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Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

Ervin, Glenn
 

I don’t know about Chrome, but F5 does skip the ad in IE, but you need to wait until you hear the message:

This video ad can be skipped

If you press F5 before that, you will get a new ad.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

F5 isn't intended for skipping ads.  It refreshes any page.  It may be that this may cause an ad to be skipped but I would think it would usually just cause it to start playing over or cause a different advertisement to be played instead.  Youtube allows you to skip some ads with a specific command Youtube assigns for this purpose.  There is no universal skip ads command.

 

Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

Hi, David,

 

How do you skip a video add when one is playing in chrome? I tried f-5 but it didn't work. Other than that, I do like chrome.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

It sure is!

Just open the extensions page, and type just read in the search and enter on the first one in the list of choices. It works as well as the one for Firefox!

David Moore

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From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?

El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

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From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

 

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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

 

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian

 

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Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

 

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

 

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

 

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

 

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

 

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

 

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

 

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

 

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

 

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

 

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

 

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

 

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

 

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

 

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

 

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

 

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hello All,

I was just trying out NVDA with the latest version of CCleaner free and seem to have encountered an accessibility issue that may be the result of operator error.

The "large buttons" that control which major function you're under can be reached by tabbing or up/down arrowing, and if you hit spacebar on any one of them its control buttons come up.  What is odd is that you still end up either tabbing or arrowing past the other major control buttons before you hit the "function control buttons" for the major function you've activated.

I do have problems reaching the individual checkboxes under the Options (major), Monitoring (minor) function.  It's odd because when I activate the Monitoring button, and if I have the NVDA Focus Highlight add-on running, there is clearly a quick scan down the list of controls, which are mostly checkboxes, but you cannot seem to come to rest on any of them to access them.

Is there a way to get oneself over into the "checkbox area" (for lack of a better term) of this function in order to be able to deal with the checkboxes.  Since mouse tracking is on by default I know that these exist as far as NVDA is concerned as when I hover over them I get appropriate feedback, I just can't seem to reach them via the keyboard, which would be essential.

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Re: New windows update failed please help

juan gonzalez <jgonzalezh614@...>
 

Glad to hear it. Like I stated before and like others have stated, get yourself some of these tools that can help you in the future from having this issue.

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Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

Gene
 

What is shown on screen, you should be able to copy to the clipboard and paste into Notepad.  Select all, copy to the clipboard, then pasting into Notepad should provide what the feature or add on is displaying.  But I don't know if it would speed up your work as much as you think it would or not.  My question is, not having used this feature in Firefox or add on in Chrome much is how often a mistake is made.  For example, how often is text in an article omitted wrongly because it’s a link.  The system might work well enough so not much checking is needed but that would have to be determined.  And the corolary, how often is text left in the article that shouldn't be there?
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

As I understand it it tries to read the plain text without all the like us
here or all the other  things you are not interested in if you are just
reading as apposed to  examining the site for links and other stuff.
 Now if that could be expanded to grab it as text so one could edit it in
say notepad, that would speed up my Talking Newspaper work very much.
 Brian

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From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it
muchmore now


> What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?
> El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:
>>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half
>> years.
>>
>> I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.
>>
>> If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and
>> take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.
>>
>> I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still
>> finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.
>>
>> Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.
>>
>> CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now,
>> CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can
>> arrange them in different folders and back them up.
>>
>> Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for
>> a lot other than just simple browsing.
>>
>> Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting
>> used to Chrome!
>>
>> David Moore
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>> *From: *juan gonzalez <mailto:jgonzalezh614@...>
>> *Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I
>> like it muchmore now
>>
>> I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
>> Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM
>>
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like
>> it much more now
>>
>> Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with
>> current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a
>> page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old
>> version due to navigational sounds.
>>
>> Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a
>> new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that
>> some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you
>> so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.
>>
>> On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a
>> version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed,
>> my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not
>> single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and
>> firefox are similar in page loading times.
>>
>> Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to
>> see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you
>> can come back.
>>
>> To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are,
>> in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their
>> business.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>>
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>
>> in the display name field.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
>>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM
>>
>> Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it
>> much more now
>>
>> I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much
>> stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed
>> my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox
>> continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider
>> Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for
>> uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only
>> address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment
>> on other aspects I haven't compared.
>>
>> This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of
>> the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.
>>
>> If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may
>> still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various
>> considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may
>> want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.
>>
>> The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it
>> loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if
>> the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable
>> difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast
>> machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or
>> eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there
>> would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was
>> slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.
>>
>> I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running
>> Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is
>> faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows
>> 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP
>> machine.
>>
>> I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I
>> say it's better for general browsing.
>>
>> The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.
>> It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want
>> a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at
>> learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at
>> least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by
>> using material.
>>
>> The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface
>> are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and
>> history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is,
>> hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are
>> also items that open like web pages such as settings.
>>
>> I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
>>
>> But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings
>> interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
>>
>> It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work
>> as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't
>> do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had
>> to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have
>> had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly
>> calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.
>>
>> I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse
>> mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if
>> that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was
>> necessary.
>>
>> There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.
>>
>> One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book
>> marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox
>> because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be
>> inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow
>> that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less
>> because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works
>> well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it
>> more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well
>> from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address
>> bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york
>> times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through
>> results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine
>> but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.
>> Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the
>> first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little
>> and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I
>> consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature
>> may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.
>>
>> If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them
>> a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.
>> and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and
>> continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine
>> questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster,
>> but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you
>> haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.
>>
>> Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers
>> because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is
>> the JAWS name for the same thing.
>>
>> So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using
>> some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in
>> Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed
>> on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it
>> takes almost no time to execute control l.
>>
>> I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments
>> useful.
>>
>> If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser,
>> they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't
>> know how Edge compares.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>
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Re: New windows update failed please help

Caleb Neyenhuis
 

Sorry i typed that calebneyenhuis@... wrong it wasn’t talkinmng the progress


Re: New windows update failed please help

Caleb Neyenhuis
 

Hi all
Just to let you know IT is fixing my computer
They backed up all my stuff and now they are reinstalling windows
They will put all my stuff back on it


Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

Brian's Mail list account
 

I don't agree here, but won't argue as everyone's way of working is different.
Brian

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No it does not. I don't find a need for sounds in any browser. Just use comen sense. If you cannot read the page it is not loaded all the way.



On May 6, 2018, at 7:27 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.
To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now


I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful. If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

Gene



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Maybe its just a cock up then. Might be sorted later on.
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I've actually tried to just read extension. It does not work over here. It
still looks the same and the article still look like a mess. Maybe this
thing does not work on Mac anymore? Also, some extension did get pulled as
Google change their criteria. The developers actually didn't realize the
extension had gotten pulled until I emailed them and let them know. For
anyone's info this is the f123 extension.


On May 6, 2018 4:53:47 PM "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@...> wrote:

What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?
El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half
years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and
take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still
finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now,
CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can
arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for
a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting
used to Chrome!

David Moore

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like it muchmore now

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

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it much more now

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with
current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a
page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old
version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a
new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that
some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you
so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a
version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed,
my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not
single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and
firefox are similar in page loading times.

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to
see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you
can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are,
in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their
business.

Brian

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Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it
much more now

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much
stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed
my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox
continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider
Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for
uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only
address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment
on other aspects I haven't compared.

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of
the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may
still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various
considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may
want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it
loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if
the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable
difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast
machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or
eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there
would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was
slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running
Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is
faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows
7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP
machine.

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I
say it's better for general browsing.

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.
It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want
a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at
learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at
least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by
using material.

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface
are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and
history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is,
hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are
also items that open like web pages such as settings.

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings
interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work
as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't
do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had
to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have
had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly
calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse
mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if
that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was
necessary.

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book
marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox
because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be
inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow
that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less
because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works
well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it
more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well
from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address
bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york
times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through
results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine
but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.
Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the
first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little
and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I
consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature
may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them
a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.
and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and
continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine
questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster,
but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you
haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers
because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is
the JAWS name for the same thing.

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using
some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in
Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed
on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it
takes almost no time to execute control l.

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments
useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser,
they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't
know how Edge compares.

Gene

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As I understand it it tries to read the plain text without all the like us here or all the other things you are not interested in if you are just reading as apposed to examining the site for links and other stuff.
Now if that could be expanded to grab it as text so one could edit it in say notepad, that would speed up my Talking Newspaper work very much.
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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now


What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?
El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half
years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and
take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still
finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now,
CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can
arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for
a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting
used to Chrome!

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *juan gonzalez <mailto:jgonzalezh614@...>
*Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I
like it muchmore now

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

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Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM

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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like
it much more now

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with
current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a
page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old
version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a
new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that
some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you
so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a
version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed,
my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not
single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and
firefox are similar in page loading times.

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to
see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you
can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are,
in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their
business.

Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it
much more now

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much
stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed
my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox
continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider
Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for
uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only
address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment
on other aspects I haven't compared.

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of
the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may
still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various
considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may
want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it
loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if
the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable
difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast
machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or
eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there
would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was
slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running
Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is
faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows
7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP
machine.

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I
say it's better for general browsing.

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.
It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want
a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at
learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at
least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by
using material.

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface
are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and
history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is,
hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are
also items that open like web pages such as settings.

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings
interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work
as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't
do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had
to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have
had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly
calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse
mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if
that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was
necessary.

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book
marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox
because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be
inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow
that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less
because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works
well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it
more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well
from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address
bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york
times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through
results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine
but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.
Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the
first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little
and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I
consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature
may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them
a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.
and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and
continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine
questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster,
but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you
haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers
because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is
the JAWS name for the same thing.

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using
some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in
Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed
on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it
takes almost no time to execute control l.

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments
useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser,
they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't
know how Edge compares.

Gene

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Could it be an idea to have an autoposter mail list in which certain files are auto posted every month or so to that list?

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Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now


Hi David,



Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details.



Thanks,

Monte



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Sent: May-06-18 4:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now



Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10



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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
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I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.



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Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.



Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian



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Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now





I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.



This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.



If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.



The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.



I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.



I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.



The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.



The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.



I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.



I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.



There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.



One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.



If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.



Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.



So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.



I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.



Gene


Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

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If there is one for other sounds that would be good. As you may be aware, sites like Amazon among others constantly refresh bits of their pages, and without the little clicks you might not realise this is going on. also on page redirects, if you have any alerts off, then you can wonder what the heck is going on.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "George McCoy" <slr1bpz@...>
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Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now


The one I use is called Download notifier. Here's how to get it.
First, you must open extensions in Chrome. You can enter chrome://extensions in the address bar that you are placed in when you start chrome or you can press alt plus f, then l for more tools then e for extensions.
You should land in the search extensions edit box. If you don't land there, tab to the search box.
type download notifier in the search box and press enter.
You should then be taken to the download notifier page where you can install the extension.
It's easier than it sounds in my explanation.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 11:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

Wow how can I get them, and what is it called the one for when downloads
are complete in Chrome?


El 06/05/2018 a las 10:59 a.m., George McCoy escribió:
There are Chrome extensions, one of which plays a sound when downloasds are finished and one that plays sounds for various events that can be configured.

George

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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current
firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is
refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to
navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new
browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites
now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have
things like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45,
as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that
the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is
also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page
loading times.

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see
the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come
back.
To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in
effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much
more now


I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger
liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and,
unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to
implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be
superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as
streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general
browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I
haven't compared.

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the
interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still
not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various
considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to
consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads
pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the
difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I
hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared
them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had
expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable
difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference
that amounted to anything.

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7
since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is
a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know
what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say
it's better for general browsing.

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It
isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a
tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by
exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in
depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are
that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and
there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and
press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open
like web pages such as settings.

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface
doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as
they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in
browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go
into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the
button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse
mode in that interface, at least at times.

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to
activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the
case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks
interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the
search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very
recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be
more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with
it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm
hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it
works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If
you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to
find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow
through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine
but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try
reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first
result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not
sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an
important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just
as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a
lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and
then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and
continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine
questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but
the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't
compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers
because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the
JAWS name for the same thing.

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web
sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I
believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address
bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time
to execute control l.

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they
may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge
compares.

Gene






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Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

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Its probably a pun, Google have a track record for groan inducing puns in the past.
I cannot recall a specific now but when they often add stuff to their search site due to a birthday or somesuch, they roll out corny jokes all the time.
Brian

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From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
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Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now


Hi!
I use Chrome as my primary and pretty much only browser, and I'm also very
satisfied with its accessibility in recent versions. Here's a little known
paradox: The word "chrome," in browser design, refers to the extra stuff a
browser puts around the actual website. Minimalistic as it is, Chrome is
currently the most chromeless browser I know. That's why I think it's so
beautiful.
Best,
Felix

2018-05-06 18:36 GMT+02:00 Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...>:

Wow how can I get them, and what is it called the one for when downloads
are complete in Chrome?



El 06/05/2018 a las 10:59 a.m., George McCoy escribió:

There are Chrome extensions, one of which plays a sound when downloasds
are finished and one that plays sounds for various events that can be
configured.

George

-----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it
much more now

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current
firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is
refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due
to
navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new
browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some
sites
now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you
have
things like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version
45,
as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that
the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This
is
also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page
loading times.

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see
the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come
back.
To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in
effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much
more now


I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger
liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and,
unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to
implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be
superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as
streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general
browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I
haven't compared.

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the
interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still
not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various
considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want
to
consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads
pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the
difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I
hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I
compared
them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had
expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable
difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a
difference
that amounted to anything.

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running
Windows 7
since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There
is
a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't
know
what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say
it's better for general browsing.

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It
isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a
tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by
exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in
depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are
that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history
and
there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and
press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open
like web pages such as settings.

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings
interface
doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as
they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so
in
browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually
go
into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the
button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with
browse
mode in that interface, at least at times.

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode
to
activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the
case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks
interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the
search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very
recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be
more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with
it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm
hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well
it
works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.
If
you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to
find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow
through results. Some of them will be search results using a search
engine
but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.
Try
reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first
result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not
sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an
important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks
just
as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a
lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and
then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and
continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine
questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but
the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't
compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers
because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the
JAWS name for the same thing.

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some
web
sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I
believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address
bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time
to execute control l.

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments
useful.
If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser,
they
may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how
Edge
compares.

Gene







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Re: Patreon accessibility legal action.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Done! And linked to some evidence of my own. For now though I've switched to pod pledge, a more accessible alternative.

Link  is in my sig

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website: http://tffppodcast.com
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go to http://tffppodcast.com/premium
and for hosting options go to http://tffppodcast.com/hosting
to subscribe to the feed click here:
And for the listen page go here: 

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here:

On May 5, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:

Before I begin, I provide a link to what Patreon is below.


Hi all. This is where you all come in! and, yes, share her email far and wide with other Patreon users and creators who want to help build a case.

The phone call with Lainy went well. The hardest part was trying to explain to her what Patreon is and what it does, but I think she gets it now.

In short, we need to build a stronger case. We have a case, but we need a stronger one. Share this name and email widely. If creators would like to try patreon but can't because it is inaccessible with a screen reader, they hear, tell her that too. If you use it just as a user and not a creator making money, let her know too. If you are a creator, write to the below with any accessibility issues. Obviously, detail what screen reader you are using. Her email is below.


First, this link explains what Patreon is, for both creators and users.


info@...



Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Have a look under bookmarks then import bookmarks section.


When you go into it there is a few browsers you can chose from one of them been internet exploder and then there are things you can check to import as well into the chrome browser. I did not go through the process but believe it will import all you select into chrome.


The only  things i noticed was when you went into it you might have to either tab or change mode to see the rest on that page. maybe my computer was just slow then.


Gene nz



On 5/7/2018 1:28 PM, David Tanner wrote:

Ok, quick question for those of you using Chrome.  Do any of you know of an easy way to move favorites from Internet Explorer other than manually typing them into Chrome.  I have not found any kind of automated way to move favorites from Internet Explorer 11 to the latest Chrome browser. 

 

Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks ahead of time for your assistance.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:06 PM
To: nvda list list <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

No it does not. I don't find a need for sounds in any browser. Just use comen sense. If you cannot read the page it is not loaded all the way.

 

 



On May 6, 2018, at 7:27 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

 

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.
To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now


I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful. If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

Gene



 



Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

Gene
 

F5 isn't intended for skipping ads.  It refreshes any page.  It may be that this may cause an ad to be skipped but I would think it would usually just cause it to start playing over or cause a different advertisement to be played instead.  Youtube allows you to skip some ads with a specific command Youtube assigns for this purpose.  There is no universal skip ads command.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

Hi, David,

 

How do you skip a video add when one is playing in chrome? I tried f-5 but it didn't work. Other than that, I do like chrome.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

It sure is!

Just open the extensions page, and type just read in the search and enter on the first one in the list of choices. It works as well as the one for Firefox!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?

El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

 

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Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM

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Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

 

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian

 

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Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

 

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

 

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

 

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

 

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

 

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

 

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

 

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

 

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

 

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

 

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

 

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

 

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

 

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

 

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

 

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

 

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

David Tanner
 

Ok, quick question for those of you using Chrome.  Do any of you know of an easy way to move favorites from Internet Explorer other than manually typing them into Chrome.  I have not found any kind of automated way to move favorites from Internet Explorer 11 to the latest Chrome browser. 

 

Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks ahead of time for your assistance.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:06 PM
To: nvda list list <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

No it does not. I don't find a need for sounds in any browser. Just use comen sense. If you cannot read the page it is not loaded all the way.

 

 



On May 6, 2018, at 7:27 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

 

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.
To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now


I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful. If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

Gene



 


Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, David,

 

How do you skip a video add when one is playing in chrome? I tried f-5 but it didn't work. Other than that, I do like chrome.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

It sure is!

Just open the extensions page, and type just read in the search and enter on the first one in the list of choices. It works as well as the one for Firefox!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?

El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

 

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian

 

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

 

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

 

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

 

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

 

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

 

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

 

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

 

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

 

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

 

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

 

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

 

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

 

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

 

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

 

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

 

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

 

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- 
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird

 


Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

David Moore
 

It sure is!

Just open the extensions page, and type just read in the search and enter on the first one in the list of choices. It works as well as the one for Firefox!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?

El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

 

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian

 

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

 

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

 

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

 

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

 

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

 

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

 

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

 

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

 

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

 

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

 

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

 

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

 

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

 

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

 

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

 

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

 

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

Sarah k Alawami
 

I've actually tried to just read extension. It does not work over here. It still looks the same and the article still look like a mess. Maybe this thing does not work on Mac anymore? Also, some extension did get pulled as Google change their criteria. The developers actually didn't realize the extension had gotten pulled until I emailed them and let them know. For anyone's info this is the f123 extension.

On May 6, 2018 4:53:47 PM "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@...> wrote:

What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?
El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

 

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Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

 

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian

 

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

 

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

 

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

 

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

 

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

 

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

 

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

 

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

 

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

 

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

 

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

 

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

 

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

 

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

 

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

 

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

 

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

Gerardo Corripio
 

What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?
El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

 

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

 

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

 

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

 

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

 

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

 

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

 

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

 

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

 

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

 

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

 

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

 

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

 

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

 

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

 

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

 

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

 

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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