On Apr 30, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

I am currently downloading the update. Did a check for updates and it came up.

I am currently downloading the update. Did a check for updates and it came up.

After a redue of my windows I noticed a new problem when I went to my general settings in my preferences and I tried to copy the settings it just kept saying please wait. There was no way to allow it. is because my report dinamic content changes was off? It's the setting that says use nvda on the log on screen requires administrater button. When I pressed enter on it and then alt y thats when I got please wait.

Brian Sackrider

Hi,

Ideally, a link to the user guide might help from Welcome dialog.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard



If it is unlikely, is there some way new users should be alerted to look at
the documentation for such commands? Perhaps some sort of information
should be included in the dialog that comes up when the program is run or
maybe there is a different way. I didn't know about such commands for quite
awhile. I learned how to use the menu in the documentation and I didn't
check farther because I had no reason to think there was anything to look
for. I wonder how many people, such as I, who have a lot of experience with
Windows programs assume that no such commands exist because they expect to
see them somehow shown in the interface.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 10:25 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard



Hi,

A few years ago there was a huge debate on the development channel regarding
how we can do this. But, as of today, it is highly unlikely that it can be
done due to vast paradigm shift that has just occurred on settings dialogs.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard



Every so often, when I look through the NVDA menu, I wonder why accelerator
commands aren't given. these are usually commands such as control and a
character such as a letter or a number. NVDA has lots of these commands,
usually being combinations of control NVDA key and a character such as a
letter or number. The synthesizer dialog, for example, opens with NVDA key
control s. The voice settings dialog opens with control NVDA key v. Why
are none of these commands voiced when moving through the NVDA menu? This
is an important way for those who know enough about Windows basics to know
what they mean to be made aware of such commands or to quickly review them
without the cumbersome need to look in documentation. It also is standard
for menus to voice accelerator commands.



Gene

unfortunately no!
when nummlock is off, there are changes the 7 is home, the 4 is left arow, 1 is end etc!
no difference if fn key is pressed or not.
i realy don't know what to do now.
on the keyboard the letter k keeps k with fn key pressed or not.
cheers
paul otter

When you are using an external USB numpad you have to switch to desktop keyboard in the NVDA keyboard settings. I assume your numpad will then work as expected when numlock is turned off.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Montag, 30. April 2018 15:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

hello, yes i've already done, that was the first thing i did!
but when i put numlock on, there the arrow keys on 8 2 4 and 6.
i've nothing to do with it.
what i want is the navigation keys for nvda.
most laptops or some laptops are made while you press the fn key you can use the letter keys on the right hand to navigate with nvda.
but not with my dell laptop.
i'm wondering if there is a little tool that when i press the fn key i can use the letters on the right hand.
if so, i'm realy glad with it!
what they toled about the arrow keys will not work to navigate for nvda, with or without the fn key pressed.
cheers
paul otter
 

Op 29-4-2018 om 21:01 schreef Chris Mullins:

Paul

Have you tried using the numpad with NVDA input help switched on?  It would be interesting to know what keystrokes it is generating.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 29 April 2018 00:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Those aren't screen review commands.  Those are commands to move and read information on a screen such as in a word processing program where a cursor is present.  Such commands are Windows commands and will work regardless of screen-reader being used and regardless of keyboard layout. If a sighted person uses such commands with no screen-reader being used, the sighted person will move the cursor in the same ways, right and left arrow, by character, control right and left arrow, by word., etc. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suzy

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:32 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Hi Paul,

If you are using NVDA with the laptop layout on a Dell computer, you can navigate the screen with the arrow keys. I have never used the FN key with letters to do this. In fact, an NVDA modifier is not necessary.
Left or Right Arrows read the screen letter by letter.
Add Control to the left and right arrow keys and read the screen word by word.
Up or Down arrows read the screen line by line.
FN + Left Arrow is Home.
FN + Right Arrow is End.
FN + Up Arrow is Page Up.
FN + Down Arrow is Page Down.
Add Control to the Home or End commands above to move to the top or the bottom of the screen.
And finally, add Shift to the above commands to select text.

I've used these commands on Asus, Toshiba, Dell, and Lenovo laptops.

Each of these computers differ on how to make the Function Keys work without using the FN key. Look on line or read your manual to learn how to do it.

Hope this helps.
Suzy



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

i've done already, but the problem is that i can not navigate around the screen like i do with the numberic key block on my computer.
all the other things are possible i know there are some laptops where you can press the fn key while typing the letters jkl uio and 789 to manipulate the screen.
but it's a pitty, not here unfortunately!
  cheers paul otter


Op 28-4-2018 om 17:25 schreef George McCoy:
> I wound up with a laptop that did the same kind of thing.  I switched
> NVDA to the laptop keyboard layout and, after a short learning period,
> I was able to do everything I did before.  So you might want to try
> out the laptop layout and see what happens.
>
> Best of luck,
> George
>
> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help
>
> hello all,
> i've a problem with my laptop.
> it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
> it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
> most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
> navigate around the screen with nvda.
> but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
> sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
> what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
> with nvda.
> there is also no numlock key.
>
> i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
> the digits are working correct with numlock off.
> but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
> mouse click and a right mouse click.
> but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.
>
> so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
> is there a way to solve this problem?
> i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
> thanks in advance!
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>

 

On Apr 30, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

I am currently downloading the update. Did a check for updates and it came up.

You hardly need bookmarks nowadays.  Just start typing in the search bar the name of your bookmark and then arrow down.  It’s much quicker than using bookmarks in any browser.

All the best

Steve

Gene,

This poses an interesting debate. I’ve also changed the subject line to better reflect.

You say you don’t like the Chrome interface. To be very clear/honest, neither did I at first, but the more I’ve been using Chrome, the more I’m growing to swear by it!

I’m just curious what exactly you don’t care for. Is it the fact that things are now mainly laid out in web views instead of multi tab dialogs? If so, that through me for a bit of a loop as well at first until I got used to it, so yeah. That would be a fair statement if so.

Chris.

thank you for that explanation

Hank

Whatever else may have used that or a similar name, F123 is an add on for both Firefox and Chrome.  I haven't used it.  I suspect that oddities encountered are the result of the add on but, without testing, that's just my suspicion.  I don't like the Chrome interface but in terms of working with web pages, I've found browse mode to work just about the same as in firefox and Internet Explorer.  Occasionally, there will be a difference, such as one screen-reader reading different text on a control because it's looking at different text in the control, but in general, I find that browse mode is browse mode. 

 

You can turn the add on offf in Chrome and still leave it installed.  It's been a long time since I've played with this, but if you want to experiment and if someone else doesn't give the procedure, I can look again.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland

Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 6:26 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

 

First, it may help if instead of just saying "weird quirks" if you can tell us what specifically those things are, so we can have a better feel for how to assist.

Second, did I perhaps miss something here? I thought F123 was a really old, and all be it also, very dead last I looked, distro of Linux that was made specifically for the blind. And before anyone gets OT asking me, no, I don't know if the packages included with it would be up to date, nor how far a sudo apt[get update would take you. I don't even know if apt is included. It might use either yum, or pacman. Anyway, that's not for this list though, so I digress. Point is, it's pretty old, but as far as a Chrome extension with that name, I'm curious what this thing does.

Chris.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; blindtech@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

Hello does any one use this chrome add on?
I am noticing some weird quirks and I can't tell if it is chrome or the add on.
thanks
Hank
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Use the laptop layout or buy a numeric keypad?
Have we not had this issue before. its precisely why if I get a new
laptop not only do I want the function keys to be defaulted to
function keys, but I want a keypad as well.
I have an old dell without one and got so  peed off I eventually
plugged in a keyboard.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 8:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help

hello all,
i've a problem with my laptop.
it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
navigate around the screen with nvda.
but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
with nvda.
there is also no numlock key.

i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
the digits are working correct with numlock off.
but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
mouse click and a right mouse click.
but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.

so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
is there a way to solve this problem?
i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
thanks in advance!
paul otter

Well you don't need a screen to have a screen reader.

You need a graphics chip to have a screen reader but weather you need to
have it connected to anything is another thing.

You do need a sound card and a graphics chip else all those desktops I
service I would have toh ave a screen.

Its true if you have to deal with the mouse or graphical software that
doesn't play nice with your graphics to translation text viewing reading
software, then sure.

But you don't need a screen as such.




On 4/28/2018 7:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

No this has been debated before. I think this will rely on Windows
offering such a mode as without the screen how can you have a
screenreader. Its all down to where the curtain is inserted and Windows
now is so locked down that trying to cludge something in from outside is
not really a good thing to try!
I'm sure somebody here might know where this discussion is, as I can
remember it but did not bother as I just don't use a monitor!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Rhodes
To: NVDA Users Group
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 4:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] Screen Curtain Feature


Is there a keyboard shortcut with NVDA to invoke a screen curtain
(blank screen while you are working – for privacy purposes)? Narrator has
a shortcut – Capslock/Shift/F12. I heard yesterday that JAWS has a
similar command – Insert/Spacebar, then PrintScreen. Neither of these
work when I’m using NVDA. Anyone know of a NVDA screen curtain shortcut.
Con’t really want to do it by turning brightness to zero. Thanks.

I tend to shut mine down completely as this lets it cool down as well.

I've seen sleep mode get interrupted before now for reasons best known to
itself. With a ssd you might as well shut it as there is little speed of
booting overhead one way or the other.
 Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk


The question is how to run Check Disk from the command prompt.  The drive is
working.

When you run check disk from the command prompt, if you simply want a
report, then just type chkdsk.  The default is read, no errors are
corrected.  Just type chkdsk and press enter and the procedure will start.

At the end, to review the summary, move aroung the screen using review
commands like numpad 7 8 9.  You should be able to move when you are in
object review, I don't think you can when you are in screen review.

and keep in mind that you are just checking the file system the way you are
running check disk.  You aren't checking disk segments, if that is the
correct word, for physical integrity.  To do that, you need to do a thorough
Check Disk and I don't know if you can do that as a read only option.

If you are using a desktop, and it doesn't get moved when it is running, you
would seldom have to check for physical integrity.  If it's a laptop, and
you move it when it's running or it gets some sort of jolts while it is
running, then you should check for physical integrity more often.  I'm not
talking about digital drives, I'm talking about mechanical drives.

I always put my laptop into sleep mode before moving it.
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk


Unless its changed the whole thing defaults to read only  just like the disc
check in the tools section of the properties does, as you are still in
effect in windows.
 I have to say that you really do need it to run at start up to get it to
repair stuff whatever you do unless you are checking a drive with no links
to windows on it, say the D: drive at which time it normally unmounts and
remounts afterwards as far as I can see.

Or did I misunderstand the issue? If you suspect problems with any drive.
your first port of call needs to be check all cables and plugs to and from
psu and drive to motherboard before you run any repair on the drive  as it
will only make things worse otherwise.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Check Disk


Okay, can you give me a bit more on what I can expect when I do it with
NVDA? I go to cmd, do chkdsk /r, and then what will happen?
> On Apr 25, 2018, at 8:59 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> chkdsk will read the disk in read only mode.
>
> I usually run this to see if there are any errors.
>
> Note on all drives even ssds the main tables are always out of sync.
>
> Don't worry about mft mismatch or mft bitmap space errors per say unless
> they are followed or preceeded with usn journal, lost files, and missing
> chain errors.
>
> For whatever reason at least on the os drives windows seems to run things
> slightly out of sync.
>
> Ofcause this only shows on command line point.
>
> Since a chkdsk /x /f and or /r requires the system to be in access only
> mode there is usually no speech during that time.
>
> Any results can be reviewed in eventlog or chkdsk.log  if you use the /log
> switch then c:\chkdsk.log and then its ok I think.
>
>
>
>
>> On 4/26/2018 12:51 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
>> Does anybody know if there is a safe way to run Chkdsk from the command
>> prompt with NVDA? I'd like to do it but don't want to get stuck not being
>> able to read the data if NVDA doesn't come back on during the recovery
>> phase.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Hi all,


I work in command line window (also known as terminal, prompt, etc) a lot and today my NVDA stopped speaking the output of my commands. Review cursor still works - I can press numpad 7, numpad 9 to read all the lines displayed. But when my program prints something, NVDA doesn't speak this automatically any longer. This just happened today - I suspect my Windows installed an update which broke some compatibility feature.


Is anyone else experiencing this issue? Are there any known workarounds for this?


Thanks

Tony

Hi,

A few years ago there was a huge debate on the development channel regarding how we can do this. But, as of today, it is highly unlikely that it can be done due to vast paradigm shift that has just occurred on settings dialogs.

Cheers,

Joseph