Date   

Win 10 spring update

Don H
 

I am currently downloading the update. Did a check for updates and it came up.


Re: Check Disk

Ervin, Glenn
 

I leave my drives on 24/7 and have never had one fail.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk

 

I've never seen any other complaint of this kind, that I recall,  about sleep.  Unless I get evidence that this is any more than arare aberation, I shall consider it such and I shall maintain that people should not be dissuaded from trying sleep when they are ggoing to move their computers in situations such as I shall discuss below. 

 

This is if the computers have mechanical hard drives.  In the case of Windows 10, if fast boot is being used, I don't know if there is any difference that matters between sleep and shutting down and rebooting. 

 

If I'm a student, for example, and I'm moving from one class to another, sleep makes much more sense to use than doing a full shut down and then rebooting.  It may not matter to any extent if you have a digital hard drive because they are so much faster and a full boot up is so much faster.  But with a mechanical drive, shutting down makes no sense. 

 

As far as factors effecting how long hard drives last, here is a summary of some factors, according to the Google study, which was done a number of years ago.  It was the largest study done to that time.  It may still be the largest. 

 

https://www.comparitech.com/blog/cloud-online-backup/how-long-do-hard-drives-last/
Conventional wisdom would have you believe hard drives that get hot will generally fail faster than those that don’t. Some studies conclude as much, but the largest study on the subject matter to date performed by Google suggests otherwise. You might also assume that hard drives which are used more fail quicker than those used less. Not so, says Google:
“Contrary to previously reported results, we found very little correlation between failure rates and either elevated temperature or activity levels.”
Google measured activity (also referred to as “utilization”) levels by analyzing the total time spent reading or writing data on the drive over a period of time. Drives that were utilized more failed significantly more in the first three months, but then failure rates dropped off in the subsequent months and years. The failure rates remain even and even less than the less-used drives until year five, when drives with higher utilization levels start failing more often again. Google attributes this to what it calls the “survival of the fittest theory,” in which the causes of failure that are associated with higher utilization are more prominent early and late in a drive’s lifetime. In short, utilization might not be causing hard drive failure, it just makes the actual causes of failure surface more quickly.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk

 

I tend to shut mine down completely as this lets it cool down as well.

I've seen sleep mode get interrupted before now for reasons best known to
itself. With a ssd you might as well shut it as there is little speed of
booting overhead one way or the other.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk


The question is how to run Check Disk from the command prompt.  The drive is
working.

When you run check disk from the command prompt, if you simply want a
report, then just type chkdsk.  The default is read, no errors are
corrected.  Just type chkdsk and press enter and the procedure will start.

At the end, to review the summary, move aroung the screen using review
commands like numpad 7 8 9.  You should be able to move when you are in
object review, I don't think you can when you are in screen review.

and keep in mind that you are just checking the file system the way you are
running check disk.  You aren't checking disk segments, if that is the
correct word, for physical integrity.  To do that, you need to do a thorough
Check Disk and I don't know if you can do that as a read only option.

If you are using a desktop, and it doesn't get moved when it is running, you
would seldom have to check for physical integrity.  If it's a laptop, and
you move it when it's running or it gets some sort of jolts while it is
running, then you should check for physical integrity more often.  I'm not
talking about digital drives, I'm talking about mechanical drives.

I always put my laptop into sleep mode before moving it.
Gene
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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 4:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk


Unless its changed the whole thing defaults to read only  just like the disc
check in the tools section of the properties does, as you are still in
effect in windows.
 I have to say that you really do need it to run at start up to get it to
repair stuff whatever you do unless you are checking a drive with no links
to windows on it, say the D: drive at which time it normally unmounts and
remounts afterwards as far as I can see.

Or did I misunderstand the issue? If you suspect problems with any drive.
your first port of call needs to be check all cables and plugs to and from
psu and drive to motherboard before you run any repair on the drive  as it
will only make things worse otherwise.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk


Okay, can you give me a bit more on what I can expect when I do it with
NVDA? I go to cmd, do chkdsk /r, and then what will happen?
> On Apr 25, 2018, at 8:59 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> chkdsk will read the disk in read only mode.
>
> I usually run this to see if there are any errors.
>
> Note on all drives even ssds the main tables are always out of sync.
>
> Don't worry about mft mismatch or mft bitmap space errors per say unless
> they are followed or preceeded with usn journal, lost files, and missing
> chain errors.
>
> For whatever reason at least on the os drives windows seems to run things
> slightly out of sync.
>
> Ofcause this only shows on command line point.
>
> Since a chkdsk /x /f and or /r requires the system to be in access only
> mode there is usually no speech during that time.
>
> Any results can be reviewed in eventlog or chkdsk.log  if you use the /log
> switch then c:\chkdsk.log and then its ok I think.
>
>
>
>
>> On 4/26/2018 12:51 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
>> Does anybody know if there is a safe way to run Chkdsk from the command
>> prompt with NVDA? I'd like to do it but don't want to get stuck not being
>> able to read the data if NVDA doesn't come back on during the recovery
>> phase.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>








Re: Hiding columns in a data grid #addonrelease

Adriani Botez
 

There is a tool made by Babbage called Babbage table browser.

 

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbabbage.com%2F

 

With that tool you can hide columns and do much more.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Deborah Armstrong
Gesendet: Montag, 30. April 2018 18:28
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Hiding columns in a data grid #addonrelease #addonrelease

 

I have an in-house application that uses data grids, somewhat like Microsoft Access. I can move around the grid with the arrow keys, going between both fields and records.
To hide columns, one must drag a column outside of the grid. Is there a way to do this with NVDA?
I know how to use object nav and how to move the mouse and click on the navigator object.  But I'm not sure how to actually pull a column to a blank area away from the grid. And I have to do it with the left mouse button locked. Ideas?


Hiding columns in a data grid #addonrelease

Deborah Armstrong <debee@...>
 

I have an in-house application that uses data grids, somewhat like Microsoft Access. I can move around the grid with the arrow keys, going between both fields and records.
To hide columns, one must drag a column outside of the grid. Is there a way to do this with NVDA?
I know how to use object nav and how to move the mouse and click on the navigator object.  But I'm not sure how to actually pull a column to a blank area away from the grid. And I have to do it with the left mouse button locked. Ideas?


problem with coping nvda settings to the system

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

After a redue of my windows I noticed a new problem when I went to my general settings in my preferences and I tried to copy the settings it just kept saying please wait.  There was no way to allow it.  is because my report dinamic content changes was off? It's the setting that says use nvda on the log on screen requires administrater button.  When I pressed enter on it and then alt y thats when I got please wait.

Brian Sackrider


Re: Command line window output not being spoken

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

Yes I have always had this problem with nvda if I try to do a ping in the comand prompt my nvda will not speak after the numbers are spoken I will have to press the control alt n to restart my nvda.

Brian Sackrider

On 4/28/2018 7:09 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hi all,


I work in command line window (also known as terminal, prompt, etc) a lot and today my NVDA stopped speaking the output of my commands. Review cursor still works - I can press numpad 7, numpad 9 to read all the lines displayed. But when my program prints something, NVDA doesn't speak this automatically any longer. This just happened today - I suspect my Windows installed an update which broke some compatibility feature.


Is anyone else experiencing this issue? Are there any known workarounds for this?


Thanks

Tony




Re: An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

 

Hi,

Ideally, a link to the user guide might help from Welcome dialog.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

 

If it is unlikely, is there some way new users should be alerted to look at the documentation for such commands?  Perhaps some sort of information should be included in the dialog that comes up when the program is run or maybe there is a different way.  I didn't know about such commands for quite awhile.  I learned how to use the menu in the documentation and I didn't check farther because I had no reason to think there was anything to look for.  I wonder how many people, such as I, who have a lot of experience with Windows programs assume that no such commands exist because they expect to see them somehow shown in the interface.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 10:25 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

 

Hi,

A few years ago there was a huge debate on the development channel regarding how we can do this. But, as of today, it is highly unlikely that it can be done due to vast paradigm shift that has just occurred on settings dialogs.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

 

Every so often, when I look through the NVDA menu, I wonder why accelerator commands aren't given.  these are usually commands such as control and a character such as a letter or a number.  NVDA has lots of these commands, usually being combinations of control NVDA key and a character such as a letter or number.  The synthesizer dialog, for example, opens with NVDA key control s.  The voice settings dialog opens with control NVDA key v.  Why are none of these commands voiced when moving through the NVDA menu?  This is an important way for those who know enough about Windows basics to know what they mean to be made aware of such commands or to quickly review them without the cumbersome need to look in documentation.  It also is standard for menus to voice accelerator commands. 

 

Gene


Re: An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

Gene
 

If it is unlikely, is there some way new users should be alerted to look at the documentation for such commands?  Perhaps some sort of information should be included in the dialog that comes up when the program is run or maybe there is a different way.  I didn't know about such commands for quite awhile.  I learned how to use the menu in the documentation and I didn't check farther because I had no reason to think there was anything to look for.  I wonder how many people, such as I, who have a lot of experience with Windows programs assume that no such commands exist because they expect to see them somehow shown in the interface.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

Hi,

A few years ago there was a huge debate on the development channel regarding how we can do this. But, as of today, it is highly unlikely that it can be done due to vast paradigm shift that has just occurred on settings dialogs.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

 

Every so often, when I look through the NVDA menu, I wonder why accelerator commands aren't given.  these are usually commands such as control and a character such as a letter or a number.  NVDA has lots of these commands, usually being combinations of control NVDA key and a character such as a letter or number.  The synthesizer dialog, for example, opens with NVDA key control s.  The voice settings dialog opens with control NVDA key v.  Why are none of these commands voiced when moving through the NVDA menu?  This is an important way for those who know enough about Windows basics to know what they mean to be made aware of such commands or to quickly review them without the cumbersome need to look in documentation.  It also is standard for menus to voice accelerator commands. 

 

Gene


Re: An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

 

Hi,

A few years ago there was a huge debate on the development channel regarding how we can do this. But, as of today, it is highly unlikely that it can be done due to vast paradigm shift that has just occurred on settings dialogs.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

 

Every so often, when I look through the NVDA menu, I wonder why accelerator commands aren't given.  these are usually commands such as control and a character such as a letter or a number.  NVDA has lots of these commands, usually being combinations of control NVDA key and a character such as a letter or number.  The synthesizer dialog, for example, opens with NVDA key control s.  The voice settings dialog opens with control NVDA key v.  Why are none of these commands voiced when moving through the NVDA menu?  This is an important way for those who know enough about Windows basics to know what they mean to be made aware of such commands or to quickly review them without the cumbersome need to look in documentation.  It also is standard for menus to voice accelerator commands. 

 

Gene


An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

Gene
 

Every so often, when I look through the NVDA menu, I wonder why accelerator commands aren't given.  these are usually commands such as control and a character such as a letter or a number.  NVDA has lots of these commands, usually being combinations of control NVDA key and a character such as a letter or number.  The synthesizer dialog, for example, opens with NVDA key control s.  The voice settings dialog opens with control NVDA key v.  Why are none of these commands voiced when moving through the NVDA menu?  This is an important way for those who know enough about Windows basics to know what they mean to be made aware of such commands or to quickly review them without the cumbersome need to look in documentation.  It also is standard for menus to voice accelerator commands. 
 
Gene


Re: what can i do please help

P. Otter
 

unfortunately no!
when nummlock is off, there are changes the 7 is home, the 4 is left arow, 1 is end etc!
no difference if fn key is pressed or not.
i realy don't know what to do now.
on the keyboard the letter k keeps k with fn key pressed or not.
cheers
paul otter


Op 30-4-2018 om 16:23 schreef Ralf Kefferpuetz:

When you are using an external USB numpad you have to switch to desktop keyboard in the NVDA keyboard settings. I assume your numpad will then work as expected when numlock is turned off.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Montag, 30. April 2018 15:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

hello, yes i've already done, that was the first thing i did!
but when i put numlock on, there the arrow keys on 8 2 4 and 6.
i've nothing to do with it.
what i want is the navigation keys for nvda.
most laptops or some laptops are made while you press the fn key you can use the letter keys on the right hand to navigate with nvda.
but not with my dell laptop.
i'm wondering if there is a little tool that when i press the fn key i can use the letters on the right hand.
if so, i'm realy glad with it!
what they toled about the arrow keys will not work to navigate for nvda, with or without the fn key pressed.
cheers
paul otter
 

Op 29-4-2018 om 21:01 schreef Chris Mullins:

Paul

Have you tried using the numpad with NVDA input help switched on?  It would be interesting to know what keystrokes it is generating.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 29 April 2018 00:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Those aren't screen review commands.  Those are commands to move and read information on a screen such as in a word processing program where a cursor is present.  Such commands are Windows commands and will work regardless of screen-reader being used and regardless of keyboard layout. If a sighted person uses such commands with no screen-reader being used, the sighted person will move the cursor in the same ways, right and left arrow, by character, control right and left arrow, by word., etc. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suzy

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Hi Paul,

If you are using NVDA with the laptop layout on a Dell computer, you can navigate the screen with the arrow keys. I have never used the FN key with letters to do this. In fact, an NVDA modifier is not necessary.
Left or Right Arrows read the screen letter by letter.
Add Control to the left and right arrow keys and read the screen word by word.
Up or Down arrows read the screen line by line.
FN + Left Arrow is Home.
FN + Right Arrow is End.
FN + Up Arrow is Page Up.
FN + Down Arrow is Page Down.
Add Control to the Home or End commands above to move to the top or the bottom of the screen.
And finally, add Shift to the above commands to select text.

I've used these commands on Asus, Toshiba, Dell, and Lenovo laptops.

Each of these computers differ on how to make the Function Keys work without using the FN key. Look on line or read your manual to learn how to do it.

Hope this helps.
Suzy



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

i've done already, but the problem is that i can not navigate around the screen like i do with the numberic key block on my computer.
all the other things are possible i know there are some laptops where you can press the fn key while typing the letters jkl uio and 789 to manipulate the screen.
but it's a pitty, not here unfortunately!
  cheers paul otter


Op 28-4-2018 om 17:25 schreef George McCoy:
> I wound up with a laptop that did the same kind of thing.  I switched
> NVDA to the laptop keyboard layout and, after a short learning period,
> I was able to do everything I did before.  So you might want to try
> out the laptop layout and see what happens.
>
> Best of luck,
> George
>
> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help
>
> hello all,
> i've a problem with my laptop.
> it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
> it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
> most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
> navigate around the screen with nvda.
> but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
> sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
> what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
> with nvda.
> there is also no numlock key.
>
> i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
> the digits are working correct with numlock off.
> but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
> mouse click and a right mouse click.
> but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.
>
> so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
> is there a way to solve this problem?
> i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
> thanks in advance!
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>








 



Re: what can i do please help

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

When you are using an external USB numpad you have to switch to desktop keyboard in the NVDA keyboard settings. I assume your numpad will then work as expected when numlock is turned off.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Montag, 30. April 2018 15:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

hello, yes i've already done, that was the first thing i did!
but when i put numlock on, there the arrow keys on 8 2 4 and 6.
i've nothing to do with it.
what i want is the navigation keys for nvda.
most laptops or some laptops are made while you press the fn key you can use the letter keys on the right hand to navigate with nvda.
but not with my dell laptop.
i'm wondering if there is a little tool that when i press the fn key i can use the letters on the right hand.
if so, i'm realy glad with it!
what they toled about the arrow keys will not work to navigate for nvda, with or without the fn key pressed.
cheers
paul otter
 

Op 29-4-2018 om 21:01 schreef Chris Mullins:

Paul

Have you tried using the numpad with NVDA input help switched on?  It would be interesting to know what keystrokes it is generating.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 29 April 2018 00:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Those aren't screen review commands.  Those are commands to move and read information on a screen such as in a word processing program where a cursor is present.  Such commands are Windows commands and will work regardless of screen-reader being used and regardless of keyboard layout. If a sighted person uses such commands with no screen-reader being used, the sighted person will move the cursor in the same ways, right and left arrow, by character, control right and left arrow, by word., etc. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suzy

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Hi Paul,

If you are using NVDA with the laptop layout on a Dell computer, you can navigate the screen with the arrow keys. I have never used the FN key with letters to do this. In fact, an NVDA modifier is not necessary.
Left or Right Arrows read the screen letter by letter.
Add Control to the left and right arrow keys and read the screen word by word.
Up or Down arrows read the screen line by line.
FN + Left Arrow is Home.
FN + Right Arrow is End.
FN + Up Arrow is Page Up.
FN + Down Arrow is Page Down.
Add Control to the Home or End commands above to move to the top or the bottom of the screen.
And finally, add Shift to the above commands to select text.

I've used these commands on Asus, Toshiba, Dell, and Lenovo laptops.

Each of these computers differ on how to make the Function Keys work without using the FN key. Look on line or read your manual to learn how to do it.

Hope this helps.
Suzy



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

i've done already, but the problem is that i can not navigate around the screen like i do with the numberic key block on my computer.
all the other things are possible i know there are some laptops where you can press the fn key while typing the letters jkl uio and 789 to manipulate the screen.
but it's a pitty, not here unfortunately!
  cheers paul otter


Op 28-4-2018 om 17:25 schreef George McCoy:
> I wound up with a laptop that did the same kind of thing.  I switched
> NVDA to the laptop keyboard layout and, after a short learning period,
> I was able to do everything I did before.  So you might want to try
> out the laptop layout and see what happens.
>
> Best of luck,
> George
>
> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help
>
> hello all,
> i've a problem with my laptop.
> it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
> it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
> most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
> navigate around the screen with nvda.
> but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
> sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
> what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
> with nvda.
> there is also no numlock key.
>
> i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
> the digits are working correct with numlock off.
> but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
> mouse click and a right mouse click.
> but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.
>
> so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
> is there a way to solve this problem?
> i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
> thanks in advance!
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>








 


Re: what can i do please help

Gene
 

What you are describing, if that is what is happening, makes no sense.  When the nunlock is on, you should hear numbers.  When it's not, the keys do other things.  I think it would be a very good idea to try another numpad to see if the problem is the numpad or how your computer works with the numpad. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: P. Otter
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

hello, yes i've already done, that was the first thing i did!
but when i put numlock on, there the arrow keys on 8 2 4 and 6.
i've nothing to do with it.
what i want is the navigation keys for nvda.
most laptops or some laptops are made while you press the fn key you can use the letter keys on the right hand to navigate with nvda.
but not with my dell laptop.
i'm wondering if there is a little tool that when i press the fn key i can use the letters on the right hand.
if so, i'm realy glad with it!
what they toled about the arrow keys will not work to navigate for nvda, with or without the fn key pressed.
cheers
paul otter
 

Op 29-4-2018 om 21:01 schreef Chris Mullins:

Paul

Have you tried using the numpad with NVDA input help switched on?  It would be interesting to know what keystrokes it is generating.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 29 April 2018 00:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Those aren't screen review commands.  Those are commands to move and read information on a screen such as in a word processing program where a cursor is present.  Such commands are Windows commands and will work regardless of screen-reader being used and regardless of keyboard layout. If a sighted person uses such commands with no screen-reader being used, the sighted person will move the cursor in the same ways, right and left arrow, by character, control right and left arrow, by word., etc. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suzy

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Hi Paul,

If you are using NVDA with the laptop layout on a Dell computer, you can navigate the screen with the arrow keys. I have never used the FN key with letters to do this. In fact, an NVDA modifier is not necessary.
Left or Right Arrows read the screen letter by letter.
Add Control to the left and right arrow keys and read the screen word by word.
Up or Down arrows read the screen line by line.
FN + Left Arrow is Home.
FN + Right Arrow is End.
FN + Up Arrow is Page Up.
FN + Down Arrow is Page Down.
Add Control to the Home or End commands above to move to the top or the bottom of the screen.
And finally, add Shift to the above commands to select text.

I've used these commands on Asus, Toshiba, Dell, and Lenovo laptops.

Each of these computers differ on how to make the Function Keys work without using the FN key. Look on line or read your manual to learn how to do it.

Hope this helps.
Suzy



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

i've done already, but the problem is that i can not navigate around the screen like i do with the numberic key block on my computer.
all the other things are possible i know there are some laptops where you can press the fn key while typing the letters jkl uio and 789 to manipulate the screen.
but it's a pitty, not here unfortunately!
  cheers paul otter


Op 28-4-2018 om 17:25 schreef George McCoy:
> I wound up with a laptop that did the same kind of thing.  I switched
> NVDA to the laptop keyboard layout and, after a short learning period,
> I was able to do everything I did before.  So you might want to try
> out the laptop layout and see what happens.
>
> Best of luck,
> George
>
> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help
>
> hello all,
> i've a problem with my laptop.
> it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
> it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
> most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
> navigate around the screen with nvda.
> but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
> sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
> what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
> with nvda.
> there is also no numlock key.
>
> i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
> the digits are working correct with numlock off.
> but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
> mouse click and a right mouse click.
> but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.
>
> so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
> is there a way to solve this problem?
> i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
> thanks in advance!
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>









Re: what can i do please help

P. Otter
 

hello, yes i've already done, that was the first thing i did!
but when i put numlock on, there the arrow keys on 8 2 4 and 6.
i've nothing to do with it.
what i want is the navigation keys for nvda.
most laptops or some laptops are made while you press the fn key you can use the letter keys on the right hand to navigate with nvda.
but not with my dell laptop.
i'm wondering if there is a little tool that when i press the fn key i can use the letters on the right hand.
if so, i'm realy glad with it!
what they toled about the arrow keys will not work to navigate for nvda, with or without the fn key pressed.
cheers
paul otter
 

Op 29-4-2018 om 21:01 schreef Chris Mullins:

Paul

Have you tried using the numpad with NVDA input help switched on?  It would be interesting to know what keystrokes it is generating.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 29 April 2018 00:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Those aren't screen review commands.  Those are commands to move and read information on a screen such as in a word processing program where a cursor is present.  Such commands are Windows commands and will work regardless of screen-reader being used and regardless of keyboard layout. If a sighted person uses such commands with no screen-reader being used, the sighted person will move the cursor in the same ways, right and left arrow, by character, control right and left arrow, by word., etc. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suzy

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Hi Paul,

If you are using NVDA with the laptop layout on a Dell computer, you can navigate the screen with the arrow keys. I have never used the FN key with letters to do this. In fact, an NVDA modifier is not necessary.
Left or Right Arrows read the screen letter by letter.
Add Control to the left and right arrow keys and read the screen word by word.
Up or Down arrows read the screen line by line.
FN + Left Arrow is Home.
FN + Right Arrow is End.
FN + Up Arrow is Page Up.
FN + Down Arrow is Page Down.
Add Control to the Home or End commands above to move to the top or the bottom of the screen.
And finally, add Shift to the above commands to select text.

I've used these commands on Asus, Toshiba, Dell, and Lenovo laptops.

Each of these computers differ on how to make the Function Keys work without using the FN key. Look on line or read your manual to learn how to do it.

Hope this helps.
Suzy



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

i've done already, but the problem is that i can not navigate around the screen like i do with the numberic key block on my computer.
all the other things are possible i know there are some laptops where you can press the fn key while typing the letters jkl uio and 789 to manipulate the screen.
but it's a pitty, not here unfortunately!
  cheers paul otter


Op 28-4-2018 om 17:25 schreef George McCoy:
> I wound up with a laptop that did the same kind of thing.  I switched
> NVDA to the laptop keyboard layout and, after a short learning period,
> I was able to do everything I did before.  So you might want to try
> out the laptop layout and see what happens.
>
> Best of luck,
> George
>
> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help
>
> hello all,
> i've a problem with my laptop.
> it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
> it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
> most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
> navigate around the screen with nvda.
> but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
> sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
> what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
> with nvda.
> there is also no numlock key.
>
> i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
> the digits are working correct with numlock off.
> but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
> mouse click and a right mouse click.
> but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.
>
> so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
> is there a way to solve this problem?
> i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
> thanks in advance!
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>









Re: the subject of laptop specs

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Unfortunately outside of New Zealand and the US inbuilt 4g modems are rare in laptops so far as i can tell.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 6:16 AM
Subject: [nvda] the subject of laptop specs


Hi.

I have not wayed in on the descussion on laptops of what they should do.

I have always liked to run music on my systems especially when on the road and offline.

A nice unit with either a large internal drive or extras maybe a duel drive is what I like.

However with the way of streaming services I know friends that run everything off their phones and get away with a 256gb or 128gb drive thats not for me I do have externals but its still not for me.

As for running a 32 or 16gb drive on a low end unit.

I have cousins and friends that are students either at school or university.

Just about everything is cloud based either on google docs or an office cloud subscription.

There is no reason or even need if you have the right stuff set for you to ever load anything on your computer bar what you need.

There is a lower side well a down side which is why small units are not for me.

Go offline or loose power or net access and well you have a problem.

I have been there however with the rising of low end units a lot of the near tablets have mobile cell network support out of the box.

My uncle who works in a large company while he does some stuff on his laptop does a lot on the cloud and can't afford to be away from the net.

He has a mobile data card and this works well for him so there are many ways.

I would personally not do that however.




Re: NVDA Confuguration profiles and heading setting in google sheets

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I'm sure I saw a reply about Google docs back in the chain somewhere. Maybe your feed is missing some posts.
I cannot say configuration profiles has caused a slow down here, but then I guess it depends on your machine and what differences there are in the configurations.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu" <erdemyigitoglu@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 8:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Confuguration profiles and heading setting in google sheets


Hello,
I have two questions:
First of all,, for sometime, I have been realizing that my computer is very slow on swiching between programs for example between word and firefox. Today I realized that it is due to different confuguration profiles I use for those programs. When I deleted them, problem was gon. The problem is that I love the confuguration feature of NVDA. Usually I use different rates of speach and document viewing options for different programs. is there any way to customize NVDA for different programs without problem swiching between them?
Secondly, I have asked about setting headings in google sheets fiew days ago. I guess noone knows about it or didn't see the message so I'm asking it second time: we can sett row and collemn headings in excel with ctr+shift+r or c, can we do the same in google sheets?
Best regards


the subject of laptop specs

 

Hi.

I have not wayed in on the descussion on laptops of what they should do.

I have always liked to run music on my systems especially when on the road and offline.

A nice unit with either a large internal drive or extras maybe a duel drive is what I like.

However with the way of streaming services I know friends that run everything off their phones and get away with a 256gb or 128gb drive thats not for me I do have externals but its still not for me.

As for running a 32 or 16gb drive on a low end unit.

I have cousins and friends that are students either at school or university.

Just about everything is cloud based either on google docs or an office cloud subscription.

There is no reason or even need if you have the right stuff set for you to ever load anything on your computer bar what you need.

There is a lower side well a down side which is why small units are not for me.

Go offline or loose power or net access and well you have a problem.

I have been there however with the rising of low end units a lot of the near tablets have mobile cell network support out of the box.

My uncle who works in a large company while he does some stuff on his laptop does a lot on the cloud and can't afford to be away from the net.

He has a mobile data card and this works well for him so there are many ways.

I would personally not do that however.


WinTenApps 18.05.1 hotfix #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 18.05.1 hotfix is now available, resolving a major issue where NVDA may appear to not do anything or play error sounds when you start dictating text (Windows+H) on recent Windows 10 releases. As always, the new stable version (along with updated builds for regular and pilot development snapshots) is just an update check away.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: multilanguage speech one core voices

Rui Fontes
 

In Vocalizer Expressive from Tiflotecnia, the voice language switching is made based in the alphabet...
This is very usefull in situations where the system is in a alphabet non latin, like hebrew, cyrilic and so on and some apps or text ar in english...

There are some people trying to do the same for NVDA itself...

Rui


Às 22:33 de 29/04/2018, Cohn, Jonathan escreveu:

Generally one has to tag the language that is being used and not just switch based on the alphabet being used. In HTML one can define a “lang” attribute for a span or document. So, to have HTML spoken in English the standard process is to include
<span lang=”en”>Some English text</span>
In JAWS it is also possible to define a set of glyphs to be spoken in a non-default language. I don’t know enough about the Dictionary in NVDA to know if that is possible in that screen reader too.
HTH,
Jonathan Cohn
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*From: *<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of amir din <mrdin8877@...>
*Reply-To: *"nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Date: *Friday, April 27, 2018 at 11:00 PM
*To: *"nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] multilanguage speech one core voices
Hi,
I am using nvda with speech one core voices on win10. I have installed several voices for this speech synthesizer, in different languages. I am using Arabic  as my windows default language, but sometimes I wil encounter English words written in a b c d e, so I want to make the speech synthesizer switch to English voice when it detects a b c d e, and switch back to Arabic voice when it encounters Arabic text?
If it is not available on current nvda, I think it should be added.
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Re: multilanguage speech one core voices

Jonathan COHN
 

Generally one has to tag the language that is being used and not just switch based on the alphabet being used. In HTML one can define a “lang” attribute for a span or document. So, to have HTML spoken in English the standard process is to include

<span lang=”en”>Some English text</span>

 

In JAWS it is also possible to define a set of glyphs to be spoken in a non-default language. I don’t know enough about the Dictionary in NVDA to know if that is possible in that screen reader too.

 

HTH,

 

Jonathan Cohn

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of amir din <mrdin8877@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Friday, April 27, 2018 at 11:00 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] multilanguage speech one core voices

 

Hi,

I am using nvda with speech one core voices on win10. I have installed several voices for this speech synthesizer, in different languages. I am using Arabic  as my windows default language, but sometimes I wil encounter English words written in a b c d e, so I want to make the speech synthesizer switch to English voice when it detects a b c d e, and switch back to Arabic voice when it encounters Arabic text?

 

If it is not available on current nvda, I think it should be added.

 

 

 

 

Dihantar dari Mel untuk Windows 10

 

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