that
has no description of what the setting affects. For example, there is
an
explanation point setting that doesn't say sentence end or anything
else.
Changing what is spoken for that item will change how it is spoken
everywhere.


From: Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe.
Both of them are still saying bang and tick. The replacement field
has
my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger









On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate
for this task, no add-on is required. Open the dialog, arrow down to
the
symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement
word,
tab to OK and press enter. Repeat for all items you wish to change,
then
Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Ervin, Glenn
> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names
for
some of the punctuation either.
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Tyler Spivey
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> You have to change all of them.
> 1. ! sentence ending
> 2. !
> 3. in-word '
> 4. '
>
> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from
bang to
>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe. I go into
punctuation/symbol
>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok
button
to
>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect. I tried restarting
nvda
>> but it still stays the same. I went back into the punctuation
>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I
set
>> them. How do I make them take hold?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>











.


Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Michael
 

Roger,
Yes I cleared it. Now that I've gotten used to itI suggest that , factorial
should replace exclamation in the dictionary!

Michael Cross B.S., M.S. Mathematics
The negation of a half truth is another half truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 2:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

Did you clear the text in the replacement field completely before typing
in factorial? If not, then what was there before would just be joined
to what you type in so it would say 2 things instead of one.

Roger










On 4/23/2018 1:21 PM, Michael wrote:
I changed the exclamation point to be spoken as 'factorial'. I am happy.
But
now "wow" says wow factorial.
I like it factorial.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Roger
Stewart
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

I found only one other instance of exclamation point and apostrophe and
they both said all. After I changed those, now it is working. There
aren't 4 of anything that needs changing but just 2. At least it's
doing
what I want it to now!

Roger












On 4/23/2018 12:32 PM, Gene wrote:


I don't know why that is. If you are doing things correctly, then
there appears to be a problem with your NVDA extension or perhaps with
Windows that is keeping the change from being implemented. I don't
know
if the installed version keeps the changes in the program or in the
registry.

But some things should be clarified to save people unnecessary work.
First, at least when I tested with an old version of NVDA, you don't
have
to save the configuration. These settings are independent of the
configuration. So be sure you want to change what you are changing.
Unlike other changes in NVDA, once you make a change here, it
remains, even if you apply the saved configuration before you save the
current one.

Also, sentence ending means what is says. If you just change
sentence ending, it will just change sentence ending. You don't have
to
change the sentence ending setting if you want to change how the symbol
is
spoken everywhere. You can just change the setting for the symbol that
has no description of what the setting affects. For example, there is
an
explanation point setting that doesn't say sentence end or anything
else.
Changing what is spoken for that item will change how it is spoken
everywhere.


From: Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe.
Both of them are still saying bang and tick. The replacement field
has
my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger









On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate
for this task, no add-on is required. Open the dialog, arrow down to
the
symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement
word,
tab to OK and press enter. Repeat for all items you wish to change,
then
Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Ervin, Glenn
> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names
for
some of the punctuation either.
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Tyler Spivey
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> You have to change all of them.
> 1. ! sentence ending
> 2. !
> 3. in-word '
> 4. '
>
> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from
bang to
>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe. I go into
punctuation/symbol
>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok
button
to
>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect. I tried restarting
nvda
>> but it still stays the same. I went back into the punctuation
>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I
set
>> them. How do I make them take hold?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>











.


Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Roger Stewart
 

Did you clear the text in the replacement field completely before typing in factorial?  If not, then what was there before would just be joined to what you type in so it would say 2 things instead of one.

Roger

On 4/23/2018 1:21 PM, Michael wrote:
I changed the exclamation point to be spoken as 'factorial'. I am happy. But
now "wow" says wow factorial.
I like it factorial.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

I found only one other instance of exclamation point and apostrophe and
they both said all. After I changed those, now it is working. There
aren't 4 of anything that needs changing but just 2. At least it's doing
what I want it to now!

Roger












On 4/23/2018 12:32 PM, Gene wrote:


I don't know why that is. If you are doing things correctly, then
there appears to be a problem with your NVDA extension or perhaps with
Windows that is keeping the change from being implemented. I don't know
if the installed version keeps the changes in the program or in the
registry.

But some things should be clarified to save people unnecessary work.
First, at least when I tested with an old version of NVDA, you don't have
to save the configuration. These settings are independent of the
configuration. So be sure you want to change what you are changing.
Unlike other changes in NVDA, once you make a change here, it
remains, even if you apply the saved configuration before you save the
current one.

Also, sentence ending means what is says. If you just change
sentence ending, it will just change sentence ending. You don't have to
change the sentence ending setting if you want to change how the symbol is
spoken everywhere. You can just change the setting for the symbol that
has no description of what the setting affects. For example, there is an
explanation point setting that doesn't say sentence end or anything else.
Changing what is spoken for that item will change how it is spoken
everywhere.


From: Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe.
Both of them are still saying bang and tick. The replacement field
has
my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger









On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate
for this task, no add-on is required. Open the dialog, arrow down to the
symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement word,
tab to OK and press enter. Repeat for all items you wish to change, then
Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Ervin, Glenn
> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names
for
some of the punctuation either.
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Tyler Spivey
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> You have to change all of them.
> 1. ! sentence ending
> 2. !
> 3. in-word '
> 4. '
>
> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from
bang to
>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe. I go into
punctuation/symbol
>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok
button
to
>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect. I tried restarting
nvda
>> but it still stays the same. I went back into the punctuation
>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I
set
>> them. How do I make them take hold?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>










.


Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Never mind, I found it. The page was just acting funny. Now to test it out. I think android police is a good place to test.

Take care all and have a happy Monday.

On Apr 23, 2018, at 11:34 AM, Sarah Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:

Are you sure that's the right link? I clicked it and I don't see the extension at all. I see stuff in a diffeent language

On Apr 20, 2018, at 6:16 PM, bob jutzi <jutzi1@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, I did a Google, found the following link, and clicked Add to Chrome so I've got it.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/just-read/dgmanlpmmkibanfdgjocnabmcaclkmod?hl=en
On 4/20/2018 8:43 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi Bob!
Yes, it is an extension that you can easily install.
Just go to the extensions page, and type Just Read in the search edit, and it will be the first choice for accessibility extensions for Chrome.
It works very well.
From the web page, you can press applications or Shift+F10, and you can arrow to a choice to use Just Read on that page.
David Moore
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Friday, April 20, 2018 8:34 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?
Is this an add-on needing to be installed? I'm only aware of the below
command to add to the shortcut properties to enable Reading View.
--enable-dom-distiller
On 4/20/2018 8:32 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi!

Chrome also has an add on call Just Read.

It does the same thing as the reading mode in Edge, where all the
clutter is gone, and leaves just the text on the page!

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Friday, April 20, 2018 6:38 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

Not sure about IE but Edge, Alt-D and tab to a button labeled Enter

Reading View. Mainly available on sites featuring articles.

On 4/20/2018 5:08 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

How do we get to reader mode for other browsers?
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
bob jutzi

Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?
If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.
On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all, as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip
links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story. can
someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.



Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Gene
 

A correction and another comment.
 
I was wrong in my first message.  I thought I had tested this properly but, in some way, I didn't.  Sentence end does need to be changed if you want to affect how the pronunciation mark is pronounced at a sentence end.  It has to be changed in the other entry to affect everything else.
 
Also, as I thought, changing the setting in the all, most, etc. combo box in the pronunciation dialog changes when the punctuation mark is spoken depending on which level setting you are using in the NVDA setting for your synthesizer. 
 
If you have a punctuation mark set to all in the punctuation mark pronunciation dialog, it will only be spoken if your NVDA synthesizer punctuation setting is set to all.  If the mark is set to most in the pronunciation dialog, it will be spoken if the synthesizer setting is for either most or all.  Let's say you want the period spoken when your synthesizer punctuation setting is set to none.  If you set the period setting to none in the pronunciation dialog, it will be spoken when your synthesizer setting is set to none, some, most or all. 
 
These level settings in the pronunciation dialog have nothing to do with what is spoken, just when.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

What I thought was a bug wasn't, so my problem need not be investigated.
 
I had been experimenting to see if the speech dictionary could be used to change how punctuation is spoken.  When I tried, it had no effect.  I had removed the entry but somehow, it returned and worked after that.  I don't know what happened.  But the problem was something regarding the speech dictionary and it has been corrected.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

The level setting, some most all, etc. has nothing to do with how the symbol is spoken.  It only affects where it is spoken. 
 
I'm testing with an old version of NVDA so this may not apply any longer.  I am testing the portable version.  But there appears to be a bug in the symbol pronunciation function.  I changed the pronunciation of exclamation point to exclaim.  I changed the when spoken setting to character.  I then tried to change it back to bang and set the when spoken setting to all.  It remains stuck on saying exclaim.  I've tried making the change with different setting levels set before I made the change and changed the settings level afterwords.  Nothing I do changes what is spoken.  It still says exclaim.  I also tried leaving the pronounced as field blank.  Even then, when I read a sentence or even the word itself written on a single line in Notepad, it still says exclaim.  I assume it will do this wherever the sign is encountered.  Unless a bug was found and corrected at some point related to the punctuation mark pronunciation feature, it needs to be tested rigorously so that others don't have things get stuck as I did. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

As I said earlier, you didn't change all of them. Read this with your
symbol level turned up.

1. '
2. !
3. In-word '
4. ! sentence ending

On 4/23/2018 10:03 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
> That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe. 
> Both of them are still saying bang and tick.  The replacement field has
> my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.
>
> Roger
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
>> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for
>> this task, no add-on is required.  Open the dialog, arrow down to the
>> symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement
>> word, tab to OK and press enter.  Repeat for all items you wish to
>> change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Ervin, Glenn
>> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>>
>> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for
>> some of the punctuation either.
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Tyler Spivey
>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>>
>> You have to change all of them.
>> 1. ! sentence ending
>> 2. !
>> 3. in-word '
>> 4. '
>>
>> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
>>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into punctuation/symbol
>>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
>>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting nvda
>>> but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
>>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
>>> them.  How do I make them take hold?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Are you sure that's the right link? I clicked it and I don't see the extension at all. I see stuff in a diffeent language

On Apr 20, 2018, at 6:16 PM, bob jutzi <jutzi1@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, I did a Google, found the following link, and clicked Add to Chrome so I've got it.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/just-read/dgmanlpmmkibanfdgjocnabmcaclkmod?hl=en
On 4/20/2018 8:43 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi Bob!
Yes, it is an extension that you can easily install.
Just go to the extensions page, and type Just Read in the search edit, and it will be the first choice for accessibility extensions for Chrome.
It works very well.
From the web page, you can press applications or Shift+F10, and you can arrow to a choice to use Just Read on that page.
David Moore
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Friday, April 20, 2018 8:34 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?
Is this an add-on needing to be installed? I'm only aware of the below
command to add to the shortcut properties to enable Reading View.
--enable-dom-distiller
On 4/20/2018 8:32 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi!

Chrome also has an add on call Just Read.

It does the same thing as the reading mode in Edge, where all the
clutter is gone, and leaves just the text on the page!

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *bob jutzi <mailto:jutzi1@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Friday, April 20, 2018 6:38 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

Not sure about IE but Edge, Alt-D and tab to a button labeled Enter

Reading View. Mainly available on sites featuring articles.

On 4/20/2018 5:08 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

> How do we get to reader mode for other browsers?

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
bob jutzi

> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:06 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

>

> If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.

>

> On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:

>> Hi all, as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip

>> links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story. can

>> someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.

>>

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Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Michael
 

I changed the exclamation point to be spoken as 'factorial'. I am happy. But
now "wow" says wow factorial.
I like it factorial.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

I found only one other instance of exclamation point and apostrophe and
they both said all. After I changed those, now it is working. There
aren't 4 of anything that needs changing but just 2. At least it's doing
what I want it to now!

Roger












On 4/23/2018 12:32 PM, Gene wrote:


I don't know why that is. If you are doing things correctly, then
there appears to be a problem with your NVDA extension or perhaps with
Windows that is keeping the change from being implemented. I don't know
if the installed version keeps the changes in the program or in the
registry.

But some things should be clarified to save people unnecessary work.
First, at least when I tested with an old version of NVDA, you don't have
to save the configuration. These settings are independent of the
configuration. So be sure you want to change what you are changing.
Unlike other changes in NVDA, once you make a change here, it
remains, even if you apply the saved configuration before you save the
current one.

Also, sentence ending means what is says. If you just change
sentence ending, it will just change sentence ending. You don't have to
change the sentence ending setting if you want to change how the symbol is
spoken everywhere. You can just change the setting for the symbol that
has no description of what the setting affects. For example, there is an
explanation point setting that doesn't say sentence end or anything else.
Changing what is spoken for that item will change how it is spoken
everywhere.


From: Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe.
Both of them are still saying bang and tick. The replacement field
has
my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger









On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate
for this task, no add-on is required. Open the dialog, arrow down to the
symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement word,
tab to OK and press enter. Repeat for all items you wish to change, then
Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Ervin, Glenn
> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names
for
some of the punctuation either.
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Tyler Spivey
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> You have to change all of them.
> 1. ! sentence ending
> 2. !
> 3. in-word '
> 4. '
>
> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from
bang to
>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe. I go into
punctuation/symbol
>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok
button
to
>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect. I tried restarting
nvda
>> but it still stays the same. I went back into the punctuation
>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I
set
>> them. How do I make them take hold?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>









Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Gene
 

What I thought was a bug wasn't, so my problem need not be investigated.
 
I had been experimenting to see if the speech dictionary could be used to change how punctuation is spoken.  When I tried, it had no effect.  I had removed the entry but somehow, it returned and worked after that.  I don't know what happened.  But the problem was something regarding the speech dictionary and it has been corrected.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

The level setting, some most all, etc. has nothing to do with how the symbol is spoken.  It only affects where it is spoken. 
 
I'm testing with an old version of NVDA so this may not apply any longer.  I am testing the portable version.  But there appears to be a bug in the symbol pronunciation function.  I changed the pronunciation of exclamation point to exclaim.  I changed the when spoken setting to character.  I then tried to change it back to bang and set the when spoken setting to all.  It remains stuck on saying exclaim.  I've tried making the change with different setting levels set before I made the change and changed the settings level afterwords.  Nothing I do changes what is spoken.  It still says exclaim.  I also tried leaving the pronounced as field blank.  Even then, when I read a sentence or even the word itself written on a single line in Notepad, it still says exclaim.  I assume it will do this wherever the sign is encountered.  Unless a bug was found and corrected at some point related to the punctuation mark pronunciation feature, it needs to be tested rigorously so that others don't have things get stuck as I did. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

As I said earlier, you didn't change all of them. Read this with your
symbol level turned up.

1. '
2. !
3. In-word '
4. ! sentence ending

On 4/23/2018 10:03 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
> That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe. 
> Both of them are still saying bang and tick.  The replacement field has
> my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.
>
> Roger
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
>> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for
>> this task, no add-on is required.  Open the dialog, arrow down to the
>> symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement
>> word, tab to OK and press enter.  Repeat for all items you wish to
>> change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Ervin, Glenn
>> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>>
>> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for
>> some of the punctuation either.
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Tyler Spivey
>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>>
>> You have to change all of them.
>> 1. ! sentence ending
>> 2. !
>> 3. in-word '
>> 4. '
>>
>> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
>>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into punctuation/symbol
>>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
>>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting nvda
>>> but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
>>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
>>> them.  How do I make them take hold?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Gene
 

I'm not shsure what that means.  Is it a bug?  That setting would be expected to determine when punctuation is spoken.  For example, if all is the level for the exclamation point, it shouldn't be spoken unless your synthesizer punctuation setting is set to all.  If it is set on most, then if your synthesizer punctuation setting is set to most, it should be spoken and if your synthesizer punctuation setting is set to all, it should also be spoken.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

I found only one other instance of exclamation point and apostrophe and they both said all.  After I changed those, now it is working.  There aren't 4 of anything that needs changing but just 2.  At least it's doing what I want it to now!

Roger












On 4/23/2018 12:32 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know why that is.  If you are doing things correctly, then there appears to be a problem with your NVDA extension or perhaps with Windows that is keeping the change from being implemented.  I don't know if the installed version keeps the changes in the program or in the registry. 
 
But some things should be clarified to save people unnecessary work.  First, at least when I tested with an old version of NVDA, you don't have to save the configuration.  These settings are independent of the configuration.  So be sure you want to change what you are changing. 
Unlike other changes in NVDA, once you make a change here, it remains, even if you apply the saved configuration before you save the current one. 
 
Also, sentence ending means what is says.  If you just change sentence ending, it will just change sentence ending.  You don't have to change the sentence ending setting if you want to change how the symbol is spoken everywhere.  You can just change the setting for the symbol that has no description of what the setting affects.  For example, there is an explanation point setting that doesn't say sentence end or anything else.  Changing what is spoken for that item will change how it is spoken everywhere.
 

Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe. 
Both of them are still saying bang and tick.  The replacement field has
my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger









On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for this task, no add-on is required.  Open the dialog, arrow down to the symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement word, tab to OK and press enter.  Repeat for all items you wish to change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for some of the punctuation either.
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> You have to change all of them.
> 1. ! sentence ending
> 2. !
> 3. in-word '
> 4. '
>
> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into punctuation/symbol
>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting nvda
>> but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
>> them.  How do I make them take hold?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Editing Excel Cells

Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...>
 

Hello Cearbhall,

 

Following Quentin’s suggestion: I hit alt + f, up-arrowed to options, hit enter, arrowed down to advanced, tabbed to the check box for “directly editing cells “, unchecked that box, and hit OK.  This solved my f2 Excel editing problem. 

 

You should not have to concern yourself with maximizing Excel after this change.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Quentin,

 

When I open an excel sheet in OFFice 2016, windows 10 and latest NVDA, NVDA speaks the cell results and so I missed the fact that the worksheet was stil minimised! In that state, when I press F2, NVDA says blank. In the case of a formula  in the cell, control-shift-home gets equals and so it is evident that there is a problem. At this stage I maximise the screen and NVDA speaks the entire formula immediately.

 

From your question I examined my actions and realised that I should maximise the screen before doing anything else!

 

I am very pleased with the ease with which NVDA works with Excel and I am able to write macros and build formulas whenever I need them.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Thank you Quentin,

 

Unchecking the “edit cells directly” option in the advanced options allows f2 to work correctly.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 7:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Pranav,

 

I hadn't actually touched my Excel settings when this started.  I just went in and the setting (in Advanced) was checked.  When I unchecked it, when I press F2 now visually the caret moves to the function bar rather than editing directly in the cell, and NVDA is currently reading the text correctly while editing.

 

Cearbhall, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by minimised and maximised here?  When you press F2, the Excel window doesn't change dramatically.  If editing in cell as I was previously, the caret would appear in the current cell, and if needed the text would flow across to the right of the screen and then down to lower rows, if it didn't fit in the current cell.  If editing in the function bar, the caret appears up there instead, but there is no other minimise or maximise aside from the entire Excel window (which was already maximised).

 

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 8:35 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

Quentin,

 

I use F2 to edit the cell but then NVDA cannot read the contents as the cell opens minimised. When I maximise the cell NVDA reads the contents immediately. I had not noticed this before! Could it be part of the change that you are referring to? I agree that this is a Microsoft issue as the cell is not minimised by NVDA but by Excel.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 3:32 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Hello Quentin,

 

I believe you are correct in saying that Microsoft changed something in office that disabled the F2 cell editing capability in Excel.  It took VFO several months to solve this issue. 

 

I looked up the NVDA incident report.  Following the suggestions there, I removed and restored my Office 365.  I still do not have the NVDA F2 cell editing function.

 

I am using NVDA 2018.1.1.

 

Thanks for your information.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 12:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Hi Louis,

 

Pressing F2 to edit cell contents in Excel is a function of Excel itself, rather than the screen reader.  So, yes you can do this with NVDA.  Interesting that you say this functionality no longer works with Jaws, as we have started seeing problems with it in NVDA, so I wonder if it is not something either screen reader has done, but perhaps something Microsoft has done that has broken how we get the information about cells being edited.  For a sighted user, and indeed using NVDA, the functionality appears to work just the same as it ever has, it's just that NVDA reports "unknown" when you press F2, and then does not read the contents of the cell.

 

We have at least one issue open for this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8146

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 8:32 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...> wrote:

Folks,

I recently migrated from JAWS to NVDA.  In JAWS, a user can edit an Excel cell by putting the cursor on the cell and hitting f2.  Recently this functionality disappeared from JAWS; however, with today's release (J2018.1804.26) this functionality has returned.

Does NVDA have an Excel cell editing method?


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@...



 

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Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Gene
 

The level setting, some most all, etc. has nothing to do with how the symbol is spoken.  It only affects where it is spoken. 
 
I'm testing with an old version of NVDA so this may not apply any longer.  I am testing the portable version.  But there appears to be a bug in the symbol pronunciation function.  I changed the pronunciation of exclamation point to exclaim.  I changed the when spoken setting to character.  I then tried to change it back to bang and set the when spoken setting to all.  It remains stuck on saying exclaim.  I've tried making the change with different setting levels set before I made the change and changed the settings level afterwords.  Nothing I do changes what is spoken.  It still says exclaim.  I also tried leaving the pronounced as field blank.  Even then, when I read a sentence or even the word itself written on a single line in Notepad, it still says exclaim.  I assume it will do this wherever the sign is encountered.  Unless a bug was found and corrected at some point related to the punctuation mark pronunciation feature, it needs to be tested rigorously so that others don't have things get stuck as I did. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

As I said earlier, you didn't change all of them. Read this with your
symbol level turned up.

1. '
2. !
3. In-word '
4. ! sentence ending

On 4/23/2018 10:03 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
> That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe. 
> Both of them are still saying bang and tick.  The replacement field has
> my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.
>
> Roger
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
>> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for
>> this task, no add-on is required.  Open the dialog, arrow down to the
>> symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement
>> word, tab to OK and press enter.  Repeat for all items you wish to
>> change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Ervin, Glenn
>> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>>
>> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for
>> some of the punctuation either.
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Tyler Spivey
>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>>
>> You have to change all of them.
>> 1. ! sentence ending
>> 2. !
>> 3. in-word '
>> 4. '
>>
>> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
>>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into punctuation/symbol
>>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
>>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting nvda
>>> but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
>>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
>>> them.  How do I make them take hold?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: Editing Excel Cells

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Quentin,

 

When I open an excel sheet in OFFice 2016, windows 10 and latest NVDA, NVDA speaks the cell results and so I missed the fact that the worksheet was stil minimised! In that state, when I press F2, NVDA says blank. In the case of a formula  in the cell, control-shift-home gets equals and so it is evident that there is a problem. At this stage I maximise the screen and NVDA speaks the entire formula immediately.

 

From your question I examined my actions and realised that I should maximise the screen before doing anything else!

 

I am very pleased with the ease with which NVDA works with Excel and I am able to write macros and build formulas whenever I need them.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Thank you Quentin,

 

Unchecking the “edit cells directly” option in the advanced options allows f2 to work correctly.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 7:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Pranav,

 

I hadn't actually touched my Excel settings when this started.  I just went in and the setting (in Advanced) was checked.  When I unchecked it, when I press F2 now visually the caret moves to the function bar rather than editing directly in the cell, and NVDA is currently reading the text correctly while editing.

 

Cearbhall, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by minimised and maximised here?  When you press F2, the Excel window doesn't change dramatically.  If editing in cell as I was previously, the caret would appear in the current cell, and if needed the text would flow across to the right of the screen and then down to lower rows, if it didn't fit in the current cell.  If editing in the function bar, the caret appears up there instead, but there is no other minimise or maximise aside from the entire Excel window (which was already maximised).

 

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 8:35 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

Quentin,

 

I use F2 to edit the cell but then NVDA cannot read the contents as the cell opens minimised. When I maximise the cell NVDA reads the contents immediately. I had not noticed this before! Could it be part of the change that you are referring to? I agree that this is a Microsoft issue as the cell is not minimised by NVDA but by Excel.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 3:32 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Hello Quentin,

 

I believe you are correct in saying that Microsoft changed something in office that disabled the F2 cell editing capability in Excel.  It took VFO several months to solve this issue. 

 

I looked up the NVDA incident report.  Following the suggestions there, I removed and restored my Office 365.  I still do not have the NVDA F2 cell editing function.

 

I am using NVDA 2018.1.1.

 

Thanks for your information.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 12:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Editing Excel Cells

 

Hi Louis,

 

Pressing F2 to edit cell contents in Excel is a function of Excel itself, rather than the screen reader.  So, yes you can do this with NVDA.  Interesting that you say this functionality no longer works with Jaws, as we have started seeing problems with it in NVDA, so I wonder if it is not something either screen reader has done, but perhaps something Microsoft has done that has broken how we get the information about cells being edited.  For a sighted user, and indeed using NVDA, the functionality appears to work just the same as it ever has, it's just that NVDA reports "unknown" when you press F2, and then does not read the contents of the cell.

 

We have at least one issue open for this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8146

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 8:32 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...> wrote:

Folks,

I recently migrated from JAWS to NVDA.  In JAWS, a user can edit an Excel cell by putting the cursor on the cell and hitting f2.  Recently this functionality disappeared from JAWS; however, with today's release (J2018.1804.26) this functionality has returned.

Does NVDA have an Excel cell editing method?


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@...



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Roger Stewart
 

I found only one other instance of exclamation point and apostrophe and they both said all.  After I changed those, now it is working.  There aren't 4 of anything that needs changing but just 2.  At least it's doing what I want it to now!

Roger












On 4/23/2018 12:32 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know why that is.  If you are doing things correctly, then there appears to be a problem with your NVDA extension or perhaps with Windows that is keeping the change from being implemented.  I don't know if the installed version keeps the changes in the program or in the registry. 
 
But some things should be clarified to save people unnecessary work.  First, at least when I tested with an old version of NVDA, you don't have to save the configuration.  These settings are independent of the configuration.  So be sure you want to change what you are changing. 
Unlike other changes in NVDA, once you make a change here, it remains, even if you apply the saved configuration before you save the current one. 
 
Also, sentence ending means what is says.  If you just change sentence ending, it will just change sentence ending.  You don't have to change the sentence ending setting if you want to change how the symbol is spoken everywhere.  You can just change the setting for the symbol that has no description of what the setting affects.  For example, there is an explanation point setting that doesn't say sentence end or anything else.  Changing what is spoken for that item will change how it is spoken everywhere.
 

Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe. 
Both of them are still saying bang and tick.  The replacement field has
my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger









On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for this task, no add-on is required.  Open the dialog, arrow down to the symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement word, tab to OK and press enter.  Repeat for all items you wish to change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for some of the punctuation either.
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> You have to change all of them.
> 1. ! sentence ending
> 2. !
> 3. in-word '
> 4. '
>
> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into punctuation/symbol
>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting nvda
>> but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
>> them.  How do I make them take hold?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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>> Roger
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Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Gene
 

I don't know why that is.  If you are doing things correctly, then there appears to be a problem with your NVDA extension or perhaps with Windows that is keeping the change from being implemented.  I don't know if the installed version keeps the changes in the program or in the registry. 
 
But some things should be clarified to save people unnecessary work.  First, at least when I tested with an old version of NVDA, you don't have to save the configuration.  These settings are independent of the configuration.  So be sure you want to change what you are changing. 
Unlike other changes in NVDA, once you make a change here, it remains, even if you apply the saved configuration before you save the current one. 
 
Also, sentence ending means what is says.  If you just change sentence ending, it will just change sentence ending.  You don't have to change the sentence ending setting if you want to change how the symbol is spoken everywhere.  You can just change the setting for the symbol that has no description of what the setting affects.  For example, there is an explanation point setting that doesn't say sentence end or anything else.  Changing what is spoken for that item will change how it is spoken everywhere.
 

Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe. 
Both of them are still saying bang and tick.  The replacement field has
my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger









On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for this task, no add-on is required.  Open the dialog, arrow down to the symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement word, tab to OK and press enter.  Repeat for all items you wish to change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for some of the punctuation either.
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> You have to change all of them.
> 1. ! sentence ending
> 2. !
> 3. in-word '
> 4. '
>
> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into punctuation/symbol
>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting nvda
>> but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
>> them.  How do I make them take hold?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
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Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Tyler Spivey
 

As I said earlier, you didn't change all of them. Read this with your
symbol level turned up.

1. '
2. !
3. In-word '
4. ! sentence ending

On 4/23/2018 10:03 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe. 
Both of them are still saying bang and tick.  The replacement field has
my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger









On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for
this task, no add-on is required.  Open the dialog, arrow down to the
symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement
word, tab to OK and press enter.  Repeat for all items you wish to
change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for
some of the punctuation either.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Tyler Spivey
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

You have to change all of them.
1. ! sentence ending
2. !
3. in-word '
4. '

On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into punctuation/symbol
pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting nvda
but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
them.  How do I make them take hold?


Thanks!


Roger