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Re: An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

 

Hi,

A few years ago there was a huge debate on the development channel regarding how we can do this. But, as of today, it is highly unlikely that it can be done due to vast paradigm shift that has just occurred on settings dialogs.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

 

Every so often, when I look through the NVDA menu, I wonder why accelerator commands aren't given.  these are usually commands such as control and a character such as a letter or a number.  NVDA has lots of these commands, usually being combinations of control NVDA key and a character such as a letter or number.  The synthesizer dialog, for example, opens with NVDA key control s.  The voice settings dialog opens with control NVDA key v.  Why are none of these commands voiced when moving through the NVDA menu?  This is an important way for those who know enough about Windows basics to know what they mean to be made aware of such commands or to quickly review them without the cumbersome need to look in documentation.  It also is standard for menus to voice accelerator commands. 

 

Gene


An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

Gene
 

Every so often, when I look through the NVDA menu, I wonder why accelerator commands aren't given.  these are usually commands such as control and a character such as a letter or a number.  NVDA has lots of these commands, usually being combinations of control NVDA key and a character such as a letter or number.  The synthesizer dialog, for example, opens with NVDA key control s.  The voice settings dialog opens with control NVDA key v.  Why are none of these commands voiced when moving through the NVDA menu?  This is an important way for those who know enough about Windows basics to know what they mean to be made aware of such commands or to quickly review them without the cumbersome need to look in documentation.  It also is standard for menus to voice accelerator commands. 
 
Gene


Re: what can i do please help

P. Otter
 

unfortunately no!
when nummlock is off, there are changes the 7 is home, the 4 is left arow, 1 is end etc!
no difference if fn key is pressed or not.
i realy don't know what to do now.
on the keyboard the letter k keeps k with fn key pressed or not.
cheers
paul otter


Op 30-4-2018 om 16:23 schreef Ralf Kefferpuetz:

When you are using an external USB numpad you have to switch to desktop keyboard in the NVDA keyboard settings. I assume your numpad will then work as expected when numlock is turned off.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Montag, 30. April 2018 15:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

hello, yes i've already done, that was the first thing i did!
but when i put numlock on, there the arrow keys on 8 2 4 and 6.
i've nothing to do with it.
what i want is the navigation keys for nvda.
most laptops or some laptops are made while you press the fn key you can use the letter keys on the right hand to navigate with nvda.
but not with my dell laptop.
i'm wondering if there is a little tool that when i press the fn key i can use the letters on the right hand.
if so, i'm realy glad with it!
what they toled about the arrow keys will not work to navigate for nvda, with or without the fn key pressed.
cheers
paul otter
 

Op 29-4-2018 om 21:01 schreef Chris Mullins:

Paul

Have you tried using the numpad with NVDA input help switched on?  It would be interesting to know what keystrokes it is generating.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 29 April 2018 00:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Those aren't screen review commands.  Those are commands to move and read information on a screen such as in a word processing program where a cursor is present.  Such commands are Windows commands and will work regardless of screen-reader being used and regardless of keyboard layout. If a sighted person uses such commands with no screen-reader being used, the sighted person will move the cursor in the same ways, right and left arrow, by character, control right and left arrow, by word., etc. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suzy

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Hi Paul,

If you are using NVDA with the laptop layout on a Dell computer, you can navigate the screen with the arrow keys. I have never used the FN key with letters to do this. In fact, an NVDA modifier is not necessary.
Left or Right Arrows read the screen letter by letter.
Add Control to the left and right arrow keys and read the screen word by word.
Up or Down arrows read the screen line by line.
FN + Left Arrow is Home.
FN + Right Arrow is End.
FN + Up Arrow is Page Up.
FN + Down Arrow is Page Down.
Add Control to the Home or End commands above to move to the top or the bottom of the screen.
And finally, add Shift to the above commands to select text.

I've used these commands on Asus, Toshiba, Dell, and Lenovo laptops.

Each of these computers differ on how to make the Function Keys work without using the FN key. Look on line or read your manual to learn how to do it.

Hope this helps.
Suzy



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

i've done already, but the problem is that i can not navigate around the screen like i do with the numberic key block on my computer.
all the other things are possible i know there are some laptops where you can press the fn key while typing the letters jkl uio and 789 to manipulate the screen.
but it's a pitty, not here unfortunately!
  cheers paul otter


Op 28-4-2018 om 17:25 schreef George McCoy:
> I wound up with a laptop that did the same kind of thing.  I switched
> NVDA to the laptop keyboard layout and, after a short learning period,
> I was able to do everything I did before.  So you might want to try
> out the laptop layout and see what happens.
>
> Best of luck,
> George
>
> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help
>
> hello all,
> i've a problem with my laptop.
> it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
> it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
> most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
> navigate around the screen with nvda.
> but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
> sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
> what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
> with nvda.
> there is also no numlock key.
>
> i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
> the digits are working correct with numlock off.
> but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
> mouse click and a right mouse click.
> but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.
>
> so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
> is there a way to solve this problem?
> i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
> thanks in advance!
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>








 



Re: what can i do please help

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

When you are using an external USB numpad you have to switch to desktop keyboard in the NVDA keyboard settings. I assume your numpad will then work as expected when numlock is turned off.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Montag, 30. April 2018 15:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

hello, yes i've already done, that was the first thing i did!
but when i put numlock on, there the arrow keys on 8 2 4 and 6.
i've nothing to do with it.
what i want is the navigation keys for nvda.
most laptops or some laptops are made while you press the fn key you can use the letter keys on the right hand to navigate with nvda.
but not with my dell laptop.
i'm wondering if there is a little tool that when i press the fn key i can use the letters on the right hand.
if so, i'm realy glad with it!
what they toled about the arrow keys will not work to navigate for nvda, with or without the fn key pressed.
cheers
paul otter
 

Op 29-4-2018 om 21:01 schreef Chris Mullins:

Paul

Have you tried using the numpad with NVDA input help switched on?  It would be interesting to know what keystrokes it is generating.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 29 April 2018 00:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Those aren't screen review commands.  Those are commands to move and read information on a screen such as in a word processing program where a cursor is present.  Such commands are Windows commands and will work regardless of screen-reader being used and regardless of keyboard layout. If a sighted person uses such commands with no screen-reader being used, the sighted person will move the cursor in the same ways, right and left arrow, by character, control right and left arrow, by word., etc. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suzy

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Hi Paul,

If you are using NVDA with the laptop layout on a Dell computer, you can navigate the screen with the arrow keys. I have never used the FN key with letters to do this. In fact, an NVDA modifier is not necessary.
Left or Right Arrows read the screen letter by letter.
Add Control to the left and right arrow keys and read the screen word by word.
Up or Down arrows read the screen line by line.
FN + Left Arrow is Home.
FN + Right Arrow is End.
FN + Up Arrow is Page Up.
FN + Down Arrow is Page Down.
Add Control to the Home or End commands above to move to the top or the bottom of the screen.
And finally, add Shift to the above commands to select text.

I've used these commands on Asus, Toshiba, Dell, and Lenovo laptops.

Each of these computers differ on how to make the Function Keys work without using the FN key. Look on line or read your manual to learn how to do it.

Hope this helps.
Suzy



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

i've done already, but the problem is that i can not navigate around the screen like i do with the numberic key block on my computer.
all the other things are possible i know there are some laptops where you can press the fn key while typing the letters jkl uio and 789 to manipulate the screen.
but it's a pitty, not here unfortunately!
  cheers paul otter


Op 28-4-2018 om 17:25 schreef George McCoy:
> I wound up with a laptop that did the same kind of thing.  I switched
> NVDA to the laptop keyboard layout and, after a short learning period,
> I was able to do everything I did before.  So you might want to try
> out the laptop layout and see what happens.
>
> Best of luck,
> George
>
> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help
>
> hello all,
> i've a problem with my laptop.
> it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
> it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
> most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
> navigate around the screen with nvda.
> but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
> sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
> what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
> with nvda.
> there is also no numlock key.
>
> i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
> the digits are working correct with numlock off.
> but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
> mouse click and a right mouse click.
> but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.
>
> so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
> is there a way to solve this problem?
> i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
> thanks in advance!
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>








 


Re: what can i do please help

Gene
 

What you are describing, if that is what is happening, makes no sense.  When the nunlock is on, you should hear numbers.  When it's not, the keys do other things.  I think it would be a very good idea to try another numpad to see if the problem is the numpad or how your computer works with the numpad. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: P. Otter
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

hello, yes i've already done, that was the first thing i did!
but when i put numlock on, there the arrow keys on 8 2 4 and 6.
i've nothing to do with it.
what i want is the navigation keys for nvda.
most laptops or some laptops are made while you press the fn key you can use the letter keys on the right hand to navigate with nvda.
but not with my dell laptop.
i'm wondering if there is a little tool that when i press the fn key i can use the letters on the right hand.
if so, i'm realy glad with it!
what they toled about the arrow keys will not work to navigate for nvda, with or without the fn key pressed.
cheers
paul otter
 

Op 29-4-2018 om 21:01 schreef Chris Mullins:

Paul

Have you tried using the numpad with NVDA input help switched on?  It would be interesting to know what keystrokes it is generating.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 29 April 2018 00:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Those aren't screen review commands.  Those are commands to move and read information on a screen such as in a word processing program where a cursor is present.  Such commands are Windows commands and will work regardless of screen-reader being used and regardless of keyboard layout. If a sighted person uses such commands with no screen-reader being used, the sighted person will move the cursor in the same ways, right and left arrow, by character, control right and left arrow, by word., etc. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suzy

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Hi Paul,

If you are using NVDA with the laptop layout on a Dell computer, you can navigate the screen with the arrow keys. I have never used the FN key with letters to do this. In fact, an NVDA modifier is not necessary.
Left or Right Arrows read the screen letter by letter.
Add Control to the left and right arrow keys and read the screen word by word.
Up or Down arrows read the screen line by line.
FN + Left Arrow is Home.
FN + Right Arrow is End.
FN + Up Arrow is Page Up.
FN + Down Arrow is Page Down.
Add Control to the Home or End commands above to move to the top or the bottom of the screen.
And finally, add Shift to the above commands to select text.

I've used these commands on Asus, Toshiba, Dell, and Lenovo laptops.

Each of these computers differ on how to make the Function Keys work without using the FN key. Look on line or read your manual to learn how to do it.

Hope this helps.
Suzy



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

i've done already, but the problem is that i can not navigate around the screen like i do with the numberic key block on my computer.
all the other things are possible i know there are some laptops where you can press the fn key while typing the letters jkl uio and 789 to manipulate the screen.
but it's a pitty, not here unfortunately!
  cheers paul otter


Op 28-4-2018 om 17:25 schreef George McCoy:
> I wound up with a laptop that did the same kind of thing.  I switched
> NVDA to the laptop keyboard layout and, after a short learning period,
> I was able to do everything I did before.  So you might want to try
> out the laptop layout and see what happens.
>
> Best of luck,
> George
>
> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help
>
> hello all,
> i've a problem with my laptop.
> it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
> it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
> most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
> navigate around the screen with nvda.
> but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
> sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
> what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
> with nvda.
> there is also no numlock key.
>
> i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
> the digits are working correct with numlock off.
> but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
> mouse click and a right mouse click.
> but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.
>
> so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
> is there a way to solve this problem?
> i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
> thanks in advance!
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>









Re: what can i do please help

P. Otter
 

hello, yes i've already done, that was the first thing i did!
but when i put numlock on, there the arrow keys on 8 2 4 and 6.
i've nothing to do with it.
what i want is the navigation keys for nvda.
most laptops or some laptops are made while you press the fn key you can use the letter keys on the right hand to navigate with nvda.
but not with my dell laptop.
i'm wondering if there is a little tool that when i press the fn key i can use the letters on the right hand.
if so, i'm realy glad with it!
what they toled about the arrow keys will not work to navigate for nvda, with or without the fn key pressed.
cheers
paul otter
 

Op 29-4-2018 om 21:01 schreef Chris Mullins:

Paul

Have you tried using the numpad with NVDA input help switched on?  It would be interesting to know what keystrokes it is generating.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 29 April 2018 00:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Those aren't screen review commands.  Those are commands to move and read information on a screen such as in a word processing program where a cursor is present.  Such commands are Windows commands and will work regardless of screen-reader being used and regardless of keyboard layout. If a sighted person uses such commands with no screen-reader being used, the sighted person will move the cursor in the same ways, right and left arrow, by character, control right and left arrow, by word., etc. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suzy

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Hi Paul,

If you are using NVDA with the laptop layout on a Dell computer, you can navigate the screen with the arrow keys. I have never used the FN key with letters to do this. In fact, an NVDA modifier is not necessary.
Left or Right Arrows read the screen letter by letter.
Add Control to the left and right arrow keys and read the screen word by word.
Up or Down arrows read the screen line by line.
FN + Left Arrow is Home.
FN + Right Arrow is End.
FN + Up Arrow is Page Up.
FN + Down Arrow is Page Down.
Add Control to the Home or End commands above to move to the top or the bottom of the screen.
And finally, add Shift to the above commands to select text.

I've used these commands on Asus, Toshiba, Dell, and Lenovo laptops.

Each of these computers differ on how to make the Function Keys work without using the FN key. Look on line or read your manual to learn how to do it.

Hope this helps.
Suzy



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

i've done already, but the problem is that i can not navigate around the screen like i do with the numberic key block on my computer.
all the other things are possible i know there are some laptops where you can press the fn key while typing the letters jkl uio and 789 to manipulate the screen.
but it's a pitty, not here unfortunately!
  cheers paul otter


Op 28-4-2018 om 17:25 schreef George McCoy:
> I wound up with a laptop that did the same kind of thing.  I switched
> NVDA to the laptop keyboard layout and, after a short learning period,
> I was able to do everything I did before.  So you might want to try
> out the laptop layout and see what happens.
>
> Best of luck,
> George
>
> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help
>
> hello all,
> i've a problem with my laptop.
> it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
> it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
> most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
> navigate around the screen with nvda.
> but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
> sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
> what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
> with nvda.
> there is also no numlock key.
>
> i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
> the digits are working correct with numlock off.
> but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
> mouse click and a right mouse click.
> but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.
>
> so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
> is there a way to solve this problem?
> i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
> thanks in advance!
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>









Re: the subject of laptop specs

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Unfortunately outside of New Zealand and the US inbuilt 4g modems are rare in laptops so far as i can tell.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 6:16 AM
Subject: [nvda] the subject of laptop specs


Hi.

I have not wayed in on the descussion on laptops of what they should do.

I have always liked to run music on my systems especially when on the road and offline.

A nice unit with either a large internal drive or extras maybe a duel drive is what I like.

However with the way of streaming services I know friends that run everything off their phones and get away with a 256gb or 128gb drive thats not for me I do have externals but its still not for me.

As for running a 32 or 16gb drive on a low end unit.

I have cousins and friends that are students either at school or university.

Just about everything is cloud based either on google docs or an office cloud subscription.

There is no reason or even need if you have the right stuff set for you to ever load anything on your computer bar what you need.

There is a lower side well a down side which is why small units are not for me.

Go offline or loose power or net access and well you have a problem.

I have been there however with the rising of low end units a lot of the near tablets have mobile cell network support out of the box.

My uncle who works in a large company while he does some stuff on his laptop does a lot on the cloud and can't afford to be away from the net.

He has a mobile data card and this works well for him so there are many ways.

I would personally not do that however.




Re: NVDA Confuguration profiles and heading setting in google sheets

Brian's Mail list account
 

I'm sure I saw a reply about Google docs back in the chain somewhere. Maybe your feed is missing some posts.
I cannot say configuration profiles has caused a slow down here, but then I guess it depends on your machine and what differences there are in the configurations.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu" <erdemyigitoglu@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 8:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Confuguration profiles and heading setting in google sheets


Hello,
I have two questions:
First of all,, for sometime, I have been realizing that my computer is very slow on swiching between programs for example between word and firefox. Today I realized that it is due to different confuguration profiles I use for those programs. When I deleted them, problem was gon. The problem is that I love the confuguration feature of NVDA. Usually I use different rates of speach and document viewing options for different programs. is there any way to customize NVDA for different programs without problem swiching between them?
Secondly, I have asked about setting headings in google sheets fiew days ago. I guess noone knows about it or didn't see the message so I'm asking it second time: we can sett row and collemn headings in excel with ctr+shift+r or c, can we do the same in google sheets?
Best regards


the subject of laptop specs

 

Hi.

I have not wayed in on the descussion on laptops of what they should do.

I have always liked to run music on my systems especially when on the road and offline.

A nice unit with either a large internal drive or extras maybe a duel drive is what I like.

However with the way of streaming services I know friends that run everything off their phones and get away with a 256gb or 128gb drive thats not for me I do have externals but its still not for me.

As for running a 32 or 16gb drive on a low end unit.

I have cousins and friends that are students either at school or university.

Just about everything is cloud based either on google docs or an office cloud subscription.

There is no reason or even need if you have the right stuff set for you to ever load anything on your computer bar what you need.

There is a lower side well a down side which is why small units are not for me.

Go offline or loose power or net access and well you have a problem.

I have been there however with the rising of low end units a lot of the near tablets have mobile cell network support out of the box.

My uncle who works in a large company while he does some stuff on his laptop does a lot on the cloud and can't afford to be away from the net.

He has a mobile data card and this works well for him so there are many ways.

I would personally not do that however.


WinTenApps 18.05.1 hotfix #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 18.05.1 hotfix is now available, resolving a major issue where NVDA may appear to not do anything or play error sounds when you start dictating text (Windows+H) on recent Windows 10 releases. As always, the new stable version (along with updated builds for regular and pilot development snapshots) is just an update check away.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: multilanguage speech one core voices

Rui Fontes
 

In Vocalizer Expressive from Tiflotecnia, the voice language switching is made based in the alphabet...
This is very usefull in situations where the system is in a alphabet non latin, like hebrew, cyrilic and so on and some apps or text ar in english...

There are some people trying to do the same for NVDA itself...

Rui


Às 22:33 de 29/04/2018, Cohn, Jonathan escreveu:

Generally one has to tag the language that is being used and not just switch based on the alphabet being used. In HTML one can define a “lang” attribute for a span or document. So, to have HTML spoken in English the standard process is to include
<span lang=”en”>Some English text</span>
In JAWS it is also possible to define a set of glyphs to be spoken in a non-default language. I don’t know enough about the Dictionary in NVDA to know if that is possible in that screen reader too.
HTH,
Jonathan Cohn
__
*From: *<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of amir din <mrdin8877@...>
*Reply-To: *"nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Date: *Friday, April 27, 2018 at 11:00 PM
*To: *"nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] multilanguage speech one core voices
Hi,
I am using nvda with speech one core voices on win10. I have installed several voices for this speech synthesizer, in different languages. I am using Arabic  as my windows default language, but sometimes I wil encounter English words written in a b c d e, so I want to make the speech synthesizer switch to English voice when it detects a b c d e, and switch back to Arabic voice when it encounters Arabic text?
If it is not available on current nvda, I think it should be added.
Dihantar dari Mel <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> untuk Windows 10


Re: multilanguage speech one core voices

Jonathan COHN
 

Generally one has to tag the language that is being used and not just switch based on the alphabet being used. In HTML one can define a “lang” attribute for a span or document. So, to have HTML spoken in English the standard process is to include

<span lang=”en”>Some English text</span>

 

In JAWS it is also possible to define a set of glyphs to be spoken in a non-default language. I don’t know enough about the Dictionary in NVDA to know if that is possible in that screen reader too.

 

HTH,

 

Jonathan Cohn

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of amir din <mrdin8877@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Friday, April 27, 2018 at 11:00 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] multilanguage speech one core voices

 

Hi,

I am using nvda with speech one core voices on win10. I have installed several voices for this speech synthesizer, in different languages. I am using Arabic  as my windows default language, but sometimes I wil encounter English words written in a b c d e, so I want to make the speech synthesizer switch to English voice when it detects a b c d e, and switch back to Arabic voice when it encounters Arabic text?

 

If it is not available on current nvda, I think it should be added.

 

 

 

 

Dihantar dari Mel untuk Windows 10

 


NVDA Confuguration profiles and heading setting in google sheets

UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu
 

Hello,
I have two questions:
First of all,, for sometime,  I have been realizing that my computer is very slow on swiching between programs for example between word and firefox. Today I realized that it is due to different confuguration profiles I use for those programs. When I deleted them, problem was gon. The problem is that I love the confuguration feature of NVDA. Usually I use different rates of speach and document viewing options for different programs. is there any way to customize NVDA for different programs without problem swiching between them?
Secondly, I have asked about setting headings in google sheets fiew days ago. I guess noone knows about it or didn't see the message so I'm asking it second time: we can sett row and collemn headings in excel with ctr+shift+r or c, can we do the same in google sheets? 
Best regards


Re: what can i do please help

Chris Mullins
 

Paul

Have you tried using the numpad with NVDA input help switched on?  It would be interesting to know what keystrokes it is generating.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 29 April 2018 00:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Those aren't screen review commands.  Those are commands to move and read information on a screen such as in a word processing program where a cursor is present.  Such commands are Windows commands and will work regardless of screen-reader being used and regardless of keyboard layout. If a sighted person uses such commands with no screen-reader being used, the sighted person will move the cursor in the same ways, right and left arrow, by character, control right and left arrow, by word., etc. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suzy

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Hi Paul,

If you are using NVDA with the laptop layout on a Dell computer, you can navigate the screen with the arrow keys. I have never used the FN key with letters to do this. In fact, an NVDA modifier is not necessary.
Left or Right Arrows read the screen letter by letter.
Add Control to the left and right arrow keys and read the screen word by word.
Up or Down arrows read the screen line by line.
FN + Left Arrow is Home.
FN + Right Arrow is End.
FN + Up Arrow is Page Up.
FN + Down Arrow is Page Down.
Add Control to the Home or End commands above to move to the top or the bottom of the screen.
And finally, add Shift to the above commands to select text.

I've used these commands on Asus, Toshiba, Dell, and Lenovo laptops.

Each of these computers differ on how to make the Function Keys work without using the FN key. Look on line or read your manual to learn how to do it.

Hope this helps.
Suzy



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

i've done already, but the problem is that i can not navigate around the screen like i do with the numberic key block on my computer.
all the other things are possible i know there are some laptops where you can press the fn key while typing the letters jkl uio and 789 to manipulate the screen.
but it's a pitty, not here unfortunately!
  cheers paul otter


Op 28-4-2018 om 17:25 schreef George McCoy:
> I wound up with a laptop that did the same kind of thing.  I switched
> NVDA to the laptop keyboard layout and, after a short learning period,
> I was able to do everything I did before.  So you might want to try
> out the laptop layout and see what happens.
>
> Best of luck,
> George
>
> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help
>
> hello all,
> i've a problem with my laptop.
> it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
> it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
> most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
> navigate around the screen with nvda.
> but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
> sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
> what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
> with nvda.
> there is also no numlock key.
>
> i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
> the digits are working correct with numlock off.
> but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
> mouse click and a right mouse click.
> but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.
>
> so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
> is there a way to solve this problem?
> i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
> thanks in advance!
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>








Re: will be using a new email address

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Anthony,

I'll leave both address subscribe for a while to see how things work out.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] will be using a new email address

Most bounce messages saying "undeliverable" also give a reason why the message could not be delivered - this can be anything from "recipient address does not exist" (so there's no way we can deliver it) to "your address is not deliverable" (so if someone can't reply to you, we're not going to deliver your email), or "server is having a problem" (so it might work if you try again later).

Do the bounce messages you're receiving have any further detail to them, which can help to indicate the problem (or, at the very least, whether the problem is at the sender end or the receipient end)?

Oh, and no, there is no need to unsubscribe one address before subscribing from a second one - in fact it can be useful to have both subscribed together for a while, to see whether you receive some messages at one address which do not arrive at the other - indicating a problem with your email provder and not with the list itself.


Antony.

On Sunday 29 April 2018 at 01:37:24, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

I've been having some problems with my gmail account. On some email
lists, I'll try to write a message. Later I get a message back saying
that my message is undeliverable. I created an outlook account today
with the help of the Microsoft disability line. Do I unsub this
address first before going to the new one?

Thanks in advance.


Rosemarie
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Re: will be using a new email address

Antony Stone
 

Most bounce messages saying "undeliverable" also give a reason why the message
could not be delivered - this can be anything from "recipient address does not
exist" (so there's no way we can deliver it) to "your address is not
deliverable" (so if someone can't reply to you, we're not going to deliver
your email), or "server is having a problem" (so it might work if you try
again later).

Do the bounce messages you're receiving have any further detail to them, which
can help to indicate the problem (or, at the very least, whether the problem
is at the sender end or the receipient end)?

Oh, and no, there is no need to unsubscribe one address before subscribing
from a second one - in fact it can be useful to have both subscribed together
for a while, to see whether you receive some messages at one address which do
not arrive at the other - indicating a problem with your email provder and not
with the list itself.


Antony.

On Sunday 29 April 2018 at 01:37:24, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

I've been having some problems with my gmail account. On some email lists,
I'll try to write a message. Later I get a message back saying that my
message is undeliverable. I created an outlook account today with the help
of the Microsoft disability line. Do I unsub this address first before
going to the new one?

Thanks in advance.


Rosemarie
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Re: will be using a new email address

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

I think I will subscribe with my new email address and test it. If it works
reliably, I'll go ahead and unsub this one.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 1:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] will be using a new email address

Hmm, I'd be rather intrigued to know why this happens. Not seen it here I
have to say.
I'd be tempted to subscribe the new one and test it for a while then unsub
the old one if it works in all the lists you have reliably. More and more I
think email is suffering due to attempts to trap spam and phishing emails,
and a lot of the problems we see are companies trying to achieve this end.
They dare not publicise what they are doing as this will give the spammers a
heads up to how to get around it.
As you may be aware, recently some spammers have been forging legitimate
Google headers to get past anti spam measures. In some cases the spam has
come in to a users sent folder, as if they themselves have sent it.
Brian

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in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 1:37 AM
Subject: [nvda] will be using a new email address


Hi, everyone,



I've been having some problems with my gmail account. On some email lists,
I'll try to write a message. Later I get a message back saying that my
message is undeliverable. I created an outlook account today with the help
of the Microsoft disability line. Do I unsub this address first before
going
to the new one?



Thanks in advance.



Rosemarie






Re: creating A portable copy

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I agree, it’s just my workflow, as I don’t like both speaking at once.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 28 April 2018 19:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] creating A portable copy

 

You don't have to close Narrator first.  You can close it after NVDA runs and no problems are caused.  I think it should be allowed to run until NVDA is running in case any unanticipated error messages come up.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 1:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] creating A portable copy

 

Hi,

I tend to always create a portable copy in a folder called nvda.

So if it's my computer, I know what drive it comes up, so I would press the windows key and R to bring up the Run menu and type without the quotes "f:\nvda\nvda.exe".

If it's someone else's computer, then I would load Narrator then plug in my drive.  Then I know what drive it comes up as, and I'd follow the same procedure, closing Narrator first.

By the way, to close Narrator, just press Control+Windows+Enter again from anywhere in Windows 10, it's a toggle.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 13 April 2018 02:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] creating A portable copy

Hi


Probably the easiest way so you get a idea is to use narrator first.

What operating system are you using?


I think in the earlier versions of windows it was the windows key + the enter key to start narrator


In later versions of Windows in 10 i think it was not sure which version
it was the CTRL key + windows key + the enter key.


This would start up your copy of narrator. You would then navigate to
where your drives were.


i would use the Windows key + E to bring up file explorer then go down
to the USB stick then go into the folder of nvda then find the nvda.exe
file then press the enter key. NVDA then would start up then i would use
the alt/tab key to bring up narrator then close it with the alt + f4 key.


After that you would then use NVDA.


If there is a log on screen I have found no way around that. to start nvda.


The other way I have on my usb sticks is labeling the usb stick which
would be labeled qqq then a folder made called nvda and the files went
into that. I like that way 2.


The nvda audio tutorials page can be found at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html

There are different ways of starting nvda from a usb stick there I think
from Xp up to windows 10 which depending how you have it set is if you
jump any extra hoops which might be the same for other operating systems.


You will see what i mean for say windows 10 on how you have it set to
what hoops you might have to jump.



Gene nz

On 4/13/2018 11:40 AM, Casey wrote:
>     Hi okay that is what i did is create A new folder.
>
> And then made the portable copy so then how to you run the portable copy.
>
> So now you first put in your removable drive make the folder called
> nvda on it.
>
> Then close out of that and then go and make your portable copy but
> when you are making it.
>
> You of course select the letter of your removable drive that you want
> it created on and then the folder you want it in.
>
> So once that is done then how do you get that portable to run.
>
> Either on your machine or another machine?
>
> This is my first time really doing this and wanting to make sure I do
> it correctly.
>
>
>
>
> On 4/12/2018 6:25 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
>> Hi Casey
>>
>>
>> When ever i make a portable version of NVDA I always make a folder and
>> usually call it nvda. it will then put all your files into that folder.
>> make sure you do not have other folders or files starting with the
>> letter n as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can have other folders on the USB stick but not with the letter N
>> and or you could put your files into those folders if it is other stuff.
>> Otherwise what could happen also is if it is the only thing  you are
>> putting the files onto it will splatter your files all over the USB
>> stick.
>> It would be rather harder to start your copy of nvda then.
>> There are 58 files or so that nvda uses and if you had extra folders or
>> files you get the idea.
>>
>> I do if you are interested have different ways of starting NVDA from a
>> USB stick on my website which can be found on my nvda audio tutorials
>> page on my website at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
>> The easiest way for new people is to start narrator then find the USB
>> stick with nvda on it if going to a new machine. I do not use narrator
>> as i am pretty use to starting NVDA from a USB stick on a different
>> computer.
>>
>> Gene nz
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/13/2018 11:08 AM, Casey wrote:
>>> Hi I have the drive that I would like to make my portable of NVDA on.
>>>
>>> Now what I would like to know is should I create A folder for the
>>> portable copy and then  make the portable copy?
>>>
>>> And then once I do that how do I run the portable copy after it has
>>> been made?
>>>
>>> Or should I just make it to the root of the drive I want to use for
>>> the portable copy?
>>>
>>> I would like to know the best way to go about this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>









Re: Chrome's interface was: RE: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

Exactly that. I just start typing the name of the bookmark as I saved it,
and it autocompletes.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via
Groups.Io
Sent: 28 April 2018 22:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Chrome's interface was: RE: [nvda] any one on here use f123
chrome extention?

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Are you saying you don't have to open the book marks menu?
Yes. It also seems to search browser history. I use this feature frequently.

In addition, if you have multiple devices, you can synchronize Chrome
bookmarks and browser history across all of them. The same is true of
Firefox.


Re: opening combo boxes

Gene
 

It's a Windows command for combo boxes and it isn't limited to chrome.  Before moving in the combo box, use alt down arrow first.  Then when you get to the item you want, press enter to select it.  In other words, first, press entter as you are doing, then alt down arrow, then move in the combo box as you usually do, then press enter on the item you want.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 5:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] opening combo boxes

Running latest NVDA on Win 10 fall creator and mostly using Google
Chrome as my browser.
Probably not a NVDA problem but a technique problem.
I am coming across some combo boxes on various web sites that if you
press enter on a conbo box and hit the down arrow to open it it is
moving to the first option in the combo box and using that as your
choice and going to that option.  In other words I can not go through
all the options in the combo box to select the one I really want.  Is
there a trick to opening this type of combo box?
Thanks



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