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Re: Windows 10: Firefox 59 Unusable with NVDA

Gene
 

It sounds to me as though the problem is that, for some reason, the PDF viewer may not be opening.  I don't know why that might be.  I don't think that following the link per se is the problem. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: John Isige
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10: Firefox 59 Unusable with NVDA

Oh, here's how I opened the link. I went to the brochures page, got down
to the brochures, highlighted a link, November 2014 or whatever with the
arrow keys, and pressed enter, specifically enter on the main keyboard.
I didn't touch the number pad in any of this. It didn't show up as being
in tables for me, but I have include layout tables unchecked.


On 4/24/2018 11:54, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
>
> Quentin,
>
> I am using Firefox 59.0 64 bit in Windows 10 with latest NVDA.
>
> When I use Firefox, I cannot open some links. If you try the web site
> www.brayarts.net <http://www.brayarts.net> you will find that Firefox
> opens the links to the associated pages on the web site but not to the
> attached .PDF files. For example, open “Brochures Page”. When this
> page opens you will see that it is laid out in sets of HTML tables
> containing a link to a .pdf brochure in each cell of the table. The
> brochure files are held on the website.
>
> When I press tab to get to any of these links, NVDA echoes that I am
> on the link and numpad  5 confirms this. I press space bar to open it.
> This has always worked up to last month but Now, all that happens is
> that Firefox opens a new tab with nothing in it!
>
> I tried using JAWS to see if this was a problem for NVDA alone but
> JAWS was also unable to open the link so, I think it is a Firefox problem.
>
> Does NVDA have another means of opening a link besides the space bar,
> the application key, numpad * or numpad enter, …  All of these do nothing!
>
> Would you try the link www.brayarts.net <http://www.brayarts.net> and
> see if you are having the same trouble?
>
> All the best,
>
> Cearbhall
>
> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>
>





Re: Windows 10: Firefox 59 Unusable with NVDA

Gene
 

I'm not saying this is the cause of your problem because I don't think it is.  But space is not the documented command for following links.  Enter is.  If you use commands that aren't documented, they may work some or most of the time but not always. 
 
I don't mean that enter is the command just for NVDA, but standard browsers supported by Windows screen-readers use enter as the documented command.  And Windows screen-readers that follow proper standards do also.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10: Firefox 59 Unusable with NVDA

Quentin,

 

I have just tried the link www.brayarts.net on Google Chrome and it works perfectly with NVDA, successfully opening the .PDF brochure in a separate window. This also suggests that this is a Firefox problem.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:55 PM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: Windows 10: Firefox 59 Unusable with NVDA

 

Quentin,

 

I am using Firefox 59.0 64 bit in Windows 10 with latest NVDA.

 

When I use Firefox, I cannot open some links. If you try the web site www.brayarts.net you will find that Firefox opens the links to the associated pages on the web site but not to the attached .PDF files. For example, open “Brochures Page”. When this page opens you will see that it is laid out in sets of HTML tables containing a link to a .pdf brochure in each cell of the table. The brochure files are held on the website.  

 

When I press tab to get to any of these links, NVDA echoes that I am on the link and numpad  5 confirms this. I press space bar to open it. This has always worked up to last month but Now, all that happens is that Firefox opens a new tab with nothing in it!

 

I tried using JAWS to see if this was a problem for NVDA alone but JAWS was also unable to open the link so, I think it is a Firefox problem.

 

Does NVDA have another means of opening a link besides the space bar, the application key, numpad * or numpad enter, …  All of these do nothing!

 

Would you try the link www.brayarts.net and see if you are having the same trouble?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

 


Re: Windows 10: Firefox 59 Unusable with NVDA

Chris
 

Same here no problems read the pdf okay

Maybe this is something to do with the adobe plugin???

 

 

 

From: John Isige
Sent: 24 April 2018 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10: Firefox 59 Unusable with NVDA

 

I clicked on that link, clicked on brochures or whatever, and picked the

first one, November 2014 or such. It came up just fine. At first it had

the typical PDF controls, zoom and such, and then below those it said

"clickable" and it was blank, but if you wait a second or two, maybe

longer depending on your connection, it comes up. I read about a

photographer and some sort of American tribal belly dance troop,

whatever the hell that means, and a group who did 1950s French and

Italian music whose saxophone is apparently coming real soon now.

 

 

This is using "Microsoft WindowsVersion 1709 (OS Build 16299.371"

64-bit, NVDA 1018.1.1, and Firefox 59.0.2 64-bit.

 

 

On 4/24/2018 12:06, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

> Quentin,

> I have just tried the link www.brayarts.net <http://www.brayarts.net>

> on Google Chrome and it works perfectly with NVDA, successfully

> opening the .PDF brochure in a separate window. This also suggests

> that this is a Firefox problem.

> All the best,

> Cearbhall

> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

> *From:*Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>

> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:55 PM

> *To:* 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject:* RE: Windows 10: Firefox 59 Unusable with NVDA

> Quentin,

> I am using Firefox 59.0 64 bit in Windows 10 with latest NVDA.

> When I use Firefox, I cannot open some links. If you try the web site

> www.brayarts.net <http://www.brayarts.net> you will find that Firefox

> opens the links to the associated pages on the web site but not to the

> attached .PDF files. For example, open “Brochures Page”. When this

> page opens you will see that it is laid out in sets of HTML tables

> containing a link to a .pdf brochure in each cell of the table. The

> brochure files are held on the website.

> When I press tab to get to any of these links, NVDA echoes that I am

> on the link and numpad  5 confirms this. I press space bar to open it.

> This has always worked up to last month but Now, all that happens is

> that Firefox opens a new tab with nothing in it!

> I tried using JAWS to see if this was a problem for NVDA alone but

> JAWS was also unable to open the link so, I think it is a Firefox problem.

> Does NVDA have another means of opening a link besides the space bar,

> the application key, numpad * or numpad enter, …  All of these do nothing!

> Would you try the link www.brayarts.net <http://www.brayarts.net> and

> see if you are having the same trouble?

> All the best,

> Cearbhall

> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e:

> cearbhall.omeadhra@... <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...>

>

 

 

 

 


Re: Windows 10: Firefox 59 Unusable with NVDA

John Isige
 

Oh, here's how I opened the link. I went to the brochures page, got down
to the brochures, highlighted a link, November 2014 or whatever with the
arrow keys, and pressed enter, specifically enter on the main keyboard.
I didn't touch the number pad in any of this. It didn't show up as being
in tables for me, but I have include layout tables unchecked.

On 4/24/2018 11:54, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Quentin,

I am using Firefox 59.0 64 bit in Windows 10 with latest NVDA.

When I use Firefox, I cannot open some links. If you try the web site
www.brayarts.net <http://www.brayarts.net> you will find that Firefox
opens the links to the associated pages on the web site but not to the
attached .PDF files. For example, open “Brochures Page”. When this
page opens you will see that it is laid out in sets of HTML tables
containing a link to a .pdf brochure in each cell of the table. The
brochure files are held on the website.

When I press tab to get to any of these links, NVDA echoes that I am
on the link and numpad  5 confirms this. I press space bar to open it.
This has always worked up to last month but Now, all that happens is
that Firefox opens a new tab with nothing in it!

I tried using JAWS to see if this was a problem for NVDA alone but
JAWS was also unable to open the link so, I think it is a Firefox problem.

Does NVDA have another means of opening a link besides the space bar,
the application key, numpad * or numpad enter, …  All of these do nothing!

Would you try the link www.brayarts.net <http://www.brayarts.net> and
see if you are having the same trouble?

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie


Re: Windows 10: Firefox 59 Unusable with NVDA

John Isige
 

I clicked on that link, clicked on brochures or whatever, and picked the
first one, November 2014 or such. It came up just fine. At first it had
the typical PDF controls, zoom and such, and then below those it said
"clickable" and it was blank, but if you wait a second or two, maybe
longer depending on your connection, it comes up. I read about a
photographer and some sort of American tribal belly dance troop,
whatever the hell that means, and a group who did 1950s French and
Italian music whose saxophone is apparently coming real soon now.


This is using "Microsoft WindowsVersion 1709 (OS Build 16299.371"
64-bit, NVDA 1018.1.1, and Firefox 59.0.2 64-bit.

On 4/24/2018 12:06, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Quentin,

I have just tried the link www.brayarts.net <http://www.brayarts.net>
on Google Chrome and it works perfectly with NVDA, successfully
opening the .PDF brochure in a separate window. This also suggests
that this is a Firefox problem.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie

*From:*Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie>
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:55 PM
*To:* 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* RE: Windows 10: Firefox 59 Unusable with NVDA

Quentin,

I am using Firefox 59.0 64 bit in Windows 10 with latest NVDA.

When I use Firefox, I cannot open some links. If you try the web site
www.brayarts.net <http://www.brayarts.net> you will find that Firefox
opens the links to the associated pages on the web site but not to the
attached .PDF files. For example, open “Brochures Page”. When this
page opens you will see that it is laid out in sets of HTML tables
containing a link to a .pdf brochure in each cell of the table. The
brochure files are held on the website.

When I press tab to get to any of these links, NVDA echoes that I am
on the link and numpad  5 confirms this. I press space bar to open it.
This has always worked up to last month but Now, all that happens is
that Firefox opens a new tab with nothing in it!

I tried using JAWS to see if this was a problem for NVDA alone but
JAWS was also unable to open the link so, I think it is a Firefox problem.

Does NVDA have another means of opening a link besides the space bar,
the application key, numpad * or numpad enter, …  All of these do nothing!

Would you try the link www.brayarts.net <http://www.brayarts.net> and
see if you are having the same trouble?

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e:
cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie>


Re: Windows 10: Firefox 59 Unusable with NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Quentin,

 

I have just tried the link www.brayarts.net on Google Chrome and it works perfectly with NVDA, successfully opening the .PDF brochure in a separate window. This also suggests that this is a Firefox problem.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:55 PM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: Windows 10: Firefox 59 Unusable with NVDA

 

Quentin,

 

I am using Firefox 59.0 64 bit in Windows 10 with latest NVDA.

 

When I use Firefox, I cannot open some links. If you try the web site www.brayarts.net you will find that Firefox opens the links to the associated pages on the web site but not to the attached .PDF files. For example, open “Brochures Page”. When this page opens you will see that it is laid out in sets of HTML tables containing a link to a .pdf brochure in each cell of the table. The brochure files are held on the website.  

 

When I press tab to get to any of these links, NVDA echoes that I am on the link and numpad  5 confirms this. I press space bar to open it. This has always worked up to last month but Now, all that happens is that Firefox opens a new tab with nothing in it!

 

I tried using JAWS to see if this was a problem for NVDA alone but JAWS was also unable to open the link so, I think it is a Firefox problem.

 

Does NVDA have another means of opening a link besides the space bar, the application key, numpad * or numpad enter, …  All of these do nothing!

 

Would you try the link www.brayarts.net and see if you are having the same trouble?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

 


Re: Windows 10: Firefox 59 Unusable with NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Quentin,

 

I am using Firefox 59.0 64 bit in Windows 10 with latest NVDA.

 

When I use Firefox, I cannot open some links. If you try the web site www.brayarts.net you will find that Firefox opens the links to the associated pages on the web site but not to the attached .PDF files. For example, open “Brochures Page”. When this page opens you will see that it is laid out in sets of HTML tables containing a link to a .pdf brochure in each cell of the table. The brochure files are held on the website.  

 

When I press tab to get to any of these links, NVDA echoes that I am on the link and numpad  5 confirms this. I press space bar to open it. This has always worked up to last month but Now, all that happens is that Firefox opens a new tab with nothing in it!

 

I tried using JAWS to see if this was a problem for NVDA alone but JAWS was also unable to open the link so, I think it is a Firefox problem.

 

Does NVDA have another means of opening a link besides the space bar, the application key, numpad * or numpad enter, …  All of these do nothing!

 

Would you try the link www.brayarts.net and see if you are having the same trouble?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

 


Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Gene
 

NVDA key n to open the menu.  Find preferences and press enter.  In this submenu, up arrow, it's much closer to the punctuation settings dialog.  Press enter. 
 
Do you work with the NVDA menu or do you just work with shortcuts to open one dialog or another. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Casey
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

Hi how do you open this dialog so that you can work with it?




On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for this task, no add-on is required.  Open the dialog, arrow down to the symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement word, tab to OK and press enter.  Repeat for all items you wish to change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
> Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for some of the punctuation either.
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation
>
> You have to change all of them.
> 1. ! sentence ending
> 2. !
> 3. in-word '
> 4. '
>
> On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
>> I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
>> exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe.  I go into punctuation/symbol
>> pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
>> save the changes but it doesn't take effect.  I tried restarting nvda
>> but it still stays the same.  I went back into the punctuation
>> pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
>> them.  How do I make them take hold?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--

Casey




Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi how do you open this dialog so that you can work with it?

On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for this task, no add-on is required. Open the dialog, arrow down to the symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement word, tab to OK and press enter. Repeat for all items you wish to change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for some of the punctuation either.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

You have to change all of them.
1. ! sentence ending
2. !
3. in-word '
4. '

On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe. I go into punctuation/symbol
pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
save the changes but it doesn't take effect. I tried restarting nvda
but it still stays the same. I went back into the punctuation
pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
them. How do I make them take hold?


Thanks!


Roger












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Casey


Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Ronald J Glaser
 

Where can a person get information on thsi program?


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Re: Looking for a Synthesizer

Juan Hernandez
 

What are your computer's specifications? i.e. cpu, ram, etc etc? What os are you running?

Best.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 5:44 PM
Cc: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Looking for a Synthesizer

Hi good people:
I've sent this question before, but I didn't give a clear understanding of the issue.
I did say that I use an old synthesizer, known as viavoice outloud, to access NVDA. I did say then that the synthesizer is too slow in responding to commands.
But, actually, I only have problems with the synthesizer when I am on the internet. It is very slow on the internet, irrespective of the browser I use. I use internet explorer chrome and firefox.
Sometimes when I am browsing, the synthesizer just stops work all together, and I have to shut down the computer. Sometimes when I am trying to spell out a word I've just typed on an Email, using the right arrow key, the screen reader shuts down.
I've done a windows update several times, scanned my computer with microsoft security essentials, and have also used CCleaner, but I am still having the same problem.
Please can anyone think of a solution.
I can't use ESpeak because I just don't understand the speech. The microsoft speech is one I don't like, because it is too low. I like viavoice outloud, because it sounds almost as good as eloquence.
Unfortunately I don't have money to buy the license for eloquence.
Can anyone suggest a free synthesizer. I tried out the vocalizer, but it was asking for a license key.
I hope this mail is not too long, and I hope I am well understood.
Hope to read a response.
Thanks and best regards.
From Ibrahim.


Re: Looking for a Synthesizer

Gene
 

I should also add that, when using firefox and NVDA on a rather slow XP computer, I had a very annoyingly slow response time when writing in a browser.  This was in edit fields that showed spelling errors.  I turned off the notification in NVDA and writing in such fields became much more responsive.  Turn off the feature and see what happens.  This was when using Via Voice but I don't think the unresponsiveness had anything to do with Via Voice.  I also suspect the same problem would have occurred regardless of browser being used.
 
The setting is a check box in the Document Formatting dialog, in Preferences.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a Synthesizer

Have you tried using browsers with other synthesizers?  If not, the first thing to do is to be sure the problem only happens with Via Voice.  After that, what version of Windows are you using and are you using typical browsers, Internet Explorer, Chrome, or Firefox? 
 
If the problem only occurs with browsers, I'm not sure I have any solutions.  You said the Microsoft voices are too low.  the work around might be to find a way to increase the volume and use Via Voice for other things if you wish and the Microsoft voices on the Internet.  At some point, you might be able to by Eloquence but you may want to test a demo of the SAPI 5 version of Eloquence to see if you have the same problems with browsers as you do with Via Voice.  Then you would know if you have that alternative available if you can take advantage of it at some point.  It wouldn't be very pleasant to believe you do and then find out you don't at some point when you might have been looking forward to it. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 7:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] Looking for a Synthesizer

Hi good people:
I've sent this question before, but I didn't give a clear
understanding of the issue.
I did say that I use an old synthesizer, known as viavoice outloud, to
access NVDA.  I did say then that the synthesizer is too slow in
responding to commands.
But, actually, I only have problems with the synthesizer when I am on
the internet.  It is very slow on the internet, irrespective of the
browser I use.  I use internet explorer chrome and firefox.
Sometimes when I am browsing, the synthesizer just stops work all
together, and I have to shut down the computer.  Sometimes when I am
trying to spell out a word I've just typed on an Email, using the
right arrow key, the screen reader shuts down.
I've done a windows update several times, scanned my computer with
microsoft security essentials, and have also used CCleaner, but I am
still having the same problem.
Please can anyone think of a solution.
I can't use ESpeak because I just don't understand the speech.  The
microsoft speech is one I don't like, because it is too low.  I like
viavoice outloud, because it sounds almost as good as eloquence.
Unfortunately I don't have money to buy the license for eloquence.
Can anyone suggest a free synthesizer.  I tried out the vocalizer, but
it was asking for a license key.
I hope this mail is not too long, and I hope I am well understood.
Hope to read a response.
Thanks and best  regards.
From Ibrahim.



Re: Looking for a Synthesizer

Gene
 

That may be your experience.  It isn't mine.  Via Voice works well on three computers I've used it on, two of them XP machines and one a Windows 7 machine.  I don't know how it works in Windows 10.  There is a problem with Via Voice and that is that it causes NVDA to crash enough to be somewhat annoying.  That may be the result of it being a SAPI 4 API, but I don't know if it is or if it is caused by Via Voice itself. 
 
Usually, NVDA automatically runs itself again but at times, it crashes in such a way that it doesn't.  At times, a message may be shown that you have to respond to.  In cases where it crashes and doesn't restart, you may want to run Narrator or something else to make sure if there is a message and what it is.  If it doesn't restart, I'm not sure, but it may be better not to try to run it again, but rather to run Narrator, or whatever, and make sure there is no message first.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a Synthesizer

Via Voice out loud is now very old. its Sappi 4 and always had issues in
nvda when arrowing through, sometimes two chars can be heard sometimes
nothing at all.
 I really feel that for everyday use, you need something more modern, at
least espeak or sappi 5 or one of the newer built in voices in Windows. Of
course if your machine is slow, a lot of these will lag.
 You may need to buy Eloquence, as Via Voice is an eloquence clone of a
sort, but I think this is the  problem in your case. I'm sure others will be
along to make suggestions, but as always, the speech synth you are used to
is always going to sound better than others, and it may be you have to live
with this till you get used to a new one.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ibrahim Ajayi" <kobisko@...>
Cc: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:44 AM
Subject: [nvda] Looking for a Synthesizer


> Hi good people:
> I've sent this question before, but I didn't give a clear
> understanding of the issue.
> I did say that I use an old synthesizer, known as viavoice outloud, to
> access NVDA.  I did say then that the synthesizer is too slow in
> responding to commands.
> But, actually, I only have problems with the synthesizer when I am on
> the internet.  It is very slow on the internet, irrespective of the
> browser I use.  I use internet explorer chrome and firefox.
> Sometimes when I am browsing, the synthesizer just stops work all
> together, and I have to shut down the computer.  Sometimes when I am
> trying to spell out a word I've just typed on an Email, using the
> right arrow key, the screen reader shuts down.
> I've done a windows update several times, scanned my computer with
> microsoft security essentials, and have also used CCleaner, but I am
> still having the same problem.
> Please can anyone think of a solution.
> I can't use ESpeak because I just don't understand the speech.  The
> microsoft speech is one I don't like, because it is too low.  I like
> viavoice outloud, because it sounds almost as good as eloquence.
> Unfortunately I don't have money to buy the license for eloquence.
> Can anyone suggest a free synthesizer.  I tried out the vocalizer, but
> it was asking for a license key.
> I hope this mail is not too long, and I hope I am well understood.
> Hope to read a response.
> Thanks and best  regards.
> From Ibrahim.
>
>
>




Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Josh Kennedy
 

if you are in the united states and you wish to save money on a fixed income, check out the able disability program. you can save up to $100000 and it will not affect your social security and it also will not affect any wellfare services you get.

josh


Re: Looking for a Synthesizer

Rui Fontes
 

You can test Eloquence in SAPI5 through this link:
http://tiflotecnia.net/eloquence_sapi5_tiflo.exe

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 01:44 de 24/04/2018, Ibrahim Ajayi escreveu:

Hi good people:
I've sent this question before, but I didn't give a clear
understanding of the issue.
I did say that I use an old synthesizer, known as viavoice outloud, to
access NVDA. I did say then that the synthesizer is too slow in
responding to commands.
But, actually, I only have problems with the synthesizer when I am on
the internet. It is very slow on the internet, irrespective of the
browser I use. I use internet explorer chrome and firefox.
Sometimes when I am browsing, the synthesizer just stops work all
together, and I have to shut down the computer. Sometimes when I am
trying to spell out a word I've just typed on an Email, using the
right arrow key, the screen reader shuts down.
I've done a windows update several times, scanned my computer with
microsoft security essentials, and have also used CCleaner, but I am
still having the same problem.
Please can anyone think of a solution.
I can't use ESpeak because I just don't understand the speech. The
microsoft speech is one I don't like, because it is too low. I like
viavoice outloud, because it sounds almost as good as eloquence.
Unfortunately I don't have money to buy the license for eloquence.
Can anyone suggest a free synthesizer. I tried out the vocalizer, but
it was asking for a license key.
I hope this mail is not too long, and I hope I am well understood.
Hope to read a response.
Thanks and best regards.
From Ibrahim.
.


Re: Looking for a Synthesizer

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Via Voice out loud is now very old. its Sappi 4 and always had issues in nvda when arrowing through, sometimes two chars can be heard sometimes nothing at all.
I really feel that for everyday use, you need something more modern, at least espeak or sappi 5 or one of the newer built in voices in Windows. Of course if your machine is slow, a lot of these will lag.
You may need to buy Eloquence, as Via Voice is an eloquence clone of a sort, but I think this is the problem in your case. I'm sure others will be along to make suggestions, but as always, the speech synth you are used to is always going to sound better than others, and it may be you have to live with this till you get used to a new one.
Brian

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in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ibrahim Ajayi" <kobisko@gmail.com>
Cc: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:44 AM
Subject: [nvda] Looking for a Synthesizer


Hi good people:
I've sent this question before, but I didn't give a clear
understanding of the issue.
I did say that I use an old synthesizer, known as viavoice outloud, to
access NVDA. I did say then that the synthesizer is too slow in
responding to commands.
But, actually, I only have problems with the synthesizer when I am on
the internet. It is very slow on the internet, irrespective of the
browser I use. I use internet explorer chrome and firefox.
Sometimes when I am browsing, the synthesizer just stops work all
together, and I have to shut down the computer. Sometimes when I am
trying to spell out a word I've just typed on an Email, using the
right arrow key, the screen reader shuts down.
I've done a windows update several times, scanned my computer with
microsoft security essentials, and have also used CCleaner, but I am
still having the same problem.
Please can anyone think of a solution.
I can't use ESpeak because I just don't understand the speech. The
microsoft speech is one I don't like, because it is too low. I like
viavoice outloud, because it sounds almost as good as eloquence.
Unfortunately I don't have money to buy the license for eloquence.
Can anyone suggest a free synthesizer. I tried out the vocalizer, but
it was asking for a license key.
I hope this mail is not too long, and I hope I am well understood.
Hope to read a response.
Thanks and best regards.
From Ibrahim.


Re: Changing punctuation pronunciation

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes, I was trying to over simplify it for the other reader, this is a further thing to be considered, and it shows up the differences in the defaults in some synths as well.

Brian

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briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>; <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation


A correction and another comment.

I was wrong in my first message. I thought I had tested this properly but, in some way, I didn't. Sentence end does need to be changed if you want to affect how the pronunciation mark is pronounced at a sentence end. It has to be changed in the other entry to affect everything else.

Also, as I thought, changing the setting in the all, most, etc. combo box in the pronunciation dialog changes when the punctuation mark is spoken depending on which level setting you are using in the NVDA setting for your synthesizer.

If you have a punctuation mark set to all in the punctuation mark pronunciation dialog, it will only be spoken if your NVDA synthesizer punctuation setting is set to all. If the mark is set to most in the pronunciation dialog, it will be spoken if the synthesizer setting is for either most or all. Let's say you want the period spoken when your synthesizer punctuation setting is set to none. If you set the period setting to none in the pronunciation dialog, it will be spoken when your synthesizer setting is set to none, some, most or all.

These level settings in the pronunciation dialog have nothing to do with what is spoken, just when.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:15 PM
To: Gene ; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation


What I thought was a bug wasn't, so my problem need not be investigated.

I had been experimenting to see if the speech dictionary could be used to change how punctuation is spoken. When I tried, it had no effect. I had removed the entry but somehow, it returned and worked after that. I don't know what happened. But the problem was something regarding the speech dictionary and it has been corrected.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation


The level setting, some most all, etc. has nothing to do with how the symbol is spoken. It only affects where it is spoken.

I'm testing with an old version of NVDA so this may not apply any longer. I am testing the portable version. But there appears to be a bug in the symbol pronunciation function. I changed the pronunciation of exclamation point to exclaim. I changed the when spoken setting to character. I then tried to change it back to bang and set the when spoken setting to all. It remains stuck on saying exclaim. I've tried making the change with different setting levels set before I made the change and changed the settings level afterwords. Nothing I do changes what is spoken. It still says exclaim. I also tried leaving the pronounced as field blank. Even then, when I read a sentence or even the word itself written on a single line in Notepad, it still says exclaim. I assume it will do this wherever the sign is encountered. Unless a bug was found and corrected at some point related to the punctuation mark pronunciation feature, it needs to be tested rigorously so that others don't have things get stuck as I did.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation


As I said earlier, you didn't change all of them. Read this with your
symbol level turned up.

1. '
2. !
3. In-word '
4. ! sentence ending

On 4/23/2018 10:03 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
That's just what I did for the exclamation point and the apostrophe.
Both of them are still saying bang and tick. The replacement field has
my changes saved, but they just don't take effect.

Roger









On 4/23/2018 10:48 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
The Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation' dialog is perfectly adequate for
this task, no add-on is required. Open the dialog, arrow down to the
symbol you want to change and press alt+r, type in the replacement
word, tab to OK and press enter. Repeat for all items you wish to
change, then Press NVDA+Control+c to save your configuration

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 23 April 2018 15:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

I would appreciate an add-on for this, I don't like those names for
some of the punctuation either.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Tyler Spivey
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing punctuation pronunciation

You have to change all of them.
1. ! sentence ending
2. !
3. in-word '
4. '

On 4/21/2018 11:57 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I'm trying to change the pronunciation of 2 punctuation s ! from bang to
exclaim and ' from tick to apostrophe. I go into punctuation/symbol
pronunciation and I can easily change them and I hit the ok button to
save the changes but it doesn't take effect. I tried restarting nvda
but it still stays the same. I went back into the punctuation
pronunciation again and the settings are being saved just as I set
them. How do I make them take hold?


Thanks!


Roger
















Re: For Orhan: Soulseek I Use Now On Send Space

 

can you write up a tutorial on using the qt versions?

On 4/23/2018 7:46 PM, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io wrote:
It's ok tbh I'm on QT for most of my needs. the only downside is I can't seem to close multiple tabs of searches or users. control+w doesn't work on the qt interface.

Orhan.
On 24/04/2018 01:54, Ron Canazzi wrote:
It works perfectly with NVDA latest version and Windows ten.



On 4/23/2018 8:13 PM, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Ron,
Sorry for getting back to this quite late. no, still no luck I'm afraid. the mouse pointer just won't move with the carot unfortunately. QT it is then.

Orhan.
On 08/04/2018 11:30, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I tried sending this off list to Orhan, but the e-mail address I extracted from his outgoing mail bounced it, so here it is for him and anyone else on Send Space.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/cvkbrf



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Re: Looking for a Synthesizer

Gene
 

Have you tried using browsers with other synthesizers?  If not, the first thing to do is to be sure the problem only happens with Via Voice.  After that, what version of Windows are you using and are you using typical browsers, Internet Explorer, Chrome, or Firefox? 
 
If the problem only occurs with browsers, I'm not sure I have any solutions.  You said the Microsoft voices are too low.  the work around might be to find a way to increase the volume and use Via Voice for other things if you wish and the Microsoft voices on the Internet.  At some point, you might be able to by Eloquence but you may want to test a demo of the SAPI 5 version of Eloquence to see if you have the same problems with browsers as you do with Via Voice.  Then you would know if you have that alternative available if you can take advantage of it at some point.  It wouldn't be very pleasant to believe you do and then find out you don't at some point when you might have been looking forward to it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 7:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] Looking for a Synthesizer

Hi good people:
I've sent this question before, but I didn't give a clear
understanding of the issue.
I did say that I use an old synthesizer, known as viavoice outloud, to
access NVDA.  I did say then that the synthesizer is too slow in
responding to commands.
But, actually, I only have problems with the synthesizer when I am on
the internet.  It is very slow on the internet, irrespective of the
browser I use.  I use internet explorer chrome and firefox.
Sometimes when I am browsing, the synthesizer just stops work all
together, and I have to shut down the computer.  Sometimes when I am
trying to spell out a word I've just typed on an Email, using the
right arrow key, the screen reader shuts down.
I've done a windows update several times, scanned my computer with
microsoft security essentials, and have also used CCleaner, but I am
still having the same problem.
Please can anyone think of a solution.
I can't use ESpeak because I just don't understand the speech.  The
microsoft speech is one I don't like, because it is too low.  I like
viavoice outloud, because it sounds almost as good as eloquence.
Unfortunately I don't have money to buy the license for eloquence.
Can anyone suggest a free synthesizer.  I tried out the vocalizer, but
it was asking for a license key.
I hope this mail is not too long, and I hope I am well understood.
Hope to read a response.
Thanks and best  regards.
From Ibrahim.



Re: For Orhan: Soulseek I Use Now On Send Space

Orhan Deniz <orhan.deniz63@...>
 

It's ok tbh I'm on QT for most of my needs. the only downside is I can't seem to close multiple tabs of searches or users. control+w doesn't work on the qt interface.

Orhan.

On 24/04/2018 01:54, Ron Canazzi wrote:
It works perfectly with NVDA latest version and Windows ten.
On 4/23/2018 8:13 PM, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Ron,
Sorry for getting back to this quite late. no, still no luck I'm afraid. the mouse pointer just won't move with the carot unfortunately. QT it is then.

Orhan.
On 08/04/2018 11:30, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I tried sending this off list to Orhan, but the e-mail address I extracted from his outgoing mail bounced it, so here it is for him and anyone else on Send Space.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/cvkbrf