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Re: SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #addonrelease

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

It came through here OK buts I've said before at times mail lists gets delayed or out of sequence messages occur. Not sure why but it can make one either reply to something already answered or reply several times.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Massey" <massey52@q.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease


I don't think my reply was received so I'm sending it again. The check for
updates in the preferences menu is indeed checked. Sometimes the feature
works and sometimes it doesn't.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease



Hi,

Is the add-on told not to check for updates? To check that, go to NVDA
Menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials and see if the update checkbox is
checked.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease



In the e-mail, it is indicated that you don't have to click on the links
above to update the add-ons. The only add-on I use is Windows 10 App
Essentials. But when I highlight the Nvda shortcut to launch Nvda, the
program opens but the add-on is not displayed so I can answer yes that I
wish to download the add-on. Why won't the automatic detection feature
work? Thank you.



Michael Massey




Re: Pandora & Windows 10

David Moore
 

Hi!

I listen to Pandora a lot, right from the following web site:

www.pandora.com

It is very easy to navigate with headings and such, and you can create radio stations and all right on the web site.

I use it for free and really love just getting on that Pandora web site.

NVDA will work great with that site with Google Chrome and MS Edge very well, and Okay with Firefox and IE, but not as good.

Take care, and if I can be of help with NVDA for you, please let me know!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Carla Laesch Etheredge
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 8:31 PM
To: NVDA Group
Subject: [nvda] Pandora & Windows 10

 

Hi everyone,

 

I'm a new user of NVDA. I have previously been a Jaws user, so it's been

an interesting transition to NVDA, but so far I like it. I'm wondering,

on my previous computer running Windows 7, I used to use the program

called Hope to listen to Pandora. I'm wondering if this program is still

around, and if so is it accessible using NVDA and Windows 10? I recently

got a new computer, so I don't have the program to install it and try.

If it's not, does anyone know of any other programs or ways to listen to

Pandora while on the computer? Thanks in advance.

 

 

--

Carla Kay Etheredge

cklaesch.etheredge@...

 

 

 

 


Re: new laptop

David Moore
 

Hi,

The HP Stream that I have is what you want.

It is 6 inches wide, 7 inches deep, and an inch thick. Now, here is the miracle. It has two Gig of ram, and a 32 Gig SSD drive.

However, it has a slot for a micro SD card, and I have one in there that is 128 Gigs.

This thing flies so fast, a program launches in a second.

Here is all I have installed.

Windows 10, JAWS, NVDA, over 20 NVDA add ons, Malware Bytes, Dropbox app, pCloud Drive app, Back up and sync app, I use One Drive, Games are installed, just card games from Jim Kitchen, I have all Windows 10 apps, Skype, and more. Even with the two Gig of ram, and the 32 Gig SSD drive, I have four or more programs running at one time, and this baby still runs like a top. There is no numpad to mess with, The key board is very squeezed together which allows me to type 80 words a minute, because I do not have to reach for the numpad. This baby only weighs less than a pound. I said two pounds on another post, but it is just a little under a pound. I carry it everywhere under my arm. It is like a small note taker. I use this awesome baby for every job that I use my much more powerful and huge Asus laptop to do.

It is called an HP Stream netbook, and it is supposed to be made as efficient

As it can be.

I would really recommend it for much work, play, and even playing some slow games.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new laptop

 

Well all my units have been 15.6-17 inch, I wouldn't be going bigger

than 15.6, sure if a 13 supported duel drives sure but well hmmm.

 

That is a concern if the apps on the lenovo are not as accessible as one

would like though realistically all I would need would be the units

serial number or whatever service number I need to update the thing.

 

I know dell does allow autodetection of the units as does hp.

 

Something betwene a gaming which is huge and heavy to a smaller unit,

anything from 1.8 through 2.6 which is about what I have now in weight

is fine.

 

I plan to do all my work, gaming, and entertainment on the unit I choose

so it needs a bit of everything.

 

What are the sound effects and enhancements like on the lenovo.

 

The keyboard does give me some pause I can deal with a few things but if

I have to swap the board about with keys if I ever need to use the unit

without my external board, well it depends what is where.

 

 

 

 

On 4/27/2018 9:41 AM, valiant8086 wrote:

> Hi.

> At least on my Yoga2pro, the bloat is mostly in the form of small uwp

> apps, nonobtrusive. Some of them are useful, and not all that screen

> reader friendly, like Lenovo Software Update, which maintains the

> drivers and such. Lenovo uses the function key row for action keys by

> default you have to change it. FN escape will toggle it, but that may

> be temporary. A permanent fix that sticks across reboots may arive if

> you update the bios and hit fn+escape again, or if that still doesn't

> work, just using sighted assistance and turning the media keys into

> function keys directly in the bios will work. Sometimes keys aren't

> where they ought to be. Lenovo Yoga920 for instance, Yoga720, don't

> have context keys at least not in the proper place between right alt

> and right control. Keys will need remapping to get them to do things

> one is used to like for instance if the insert key is in the wrong

> place, may be able to remap it with what ever is to the left of

> delete, possibly print screen. I've got 30000 hours of runtime on my

> Yoga2pro with some button swaps applied and all is well. The keyboard

> is physically at end of life, but my print screen or what ever it is

> has happily been function as an insert key for all these years with no

> trouble.

> You might need USB type A ports, so ensure that you're going to be

> getting those and won't be left with only USB c and thunderbolt ports,

> that's common now.

> Do you want a little ultrabook or would a slightly fatter laptop with

> just a 13 inch screen work or what.

> As far as I can tell currently in terms of hardware performance Yoga's

> winner in the ultrabook field is Thinkpad t480s, and there's a small

> chance I'll be buying one soon. If you have a model you're interested

> in and want to geek out with benchmarks, hardware reviews and such try

> googling something like this

> notebookcheck.net dell xps13 2 in 1

> notebookcheck.net Lenovo T480s

> and of course, availability is a factor. I would guess that Lenovo and

> Asus both would be available in some form or another.

> Cheers:

> Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy

> Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community -

> http://valiantGalaxy.com"

> <Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

> On 4/25/2018 4:25 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

>> AAh ok, is any of that extra lenovo stuff any good though.

>> 

>> For example, on my old toshiba I kept all of the extras mostly till

>> it exited support then cannd it all because it was not of use.

>> 

>> On the hp I had bar office mcafee and some games I kept most of it as

>> I used the support hub a lot and it had some use.

>> 

>> After all the issues with the cyberlink stuff and my dvd drive on

>> another system weather I keep that on on my new box would be a

>> different matter I'd probably keep it but not use it.

>> 

>> As for lenovo, I think I would look at it first and see if it was any

>> used to me before I killed it all and at least looked what use it had.

>> 

>> Some of it I'd probably get rid of though.

>> 

>> Not everything is bloat if you have a use for it.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 4/26/2018 12:52 AM, kelby carlson wrote:

>>> I've had pretty decent luck with my Lenovo, though there will be

>>> some bloatware that comes with the PC you'll want to get rid of.

>>> (Basically anything in the programs list that starts with Lenovo can

>>> be uninstalled safely.) I've had mine for a year and it generally

>>> runs quite fast.

>>>> On Apr 25, 2018, at 4:25 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...>

>>>> wrote:

>>>> 

>>>> aah ok.

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>>> On 4/25/2018 8:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

>>>>> You probably need to talk to Jonathan Mosen then, he lives in NZ

>>>>> and has just been through a laptop purchase for his blind wife.

>>>>> Brian

>>>>> 

>>>>> bglists@...

>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.

>>>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>>>>> in the display name field.

>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss"

>>>>> <sm.everiss@...>

>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 7:53 AM

>>>>> Subject: [nvda] new laptop

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>>> Hi.

>>>>>> As my toshiba is getting quite old I will be getting another laptop.

>>>>>> What should I avoid, what should I go for.

>>>>>> I have used asus boards and find them stable enough.

>>>>>> I have used an hp my aunt has and while there are enhancements to

>>>>>> manage its stable enough.

>>>>>> People say stay away from dell because of its sound effects

>>>>>> thingy and other things, and well lenovo aparently is quite good

>>>>>> though never investigated that one.

>>>>>> Note, anything suggested must be able to be gotten in new zealand

>>>>>> or at least have me have a shot at getting.

>>>>>> It will have win10 to.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 


Re: Ask about using word 2010 with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi there,

Yes, there are commands for all of those things.  I would suggest the "Microsoft Word with NVDA" training material as a good resource to learn not only those functions but many more: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 1:34 PM, <prem.translator@...> wrote:
Dear all listers. 
I'm teaching writing skill, and students send me word document in .docx, I open it with MS Word 2010. I don't know much about using some function. So, I've questions. 
1. Are there any shortcut to do following things? 
- switching between comment or footnote frame and the main document. 
- Turning on and off track changes / editor revision. 
2. How to comment and giving footnote to spesific part of document for example a sentence or a phrase? 
 
Thank you. 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: new laptop

 

Well all my units have been 15.6-17 inch, I wouldn't be going bigger than 15.6, sure if a 13 supported duel drives sure but well hmmm.

That is a concern if the apps on the lenovo are not as accessible as one would like though realistically all I would need would be the units serial number or whatever service number I need to update the thing.

I know dell does allow autodetection of the units as does hp.

Something betwene a gaming which is huge and heavy to a smaller unit, anything from 1.8 through 2.6 which is about what I have now in weight is fine.

I plan to do all my work, gaming, and entertainment on the unit I choose so it needs a bit of everything.

What are the sound effects and enhancements like on the lenovo.

The keyboard does give me some pause I can deal with a few things but if I have to swap the board about with keys if I ever need to use the unit without my external board, well it depends what is where.

On 4/27/2018 9:41 AM, valiant8086 wrote:
Hi.


At least on my Yoga2pro, the bloat is mostly in the form of small uwp apps, nonobtrusive. Some of them are useful, and not all that screen reader friendly, like Lenovo Software Update, which maintains the drivers and such. Lenovo uses the function key row for action keys by default you have to change it. FN escape will toggle it, but that may be temporary. A permanent fix that sticks across reboots may arive if you update the bios and hit fn+escape again, or if that still doesn't work, just using sighted assistance and turning the media keys into function keys directly in the bios will work. Sometimes keys aren't where they ought to be. Lenovo Yoga920 for instance, Yoga720, don't have context keys at least not in the proper place between right alt and right control. Keys will need remapping to get them to do things one is used to like for instance if the insert key is in the wrong place, may be able to remap it with what ever is to the left of delete, possibly print screen. I've got 30000 hours of runtime on my Yoga2pro with some button swaps applied and all is well. The keyboard is physically at end of life, but my print screen or what ever it is has happily been function as an insert key for all these years with no trouble.


You might need USB type A ports, so ensure that you're going to be getting those and won't be left with only USB c and thunderbolt ports, that's common now.


Do you want a little ultrabook or would a slightly fatter laptop with just a 13 inch screen work or what.


As far as I can tell currently in terms of hardware performance Yoga's winner in the ultrabook field is Thinkpad t480s, and there's a small chance I'll be buying one soon. If you have a model you're interested in and want to geek out with benchmarks, hardware reviews and such try googling something like this

notebookcheck.net dell xps13 2 in 1

notebookcheck.net Lenovo T480s

and of course, availability is a factor. I would guess that Lenovo and Asus both would be available in some form or another.


Cheers:

Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 4/25/2018 4:25 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
AAh ok, is any of that extra lenovo stuff any good though.

For example, on my old toshiba I kept all of the extras mostly till it exited support then cannd it all because it was not of use.

On the hp I had bar office mcafee and some games I kept most of it as I used the support hub a lot and it had some use.

After all the issues with the cyberlink stuff and my dvd drive on another system weather I keep that on on my new box would be a different matter I'd probably keep it but not use it.

As for lenovo, I think I would look at it first and see if it was any used to me before I killed it all and at least looked what use it had.

Some of it I'd probably get rid of though.

Not everything is bloat if you have a use for it.




On 4/26/2018 12:52 AM, kelby carlson wrote:
I've had pretty decent luck with my Lenovo, though there will be some bloatware that comes with the PC you'll want to get rid of. (Basically anything in the programs list that starts with Lenovo can be uninstalled safely.) I've had mine for a year and it generally runs quite fast.
On Apr 25, 2018, at 4:25 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

aah ok.




On 4/25/2018 8:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
You probably need to talk to Jonathan Mosen then, he lives in NZ and has just been through a laptop purchase for his blind wife.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 7:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] new laptop


Hi.
As my toshiba is getting quite old I will be getting another laptop.
What should I avoid, what should I go for.
I have used asus boards and find them stable enough.
I have used an hp my aunt has and while there are enhancements to manage its stable enough.
People say stay away from dell because of its sound effects thingy and other things, and well lenovo aparently is quite good though never investigated that one.
Note, anything suggested must be able to be gotten in new zealand or at least have me have a shot at getting.
It will have win10 to.











Ask about using word 2010 with NVDA

prem.translator@...
 

Dear all listers. 
I'm teaching writing skill, and students send me word document in .docx, I open it with MS Word 2010. I don't know much about using some function. So, I've questions. 
1. Are there any shortcut to do following things? 
- switching between comment or footnote frame and the main document. 
- Turning on and off track changes / editor revision. 
2. How to comment and giving footnote to spesific part of document for example a sentence or a phrase? 
 
Thank you. 


Pandora & Windows 10

Carla Laesch Etheredge
 

Hi everyone,

I'm a new user of NVDA. I have previously been a Jaws user, so it's been an interesting transition to NVDA, but so far I like it. I'm wondering, on my previous computer running Windows 7, I used to use the program called Hope to listen to Pandora. I'm wondering if this program is still around, and if so is it accessible using NVDA and Windows 10? I recently got a new computer, so I don't have the program to install it and try. If it's not, does anyone know of any other programs or ways to listen to Pandora while on the computer? Thanks in advance.


--
Carla Kay Etheredge
cklaesch.etheredge@gmail.com


Re: the best place to look for shortcuts involving quick navigation keys in Word

 

I found what I needed, right in the user guide.




On 4/26/2018 7:16 PM, Governor staten wrote:
The subject says it. Where is the best place to look for quick navigation keys for Word, and how to invoke them? I have no problem looking, but, not sure where to look. Thanks in advance.





the best place to look for shortcuts involving quick navigation keys in Word

 

The subject says it. Where is the best place to look for quick navigation keys for Word, and how to invoke them? I have no problem looking, but, not sure where to look. Thanks in advance.


Re: new laptop

valiant8086
 

Hi.


At least on my Yoga2pro, the bloat is mostly in the form of small uwp apps, nonobtrusive. Some of them are useful, and not all that screen reader friendly, like Lenovo Software Update, which maintains the drivers and such. Lenovo uses the function key row for action keys by default you have to change it. FN escape will toggle it, but that may be temporary. A permanent fix that sticks across reboots may arive if you update the bios and hit fn+escape again, or if that still doesn't work, just using sighted assistance and turning the media keys into function keys directly in the bios will work. Sometimes keys aren't where they ought to be. Lenovo Yoga920 for instance, Yoga720, don't have context keys at least not in the proper place between right alt and right control. Keys will need remapping to get them to do things one is used to like for instance if the insert key is in the wrong place, may be able to remap it with what ever is to the left of delete, possibly print screen. I've got 30000 hours of runtime on my Yoga2pro with some button swaps applied and all is well. The keyboard is physically at end of life, but my print screen or what ever it is has happily been function as an insert key for all these years with no trouble.


You might need USB type A ports, so ensure that you're going to be getting those and won't be left with only USB c and thunderbolt ports, that's common now.


Do you want a little ultrabook or would a slightly fatter laptop with just a 13 inch screen work or what.


As far as I can tell currently in terms of hardware performance Yoga's winner in the ultrabook field is Thinkpad t480s, and there's a small chance I'll be buying one soon. If you have a model you're interested in and want to geek out with benchmarks, hardware reviews and such try googling something like this

notebookcheck.net dell xps13 2 in 1

notebookcheck.net Lenovo T480s

and of course, availability is a factor. I would guess that Lenovo and Asus both would be available in some form or another.


Cheers:

Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 4/25/2018 4:25 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
AAh ok, is any of that extra lenovo stuff any good though.

For example, on my old toshiba I kept all of the extras mostly till it exited support then cannd it all because it was not of use.

On the hp I had bar office mcafee and some games I kept most of it as I used the support hub a lot and it had some use.

After all the issues with the cyberlink stuff and my dvd drive on another system weather I keep that on on my new box would be a different matter I'd probably keep it but not use it.

As for lenovo, I think I would look at it first and see if it was any used to me before I killed it all and at least looked what use it had.

Some of it I'd probably get rid of though.

Not everything is bloat if you have a use for it.




On 4/26/2018 12:52 AM, kelby carlson wrote:
I've had pretty decent luck with my Lenovo, though there will be some bloatware that comes with the PC you'll want to get rid of. (Basically anything in the programs list that starts with Lenovo can be uninstalled safely.) I've had mine for a year and it generally runs quite fast.
On Apr 25, 2018, at 4:25 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

aah ok.




On 4/25/2018 8:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
You probably need to talk to Jonathan Mosen then, he lives in NZ and has just been through a laptop purchase for his blind wife.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 7:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] new laptop


Hi.
As my toshiba is getting quite old I will be getting another laptop.
What should I avoid, what should I go for.
I have used asus boards and find them stable enough.
I have used an hp my aunt has and while there are enhancements to manage its stable enough.
People say stay away from dell because of its sound effects thingy and other things, and well lenovo aparently is quite good though never investigated that one.
Note, anything suggested must be able to be gotten in new zealand or at least have me have a shot at getting.
It will have win10 to.








skype 7 with n v d a

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

hi all
i am using skype classic
skype 7
with NVDA
also using an addon with it
but NVDAis not reading the messages with alt 1
could u all help?

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

My update interval in days is seven.  The channel is set to stable.  Truth be told, I really never concerned myself with the interval or channel. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@...> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

And what is your update interval in days and which channel are you subscribed to?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

The item to check for updates is indeed checked  Sometimes the feature works and sometimes it doesn’t. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Is the add-on told not to check for updates? To check that, go to NVDA Menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials and see if the update checkbox is checked.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

In the e-mail, it is indicated that you don’t have to click on the links above to update the add-ons.  The only add-on I use is Windows 10 App Essentials.  But when I highlight the Nvda shortcut to launch Nvda, the program opens but the add-on is not displayed so I can answer yes that I wish to download the add-on.  Why won’t the automatic detection feature work?  Thank you. 

 

Michael Massey


Re: Check Disk

Gene
 

I've never seen any other complaint of this kind, that I recall,  about sleep.  Unless I get evidence that this is any more than arare aberation, I shall consider it such and I shall maintain that people should not be dissuaded from trying sleep when they are ggoing to move their computers in situations such as I shall discuss below. 
 
This is if the computers have mechanical hard drives.  In the case of Windows 10, if fast boot is being used, I don't know if there is any difference that matters between sleep and shutting down and rebooting. 
 
If I'm a student, for example, and I'm moving from one class to another, sleep makes much more sense to use than doing a full shut down and then rebooting.  It may not matter to any extent if you have a digital hard drive because they are so much faster and a full boot up is so much faster.  But with a mechanical drive, shutting down makes no sense. 
 
As far as factors effecting how long hard drives last, here is a summary of some factors, according to the Google study, which was done a number of years ago.  It was the largest study done to that time.  It may still be the largest. 
 
https://www.comparitech.com/blog/cloud-online-backup/how-long-do-hard-drives-last/
Conventional wisdom would have you believe hard drives that get hot will generally fail faster than those that don’t. Some studies conclude as much, but the largest study on the subject matter to date performed by Google suggests otherwise. You might also assume that hard drives which are used more fail quicker than those used less. Not so, says Google:
“Contrary to previously reported results, we found very little correlation between failure rates and either elevated temperature or activity levels.”
Google measured activity (also referred to as “utilization”) levels by analyzing the total time spent reading or writing data on the drive over a period of time. Drives that were utilized more failed significantly more in the first three months, but then failure rates dropped off in the subsequent months and years. The failure rates remain even and even less than the less-used drives until year five, when drives with higher utilization levels start failing more often again. Google attributes this to what it calls the “survival of the fittest theory,” in which the causes of failure that are associated with higher utilization are more prominent early and late in a drive’s lifetime. In short, utilization might not be causing hard drive failure, it just makes the actual causes of failure surface more quickly.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk

I tend to shut mine down completely as this lets it cool down as well.

I've seen sleep mode get interrupted before now for reasons best known to
itself. With a ssd you might as well shut it as there is little speed of
booting overhead one way or the other.
 Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk


The question is how to run Check Disk from the command prompt.  The drive is
working.

When you run check disk from the command prompt, if you simply want a
report, then just type chkdsk.  The default is read, no errors are
corrected.  Just type chkdsk and press enter and the procedure will start.

At the end, to review the summary, move aroung the screen using review
commands like numpad 7 8 9.  You should be able to move when you are in
object review, I don't think you can when you are in screen review.

and keep in mind that you are just checking the file system the way you are
running check disk.  You aren't checking disk segments, if that is the
correct word, for physical integrity.  To do that, you need to do a thorough
Check Disk and I don't know if you can do that as a read only option.

If you are using a desktop, and it doesn't get moved when it is running, you
would seldom have to check for physical integrity.  If it's a laptop, and
you move it when it's running or it gets some sort of jolts while it is
running, then you should check for physical integrity more often.  I'm not
talking about digital drives, I'm talking about mechanical drives.

I always put my laptop into sleep mode before moving it.
Gene
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Unless its changed the whole thing defaults to read only  just like the disc
check in the tools section of the properties does, as you are still in
effect in windows.
 I have to say that you really do need it to run at start up to get it to
repair stuff whatever you do unless you are checking a drive with no links
to windows on it, say the D: drive at which time it normally unmounts and
remounts afterwards as far as I can see.

Or did I misunderstand the issue? If you suspect problems with any drive.
your first port of call needs to be check all cables and plugs to and from
psu and drive to motherboard before you run any repair on the drive  as it
will only make things worse otherwise.
 Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk


Okay, can you give me a bit more on what I can expect when I do it with
NVDA? I go to cmd, do chkdsk /r, and then what will happen?
> On Apr 25, 2018, at 8:59 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> chkdsk will read the disk in read only mode.
>
> I usually run this to see if there are any errors.
>
> Note on all drives even ssds the main tables are always out of sync.
>
> Don't worry about mft mismatch or mft bitmap space errors per say unless
> they are followed or preceeded with usn journal, lost files, and missing
> chain errors.
>
> For whatever reason at least on the os drives windows seems to run things
> slightly out of sync.
>
> Ofcause this only shows on command line point.
>
> Since a chkdsk /x /f and or /r requires the system to be in access only
> mode there is usually no speech during that time.
>
> Any results can be reviewed in eventlog or chkdsk.log  if you use the /log
> switch then c:\chkdsk.log and then its ok I think.
>
>
>
>
>> On 4/26/2018 12:51 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
>> Does anybody know if there is a safe way to run Chkdsk from the command
>> prompt with NVDA? I'd like to do it but don't want to get stuck not being
>> able to read the data if NVDA doesn't come back on during the recovery
>> phase.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>









Re: SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #addonrelease

Michael Massey <massey52@...>
 

I had to manually check for the update and it downloaded and installed.  Now to check my Hp laptop running Windows 10 home.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 12:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

In this case, you should check for updates manually (from the dialog in question, select check for update button).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

My update interval in days is seven.  The channel is set to stable.  Truth be told, I really never concerned myself with the interval or channel. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

And what is your update interval in days and which channel are you subscribed to?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

The item to check for updates is indeed checked.  Sometimes the feature works and sometimes it doesn’t. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Is the add-on told not to check for updates? To check that, go to NVDA Menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials and see if the update checkbox is checked.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

In the e-mail, it is indicated that you don’t have to click on the links above to update the add-ons.  The only add-on I use is Windows 10 App Essentials.  But when I highlight the Nvda shortcut to launch Nvda, the program opens but the add-on is not displayed so I can answer yes that I wish to download the add-on.  Why won’t the automatic detection feature work?  Thank you. 

 

Michael Massey


Re: SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #addonrelease

 

Hi,

In this case, you should check for updates manually (from the dialog in question, select check for update button).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

My update interval in days is seven.  The channel is set to stable.  Truth be told, I really never concerned myself with the interval or channel. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

And what is your update interval in days and which channel are you subscribed to?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

The item to check for updates is indeed checked.  Sometimes the feature works and sometimes it doesn’t. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Is the add-on told not to check for updates? To check that, go to NVDA Menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials and see if the update checkbox is checked.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

In the e-mail, it is indicated that you don’t have to click on the links above to update the add-ons.  The only add-on I use is Windows 10 App Essentials.  But when I highlight the Nvda shortcut to launch Nvda, the program opens but the add-on is not displayed so I can answer yes that I wish to download the add-on.  Why won’t the automatic detection feature work?  Thank you. 

 

Michael Massey


Re: SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #addonrelease

Michael Massey <massey52@...>
 

My update interval in days is seven.  The channel is set to stable.  Truth be told, I really never concerned myself with the interval or channel. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

And what is your update interval in days and which channel are you subscribed to?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

The item to check for updates is indeed checked.  Sometimes the feature works and sometimes it doesn’t. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Is the add-on told not to check for updates? To check that, go to NVDA Menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials and see if the update checkbox is checked.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

In the e-mail, it is indicated that you don’t have to click on the links above to update the add-ons.  The only add-on I use is Windows 10 App Essentials.  But when I highlight the Nvda shortcut to launch Nvda, the program opens but the add-on is not displayed so I can answer yes that I wish to download the add-on.  Why won’t the automatic detection feature work?  Thank you. 

 

Michael Massey


Re: [nvda-addons] [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #addonrelease

 

Hi,

Control+Windows+D: creates new desktops (virtual workspaces).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; nvda-addons@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda-addons] [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi Josef,

I like the announcement of the virtual desktop number. Works great for me when switching and deleting a virtual desktop.

For those not knowing how to work with virtual desktops in Win10:

Control-windows-rightt-arrow – creates a new virtual desktop or switches to an existing one

Control-windows-left-arrow / right arrow – switches between virtual desktops

Control-windows-F4 – closes the current virtual desktop

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Donnerstag, 26. April 2018 18:02
To: nvda-addons@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

 

Version 18.05 of the following add-ons are now available:

 

 

This release introduces Playlist Transcripts, a feature to let you take a snapshot of the loaded playlist and view it in numerous formats. Eventually this feature will let you copy information to the clipboard and/or files. Version 18.05 also introduces partial playlist snapshots so you can take snapshots of part of a playlist.

 

 

The biggest change is ability to announce virtual desktop ID (the current virtual desktop you are on or switching to) when you open, close, or switch between virtual desktops. If this feature is working well for everyone, I’ll send an official pull request to NV Access so it can be integrated as early as NVDA 2018.3.

 

In case you didn’t know: these two add-ons are part of a group of add-ons that offer automatic add-on update feature. This means you don’t have to click on the links above and download the add-on – you just check for add-on updates from NVDA itself (via facilities provided by add-ons).

 

Enjoy the new add-on releases.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #addonrelease

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Hi Josef,

I like the announcement of the virtual desktop number. Works great for me when switching and deleting a virtual desktop.

For those not knowing how to work with virtual desktops in Win10:

Control-windows-rightt-arrow – creates a new virtual desktop or switches to an existing one

Control-windows-left-arrow / right arrow – switches between virtual desktops

Control-windows-F4 – closes the current virtual desktop

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Donnerstag, 26. April 2018 18:02
To: nvda-addons@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

 

Version 18.05 of the following add-ons are now available:

 

 

This release introduces Playlist Transcripts, a feature to let you take a snapshot of the loaded playlist and view it in numerous formats. Eventually this feature will let you copy information to the clipboard and/or files. Version 18.05 also introduces partial playlist snapshots so you can take snapshots of part of a playlist.

 

 

The biggest change is ability to announce virtual desktop ID (the current virtual desktop you are on or switching to) when you open, close, or switch between virtual desktops. If this feature is working well for everyone, I’ll send an official pull request to NV Access so it can be integrated as early as NVDA 2018.3.

 

In case you didn’t know: these two add-ons are part of a group of add-ons that offer automatic add-on update feature. This means you don’t have to click on the links above and download the add-on – you just check for add-on updates from NVDA itself (via facilities provided by add-ons).

 

Enjoy the new add-on releases.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #addonrelease

 

Hi,

No, it came through.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 10:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

I don’t think my reply was received so I’m sending it again.  The check for updates in the preferences menu is indeed checked.  Sometimes the feature works and sometimes it doesn’t. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Is the add-on told not to check for updates? To check that, go to NVDA Menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials and see if the update checkbox is checked.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

In the e-mail, it is indicated that you don’t have to click on the links above to update the add-ons.  The only add-on I use is Windows 10 App Essentials.  But when I highlight the Nvda shortcut to launch Nvda, the program opens but the add-on is not displayed so I can answer yes that I wish to download the add-on.  Why won’t the automatic detection feature work?  Thank you. 

 

Michael Massey


Re: SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #addonrelease

Michael Massey <massey52@...>
 

I don’t think my reply was received so I’m sending it again.  The check for updates in the preferences menu is indeed checked.  Sometimes the feature works and sometimes it doesn’t. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Is the add-on told not to check for updates? To check that, go to NVDA Menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials and see if the update checkbox is checked.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

In the e-mail, it is indicated that you don’t have to click on the links above to update the add-ons.  The only add-on I use is Windows 10 App Essentials.  But when I highlight the Nvda shortcut to launch Nvda, the program opens but the add-on is not displayed so I can answer yes that I wish to download the add-on.  Why won’t the automatic detection feature work?  Thank you. 

 

Michael Massey


Re: SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #addonrelease

 

Hi,

And what is your update interval in days and which channel are you subscribed to?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

The item to check for updates is indeed checked.  Sometimes the feature works and sometimes it doesn’t. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Is the add-on told not to check for updates? To check that, go to NVDA Menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials and see if the update checkbox is checked.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL Studio and WintenApps 18.05 released #AddonRelease

 

In the e-mail, it is indicated that you don’t have to click on the links above to update the add-ons.  The only add-on I use is Windows 10 App Essentials.  But when I highlight the Nvda shortcut to launch Nvda, the program opens but the add-on is not displayed so I can answer yes that I wish to download the add-on.  Why won’t the automatic detection feature work?  Thank you. 

 

Michael Massey