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[nvda-translations] [nvda] What Level of Support Does NVDA Offer for Arabic, Persian, and Urdu?

Adriani Botez
 



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Von: "Cleverson Casarin Uliana" <clcaul@...>
Datum: 1. Mai 2018 um 15:09:35 MESZ
An: nvda-translations@groups.io
Betreff: Aw:⁨ [nvda-translations] [nvda] What Level of Support Does NVDA Offer for Arabic, Persian, and Urdu?⁩
Antwort an: nvda-translations@groups.io

Hello, for Arabic it is fine, as long as you have a synth that supports it, such as Vocalizer. I can't confirm for other languages.

Greetings,
Cleverson




[nvda-translations] [nvda] What Level of Support Does NVDA Offer for Arabic, Persian, and Urdu?

Adriani Botez
 



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:

Von: "Cleverson Casarin Uliana" <clcaul@...>
Datum: 1. Mai 2018 um 15:09:35 MESZ
An: nvda-translations@groups.io
Betreff: Aw:⁨ [nvda-translations] [nvda] What Level of Support Does NVDA Offer for Arabic, Persian, and Urdu?⁩
Antwort an: nvda-translations@groups.io

Hello, for Arabic it is fine, as long as you have a synth that supports it, such as Vocalizer. I can't confirm for other languages.

Greetings,
Cleverson




Re: what can i do please help

Chris Mullins
 

Paul

I googled problems with Dell laptops and numeric keypads and several years ago there were issues.  I noted that fn key usage was also mentioned and there are some bios settings regarding fn usage, so it might be worth checking what settings your particular model has.  Similarly, it mayh be worth checking for updated numeric keypad drivers.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: 1 May 2018 07:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

hello, and that's the case.
numberic 0 will be recognised as nvda key.
but numberic 7 will be recognised as home 1 as end etc.
this is in windows 10
also when i press the fn key makes no difference.
also when i press letter j or k or l etc with fn key pressed keeps j or k or l etc.
it don't want to do what i want!
that's my problem 😀 .
cheers
paul otter
 

Op 30-4-2018 om 20:03 schreef Chris Mullins:

Paul

With NVDA keyboard layout set to “Desktop” , those are the correct keys for when numlock is off.  You should get the number keys when numlock is on.  How does NVDA input help report those keys when numlock is off?  If you press the numpad Home key for example, NVDA input help should  say “Numpad 7 moves the review cursor to the current navigator object and speaks it”.  If it reports Home, End etc then it would appear that the numeric keypad is not being correctly recognised. 

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: 30 April 2018 15:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

unfortunately no!
when nummlock is off, there are changes the 7 is home, the 4 is left arow, 1 is end etc!
no difference if fn key is pressed or not.
i realy don't know what to do now.
on the keyboard the letter k keeps k with fn key pressed or not.
cheers
paul otter


Op 30-4-2018 om 16:23 schreef Ralf Kefferpuetz:

When you are using an external USB numpad you have to switch to desktop keyboard in the NVDA keyboard settings. I assume your numpad will then work as expected when numlock is turned off.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Montag, 30. April 2018 15:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

hello, yes i've already done, that was the first thing i did!
but when i put numlock on, there the arrow keys on 8 2 4 and 6.
i've nothing to do with it.
what i want is the navigation keys for nvda.
most laptops or some laptops are made while you press the fn key you can use the letter keys on the right hand to navigate with nvda.
but not with my dell laptop.
i'm wondering if there is a little tool that when i press the fn key i can use the letters on the right hand.
if so, i'm realy glad with it!
what they toled about the arrow keys will not work to navigate for nvda, with or without the fn key pressed.
cheers
paul otter
 

Op 29-4-2018 om 21:01 schreef Chris Mullins:

Paul

Have you tried using the numpad with NVDA input help switched on?  It would be interesting to know what keystrokes it is generating.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 29 April 2018 00:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Those aren't screen review commands.  Those are commands to move and read information on a screen such as in a word processing program where a cursor is present.  Such commands are Windows commands and will work regardless of screen-reader being used and regardless of keyboard layout. If a sighted person uses such commands with no screen-reader being used, the sighted person will move the cursor in the same ways, right and left arrow, by character, control right and left arrow, by word., etc. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suzy

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Hi Paul,

If you are using NVDA with the laptop layout on a Dell computer, you can navigate the screen with the arrow keys. I have never used the FN key with letters to do this. In fact, an NVDA modifier is not necessary.
Left or Right Arrows read the screen letter by letter.
Add Control to the left and right arrow keys and read the screen word by word.
Up or Down arrows read the screen line by line.
FN + Left Arrow is Home.
FN + Right Arrow is End.
FN + Up Arrow is Page Up.
FN + Down Arrow is Page Down.
Add Control to the Home or End commands above to move to the top or the bottom of the screen.
And finally, add Shift to the above commands to select text.

I've used these commands on Asus, Toshiba, Dell, and Lenovo laptops.

Each of these computers differ on how to make the Function Keys work without using the FN key. Look on line or read your manual to learn how to do it.

Hope this helps.
Suzy



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

i've done already, but the problem is that i can not navigate around the screen like i do with the numberic key block on my computer.
all the other things are possible i know there are some laptops where you can press the fn key while typing the letters jkl uio and 789 to manipulate the screen.
but it's a pitty, not here unfortunately!
  cheers paul otter


Op 28-4-2018 om 17:25 schreef George McCoy:
> I wound up with a laptop that did the same kind of thing.  I switched
> NVDA to the laptop keyboard layout and, after a short learning period,
> I was able to do everything I did before.  So you might want to try
> out the laptop layout and see what happens.
>
> Best of luck,
> George
>
> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help
>
> hello all,
> i've a problem with my laptop.
> it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
> it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
> most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
> navigate around the screen with nvda.
> but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
> sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
> what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
> with nvda.
> there is also no numlock key.
>
> i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
> the digits are working correct with numlock off.
> but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
> mouse click and a right mouse click.
> but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.
>
> so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
> is there a way to solve this problem?
> i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
> thanks in advance!
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>










 

 

 


Re: Problem with Eloquence for windows

Rui Fontes
 

You need to contact with Code Factory to request more keys...

Regards,

Rui Fontes


Às 06:25 de 01/05/2018, Sky Mundell escreveu:

Hello List. Sky here. I have a problem with eloquence for windows.  I upgraded to windows spring update, and it went well, but when I restarted, NVDA came up with SAPI 5 version of Eloquence, and it said, please register this product. When I went to activate the product, I was told that all of my licences had been activated.  When I hit the deactivate button, I got an error that says that your not connected to the internet, even though I am connected to the internet. What can I do? I have a difficult time with one core, and I am familiar with Eloquence because I used it in JAWS and Window-Eyes.  Any help you could give me would be appreciated!  Thanks, Sky.


Re: NVDA from bed

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
 

Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:
Try secure CRT for the best experience. If not, then teraterm or putty.

Or even Cygwin. That is what I use.


Re: dictation bridge help

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Mel,

 

Indeed, I removed that file a long time ago. What is your exact problem once again please?

 

Pranav


Re: NVDA from bed

Pranav Lal
 

Hi John,

Try secure CRT for the best experience. If not, then teraterm or putty.

Pranav


In praise of new control panel

Brian's Mail list account
 

The new format of settings in nvda makes it far faster to change stuff than the old one as then you need to know which dialogue to open to do an adjustment, here they are all there all the time so its faster to find the right one.
I have not thought it through, but I imagine there are good reasons for the dialogues not included, due to their list of substitutions etc, making them tend to clutter up the clean system somewhat if they were included.
Brian

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Re: NVDA from bed

Brian's Mail list account
 

I'm not sure about the control of linux machines, but have you maybe considered a normal desktop with radio keyboard or even a wire linked one. I certainly do this in my bed. One could easily have it within reach of the bed to turn it on or off and also feed it through decent speakers and use it for audio as well. If its a quiet pc, which many now are, then its ideal and less prone to issues than laptops of any power. No problems keeping it cool either.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 8:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA from bed


Hello,

because of problemds with my legs and feet (I'll be 82 in July.) I have to keep my fet elevated most of the time. I have
a hospital bed for that porpose. I'm loking for a small and light lapotop on which I could install NVDA and a ssh
program to access the Linux machines on my network. Which ssh program works best with NVDA? I am deaf-blind, so I will
be using a Focus 14 Braille display. I know
this works through USB. Can NVDA handle a bluetooth connection? The ssh program will be used to access my Linux
maschines. I will use the laptop for accessing my Twitter account with EasyChirp. It will be connected to my router
through wi-fi.

Thanks for any suggestions,
John

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Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost




Re: Tesseract update

Brian's Mail list account
 

This did come up some time back and as I recall the new version is a very big file and totally different to the current one in nvda, and was thought a bit over the top considering the paid for ocrs out there at reasonable costs, if this has changed then I may have missed it.
Of course it could be that somebody could implement the windows ocr in a third party app, but I've never seen this done, so may well be exclusive to Microsoft. Certainly, on the I phone I believes its used in the Microsoft Seeing AI ap.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Diego Ricardo Matos" <diegoricardomatosm4@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tesseract update


Hello guys!
I agree, but sometimes we have to use computers that do not run windows 10
and it would be useful to update the OCR.

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What Level of Support Does NVDA Offer for Arabic, Persian, and Urdu?

Saaqib Mahmuud
 

Hello NVDA Group mates! How are you?

I am a visually impaired person from Pakistan, with an MPhil qualification in mathematics and working as a college-level math teacher.

My question is, what level of support does the NVDA screen reader provide with Urdu, Persian, and Arabic texts?

Is it NVDA reliable enough for reading the Quran character by character, word by word, sentence by sentence, line by line, paragraph by paragraph, and using SayAll, just as it is possible to read through materials in the English language?

Can one read through the poems and ghazals of such Urdu poets as Iqbal and Ghalib with the help of the NVDA?

What additional software is needed, if any, for best results?



Regards.

Sincerely,
Saaqib Mahmood,
Department of Mathematics,
Government Postgraduate College No. 1,
Abbottabad, PAKISTAN
Phone (for mobile & WhatsApp calls): +92-334-541-7958







NVDA from bed

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

because of problemds with my legs and feet (I'll be 82 in July.) I have to keep my fet elevated most of the time. I have
a hospital bed for that porpose. I'm loking for a small and light lapotop on which I could install NVDA and a ssh
program to access the Linux machines on my network. Which ssh program works best with NVDA? I am deaf-blind, so I will
be using a Focus 14 Braille display. I know
this works through USB. Can NVDA handle a bluetooth connection? The ssh program will be used to access my Linux
maschines. I will use the laptop for accessing my Twitter account with EasyChirp. It will be connected to my router
through wi-fi.

Thanks for any suggestions,
John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: what can i do please help

P. Otter
 

hello, and that's the case.
numberic 0 will be recognised as nvda key.
but numberic 7 will be recognised as home 1 as end etc.
this is in windows 10
also when i press the fn key makes no difference.
also when i press letter j or k or l etc with fn key pressed keeps j or k or l etc.
it don't want to do what i want!
that's my problem 😀 .
cheers
paul otter
 


Op 30-4-2018 om 20:03 schreef Chris Mullins:

Paul

With NVDA keyboard layout set to “Desktop” , those are the correct keys for when numlock is off.  You should get the number keys when numlock is on.  How does NVDA input help report those keys when numlock is off?  If you press the numpad Home key for example, NVDA input help should  say “Numpad 7 moves the review cursor to the current navigator object and speaks it”.  If it reports Home, End etc then it would appear that the numeric keypad is not being correctly recognised. 

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: 30 April 2018 15:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

unfortunately no!
when nummlock is off, there are changes the 7 is home, the 4 is left arow, 1 is end etc!
no difference if fn key is pressed or not.
i realy don't know what to do now.
on the keyboard the letter k keeps k with fn key pressed or not.
cheers
paul otter

Op 30-4-2018 om 16:23 schreef Ralf Kefferpuetz:

When you are using an external USB numpad you have to switch to desktop keyboard in the NVDA keyboard settings. I assume your numpad will then work as expected when numlock is turned off.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Montag, 30. April 2018 15:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

hello, yes i've already done, that was the first thing i did!
but when i put numlock on, there the arrow keys on 8 2 4 and 6.
i've nothing to do with it.
what i want is the navigation keys for nvda.
most laptops or some laptops are made while you press the fn key you can use the letter keys on the right hand to navigate with nvda.
but not with my dell laptop.
i'm wondering if there is a little tool that when i press the fn key i can use the letters on the right hand.
if so, i'm realy glad with it!
what they toled about the arrow keys will not work to navigate for nvda, with or without the fn key pressed.
cheers
paul otter
 

Op 29-4-2018 om 21:01 schreef Chris Mullins:

Paul

Have you tried using the numpad with NVDA input help switched on?  It would be interesting to know what keystrokes it is generating.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 29 April 2018 00:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Those aren't screen review commands.  Those are commands to move and read information on a screen such as in a word processing program where a cursor is present.  Such commands are Windows commands and will work regardless of screen-reader being used and regardless of keyboard layout. If a sighted person uses such commands with no screen-reader being used, the sighted person will move the cursor in the same ways, right and left arrow, by character, control right and left arrow, by word., etc. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suzy

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

 

Hi Paul,

If you are using NVDA with the laptop layout on a Dell computer, you can navigate the screen with the arrow keys. I have never used the FN key with letters to do this. In fact, an NVDA modifier is not necessary.
Left or Right Arrows read the screen letter by letter.
Add Control to the left and right arrow keys and read the screen word by word.
Up or Down arrows read the screen line by line.
FN + Left Arrow is Home.
FN + Right Arrow is End.
FN + Up Arrow is Page Up.
FN + Down Arrow is Page Down.
Add Control to the Home or End commands above to move to the top or the bottom of the screen.
And finally, add Shift to the above commands to select text.

I've used these commands on Asus, Toshiba, Dell, and Lenovo laptops.

Each of these computers differ on how to make the Function Keys work without using the FN key. Look on line or read your manual to learn how to do it.

Hope this helps.
Suzy



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what can i do please help

i've done already, but the problem is that i can not navigate around the screen like i do with the numberic key block on my computer.
all the other things are possible i know there are some laptops where you can press the fn key while typing the letters jkl uio and 789 to manipulate the screen.
but it's a pitty, not here unfortunately!
  cheers paul otter


Op 28-4-2018 om 17:25 schreef George McCoy:
> I wound up with a laptop that did the same kind of thing.  I switched
> NVDA to the laptop keyboard layout and, after a short learning period,
> I was able to do everything I did before.  So you might want to try
> out the laptop layout and see what happens.
>
> Best of luck,
> George
>
> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] what can i do please help
>
> hello all,
> i've a problem with my laptop.
> it is a dell inspiron 14Z5423.
> it is very quick, and nvda is installed and works properly.
> most of the time on laptops you can press and hold the fn key to
> navigate around the screen with nvda.
> but not here. the fn key works here only for the F-keys to change
> sound, screen, etc with fn key is pressed.
> what i want is to use j k l, u i o etc to navigate around the screen
> with nvda.
> there is also no numlock key.
>
> i've tryed it with an sweex number pad.
> the digits are working correct with numlock off.
> but when i've pressed numlock on, the only thing i can do is a left
> mouse click and a right mouse click.
> but the digits are not used as nvda navigate keys.
>
> so the laptop is very nice and quick. what can i do now?
> is there a way to solve this problem?
> i'm very glad if there is a solution for me.
> thanks in advance!
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>









 

 



Problem with Eloquence for windows

Sky Mundell
 

Hello List. Sky here. I have a problem with eloquence for windows.  I upgraded to windows spring update, and it went well, but when I restarted, NVDA came up with SAPI 5 version of Eloquence, and it said, please register this product. When I went to activate the product, I was told that all of my licences had been activated.  When I hit the deactivate button, I got an error that says that your not connected to the internet, even though I am connected to the internet. What can I do? I have a difficult time with one core, and I am familiar with Eloquence because I used it in JAWS and Window-Eyes.  Any help you could give me would be appreciated!  Thanks, Sky.


Re: Tesseract update

Diego Ricardo Matos <diegoricardomatosm4@...>
 

Hello guys!
I agree, but sometimes we have to use computers that do not run windows 10 and it would be useful to update the OCR.


Re: Tesseract update

Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
 

Why. I thought the addon would be deprecated in favor of the Windows 10 built in OCR. If you have the addon, disable or uninstall it, and use the same keystroke, and you will have results from the Windows OCR available in a virtual buffer. It works quite a bit better than the addon, and the result of the OCR is better as well.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 10:46 PM, Diego Ricardo Matos <diegoricardomatosm4@...> wrote:
Hello guys!
I was searching for information about the tesseract, the OCR engine
used by the NVDA addon, and it is available updates for it.
I don't know what changes but either way I'm posting the link to the
project page on git ub.
https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract/releases
It may be possible to update the addon?





Tesseract update

Diego Ricardo Matos <diegoricardomatosm4@...>
 

Hello guys!
I was searching for information about the tesseract, the OCR engine
used by the NVDA addon, and it is available updates for it.
I don't know what changes but either way I'm posting the link to the
project page on git ub.
https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract/releases
It may be possible to update the addon?


Re: Win 10 spring update

 

Hi,

Program overview link:

http://accessibleworld.org/content/tek-talk-presents-joseph-lee-talking-about-updates-both-nvda-and-windows-10

You’ll also find a download link from that page as well.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of ely.r@...
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 spring update

 

Joseph,

Your note here mentioned your presentation and several others as “it.” Thought I would find a link, but didn’t. Might you repost the URL? Very interested in your talk.

Thanks,

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 spring update

 

Hi,

There are several, including my own Tek Talk presentation.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 spring update

 

Hope someone does a tutorial on what is new on W10 spring 2018.

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 5:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 spring update

 

Hi, David,

 

I just got home so I didn't get to download it yet.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 spring update

 

Hi Roger and all!

I installed Windows 10 1803 today as well.

It is the most snappy build of Win10 yet for me. I really like what they added in 1803 to the Windows defender. It installed without a hitch, and it works with NVDA.

Take care, everybody, I feel like a kid on Christmas LOL!

Enjoy the 1803 update!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 spring update

 

Well, it's done, installed, and I'm back up and running already!  So

far, so good!

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 4/30/2018 2:39 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:

> I'm downloading 1803 right now.  Didn't think it would show up this

> soon!  Hope it goes smoothly.

> Roger

> On 4/30/2018 1:51 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

>> Its not called spring any more as somebody pointed out its only

>> spring in the northern hemisphere, so its April 18 update now...:-)

>> 

>> Brian

>> 

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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>

>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 6:16 PM

>> Subject: [nvda] Win 10 spring update

>> 

>> 

>>> I am currently downloading the update. Did a check for updates and

>>> it came up.

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Re: Win 10 spring update

ely.r@...
 

Joseph,

Your note here mentioned your presentation and several others as “it.” Thought I would find a link, but didn’t. Might you repost the URL? Very interested in your talk.

Thanks,

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 spring update

 

Hi,

There are several, including my own Tek Talk presentation.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 spring update

 

Hope someone does a tutorial on what is new on W10 spring 2018.

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 5:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 spring update

 

Hi, David,

 

I just got home so I didn't get to download it yet.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 spring update

 

Hi Roger and all!

I installed Windows 10 1803 today as well.

It is the most snappy build of Win10 yet for me. I really like what they added in 1803 to the Windows defender. It installed without a hitch, and it works with NVDA.

Take care, everybody, I feel like a kid on Christmas LOL!

Enjoy the 1803 update!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 spring update

 

Well, it's done, installed, and I'm back up and running already!  So

far, so good!

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 4/30/2018 2:39 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:

> I'm downloading 1803 right now.  Didn't think it would show up this

> soon!  Hope it goes smoothly.

> Roger

> On 4/30/2018 1:51 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

>> Its not called spring any more as somebody pointed out its only

>> spring in the northern hemisphere, so its April 18 update now...:-)

>> 

>> Brian

>> 

>> bglists@...

>> Sent via blueyonder.

>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>> in the display name field.

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>

>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 6:16 PM

>> Subject: [nvda] Win 10 spring update

>> 

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>>> it came up.

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Re: An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

Gene
 

That isn't the purpose of such commands.  Keys that use control and other characters are intended to be used in the main program Window.  Control o for open, control s, for save, control f for find are all accelerator keys.  they aren't technically short cut keys.  Shortcut  keys work in menus.  So alt to open the menu and then f is a short cut key to open the file menu.  Alt f then a is a sequence of short cut keys after alt.  F opens the file menu and a opens save as in the file menu.  Accelerator keys don't use the menus at all.  They do something from in the main program Window, such as control n opening a new message in an e-mnail program.
 
The point of having accelerator commands announced when you move through a menu is so that you can know that they exist by moving through the menu.  I haven't used the new interface but if it is using dialogs instead of menus now, I don't know if accelerator commands can be announced when you move through a dialog.  One of these days, when I get a new computer, I'll look at changes in NVDA that are recent.  But I don't want to install service pack 1 on my Windows 7 machine.  There is one program that, though I almost never use it, doesn't work with service pack 1 and I don't want to lose access to it.  I almost never use my Windows 7 machine online and it meets my needs well without upgrading.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard

Even in the new interface, I'm not against having it say something like "Keyboard 4 of 11, NVDA+control+k".  It's not necessarily the only way of getting to that page of the settings in future, but one issue currently is that if you have the new settings dialog open, and press NVDA+control+k, it will give an error because you already have a settings dialog open.  I would like to see it able to jump over to the new category without an error in this scenario and I think we would need to implement that before displaying the shortcut key more prominently.

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 4:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
I think i suggested this way back when we used to use Trac, but nobody thought it a good idea.
also not sure why it would make any difference how the property sheets were shown, you would simply go to a different tab by default with the command. I'm assuming that when in the  property sheet that controls many others, you would have a short cut put in as part of the text, unless my earlier comment about redefinition was more valid now.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard


Hi,

Ideally, a link to the user guide might help from Welcome dialog.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard



If it is unlikely, is there some way new users should be alerted to look at
the documentation for such commands?  Perhaps some sort of information
should be included in the dialog that comes up when the program is run or
maybe there is a different way.  I didn't know about such commands for quite
awhile.  I learned how to use the menu in the documentation and I didn't
check farther because I had no reason to think there was anything to look
for.  I wonder how many people, such as I, who have a lot of experience with
Windows programs assume that no such commands exist because they expect to
see them somehow shown in the interface.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 10:25 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard



Hi,

A few years ago there was a huge debate on the development channel regarding
how we can do this. But, as of today, it is highly unlikely that it can be
done due to vast paradigm shift that has just occurred on settings dialogs.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] An omission in the NVDA interface and it's not standard



Every so often, when I look through the NVDA menu, I wonder why accelerator
commands aren't given.  these are usually commands such as control and a
character such as a letter or a number.  NVDA has lots of these commands,
usually being combinations of control NVDA key and a character such as a
letter or number.  The synthesizer dialog, for example, opens with NVDA key
control s.  The voice settings dialog opens with control NVDA key v.  Why
are none of these commands voiced when moving through the NVDA menu?  This
is an important way for those who know enough about Windows basics to know
what they mean to be made aware of such commands or to quickly review them
without the cumbersome need to look in documentation.  It also is standard
for menus to voice accelerator commands.



Gene











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