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Re: Win 10 spring update

Ervin, Glenn
 

I have a registry key that provides audio in safe mode, it came out for XP, but it works in 7 as well.
Glenn

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This version has at least made the downloading and when you install updates
different and is seemingly gradually moving away from a control panel to a
settings area instead.
Its also supposed to have sound in safe mode.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 spring update


Nice. According to a ms account I follow the update is not set to role out
until may 10 or wo. This is goign to be exciting.

On Apr 30, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

I am currently downloading the update. Did a check for updates and it
came up.




Re: Win 10 spring update

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I'll watch you folk with interest, he said sitting on his fence.

Brian

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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 spring update


I am also currently downloading the update as well on my Hp laptop. When I checked for updates on my desktop pc, the update does not yet show up under the update and security setting.

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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 11:17 AM
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Subject: [nvda] Win 10 spring update

I am currently downloading the update. Did a check for updates and it came up.


Re: Win 10 spring update

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This version has at least made the downloading and when you install updates different and is seemingly gradually moving away from a control panel to a settings area instead.
Its also supposed to have sound in safe mode.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 spring update


Nice. According to a ms account I follow the update is not set to role out until may 10 or wo. This is goign to be exciting.

On Apr 30, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

I am currently downloading the update. Did a check for updates and it came up.




Re: Win 10 spring update

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Its not called spring any more as somebody pointed out its only spring in the northern hemisphere, so its April 18 update now...:-)

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Subject: [nvda] Win 10 spring update


I am currently downloading the update. Did a check for updates and it came up.



Re: problem with coping nvda settings to the system

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If you have a lot of settings you are normally waned that doing this could pose a security risk, then you ok it and it takes quite a time if there are add ons sometimes.
Of course if and only if, you have an anti virus with paranoia, you can find it blocked.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 4:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with coping nvda settings to the system


After a redue of my windows I noticed a new problem when I went to my general settings in my preferences and I tried to copy the settings it just kept saying please wait. There was no way to allow it. is because my report dinamic content changes was off? It's the setting that says use nvda on the log on screen requires administrater button. When I pressed enter on it and then alt y thats when I got please wait.

Brian Sackrider



Re: An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

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I think i suggested this way back when we used to use Trac, but nobody thought it a good idea.
also not sure why it would make any difference how the property sheets were shown, you would simply go to a different tab by default with the command. I'm assuming that when in the property sheet that controls many others, you would have a short cut put in as part of the text, unless my earlier comment about redefinition was more valid now.
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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard


Hi,

Ideally, a link to the user guide might help from Welcome dialog.

Cheers,

Joseph



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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard



If it is unlikely, is there some way new users should be alerted to look at
the documentation for such commands? Perhaps some sort of information
should be included in the dialog that comes up when the program is run or
maybe there is a different way. I didn't know about such commands for quite
awhile. I learned how to use the menu in the documentation and I didn't
check farther because I had no reason to think there was anything to look
for. I wonder how many people, such as I, who have a lot of experience with
Windows programs assume that no such commands exist because they expect to
see them somehow shown in the interface.



Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard



Hi,

A few years ago there was a huge debate on the development channel regarding
how we can do this. But, as of today, it is highly unlikely that it can be
done due to vast paradigm shift that has just occurred on settings dialogs.

Cheers,

Joseph



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Subject: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard



Every so often, when I look through the NVDA menu, I wonder why accelerator
commands aren't given. these are usually commands such as control and a
character such as a letter or a number. NVDA has lots of these commands,
usually being combinations of control NVDA key and a character such as a
letter or number. The synthesizer dialog, for example, opens with NVDA key
control s. The voice settings dialog opens with control NVDA key v. Why
are none of these commands voiced when moving through the NVDA menu? This
is an important way for those who know enough about Windows basics to know
what they mean to be made aware of such commands or to quickly review them
without the cumbersome need to look in documentation. It also is standard
for menus to voice accelerator commands.



Gene




Re: An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

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Is this not because they can be redefined?
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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 4:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard


Every so often, when I look through the NVDA menu, I wonder why accelerator commands aren't given. these are usually commands such as control and a character such as a letter or a number. NVDA has lots of these commands, usually being combinations of control NVDA key and a character such as a letter or number. The synthesizer dialog, for example, opens with NVDA key control s. The voice settings dialog opens with control NVDA key v. Why are none of these commands voiced when moving through the NVDA menu? This is an important way for those who know enough about Windows basics to know what they mean to be made aware of such commands or to quickly review them without the cumbersome need to look in documentation. It also is standard for menus to voice accelerator commands.

Gene


Re: NVDA Confuguration profiles and heading setting in google sheets

UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu
 

Thank you for reply. I have searched about the google sheets issue but found nothing. If someone knows about the issue or can find a helpfull post. I would be greatful.
About configuration profiles: I know that is very unlogical issue. I haven't seen similar complaints from anyone. However, When I just make a new confuguration profile without any reall change the speed is significantly changes. I don't know why it is the case or how I can solve it.  


Re: Win 10 spring update

Michael Massey <massey52@...>
 

I am also currently downloading the update as well on my Hp laptop. When I checked for updates on my desktop pc, the update does not yet show up under the update and security setting.

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Subject: [nvda] Win 10 spring update

I am currently downloading the update. Did a check for updates and it came up.


Re: what can i do please help

Chris Mullins
 

Paul

With NVDA keyboard layout set to “Desktop” , those are the correct keys for when numlock is off.  You should get the number keys when numlock is on.  How does NVDA input help report those keys when numlock is off?  If you press the numpad Home key for example, NVDA input help should  say “Numpad 7 moves the review cursor to the current navigator object and speaks it”.  If it reports Home, End etc then it would appear that the numeric keypad is not being correctly recognised. 

 

Cheers

Chris

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Sent: 30 April 2018 15:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

unfortunately no!
when nummlock is off, there are changes the 7 is home, the 4 is left arow, 1 is end etc!
no difference if fn key is pressed or not.
i realy don't know what to do now.
on the keyboard the letter k keeps k with fn key pressed or not.
cheers
paul otter

Op 30-4-2018 om 16:23 schreef Ralf Kefferpuetz:

When you are using an external USB numpad you have to switch to desktop keyboard in the NVDA keyboard settings. I assume your numpad will then work as expected when numlock is turned off.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Montag, 30. April 2018 15:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

hello, yes i've already done, that was the first thing i did!
but when i put numlock on, there the arrow keys on 8 2 4 and 6.
i've nothing to do with it.
what i want is the navigation keys for nvda.
most laptops or some laptops are made while you press the fn key you can use the letter keys on the right hand to navigate with nvda.
but not with my dell laptop.
i'm wondering if there is a little tool that when i press the fn key i can use the letters on the right hand.
if so, i'm realy glad with it!
what they toled about the arrow keys will not work to navigate for nvda, with or without the fn key pressed.
cheers
paul otter
 

Op 29-4-2018 om 21:01 schreef Chris Mullins:

Paul

Have you tried using the numpad with NVDA input help switched on?  It would be interesting to know what keystrokes it is generating.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 29 April 2018 00:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Those aren't screen review commands.  Those are commands to move and read information on a screen such as in a word processing program where a cursor is present.  Such commands are Windows commands and will work regardless of screen-reader being used and regardless of keyboard layout. If a sighted person uses such commands with no screen-reader being used, the sighted person will move the cursor in the same ways, right and left arrow, by character, control right and left arrow, by word., etc. 

 

Gene

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From: Suzy

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Hi Paul,

If you are using NVDA with the laptop layout on a Dell computer, you can navigate the screen with the arrow keys. I have never used the FN key with letters to do this. In fact, an NVDA modifier is not necessary.
Left or Right Arrows read the screen letter by letter.
Add Control to the left and right arrow keys and read the screen word by word.
Up or Down arrows read the screen line by line.
FN + Left Arrow is Home.
FN + Right Arrow is End.
FN + Up Arrow is Page Up.
FN + Down Arrow is Page Down.
Add Control to the Home or End commands above to move to the top or the bottom of the screen.
And finally, add Shift to the above commands to select text.

I've used these commands on Asus, Toshiba, Dell, and Lenovo laptops.

Each of these computers differ on how to make the Function Keys work without using the FN key. Look on line or read your manual to learn how to do it.

Hope this helps.
Suzy



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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

i've done already, but the problem is that i can not navigate around the screen like i do with the numberic key block on my computer.
all the other things are possible i know there are some laptops where you can press the fn key while typing the letters jkl uio and 789 to manipulate the screen.
but it's a pitty, not here unfortunately!
  cheers paul otter


Op 28-4-2018 om 17:25 schreef George McCoy:
> I wound up with a laptop that did the same kind of thing.  I switched
> NVDA to the laptop keyboard layout and, after a short learning period,
> I was able to do everything I did before.  So you might want to try
> out the laptop layout and see what happens.
>
> Best of luck,
> George
>
> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help
>
> hello all,
> i've a problem with my laptop.
> it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
> it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
> most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
> navigate around the screen with nvda.
> but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
> sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
> what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
> with nvda.
> there is also no numlock key.
>
> i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
> the digits are working correct with numlock off.
> but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
> mouse click and a right mouse click.
> but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.
>
> so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
> is there a way to solve this problem?
> i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
> thanks in advance!
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>









 

 


Re: Win 10 spring update

Sarah k Alawami
 

Nice. According to a ms account I follow the update is not set to role out until may 10 or wo. This is goign to be exciting.

On Apr 30, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

I am currently downloading the update. Did a check for updates and it came up.




Re: Chrome's interface was: RE: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

Ervin, Glenn
 

A lot of times there are so many bookmarks, from so long back, that one does not even know what to start typing to bring up a URL.

I access my bookmarks often.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Chrome's interface was: RE: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

 

You hardly need bookmarks nowadays.  Just start typing in the search bar the name of your bookmark and then arrow down.  It’s much quicker than using bookmarks in any browser.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 15 April 2018 01:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Chrome's interface was: RE: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

 

I don't like the way book marks are laid out and I tried using the book marks search feature but, at least in the version I tried it with, the feature appeared to be inaccessible.  I also don't like the lack of short cut and accellerator keys for some items in menus.  It's been years since Chrome has been around and the google accessibility developers still haven't implemented a short cut or accelerator command for book marks, at least as far as I know.  I haven't followed Chrome much for awhile.

 

In addition, though I don't use history much, I still don't want it displayed as a web page when I do use it. 

 

I regularly use the book marks search feature in firefox and I find it so useful that I never organize book marks any longer.  If a book mark isn't conveniently available where it is, I use the search feature. 

 

As far as settings are concerned, I'm not sure if I have an opinion about which I prefer, the firefox layout or the Chrome web page layout.  But for me, history and book marks are important enough that I use firefox.

 

Gene

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Subject: Chrome's interface was: RE: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

 

Gene,

 

This poses an interesting debate. I’ve also changed the subject line to better reflect.

 

You say you don’t like the Chrome interface. To be very clear/honest, neither did I at first, but the more I’ve been using Chrome, the more I’m growing to swear by it!

 

I’m just curious what exactly you don’t care for. Is it the fact that things are now mainly laid out in web views instead of multi tab dialogs? If so, that through me for a bit of a loop as well at first until I got used to it, so yeah. That would be a fair statement if so.

 

Chris.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 7:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

 

thank you for that explanation

Hank

On 4/14/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Whatever else may have used that or a similar name, F123 is an add on for both Firefox and Chrome.  I haven't used it.  I suspect that oddities encountered are the result of the add on but, without testing, that's just my suspicion.  I don't like the Chrome interface but in terms of working with web pages, I've found browse mode to work just about the same as in firefox and Internet Explorer.  Occasionally, there will be a difference, such as one screen-reader reading different text on a control because it's looking at different text in the control, but in general, I find that browse mode is browse mode. 

 

You can turn the add on offf in Chrome and still leave it installed.  It's been a long time since I've played with this, but if you want to experiment and if someone else doesn't give the procedure, I can look again.

 

Gene

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Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 6:26 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

 

First, it may help if instead of just saying "weird quirks" if you can tell us what specifically those things are, so we can have a better feel for how to assist.

Second, did I perhaps miss something here? I thought F123 was a really old, and all be it also, very dead last I looked, distro of Linux that was made specifically for the blind. And before anyone gets OT asking me, no, I don't know if the packages included with it would be up to date, nor how far a sudo apt[get update would take you. I don't even know if apt is included. It might use either yum, or pacman. Anyway, that's not for this list though, so I digress. Point is, it's pretty old, but as far as a Chrome extension with that name, I'm curious what this thing does.

Chris.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; blindtech@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

Hello does any one use this chrome add on?
I am noticing some weird quirks and I can't tell if it is chrome or the add on.
thanks
Hank
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Re: what can i do please help

Ervin, Glenn
 

There may be a setting in NVDA to turn the numlock state to off when it starts.
You may want to not unplug the external numpad so NVDA might set this to off when it starts up.
It should not work the way you want when you turn the numpad on, as then it is doing what it is supposed to do, be a number pad.
Glenn

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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

hello, i wrote already, i have connected a numberic keypad on the usb.
when i press numlock off, the digits are perfectly written.
when i press numlock on, the only thing i can do is left and right mouse
click, and that's it.
the numberic keys i cann't use for navigation around the screen.
perhaps i have bought the wrong one.
if that is the case, tell me what keypad i need if you know.
because it is a very nice and quick laptop i want to do anything to get
it work with nvda.
thanks in advance
paul otter


Op 28-4-2018 om 10:28 schreef Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io:
Use the laptop layout or buy a numeric keypad?
Have we not had this issue before. its precisely why if I get a new
laptop not only do I want the function keys to be defaulted to
function keys, but I want a keypad as well.
I have an old dell without one and got so  peed off I eventually
plugged in a keyboard.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 8:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help


hello all,
i've a problem with my laptop.
it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
navigate around the screen with nvda.
but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
with nvda.
there is also no numlock key.

i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
the digits are working correct with numlock off.
but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
mouse click and a right mouse click.
but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.

so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
is there a way to solve this problem?
i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
thanks in advance!
paul otter







Re: Screen Curtain Feature

Ervin, Glenn
 

All of the laptops I have use one of the function keys along with the FN key to turn off the monitor.
I suppose if you could only brighten/dim the monitor, one could dim it all the way down so it is too hard for anyone to see.
Glenn

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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 3:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain Feature

I think those who ask for this are talking laptops really and that is the
problem mentioned. you really would like to turn off the monitor completely
in software to emulate what we do on a desktop with a button or not even
connect one.
That is not possible.
Maybe its something that can be designed into hardware, but I'd not expect
mainstream companies to do this unless its as a power saving feature when
streaming audio.
Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain Feature


Well you don't need a screen to have a screen reader.

You need a graphics chip to have a screen reader but weather you need to
have it connected to anything is another thing.

You do need a sound card and a graphics chip else all those desktops I
service I would have toh ave a screen.

Its true if you have to deal with the mouse or graphical software that
doesn't play nice with your graphics to translation text viewing reading
software, then sure.

But you don't need a screen as such.




On 4/28/2018 7:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
No this has been debated before. I think this will rely on Windows
offering such a mode as without the screen how can you have a
screenreader. Its all down to where the curtain is inserted and Windows
now is so locked down that trying to cludge something in from outside is
not really a good thing to try!
I'm sure somebody here might know where this discussion is, as I can
remember it but did not bother as I just don't use a monitor!
Brian

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From: Greg Rhodes
To: NVDA Users Group
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 4:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] Screen Curtain Feature


Is there a keyboard shortcut with NVDA to invoke a screen curtain
(blank screen while you are working – for privacy purposes)? Narrator has
a shortcut – Capslock/Shift/F12. I heard yesterday that JAWS has a
similar command – Insert/Spacebar, then PrintScreen. Neither of these
work when I’m using NVDA. Anyone know of a NVDA screen curtain shortcut.
Con’t really want to do it by turning brightness to zero. Thanks.





Win 10 spring update

Don H
 

I am currently downloading the update. Did a check for updates and it came up.


Re: Check Disk

Ervin, Glenn
 

I leave my drives on 24/7 and have never had one fail.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk

 

I've never seen any other complaint of this kind, that I recall,  about sleep.  Unless I get evidence that this is any more than arare aberation, I shall consider it such and I shall maintain that people should not be dissuaded from trying sleep when they are ggoing to move their computers in situations such as I shall discuss below. 

 

This is if the computers have mechanical hard drives.  In the case of Windows 10, if fast boot is being used, I don't know if there is any difference that matters between sleep and shutting down and rebooting. 

 

If I'm a student, for example, and I'm moving from one class to another, sleep makes much more sense to use than doing a full shut down and then rebooting.  It may not matter to any extent if you have a digital hard drive because they are so much faster and a full boot up is so much faster.  But with a mechanical drive, shutting down makes no sense. 

 

As far as factors effecting how long hard drives last, here is a summary of some factors, according to the Google study, which was done a number of years ago.  It was the largest study done to that time.  It may still be the largest. 

 

https://www.comparitech.com/blog/cloud-online-backup/how-long-do-hard-drives-last/
Conventional wisdom would have you believe hard drives that get hot will generally fail faster than those that don’t. Some studies conclude as much, but the largest study on the subject matter to date performed by Google suggests otherwise. You might also assume that hard drives which are used more fail quicker than those used less. Not so, says Google:
“Contrary to previously reported results, we found very little correlation between failure rates and either elevated temperature or activity levels.”
Google measured activity (also referred to as “utilization”) levels by analyzing the total time spent reading or writing data on the drive over a period of time. Drives that were utilized more failed significantly more in the first three months, but then failure rates dropped off in the subsequent months and years. The failure rates remain even and even less than the less-used drives until year five, when drives with higher utilization levels start failing more often again. Google attributes this to what it calls the “survival of the fittest theory,” in which the causes of failure that are associated with higher utilization are more prominent early and late in a drive’s lifetime. In short, utilization might not be causing hard drive failure, it just makes the actual causes of failure surface more quickly.

 

Gene

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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk

 

I tend to shut mine down completely as this lets it cool down as well.

I've seen sleep mode get interrupted before now for reasons best known to
itself. With a ssd you might as well shut it as there is little speed of
booting overhead one way or the other.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk


The question is how to run Check Disk from the command prompt.  The drive is
working.

When you run check disk from the command prompt, if you simply want a
report, then just type chkdsk.  The default is read, no errors are
corrected.  Just type chkdsk and press enter and the procedure will start.

At the end, to review the summary, move aroung the screen using review
commands like numpad 7 8 9.  You should be able to move when you are in
object review, I don't think you can when you are in screen review.

and keep in mind that you are just checking the file system the way you are
running check disk.  You aren't checking disk segments, if that is the
correct word, for physical integrity.  To do that, you need to do a thorough
Check Disk and I don't know if you can do that as a read only option.

If you are using a desktop, and it doesn't get moved when it is running, you
would seldom have to check for physical integrity.  If it's a laptop, and
you move it when it's running or it gets some sort of jolts while it is
running, then you should check for physical integrity more often.  I'm not
talking about digital drives, I'm talking about mechanical drives.

I always put my laptop into sleep mode before moving it.
Gene
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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 4:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk


Unless its changed the whole thing defaults to read only  just like the disc
check in the tools section of the properties does, as you are still in
effect in windows.
 I have to say that you really do need it to run at start up to get it to
repair stuff whatever you do unless you are checking a drive with no links
to windows on it, say the D: drive at which time it normally unmounts and
remounts afterwards as far as I can see.

Or did I misunderstand the issue? If you suspect problems with any drive.
your first port of call needs to be check all cables and plugs to and from
psu and drive to motherboard before you run any repair on the drive  as it
will only make things worse otherwise.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk


Okay, can you give me a bit more on what I can expect when I do it with
NVDA? I go to cmd, do chkdsk /r, and then what will happen?
> On Apr 25, 2018, at 8:59 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> chkdsk will read the disk in read only mode.
>
> I usually run this to see if there are any errors.
>
> Note on all drives even ssds the main tables are always out of sync.
>
> Don't worry about mft mismatch or mft bitmap space errors per say unless
> they are followed or preceeded with usn journal, lost files, and missing
> chain errors.
>
> For whatever reason at least on the os drives windows seems to run things
> slightly out of sync.
>
> Ofcause this only shows on command line point.
>
> Since a chkdsk /x /f and or /r requires the system to be in access only
> mode there is usually no speech during that time.
>
> Any results can be reviewed in eventlog or chkdsk.log  if you use the /log
> switch then c:\chkdsk.log and then its ok I think.
>
>
>
>
>> On 4/26/2018 12:51 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
>> Does anybody know if there is a safe way to run Chkdsk from the command
>> prompt with NVDA? I'd like to do it but don't want to get stuck not being
>> able to read the data if NVDA doesn't come back on during the recovery
>> phase.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>








Re: Hiding columns in a data grid #addonrelease

Adriani Botez
 

There is a tool made by Babbage called Babbage table browser.

 

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbabbage.com%2F

 

With that tool you can hide columns and do much more.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Deborah Armstrong
Gesendet: Montag, 30. April 2018 18:28
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Hiding columns in a data grid #addonrelease #addonrelease

 

I have an in-house application that uses data grids, somewhat like Microsoft Access. I can move around the grid with the arrow keys, going between both fields and records.
To hide columns, one must drag a column outside of the grid. Is there a way to do this with NVDA?
I know how to use object nav and how to move the mouse and click on the navigator object.  But I'm not sure how to actually pull a column to a blank area away from the grid. And I have to do it with the left mouse button locked. Ideas?


Hiding columns in a data grid #addonrelease

Deborah Armstrong <debee@...>
 

I have an in-house application that uses data grids, somewhat like Microsoft Access. I can move around the grid with the arrow keys, going between both fields and records.
To hide columns, one must drag a column outside of the grid. Is there a way to do this with NVDA?
I know how to use object nav and how to move the mouse and click on the navigator object.  But I'm not sure how to actually pull a column to a blank area away from the grid. And I have to do it with the left mouse button locked. Ideas?


problem with coping nvda settings to the system

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

After a redue of my windows I noticed a new problem when I went to my general settings in my preferences and I tried to copy the settings it just kept saying please wait.  There was no way to allow it.  is because my report dinamic content changes was off? It's the setting that says use nvda on the log on screen requires administrater button.  When I pressed enter on it and then alt y thats when I got please wait.

Brian Sackrider


Re: Command line window output not being spoken

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

Yes I have always had this problem with nvda if I try to do a ping in the comand prompt my nvda will not speak after the numbers are spoken I will have to press the control alt n to restart my nvda.

Brian Sackrider

On 4/28/2018 7:09 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hi all,


I work in command line window (also known as terminal, prompt, etc) a lot and today my NVDA stopped speaking the output of my commands. Review cursor still works - I can press numpad 7, numpad 9 to read all the lines displayed. But when my program prints something, NVDA doesn't speak this automatically any longer. This just happened today - I suspect my Windows installed an update which broke some compatibility feature.


Is anyone else experiencing this issue? Are there any known workarounds for this?


Thanks

Tony