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Re: opening combo boxes

Gene
 

It's a Windows command for combo boxes and it isn't limited to chrome.  Before moving in the combo box, use alt down arrow first.  Then when you get to the item you want, press enter to select it.  In other words, first, press entter as you are doing, then alt down arrow, then move in the combo box as you usually do, then press enter on the item you want.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 5:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] opening combo boxes

Running latest NVDA on Win 10 fall creator and mostly using Google
Chrome as my browser.
Probably not a NVDA problem but a technique problem.
I am coming across some combo boxes on various web sites that if you
press enter on a conbo box and hit the down arrow to open it it is
moving to the first option in the combo box and using that as your
choice and going to that option.  In other words I can not go through
all the options in the combo box to select the one I really want.  Is
there a trick to opening this type of combo box?
Thanks




Re: How to update a portable version of nvda?

Angela Delicata
 

Hi Gene,

I use snap shot updated two days ago, so I could try what you suggested, this after hving listened to the podcast carefully and the operation was successful!
I thank you so much for having helepd me and think this list is realyl a great support , especialyl for those who know less like myself.
Take care.
Angela from Italy
P.S Sorry if I am not so clear, but my English is limited smile.

Il 29/04/2018 10:19, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
hi Angela


which version of NVDA are you using at present? do you have both a
installer version as your main screen reader and also a back up which is
a portable version wheather it is on your hard drive or on a usb stick?



Before nvda 2018.2 you have to do it the old way unless you are using a
master snapshot.


What i mean by this if your portable version is say in a directory
called nvda portable on the C: drive with a shortcut to the desk top to
start it when it was started and then you went to the help then check
for check for update. It would then go up to the server then you would
download it to your computer. You would then locate the file click on it
then when it started up go to the portable part of it then aim it to
wards the area where your portable version was to update it and it would
install over the top.


if you are using a master snap shot  or next but i use master snap shots
it can now when you check for a update  it will download it to your
directory what ever it may be named and then either post pone the update
or install it straight away to those directorys what ever they are called.


I do have a audio tutorial and a written one going up shortly to tthe
web site so you know what i mean. I can post the audio one so you can
hear it but will be posted alogn with written stuff tomorrow night
hopefully.


the audio one can be found at
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nd0jgrwlsaghnt8/updating%20your%20portable%20copy%20of%20nvda%20or%20postponing%20your%20update.MP3?dl=0

I have not done it on the installer version as i am only using the
stable version but guess it will work on a installer version that is a
master snap shot as well along with the portables.


Gene nz



On 4/29/2018 8:04 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

Sorry for the stupid question, but I am using nvda as my only screen
reader since last november.

So, if Ii want to update a portable version of nvda, can I do it
avoiding to install the software again  on my PC? This is because I
already have it there.

Hope my question does make sense to you.

Thanks in advance.

Angela from Italy




Re: How to update a portable version of nvda?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi Angela


which version of NVDA are you using at present? do you have both a
installer version as your main screen reader and also a back up which is
a portable version wheather it is on your hard drive or on a usb stick?



Before nvda 2018.2 you have to do it the old way unless you are using a
master snapshot.


What i mean by this if your portable version is say in a directory
called nvda portable on the C: drive with a shortcut to the desk top to
start it when it was started and then you went to the help then check
for check for update. It would then go up to the server then you would
download it to your computer. You would then locate the file click on it
then when it started up go to the portable part of it then aim it to
wards the area where your portable version was to update it and it would
install over the top.


if you are using a master snap shot  or next but i use master snap shots
it can now when you check for a update  it will download it to your
directory what ever it may be named and then either post pone the update
or install it straight away to those directorys what ever they are called.


I do have a audio tutorial and a written one going up shortly to tthe
web site so you know what i mean. I can post the audio one so you can
hear it but will be posted alogn with written stuff tomorrow night
hopefully.


the audio one can be found at
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nd0jgrwlsaghnt8/updating%20your%20portable%20copy%20of%20nvda%20or%20postponing%20your%20update.MP3?dl=0

I have not done it on the installer version as i am only using the
stable version but guess it will work on a installer version that is a
master snap shot as well along with the portables.


Gene nz

On 4/29/2018 8:04 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

Sorry for the stupid question, but I am using nvda as my only screen
reader since last november.

So, if Ii want to update a portable version of nvda, can I do it
avoiding to install the software again  on my PC? This is because I
already have it there.

Hope my question does make sense to you.

Thanks in advance.

Angela from Italy




Re: will be using a new email address

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hmm, I'd be rather intrigued to know why this happens. Not seen it here I have to say.
I'd be tempted to subscribe the new one and test it for a while then unsub the old one if it works in all the lists you have reliably. More and more I think email is suffering due to attempts to trap spam and phishing emails, and a lot of the problems we see are companies trying to achieve this end. They dare not publicise what they are doing as this will give the spammers a heads up to how to get around it.
As you may be aware, recently some spammers have been forging legitimate Google headers to get past anti spam measures. In some cases the spam has come in to a users sent folder, as if they themselves have sent it.
Brian

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 1:37 AM
Subject: [nvda] will be using a new email address


Hi, everyone,



I've been having some problems with my gmail account. On some email lists,
I'll try to write a message. Later I get a message back saying that my
message is undeliverable. I created an outlook account today with the help
of the Microsoft disability line. Do I unsub this address first before going
to the new one?



Thanks in advance.



Rosemarie






Re: Command line window output not being spoken

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No don't apologise I have a friend who uses Supernova and is always accidentally changing the screenreader language due to close by hotkeys.
All screenreaders use shortcut toggles for things and its easy to get stuff screwed up.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Command line window output not being spoken


Ah, silly me, apparently that is indeed what happened. Now command
prompt works fine. Thanks for the hint and sorry about this question, I
am still an NVDA newbie.


On 4/28/2018 4:10 PM, Sam Taylor wrote:

Hi Tony,

I don't suppose you've accidentally turned off report dynamic content
changes with NVDA+5?

Sam


On 29/04/2018 09:09, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hi all,


I work in command line window (also known as terminal, prompt, etc) a
lot and today my NVDA stopped speaking the output of my commands.
Review cursor still works - I can press numpad 7, numpad 9 to read
all the lines displayed. But when my program prints something, NVDA
doesn't speak this automatically any longer. This just happened today
- I suspect my Windows installed an update which broke some
compatibility feature.


Is anyone else experiencing this issue? Are there any known
workarounds for this?


Thanks

Tony





Re: what can i do please help

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No that is what is supposed to happen, numlock off is for nav and numlock on for numbers

I have to say I now always leave it off and use numbers on the top keyboard row.
I find this less annoying.
Brian
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From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help


hello, i wrote already, i have connected a numberic keypad on the usb.
when i press numlock off, the digits are perfectly written.
when i press numlock on, the only thing i can do is left and right mouse click, and that's it.
the numberic keys i cann't use for navigation around the screen.
perhaps i have bought the wrong one.
if that is the case, tell me what keypad i need if you know.
because it is a very nice and quick laptop i want to do anything to get it work with nvda.
thanks in advance
paul otter


Op 28-4-2018 om 10:28 schreef Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io:
Use the laptop layout or buy a numeric keypad?
Have we not had this issue before. its precisely why if I get a new laptop not only do I want the function keys to be defaulted to function keys, but I want a keypad as well.
I have an old dell without one and got so peed off I eventually plugged in a keyboard.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 8:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help


hello all,
i've a problem with my laptop.
it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to navigate around the screen with nvda.
but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen with nvda.
there is also no numlock key.

i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
the digits are working correct with numlock off.
but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left mouse click and a right mouse click.
but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.

so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
is there a way to solve this problem?
i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
thanks in advance!
paul otter







Re: what can i do please help

 

Yeah the hp my aunt has is like that.

Its a real pain in the but.

I need a propper keyboard.

While at home at least I have a gaming keyboard.

On the road thats another matter.

Of course if I get something that needs a bluetooth board I will use that but still.

On 4/29/2018 8:01 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Exactly, and trying to do this on a keyboard with no numeric pad can be a challenge. also on a lot of Dels some other keys are two keypresses. Things like the  right windows key is often missing I found.
If you use several machines and one is a laptop with no keypad my brain usually gets confused!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Mullins" <cjmullins29@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help


Hi
I think you need to switch keyboard layout to Desktop if you have a numpad connected.  You say the digits work with numlock off but surely numlock needs to be on for the digits to work and numlock needs to be off for keys to operate NVDA.  Also check that the "use insert key as an NVDA modifier" is checked.

Cheers
Chris

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: 28 April 2018 08:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help

hello all,
i've a problem with my laptop.
it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
navigate around the screen with nvda.
but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change sound,
screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
with nvda.
there is also no numlock key.

i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
the digits are working correct with numlock off.
but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
mouse click and a right mouse click.
but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.

so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
is there a way to solve this problem?
i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
thanks in advance!
paul otter










How to update a portable version of nvda?

Angela Delicata
 

Hi,

Sorry for the stupid question, but I am using nvda as my only screen reader since last november.

So, if Ii want to update a portable version of nvda, can I do it avoiding to install the software again  on my PC? This is because I already have it there.

Hope my question does make sense to you.

Thanks in advance.

Angela from Italy


Re: what can i do please help

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I cannot say I've ever found any numpads people have plugged in that don't actually work though. Normally they do in my experience, but to be honest I'm using a cheap normal keyboard with that machine.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help


Also, I don't know anything about the brand of numpad being used. I'd try others if possible. This sounds to me as though it’s a problem with the numpad not being compatible. Are there any electronic stores near you where you can test different ones?

Also, you may get an answer about the fn key but it may be necessary to look at the manual. You may be able to find it online if it isn't available on your computer. I don't know if Dell support might provide the information.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 8:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help


Hi
I think you need to switch keyboard layout to Desktop if you have a numpad connected. You say the digits work with numlock off but surely numlock needs to be on for the digits to work and numlock needs to be off for keys to operate NVDA. Also check that the "use insert key as an NVDA modifier" is checked.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: 28 April 2018 08:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help

hello all,
i've a problem with my laptop.
it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
navigate around the screen with nvda.
but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change sound,
screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
with nvda.
there is also no numlock key.

i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
the digits are working correct with numlock off.
but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
mouse click and a right mouse click.
but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.

so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
is there a way to solve this problem?
i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
thanks in advance!
paul otter


Re: what can i do please help

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Exactly, and trying to do this on a keyboard with no numeric pad can be a challenge. also on a lot of Dels some other keys are two keypresses. Things like the right windows key is often missing I found.
If you use several machines and one is a laptop with no keypad my brain usually gets confused!
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help


Hi
I think you need to switch keyboard layout to Desktop if you have a numpad connected. You say the digits work with numlock off but surely numlock needs to be on for the digits to work and numlock needs to be off for keys to operate NVDA. Also check that the "use insert key as an NVDA modifier" is checked.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: 28 April 2018 08:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help

hello all,
i've a problem with my laptop.
it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
navigate around the screen with nvda.
but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change sound,
screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
with nvda.
there is also no numlock key.

i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
the digits are working correct with numlock off.
but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
mouse click and a right mouse click.
but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.

so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
is there a way to solve this problem?
i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
thanks in advance!
paul otter


Re: opening combo boxes

Chris
 

You could try when on a combo box make sure you are in focus mode, nvda+space, to toggle, then hold alt+down arrow to expand the combo box, then you arrow down or up to the option you want and hit enter to close the combo box

 

 

From: Don H
Sent: 29 April 2018 07:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] opening combo boxes

 

Running latest NVDA on Win 10 fall creator and mostly using Google

Chrome as my browser.

Probably not a NVDA problem but a technique problem.

I am coming across some combo boxes on various web sites that if you

press enter on a conbo box and hit the down arrow to open it it is

moving to the first option in the combo box and using that as your

choice and going to that option.  In other words I can not go through

all the options in the combo box to select the one I really want.  Is

there a trick to opening this type of combo box?

Thanks

 

 

 

 


Re: Pandora & Windows 10

David Moore
 

Hi Carla!

That is great! Let us know how it goes for you!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Carla Laesch Etheredge
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 10:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pandora & Windows 10

 

Thank u!!I'm gonna download Google Chrome and see how  it  works with the website. No wonder why I was not having much success with Firefox and IE, it doesn't work well, lol.

 

Take care,

 

Carla Kay Etheredge
cklaesch.etheredge@...

On 4/27/2018 1:21 AM, David Moore wrote:

Hi!

I listen to Pandora a lot, right from the following web site:

www.pandora.com

It is very easy to navigate with headings and such, and you can create radio stations and all right on the web site.

I use it for free and really love just getting on that Pandora web site.

NVDA will work great with that site with Google Chrome and MS Edge very well, and Okay with Firefox and IE, but not as good.

Take care, and if I can be of help with NVDA for you, please let me know!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Carla Laesch Etheredge
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 8:31 PM
To: NVDA Group
Subject: [nvda] Pandora & Windows 10

 

Hi everyone,

 

I'm a new user of NVDA. I have previously been a Jaws user, so it's been

an interesting transition to NVDA, but so far I like it. I'm wondering,

on my previous computer running Windows 7, I used to use the program

called Hope to listen to Pandora. I'm wondering if this program is still

around, and if so is it accessible using NVDA and Windows 10? I recently

got a new computer, so I don't have the program to install it and try.

If it's not, does anyone know of any other programs or ways to listen to

Pandora while on the computer? Thanks in advance.

 

 

--

Carla Kay Etheredge

cklaesch.etheredge@...

 

 

 

 

 

 


opening combo boxes

Don H
 

Running latest NVDA on Win 10 fall creator and mostly using Google Chrome as my browser.
Probably not a NVDA problem but a technique problem.
I am coming across some combo boxes on various web sites that if you press enter on a conbo box and hit the down arrow to open it it is moving to the first option in the combo box and using that as your choice and going to that option. In other words I can not go through all the options in the combo box to select the one I really want. Is there a trick to opening this type of combo box?
Thanks


Presentation and a question

Diego Ricardo Matos <diegoricardomatosm4@...>
 

Hello guys!
My name is Diego, and I live in Brazil.
I've been using NVDA since 2012 as the only screen reader and I have
no problem with it.

Well, let's get my first question:
Does anyone know of any accessible network simulator?
I hope I can contribute to the list and to NVDA. as much as I can.


Re: new laptop

 

Hmmm.

Looking at the lenovo, for what I want the thinkpad t480 or 580 look like my cup of tea but compaired to the edge e580, the prices are large.

Saying that, with the thinkpad t, it does appear that if I want to, for about 3700 I can run a full system with flash, thats 128gb of os storage and 1tb of flash storage though its an extra grand for the flash and thats the current sale only.

Its promising to me that lenovo may still use unlocked cards without their own control panels.

Ofcause against that, hp do use amd processers in my configuration but at the end of the day hmmm.

I have had several people recomend lenovo with several on other lists recomend the t series.

How are lenovos with say virtual machines since this is one thing I have been thinking about.

On 4/29/2018 12:50 PM, valiant8086 wrote:
Hi.

On the Yoga2pro it has some enhancements that cause it to crackle a bit, so I turn it off by using the disable all enhancements checkbox in the stock windows sound thing. It doesn't make audiodg.exe use lots of cpu the same way the dell's seem to.


Not sure if that may have been changed since then.


Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

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On 4/26/2018 11:54 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well all my units have been 15.6-17 inch, I wouldn't be going bigger than 15.6, sure if a 13 supported duel drives sure but well hmmm.

That is a concern if the apps on the lenovo are not as accessible as one would like though realistically all I would need would be the units serial number or whatever service number I need to update the thing.

I know dell does allow autodetection of the units as does hp.

Something betwene a gaming which is huge and heavy to a smaller unit, anything from 1.8 through 2.6 which is about what I have now in weight is fine.

I plan to do all my work, gaming, and entertainment on the unit I choose so it needs a bit of everything.

What are the sound effects and enhancements like on the lenovo.

The keyboard does give me some pause I can deal with a few things but if I have to swap the board about with keys if I ever need to use the unit without my external board, well it depends what is where.




On 4/27/2018 9:41 AM, valiant8086 wrote:
Hi.


At least on my Yoga2pro, the bloat is mostly in the form of small uwp apps, nonobtrusive. Some of them are useful, and not all that screen reader friendly, like Lenovo Software Update, which maintains the drivers and such. Lenovo uses the function key row for action keys by default you have to change it. FN escape will toggle it, but that may be temporary. A permanent fix that sticks across reboots may arive if you update the bios and hit fn+escape again, or if that still doesn't work, just using sighted assistance and turning the media keys into function keys directly in the bios will work. Sometimes keys aren't where they ought to be. Lenovo Yoga920 for instance, Yoga720, don't have context keys at least not in the proper place between right alt and right control. Keys will need remapping to get them to do things one is used to like for instance if the insert key is in the wrong place, may be able to remap it with what ever is to the left of delete, possibly print screen. I've got 30000 hours of runtime on my Yoga2pro with some button swaps applied and all is well. The keyboard is physically at end of life, but my print screen or what ever it is has happily been function as an insert key for all these years with no trouble.


You might need USB type A ports, so ensure that you're going to be getting those and won't be left with only USB c and thunderbolt ports, that's common now.


Do you want a little ultrabook or would a slightly fatter laptop with just a 13 inch screen work or what.


As far as I can tell currently in terms of hardware performance Yoga's winner in the ultrabook field is Thinkpad t480s, and there's a small chance I'll be buying one soon. If you have a model you're interested in and want to geek out with benchmarks, hardware reviews and such try googling something like this

notebookcheck.net dell xps13 2 in 1

notebookcheck.net Lenovo T480s

and of course, availability is a factor. I would guess that Lenovo and Asus both would be available in some form or another.


Cheers:

Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

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On 4/25/2018 4:25 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
AAh ok, is any of that extra lenovo stuff any good though.

For example, on my old toshiba I kept all of the extras mostly till it exited support then cannd it all because it was not of use.

On the hp I had bar office mcafee and some games I kept most of it as I used the support hub a lot and it had some use.

After all the issues with the cyberlink stuff and my dvd drive on another system weather I keep that on on my new box would be a different matter I'd probably keep it but not use it.

As for lenovo, I think I would look at it first and see if it was any used to me before I killed it all and at least looked what use it had.

Some of it I'd probably get rid of though.

Not everything is bloat if you have a use for it.




On 4/26/2018 12:52 AM, kelby carlson wrote:
I've had pretty decent luck with my Lenovo, though there will be some bloatware that comes with the PC you'll want to get rid of. (Basically anything in the programs list that starts with Lenovo can be uninstalled safely.) I've had mine for a year and it generally runs quite fast.
On Apr 25, 2018, at 4:25 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

aah ok.




On 4/25/2018 8:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
You probably need to talk to Jonathan Mosen then, he lives in NZ and has just been through a laptop purchase for his blind wife.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 7:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] new laptop


Hi.
As my toshiba is getting quite old I will be getting another laptop.
What should I avoid, what should I go for.
I have used asus boards and find them stable enough.
I have used an hp my aunt has and while there are enhancements to manage its stable enough.
People say stay away from dell because of its sound effects thingy and other things, and well lenovo aparently is quite good though never investigated that one.
Note, anything suggested must be able to be gotten in new zealand or at least have me have a shot at getting.
It will have win10 to.
















Re: Pandora & Windows 10

Carla Laesch Etheredge
 

Thank u!!I'm gonna download Google Chrome and see how  it  works with the website. No wonder why I was not having much success with Firefox and IE, it doesn't work well, lol.


Take care,


Carla Kay Etheredge
cklaesch.etheredge@...
On 4/27/2018 1:21 AM, David Moore wrote:

Hi!

I listen to Pandora a lot, right from the following web site:

www.pandora.com

It is very easy to navigate with headings and such, and you can create radio stations and all right on the web site.

I use it for free and really love just getting on that Pandora web site.

NVDA will work great with that site with Google Chrome and MS Edge very well, and Okay with Firefox and IE, but not as good.

Take care, and if I can be of help with NVDA for you, please let me know!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Carla Laesch Etheredge
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 8:31 PM
To: NVDA Group
Subject: [nvda] Pandora & Windows 10

 

Hi everyone,

 

I'm a new user of NVDA. I have previously been a Jaws user, so it's been

an interesting transition to NVDA, but so far I like it. I'm wondering,

on my previous computer running Windows 7, I used to use the program

called Hope to listen to Pandora. I'm wondering if this program is still

around, and if so is it accessible using NVDA and Windows 10? I recently

got a new computer, so I don't have the program to install it and try.

If it's not, does anyone know of any other programs or ways to listen to

Pandora while on the computer? Thanks in advance.

 

 

--

Carla Kay Etheredge

cklaesch.etheredge@...

 

 

 

 



Re: what can i do please help

Sarah k Alawami
 

I believe that with mine I had to use the fn key to access pg up and pg dn.. But that's it really. Over all I never have had to touch my fn key.

Take care

On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:43 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't know how generalizable these fn commands are.  Commands such as control left arrow, control right arrow, left arrow and right arrow are Windows commands.  the fn commands being discussed may be manufacturer or model specific commands.  Others with more knowledge will, I hope discuss this, but I wouldn't assume they are standard commands without more information.  I question how widespread these fn commands are used, especially since control home is top of document and control end is end of document.  As far as I know, NVDA, using the laptop computer keyboard layout, doesn't use any fn combination keys.  these are all computer commands and I wouldn't assume they are standardized.  the other commands listed in Suzie's message, control home, control end, etc. are all Windows commands and are standardized.  they are commands for working in edit fields.  they are not necessarily commands for working in other places such as in lists and where they are used in other contexts, they have other functions than in documents.  
 
You said you want to use screen review commands.  these commands are entirely different from the commands now being discussed.  They are NVDA commands for reviewing the screen.  If you have a laptop where fn and the letter keys you discussed do review the screen, such as fn j, k, l, that's because you are simulating the numpad number keys with those combinations and you are simulating those keys as though the numlock were not on.  So you are executing NVDA review commands.  Numpad 8, for example, is say current line.  What you want to do is use fn and a letter key on the right side of the keyboard to execute that numpad key.  I can't tell how much of what I'm saying you know but I'm going into all this to avoid confusion if you don't know all this.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

that's working great!
i'm glad you tell me.
i'll try it out and if i have questions about this i write you!
thanks!
paul otter


Op 29-4-2018 om 01:32 schreef Suzy:
> Hi Paul,
>
> If you are using NVDA with the laptop layout on a Dell computer, you can navigate the screen with the arrow keys. I have never used the FN key with letters to do this. In fact, an NVDA modifier is not necessary.
> Left or Right Arrows read the screen letter by letter.
> Add Control to the left and right arrow keys and read the screen word by word.
> Up or Down arrows read the screen line by line.
> FN + Left Arrow is Home.
> FN + Right Arrow is End.
> FN + Up Arrow is Page Up.
> FN + Down Arrow is Page Down.
> Add Control to the Home or End commands above to move to the top or the bottom of the screen.
> And finally, add Shift to the above commands to select text.
>
> I've used these commands on Asus, Toshiba, Dell, and Lenovo laptops.
>
> Each of these computers differ on how to make the Function Keys work without using the FN key. Look on line or read your manual to learn how to do it.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Suzy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help
>
> i've done already, but the problem is that i can not navigate around the screen like i do with the numberic key block on my computer.
> all the other things are possible i know there are some laptops where you can press the fn key while typing the letters jkl uio and 789 to manipulate the screen.
> but it's a pitty, not here unfortunately!
>    cheers paul otter
>
>
> Op 28-4-2018 om 17:25 schreef George McCoy:
>> I wound up with a laptop that did the same kind of thing.  I switched
>> NVDA to the laptop keyboard layout and, after a short learning period,
>> I was able to do everything I did before.  So you might want to try
>> out the laptop layout and see what happens.
>>
>> Best of luck,
>> George
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:08 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help
>>
>> hello all,
>> i've a problem with my laptop.
>> it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
>> it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
>> most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
>> navigate around the screen with nvda.
>> but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
>> sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
>> what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
>> with nvda.
>> there is also no numlock key.
>>
>> i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
>> the digits are working correct with numlock off.
>> but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
>> mouse click and a right mouse click.
>> but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.
>>
>> so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
>> is there a way to solve this problem?
>> i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
>> thanks in advance!
>> paul otter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> .
>





Re: what can i do please help

Sarah k Alawami
 

I actually have laptop mode on my laptop with a number pad and the number pad still works with the navigation keys when I need it to.

On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:18 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi
I think you need to switch keyboard layout to Desktop if you have a numpad connected.  You say the digits work with numlock off but surely numlock needs to be on for the digits to work and numlock needs to be off for keys to operate NVDA.  Also check that the "use insert key as an NVDA modifier" is checked. 

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: 28 April 2018 08:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help

hello all,
i've a problem with my laptop.
it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to 
navigate around the screen with nvda.
but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change sound, 
screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen 
with nvda.
there is also no numlock key.

i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
the digits are working correct with numlock off.
but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left 
mouse click and a right mouse click.
but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.

so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
is there a way to solve this problem?
i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
thanks in advance!
paul otter







Re: what can i do please help

Gene
 

I don't know how generalizable these fn commands are.  Commands such as control left arrow, control right arrow, left arrow and right arrow are Windows commands.  the fn commands being discussed may be manufacturer or model specific commands.  Others with more knowledge will, I hope discuss this, but I wouldn't assume they are standard commands without more information.  I question how widespread these fn commands are used, especially since control home is top of document and control end is end of document.  As far as I know, NVDA, using the laptop computer keyboard layout, doesn't use any fn combination keys.  these are all computer commands and I wouldn't assume they are standardized.  the other commands listed in Suzie's message, control home, control end, etc. are all Windows commands and are standardized.  they are commands for working in edit fields.  they are not necessarily commands for working in other places such as in lists and where they are used in other contexts, they have other functions than in documents. 
 
You said you want to use screen review commands.  these commands are entirely different from the commands now being discussed.  They are NVDA commands for reviewing the screen.  If you have a laptop where fn and the letter keys you discussed do review the screen, such as fn j, k, l, that's because you are simulating the numpad number keys with those combinations and you are simulating those keys as though the numlock were not on.  So you are executing NVDA review commands.  Numpad 8, for example, is say current line.  What you want to do is use fn and a letter key on the right side of the keyboard to execute that numpad key.  I can't tell how much of what I'm saying you know but I'm going into all this to avoid confusion if you don't know all this.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

that's working great!
i'm glad you tell me.
i'll try it out and if i have questions about this i write you!
thanks!
paul otter


Op 29-4-2018 om 01:32 schreef Suzy:
> Hi Paul,
>
> If you are using NVDA with the laptop layout on a Dell computer, you can navigate the screen with the arrow keys. I have never used the FN key with letters to do this. In fact, an NVDA modifier is not necessary.
> Left or Right Arrows read the screen letter by letter.
> Add Control to the left and right arrow keys and read the screen word by word.
> Up or Down arrows read the screen line by line.
> FN + Left Arrow is Home.
> FN + Right Arrow is End.
> FN + Up Arrow is Page Up.
> FN + Down Arrow is Page Down.
> Add Control to the Home or End commands above to move to the top or the bottom of the screen.
> And finally, add Shift to the above commands to select text.
>
> I've used these commands on Asus, Toshiba, Dell, and Lenovo laptops.
>
> Each of these computers differ on how to make the Function Keys work without using the FN key. Look on line or read your manual to learn how to do it.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Suzy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help
>
> i've done already, but the problem is that i can not navigate around the screen like i do with the numberic key block on my computer.
> all the other things are possible i know there are some laptops where you can press the fn key while typing the letters jkl uio and 789 to manipulate the screen.
> but it's a pitty, not here unfortunately!
>    cheers paul otter
>
>
> Op 28-4-2018 om 17:25 schreef George McCoy:
>> I wound up with a laptop that did the same kind of thing.  I switched
>> NVDA to the laptop keyboard layout and, after a short learning period,
>> I was able to do everything I did before.  So you might want to try
>> out the laptop layout and see what happens.
>>
>> Best of luck,
>> George
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:08 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help
>>
>> hello all,
>> i've a problem with my laptop.
>> it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
>> it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
>> most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
>> navigate around the screen with nvda.
>> but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
>> sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
>> what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
>> with nvda.
>> there is also no numlock key.
>>
>> i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
>> the digits are working correct with numlock off.
>> but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
>> mouse click and a right mouse click.
>> but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.
>>
>> so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
>> is there a way to solve this problem?
>> i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
>> thanks in advance!
>> paul otter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>




Re: new laptop

valiant8086
 

Hi.

On the Yoga2pro it has some enhancements that cause it to crackle a bit, so I turn it off by using the disable all enhancements checkbox in the stock windows sound thing. It doesn't make audiodg.exe use lots of cpu the same way the dell's seem to.


Not sure if that may have been changed since then.


Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 4/26/2018 11:54 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well all my units have been 15.6-17 inch, I wouldn't be going bigger than 15.6, sure if a 13 supported duel drives sure but well hmmm.

That is a concern if the apps on the lenovo are not as accessible as one would like though realistically all I would need would be the units serial number or whatever service number I need to update the thing.

I know dell does allow autodetection of the units as does hp.

Something betwene a gaming which is huge and heavy to a smaller unit, anything from 1.8 through 2.6 which is about what I have now in weight is fine.

I plan to do all my work, gaming, and entertainment on the unit I choose so it needs a bit of everything.

What are the sound effects and enhancements like on the lenovo.

The keyboard does give me some pause I can deal with a few things but if I have to swap the board about with keys if I ever need to use the unit without my external board, well it depends what is where.




On 4/27/2018 9:41 AM, valiant8086 wrote:
Hi.


At least on my Yoga2pro, the bloat is mostly in the form of small uwp apps, nonobtrusive. Some of them are useful, and not all that screen reader friendly, like Lenovo Software Update, which maintains the drivers and such. Lenovo uses the function key row for action keys by default you have to change it. FN escape will toggle it, but that may be temporary. A permanent fix that sticks across reboots may arive if you update the bios and hit fn+escape again, or if that still doesn't work, just using sighted assistance and turning the media keys into function keys directly in the bios will work. Sometimes keys aren't where they ought to be. Lenovo Yoga920 for instance, Yoga720, don't have context keys at least not in the proper place between right alt and right control. Keys will need remapping to get them to do things one is used to like for instance if the insert key is in the wrong place, may be able to remap it with what ever is to the left of delete, possibly print screen. I've got 30000 hours of runtime on my Yoga2pro with some button swaps applied and all is well. The keyboard is physically at end of life, but my print screen or what ever it is has happily been function as an insert key for all these years with no trouble.


You might need USB type A ports, so ensure that you're going to be getting those and won't be left with only USB c and thunderbolt ports, that's common now.


Do you want a little ultrabook or would a slightly fatter laptop with just a 13 inch screen work or what.


As far as I can tell currently in terms of hardware performance Yoga's winner in the ultrabook field is Thinkpad t480s, and there's a small chance I'll be buying one soon. If you have a model you're interested in and want to geek out with benchmarks, hardware reviews and such try googling something like this

notebookcheck.net dell xps13 2 in 1

notebookcheck.net Lenovo T480s

and of course, availability is a factor. I would guess that Lenovo and Asus both would be available in some form or another.


Cheers:

Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 4/25/2018 4:25 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
AAh ok, is any of that extra lenovo stuff any good though.

For example, on my old toshiba I kept all of the extras mostly till it exited support then cannd it all because it was not of use.

On the hp I had bar office mcafee and some games I kept most of it as I used the support hub a lot and it had some use.

After all the issues with the cyberlink stuff and my dvd drive on another system weather I keep that on on my new box would be a different matter I'd probably keep it but not use it.

As for lenovo, I think I would look at it first and see if it was any used to me before I killed it all and at least looked what use it had.

Some of it I'd probably get rid of though.

Not everything is bloat if you have a use for it.




On 4/26/2018 12:52 AM, kelby carlson wrote:
I've had pretty decent luck with my Lenovo, though there will be some bloatware that comes with the PC you'll want to get rid of. (Basically anything in the programs list that starts with Lenovo can be uninstalled safely.) I've had mine for a year and it generally runs quite fast.
On Apr 25, 2018, at 4:25 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

aah ok.




On 4/25/2018 8:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
You probably need to talk to Jonathan Mosen then, he lives in NZ and has just been through a laptop purchase for his blind wife.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 7:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] new laptop


Hi.
As my toshiba is getting quite old I will be getting another laptop.
What should I avoid, what should I go for.
I have used asus boards and find them stable enough.
I have used an hp my aunt has and while there are enhancements to manage its stable enough.
People say stay away from dell because of its sound effects thingy and other things, and well lenovo aparently is quite good though never investigated that one.
Note, anything suggested must be able to be gotten in new zealand or at least have me have a shot at getting.
It will have win10 to.